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‘Rugby ambassadors of apartheid’


Written by Jonathan Burt (VinChainSaw)

Posted in :In the news on 14 Feb 2008 at 19:34

News24 reports the Minister of Sport Makhenkesi Stofile on Thursday slammed the “re-emergence of the erstwhile ambassadors of apartheid” in South African rugby.

Stofile was responding to a public campaign launched by AfriForum and a group of former Springbok rugby captains on Tuesday when they handed over a petition to the SA Rugby president, Oregan Hoskins, calling for an end to political interference in the sport.

Among those participating in the campaign were Wynand Claasen, Theuns Stofberg, Hannes Marais, Abie Malan and Johan Claasen whom the minister described as “beneficiaries and ambassadors of apartheid”.

“… all of them have willingly wheeled and oiled the apartheid wagon.

“Their campaigns in New Zealand, South Africa and elsewhere, especially the 1981 tour of New Zealand, caused unforgettable pain and rupture in countries of the world. It prolonged our suffering and segregation,” Stofile said in a statement.

“We regret this apparent rattling of the skeletons in the apartheid cupboard. Their gaunt eyes of injustice seem jaundiced in their interpretation of issues and in their selection of battlefields.”

He said they would not be allowed to re-impose their political will on South African rugby in their attempt to protect the benefits of apartheid bequeathed to their children.

Stofile added that anyone implying that newly appointed Springbok coach Peter De Villiers was hired because of the colour of his skin was either an “imbecile or a down right mischief maker”.

“They must be treated with the contempt they deserve,” he said.

AfriForum on Tuesday told Hoskins that “political interference and race-based policies in rugby” contravened the rugby union’s constitution as well as regulations of the International Rugby Board (IRB) and the International Olympic Committee (IOC).

Sharksworld editor note:

Is Stofile really claming we are all imbeciles for thinking de Villiers skin colour never helped him get the job when that is the official SARU line as espoused by none other than the chairman of SARU and the man responsible for the appointment, Mr. Oregan Hoskins himself?

To quote Hoskins: “I want to be honest with South Africa and say that the appointment was not entirely made for rugby reasons,”

Stofile would do well to remember what others have publicly stated in order to keep his own story straight.

It seems the powers-that-be want to claim de Villiers appointment as a victory for transformation when it suits them but also as a rugby decision when times call for the move to be defended.

I feel very sorry for Peter de Villiers – he’s going to be used as a pawn in this sick game and the way he’s going to be made to run from pillar to post will make Jake White’s treatment look like Sunday school.

De Villiers, in my opinion, deserves better than this.

SA Rugby, in my opinion, deserves better than Stofile. Both of them.



37 Comments

  • On the subject of the previous captains supposed petitioning of the IRB, I happen to agree with Stofile.

    Especially as the only two players of colour to nail down a permanent starting berth in the current bok side are both definitely merit selections in my opinion and always have been.

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.02.08 19:37:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I agree Vinnie.

    One only has to look at our S14 squads as well as coaching staff to see that rugby in SA is still dominated by whites.

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.02.08 19:46:59 by wpw Reply
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  • I just dont see much political interference at all to be honest.

    Yeah there are occasional threats but I havent witnessed much actual interference.

    I can count on one hand the number of forced selections, some of whihc could be argued on rugby terms anyway.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.02.08 19:50:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Did you know Ali Bacher once vetoed the selectors while he was President of SA Cricket?

    He added Hansie Cronje to the squad.

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.02.08 19:58:40 by wpw Reply
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  • Wow. I almost had an aneurism when I saw this headline!

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.02.08 19:58:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • I remember van rooyen forcing Jake to drop de wet and marius.

    And then replaced them with white players anyway.

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.02.08 19:59:42 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Oh, and we won the 3N after they were dropped!

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.02.08 20:01:19 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Get used to Mad Mike.. He’s going to be with us for some time, I fear

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.02.08 20:03:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • This isnt Mike, its his boet.

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.02.08 20:06:11 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Its his brother Robd

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.02.08 20:06:50 by wpw Reply
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  • Yeah not that it changes the level of nonsense they can talk.

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.02.08 20:09:34 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • He has a brother called RobD?

