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Tappe confirms what you all thought.


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Bulls, In the news, Stormers, Super 14 on 18 Feb 2008 at 08:05
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Bryan Habana’s try for the Bulls in their Super 14 match against the Stormers at Newlands on Saturday should not have been awarded.

News 24 reports that former Test referee Tappe Henning says he thought Willie Roos made a mistake by allowing the Super 14 champions to win back the ball illegally from a ruck just before the Springbok wing scored his try.

“My initial observation was that the Bulls had not won the ball legally,” said Henning, who is assisting the SA Rugby Union by training referees to apply the new experimental laws.

Stormers coach Rassie Erasmus said after his team’s 16-9 defeat that a Bulls player had kicked the ball out of the hands of the Stormers scrumhalf, Ricky Januarie.

At a function prior to the match on Saturday, when the laws were explained to journalists, Henning and Saru’s chief of referees, Andre Watson, invited media representatives to enquire about incidents.

On Sunday, Henning said he still had to check video footage. However, he confirmed that Roos had erred in the way he applied the experimental laws.

Erasmus was unhappy about the slowing down of play at breakdown points. “This match was the only one (of the weekend’s Super 14 fixtures) in which the ball emerged so slowly from breakdown points,” he said.

“In all the other matches free-kicks were awarded or the ball came back quickly.

“When the ball is not emerging for up to six seconds, it means someone is holding on to it. I enjoy the experimental laws but not the way the breakdown points turned out in our match.”

Henning said the feeling was that referees should be quicker to award free-kicks. “Willie waited too long,” he added.

Erasmus, when asked why the Stormers had not moved the ball wide in the second half, pointed to the slow possession his team had gained.

Habana’s try shortly before half-time was a major setback for the home team and had a strong influence on the result.

“It’s a big setback it you’re leading 9-0 and suddenly the score is 9-7,” Erasmus said.

However, he conceded that the Stormers had not converted enough of their opportunities in the first half.



36 Comments

  • Well as you know I didn’t watch the game, but it certainly seems as if Tappe Henning agrees with a few of the sentiments raised here yesterday.

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.02.08 08:07:34 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Duuurrrr…

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.02.08 08:36:14 by bryce_in_oz Reply
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  • Bryce :?: :?:

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.02.08 08:41:24 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • The Stormers are at least lucky that this did not happen in the final… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.02.08 08:54:31 by Charlie Reply
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  • Didn’t watch the game but this will be interesting to see… :shock:

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.02.08 09:03:37 by shark_time Reply
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  • Charlie :lol:

    Just imagine if the Bulls were on the receiving side of this?????

    I think Linston Manuals is STILL on the most wanted list in PTA. :wink:

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.02.08 09:07:23 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Are they lucky or is it just a coincidence?

    Does this happen to all the teams and people only make noise when it happens to the Bulls?

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.02.08 09:10:15 by shark_time Reply
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  • There we go try time…vindication….ban Roos until he is up to scratch!!

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.02.08 09:14:49 by Me2 Reply
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  • The thing i find most concerning with the ELV’s, is that there is no lon arm penalty for slowing the ball down on the ground – it used to cost three points – now it cost nothing – breakdown is going to be sloooooow

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.02.08 10:02:15 by Sauce Reply
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  • Well – what can we say??? Somehow the Bulls always seem to come out of these “bad decisions” with a smile!

    Also saw that there were one or two suspect tries allowed by the TV ref in the Reds / Highlanders game. Can’t believe that with all the technology available – they still can’t get it right. Surely if you can’t see the grounding of the ball or the try line – you can’t award the try?

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.02.08 10:10:28 by Nessa Reply

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  • with you on that, Sauce. It’s only going to be worse under the full ELVs where hands in the ruck will be allowed

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.02.08 10:23:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nessa

    I am with you on that.

