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Mujati tug-o-war STILL not settled.


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Lions, Stormers, Super 14 on 14 Feb 2008 at 23:17

The Stormers may be docked log points if they play tighthead prop Brian Mujati in the Super 14 rugby match against the Bulls in Cape Town on Saturday.

Hennie Brandt reports in Beeld that the Golden Lions Rugby Union and the University of Johannesburg have not signed documents to release Mujati to play for the Stormers and Western Province.

The former Zimbabwean made his debut for the Lions while he was a student at the university. His signed a contract with the Golden Lions (GLRU), with the end of October this year as the expiry date.

Last year, Western Province officials allegedly negotiated with Mujati behind the back of the Golden Lions, who then lodged an objection with SA Rugby.

The GLRU named Stormers coach Rassie Erasmus and Mujati’s agent, Jason Smith, in their objection.

The Golden Lions maintain that Mujati had a valid contract with them. However, Smith said it was invalid because the player did not have a work permit to turn out for the Lions in Currie Cup and Super 14 matches.

Manie Reynecke, chief executive of the Golden Lions, said on Thursday he had received nothing in writing from Western Province concerning Mujati.

Arbitrator appointed

“We have not signed a release for him to play for the Stormers. The same applies at his club, where outstanding study and accommodation fees still have to be paid

“He may not play for the Stormers against the Bulls. There could be complications if he does before we and his club have signed release documents,” Reynecke said.

SA Rugby has appointed a member of its judicial committee, Adv Jannie Lubbe, as arbitrator. He is expected to make a ruling.

Even if Lubbe finds that Mujati’s contract with Golden Lions is not binding it is unlikely that the prop will be permitted to play against the Bulls.

The University of Johannesburg won’t sign his release until all fees have been paid, and only then will the Golden Lions release him.

The Lions received some good news this week when it was announced that lock forward Willem Stoltz would be available to play Super 14 rugby.

Stoltz recently returned from France after being released from his contract with Agen.

It was initially thought he would be available only for Currie Cup rugby because the Lions had signed other lock forwards for the Super 14 and there were budgetary constraints.

However, the Lions and the tough forward have reached an agreement whereby he will be paid match fees for playing Super 14 rugby.

Stoltz has started training with the Lions squad, but was not included in the 22 for the match against the Cheetahs in Bloemfontein on Saturday.



60 Comments

  • I was of the impression this had already been resolved.

    If Mujati owes the varsity Money take him to court and get it out of him.

    Why mess with the guys career?

    The lions are a bunch of cry babies in this regard

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.02.08 23:20:49 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • The good news in this article is that the Lions Have Willem Stoltz back.

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.02.08 23:24:37 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Pusilanimous, is what this is. Willing buyer, wiling seller. Mujati wants to be in Cape Town. Let him play there.

    Watch the Bulls bleat about Mujati after he kills Steenkamp in the scrums en route to a Stormers victory ;)

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.02.08 23:51:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • I am sure I recall something about SARU saying there was nothing wrong with this.

    Didn’t the Lions already call for the Stormers to have points taken away at the end of the CC or something?

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.02.08 23:55:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The University of Johannesburg won’t sign his release until all fees have been paid, and only then will the Golden Lions release him.

    Surely a cheque for an advance of a month’s salary will sort this out?

  • Comment 5, posted at 15.02.08 00:10:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Surely the Stormers should tell Mujati it is his Bill, he must get it paid if he wants to play for them.

  • Comment 6, posted at 15.02.08 00:16:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Oh for the love of the feckin Bulls….I’ll pay Mujati’s outstanding fukkin fees.

  • Comment 7, posted at 15.02.08 07:06:04 by ruck Reply

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  • :lol: ruck

    Were the Lions not guilty of negotiating with the Rose brothers while they were still on WP’s books?

    Hypocritical if you ask me.

  • Comment 8, posted at 15.02.08 07:22:30 by wpw Reply
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  • Why the hell is the Sharks on top of the S14 log?