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.02.08 20:10:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Not that I for a second support the aims and intentions of a bunch of ex-broeders parading under the name ‘afriforum’ either

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.02.08 20:14:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • WTF are you guys doing on the net on valentines day? :wink:

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.02.08 20:21:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • don’t you just love the term “erstwhile”, though?

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.02.08 20:33:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • robd,
    i didn’t think claasens was a broeder, but i dont think the broeders that are making this protest are the problem, there are valid concerns they have. the real problem are the broeders who pretend they’re in line with the transformation in an attempt to derive some benefit for themselves or organistation.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.02.08 21:55:32 by cab Reply

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  • A few nights ago someone offered similar thoughts (that the international community will not see the interference the way we do) and was shot down in flames.

    I tend to agree though.

    1) The big name on the petition Claasen led a All White tour out of SA.

    2) The int community will look at the teams and say where is all this interference, the teams are virtually lilly white.

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.02.08 21:56:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA,
    i’m not sure, if this group show a copy of the various sporting body’s transformation charters and other evidence which specifically calls for targets, as well as the new sports bill through parliament, i reckon there’s alot that can be done.

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.02.08 22:01:51 by cab Reply

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  • Cab

    I agree to a certain extent but it has all been threats (up until now)

    I live in a country where law after law is passed but hardly ever is it enforced and similar things happen in SA.

    What proof other than these laws do these guys have? I mean we are the RWC champions so they can’t say it has affected us in a negative way.

    The ONE instance when a player was forced into the team by “government intervention” was a WHITE player. The IRB will laugh at the honourary black situation.

    We are Fielding 110 players this weekend in the S14 and only 20 of those players are Not white. (I am not Including the Fijian for the Stormers). This is not an indication of a system that has a government forcing selections on them.

    This it the way the outside world would look at it.

    I agree that we can’t correct the past by making the same mistakes but these are just threats at the moment.

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.02.08 22:15:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • sorry – just one point. Cab- you are completely right. WC was, in fact, quite famously not a member of the Broederbond. His book, “More Than Just Rugby” was one of the first to expose Broederbond “political interference in rugby”.

    Funny how the wheel turns

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.02.08 22:38:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • precisely we are world champions, i am worried that since JW is not there and everything behind the scenes, the whole 10 of 15 thing is in the pipeworks.
    the point is simply to do not employ these policies, but i guess i’m farting against thunder and perhaps they are too. but maybe just maybe some ANC official with a bit of brains twigs onto the pointless naure of these policies. very slim chance, granted.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.02.08 23:27:50 by cab Reply

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  • it could happen.

    They should IMO do a bit better “politicing” behind the scenes and get the IRB to issue some sort of statement that it would not tolerate government interference in national team selection.

    For that you would need rugby HEAVYWEIGHTS though and i am afraid there are very few of those left in SA.

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.02.08 23:33:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • 14.02.08 22:15:56 – KSA Shark © Edit

    Pretty much exactly the way I feel.

    Its all just been threats till this points and the numbers, unfortunately, speak for themselves.

    20 non-white players in five SA squads this week.

    If thats supposedly this government intervantion which is such n moerse problem then I dunno.

    Chicken little syndrome.

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.02.08 00:07:23 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Rassie makes transformation history tomm boys…….As usual, the Western Cape shall have to educate, guide and clear the way for the “simple folk and gypsies” inhabiting the rest of the country….
    Gud luck with the quokka throwing/jaw breaking Perth trash tonight Sharks fans…..

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.02.08 07:15:17 by ruck Reply

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  • “We regret this apparent rattling of the skeletons in the apartheid cupboard. Their gaunt eyes of injustice seem jaundiced in their interpretation of issues and in their selection of battlefields.”

    His speech-writer was obviously on some mind-blowing stuff when he slipped that lil gem in.

    “gaunt eyes of injustice” indeed! :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.02.08 08:49:14 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Reckon he might just share a speech-writer with our esteemed beetroot minister…

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.02.08 11:28:42 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Fijians and hobbits don’t count :(

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.02.08 11:33:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Stofile attack on Boks slammed

    Sport Minister Makhenkesi Stofile’s attack against former Springbok players is an attempt to distract attention from government’s “transgression of international sports regulations”, AfriForum said on Friday.

    “The unrestrained personal attack by Stofile is a transparent effort to distract attention from the fact that the government’s racially driven political interference in sport is a transgression of international sports regulations,” said CEO Kallie Kriel.