    Shouldn’t it be in alphabetical order.

    I vote we release Robdylan from his duties. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 15.02.08 07:24:08 by wpw Reply
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  • Goodmornining everybody,

    wpw, :lol:

  • Comment 10, posted at 15.02.08 07:38:09 by Charlie Reply

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  • KSA – I heard there was more to all of this. Mujati had a study permit which allowed him to “work” – but when he stopped studying, that work permit became null and void. But he continued to “work” and as such could quite legitimately have been deported. He also went walkabout at one stage, so for once I am on the side of the Union and not the player. Ditto with Solly who has probably ruined the best opportunity anyone in the country could wish for by being a stupid frikkin doos!

  • Comment 11, posted at 15.02.08 07:53:42 by hellbent Reply

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  • Howzit Charlie?

    Looking forward to the rugby this weekend.

    Can’t wait for tomorrow’s game against the Bulls.

  • Comment 12, posted at 15.02.08 08:02:47 by wpw Reply
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  • wpw,

    Jip, quite excited, slaan somme bollemakiesie agter die PC… :mrgreen:

    Sharks play 2nite, so you have to wait just a bit longer… :wink:

  • Comment 13, posted at 15.02.08 08:17:07 by Charlie Reply

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  • HB.

    Don’t get me wrong, Mujati should be the responsible one here. That is why I am saying he should pay up and not have it paid for him, but why are the Lions kicking up a fuss? They should be letting UJ do the talking IMO.

  • Comment 14, posted at 15.02.08 08:20:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • GO SHARKS !!! >-^–>

  • Comment 15, posted at 15.02.08 08:20:57 by Charlie Reply

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  • :mrgreen: :neutral: :twisted: :arrow: :shock: :smile: :???: :cool: :evil: :grin: :idea: :oops: :razz: :roll: :wink: :cry: :eek: :lol: :mad: :sad: :!: :?:

  • Comment 16, posted at 15.02.08 08:28:04 by Charlie Reply

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  • :mrgreen: G’ Morning people!!

    ROB – you beaut! Sharks on top? And thats where they gonna stay!

    Man – I am SUPER (14) excited to get this turnament on a ROLL!!!!

  • Comment 17, posted at 15.02.08 08:28:17 by Ice Reply
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  • I prefer sausages on my roll.

  • Comment 18, posted at 15.02.08 08:31:43 by hellbent Reply

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  • :lol:

  • Comment 19, posted at 15.02.08 08:32:35 by Ice Reply
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  • He better bleddy well be playing…

  • Comment 20, posted at 15.02.08 08:33:26 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Who Bryce? :?:

  • Comment 21, posted at 15.02.08 08:35:40 by Ice Reply
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  • Howzit Bryce?

    Who’s that on the photo?

    Dick Muir???

  • Comment 22, posted at 15.02.08 08:36:52 by wpw Reply
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  • Ice

    Freddy the Gay Icon. :roll:

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.02.08 08:37:35 by wpw Reply
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  • Shyte

    Wrong thread. :oops:

    Mujati!!!

    Bryce apparently loathes the Bulle.

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.02.08 08:39:46 by wpw Reply
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  • wpw

    That MUST be Dick Muir, can’t you see the scar on the nose? :wink:

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.02.08 08:42:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Are you homophobic? :twisted:

    The fact of the matter is: Even if the gay community find him an Icon – does not mean he is gay, now does it? He’s and attractive man – may it be for woman or men…

    I bet The Lesbain community find me attractive, but I am not gay… :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.02.08 08:43:18 by Ice Reply
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  • Ice

    WPW is from CT he is not homophobic he is jealous. :grin:

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.02.08 08:48:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I bet The Lesbain community find me attractive, but I am not gay… :lol:
    15.02.08 08:43:18 – Ice

    You are quite right; us lesbians do find you attractive.