    Stofile on Thursday sharply criticised AfriForum after a group of former Springboks, along with AfriForum, called for an end to “racial discrimination in rugby”.

    Stofile said they (the former players) were “ambassadors of apartheid” who had “willingly wheeled and oiled the apartheid wagon”.

    Stofile said he would not allow them to re-impose their political will on South Africa.

    The players, in co-operation with AfriForum, met this week with the president of the SA Rugby Union (Saru), Oregan Hoskins, to voice their concerns about “political interference” in rugby.

    Stofile’s response in a statement was: “We regret this apparent rattling of the skeletons in the apartheid cupboard. Their gaunt eyes of injustice seem jaundiced in their interpretation of issues and in their selection of battlefields.

    “Their campaigns in New Zealand, South Africa and elsewhere, especially the 1981 tour of New Zealand, caused unforgettable pain and rupture in countries of the world. It prolonged our suffering and segregation,” Stofile said.

    Kriel retorted: “The disrespect shown by Stofile to some of SA’s greatest rugby heroes, will not change the fact that political interference and racially-driven policies in rugby not only contravene the constitution of Saru, but the regulations of the International Rugby Board (IRB) and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) as well,” Kriel said.

    Stofile’s censure would not prevent AfriForum and the former Springbok players from submitting a memorandum to the IRB shortly, citing numerous examples of political interference in SA Rugby during the past few years, in contravention of the IRB’s regulations.

    “The number of former Springbok captains supporting AfriForum’s memorandum against political interference, have since grown to eight. Divan Serfontein, Nelie Smith and Avril Malan have now added their names to those of Wynand Claassen, Hannes Marais, Theuns Stofberg, Abie Malan, and Johan Claassen. Discussions with other captains to gather their support as well, are also taking place.”

    He said that other well-known rugby stars such as Frik du Preez, Gerrie Germishuys, Krynauw Otto, Daan du Plessis, Richard Prentis, Ewoud Malan, Ockie Oosthuizen and Div Visser were also amongst those who were taking a stand against political interference in rugby.

    “The fact that the Minister of Sport a week ago reiterated his determination to continue political interference in sport and now even launches personal attacks against those who dare to voice their concerns, leave us with no option but to seek assistance from the IRB and other international sporting bodies,” Kriel said.

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.02.08 13:27:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Kriel retorted: “The disrespect shown by Stofile to some of SA’s greatest rugby heroes”

    No Kallie. Not South Africa’s greatest rugby heroes. I can promise you that not even half of SA supported them back then.

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.02.08 13:59:50 by wpw Reply
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  • Yip, call it white South Africa’s rugby heroes. Or apartheid’s rugby heroes.

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.02.08 14:36:47 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • rugby “ambassadors of apartheid”. now we don’t go around saying the ANC are ambassadors of neandethals after their antics at polokwane. oh damn i just did.

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.02.08 14:38:48 by try time Reply

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  • “Their campaigns in New Zealand, South Africa and elsewhere, especially the 1981 tour of New Zealand, caused unforgettable pain and rupture in countries of the world. It prolonged our suffering and segregation,” Stofile said in a statement.

    So the high levels of crime and juvenile mentality of the ANC government has not prolonged suffering and segregation in this beautiful country? A simple case of a pot calling a polar bear black.

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.02.08 14:45:25 by try time Reply

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  • Let’s try be objective Mr Stofile, I suggest you give Mr Mourad Boudjellal a call at Toulon and ask him how much he offered Meyer to coach his team and then ask him how much he would pay De Villiers to coach his club?

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.02.08 14:49:28 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Guys, we have the S14 to talk about today – why get sidelined into such a subjective and largely un-rugby matter?

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.02.08 14:52:45 by Big Fish Reply
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  • big fish, it is not an unrugby subject. as long as whiny ministers keep dragging the game through the mud, the boks won’t soar to the heights possible, denying the world the chance to witness the true ability of the south african.

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.02.08 14:58:15 by try time Reply

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  • success brings money into sa rugby. this money can then be used to develop this game into africa. creating a truly international sport. the sport minister cannot get past his low self esteem and personal agendas to realise this.

  • Comment 36, posted at 15.02.08 15:02:10 by try time Reply

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  • guys – I’m closing down comments here for a while. Let’s all go cool off and talk about rugby

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