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.02.08 08:53:17 by Big Fish Reply
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  • :shock: :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.02.08 08:56:36 by Charlie Reply

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  • bryce,

    AJ Venter in the pic… :lol:

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.02.08 08:57:33 by Charlie Reply

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  • :razz: Thanks Big Fish!!! :wink:

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.02.08 09:01:48 by Ice Reply
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  • Ice

    Clearly you dont know me that well yet.

    I was taking the ‘wee wee’ :cool: .

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.02.08 09:06:12 by wpw Reply
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  • :twisted: And you dont know me…I am pulling your wee wee :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.02.08 09:11:03 by Ice Reply
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  • Valentine’s is over, pulling the wee wee should have ended at midnight last night thank you very much!

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.02.08 09:13:40 by hellbent Reply

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  • :shock: :shock: :shock:

    Holy cow!!!!

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.02.08 09:14:14 by wpw Reply
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  • HB :lol:

  • Comment 36, posted at 15.02.08 09:15:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • 15.02.08 09:11:03 – Ice

    I dont know if its me that has the dirty mind or you… :lol:

    But “wee” would be the correct word for wpw in these circumstances… :razz:

  • Comment 37, posted at 15.02.08 09:16:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Ice that is the most action wpw has had in 6 months!

  • Comment 38, posted at 15.02.08 09:17:59 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • :razz: :twisted:

    I enjoy playing with words…and if it turns out twisted – the better! :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 15.02.08 09:18:22 by Ice Reply
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  • Takes a woman to bring filth to a good rugby site :twisted:

  • Comment 40, posted at 15.02.08 09:18:37 by hellbent Reply

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  • Playing with word Ice?

    You seem rather adept.

  • Comment 41, posted at 15.02.08 09:20:23 by Big Fish Reply
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  • :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

    Steady one guys, Kette is 1000miles away from me i can’t do anything if you get me all excited. :roll:

  • Comment 42, posted at 15.02.08 09:20:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • 15.02.08 09:20:50 – KSA Shark ©

    Come on now Oom – at your age you cant do anything unless you take them pills anyway. :twisted:

  • Comment 43, posted at 15.02.08 09:22:19 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Hey – no filth about that!

    Anyway – take what I say the way you like…its your mind doing the twisting and thinking… :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 15.02.08 09:22:36 by Ice Reply
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  • Hey Ice – so this is where you have disappeared to! Go girl!

  • Comment 45, posted at 15.02.08 09:23:34 by Nessa Reply

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  • Hi Ness!!F5′ing between the two articles and the sharks blog – really multi tasking today!

  • Comment 46, posted at 15.02.08 09:27:55 by Ice Reply
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  • Big Fish…adept as in what sense…playing? hehehehe

  • Comment 47, posted at 15.02.08 09:33:05 by Ice Reply
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  • I know – I am also switching between these two sites and the SS site to get the score on the Saders / Brumbies game.

  • Comment 48, posted at 15.02.08 09:40:36 by Nessa Reply

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    Ice that is the most action wpw has had in 6 months!
    15.02.08 09:17:59 – provincejoulekkading Edit

    :evil: :evil:

  • Comment 49, posted at 15.02.08 09:51:08 by wpw Reply
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  • 15.02.08 09:33:05 – Ice

    Adept at playing with things perhaps? :twisted:

  • Comment 50, posted at 15.02.08 10:29:23 by Big Fish Reply
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  • WPW – Yes, Jannie fukkin “I’m a man of integrity with balls of cotton wool” Ferreira, and his evil cohorts met with Earl and Jody Rose’s dad undercover and illegally. Bunch of floppin plonkers the lot of ‘em.
    Except Loffie, I admire and respect Loffie…….

  • Comment 51, posted at 15.02.08 11:12:54 by ruck Reply

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  • hello ruck. Was just talking about you

  • Comment 52, posted at 15.02.08 11:16:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • From 365

    Mujati cleared to face the Bulls

    The Stormers received a timely boost on Friday when an arbitrator of the judicial committee of the South African Rugby Union (SARU) cleared prop Brian Mujati to play against the Bulls in a Super 14 match at Newlands on Saturday.

    Mujati, a former Zimbabwean schoolboy star who transferred from the Lions to the Stormers at the end of last year, is at the centre of row between the two camps – or at least their administrative arms.

    The Golden Lions Rugby Union (GLRU) and the University of Johannesburg (UJ), where Mujati played before moving to Cape Town, have refused to sign release documents for Mujati and claimed that he was still legally under their employment.

    Mujati, meanwhile, has been training in Cape Town ever since moving from Johannesburg last year and was this week duly named in the Stormers team to face the defending champion Bulls in the opening round of the Super 14, in Cape Town on Saturday.

    The Lions had claimed he was not allowed to play for the Cape-based side, as he was supposedly still on their books, whilst they also lodged formal complaints against Mujati’s agent Jason Smith and Stormers coach Rassie Erasmus over what they claimed were a breach of player/agent and player-movement regulations.

    However, Advocate Jannie Lubbe, acting on instruction from SARU’s judicial committee, dismissed the Lions’ objections to Mujati’s inclusion in the Stormers side and his move to Cape Town.

    Although the Stormers have yet to obtain a formal clearance for Mujati from the Lions or UJ, SARU’s judicial committee is unlikely to stop him from playing on Saturday.

    “The provision of Section 38(1) of the immigration act prohibits the conclusion of an agreement with a foreigner whose status does not authorise him to be employed,” Lubbe told rugby365.com in revealing his finding to this website.

    “Therefore the contract concluded by the GLRU [Golden Lions Rugby Union] with the player is void ab initio and negotiations with the player by Erasmus [the Stormers coach] and the agent [Smith] were not in breach of [SARU] regulations,” Lubbe added.

    Although the Stormers still do not have a formal clearance and, strictly according to regulations, have to obtain one before Saturday, they will get away with playing the prop in Saturday’s big North-South derby if they can prove that they have applied for clearance by Friday.

    It is obvious the Lions won’t grant him clearance at this stage, but he will be allowed to play – while the clearance battle goes on.

    The reason why the prop’s agent, Smith, and Stormers coach Erasmus felt they were entitled to negotiate with the player – without permission from the Lions – was that he did not have a proper working permit.

    The Lions, in turn, claimed he was legally on their books because he was still on a student visa, although it appears the visa may have expired as a result of an administrative oversight.

    The Lions claim that Stormers and Western Province officials negotiated with Mujati behind their back, which is why they (the Lions) then lodged an objection with SARU.

    These are all the facts that Lubbe considered, before finding in favour of the Stormers.

    Mujati will be making his first Super 14 appearance in Stormers colours on Saturday.

  • Comment 53, posted at 15.02.08 21:44:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Why are there so few LIONS posts on here….only 7

    And there are 23 Sharks posts….you would think this is a Sharks site…

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.02.08 13:09:56 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Why don’t you just call it Shraksworld or something…..

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.02.08 13:10:28 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Typical Sharks…always think you hotter and everyone just wants to read about you all the time…

    JINNE

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.02.08 13:11:30 by Hmmm Reply

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  • On Mujati….
    Jinne….why are you such trouble…
    Just cozz you were rotated a lil….shame…
    And cozz you see more money…shame….

    Honour comes first fatty….

    I don’t like any of these Zimbo’s….seems all follow their leader…

  • Comment 57, posted at 16.02.08 13:14:39 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Chasing a top 10 spot, Hmmmm? ;)

  • Comment 58, posted at 16.02.08 13:29:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • It’s Dickie in the pic…

  • Comment 59, posted at 16.02.08 14:29:10 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Top 10 of what Robd!?!?!?
    I had stuff to say and I say it….And I am still posting less than in the past…..

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.02.08 15:41:23 by Hmmm Reply

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