    In Union ther benefit of the doubt goes with the defending team in league however it goes with the attacker.

    it’s actually (IMO anyway) quite shocking when you see a League TMO award a try and it ACTUALLY SAYS “benefit of doubt with attacking team” when they cannot confirm if the grounding was made or not. :evil:

    In Union the ref needs to take a bit of the responsibility and does.
    In Union the TMO IS ONLY allowed to answer what the ref asked.
    If a ref asks “can you give me a reason not to award the try” and the TMO cannot see any errors and than has to say he cannot give a reason. And to me some of the refs stuff it up a little by asking a question like that, but it is the easy way out for the ref.

    i have noticed a few refs put all the onus on the TMO by asking “please check everything for me, grounding etc.

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.02.08 10:33:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Hi Nessa!! How about Dannie’s trip on the Fijian?? Was even highlighted at the end of Sundays show!! Also bit of an :oops: for beast in his red underpants :lol:

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.02.08 10:36:14 by Me2 Reply

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  • so I wasn’t the only one who saw Beast’s red scants?

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.02.08 10:40:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • yes i gave all predictions and referee decisions ruined them. i better take who is reffing into account next time. and also the tmo’s as the case with the reds game.

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.02.08 10:57:59 by try time Reply

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  • no way the Bulls were gonna lose with Roos reffing. Why do you think i picked them?

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.02.08 10:59:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hey Rob

    Wasn’t it against the Bulls that Kockott treated Roos like his best Buddy to give us the victory?

    So how can you say Roos would let the Buls win. :roll: Or was Kockott’s influence THAT good. :wink:

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.02.08 11:02:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • is it only me or does it look like habana is taking steroids? he has acne and he seems to be putting on a lot of weight. just an observation.

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.02.08 11:03:53 by try time Reply

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  • try time – maybe he shares a room with Pierre Spies when on tour ;)

    KSA, that was an anomaly. That was only after Ackies got sent off for klapping Roos’s brother-in-law, for heaven’s sake!

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.02.08 11:10:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • so yeah, Rocket’s influence was that good! ;)

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.02.08 11:11:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • 18.02.08 10:36:14 – Me2

    Trip was by Pedrie.

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.02.08 11:15:20 by Sauce Reply
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  • Rob – got taken to task yesterday for saying Roos was biased in favour of the BBs …glad to see u backing me up!!

    When is someone going to teach Habana not to fall on the ball when he goes over….??? Thought his “dive for the line” has become alittle over dramatic recently :grin:

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.02.08 11:16:00 by Me2 Reply

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  • Pedrie/Dannie what’s the diff. They play the same way and get away with it :smile:

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.02.08 11:17:40 by Me2 Reply

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  • so P3 tripped Fiji?

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.02.08 11:26:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • Yep,that was the blatant one.There was quite a bit of offcamera crap from the bulls that im damned unimpressed with.

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.02.08 11:30:16 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • dude, what do you expect? It’s the Bulls. They just play that way.

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.02.08 11:32:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hey all.

    No surprise that Roos stuffed up again, surely? The oke is incompetent.

    The Bulls consistently went off-side and slowed the ball down, and he should have considered a card in my opinion – the ELVs reduced penalty infringements can only work if cards are shown for consistent negative play.

    The trip by P3 and the spear by the Fijian also needed greater censure.

    I really thought the Stormers played well and even Look played a very good game. They will be an handful for the Sharks.

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.02.08 11:34:58 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Bi Fish – Roos warned the Bulls and then never carried it through …just another example of his incompetence (or bias?)!

    Rob -’It’s the Bulls. They just play that way.’ All the more reason for them to be sorted out!! :wink:

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.02.08 11:55:17 by Me2 Reply

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  • yeah – look, to be honest, my biggest problem with Roos is that he’s a whistle-happy pedant who has no feel for the game and misses a lot of really blatant stuff while insisting on blowing for tiny, meaningless indiscretions.

    The “Bulls bias” is just a cool bit of icing on the cake.

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.02.08 11:55:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • yeah – look, to be honest, my biggest problem with Roos is that he’s a whistle-happy pedant who has no feel for the game and misses a lot of really blatant stuff while insisting on blowing for tiny, meaningless indiscretions.

    The “Bulls bias” is just a cool bit of icing on the cake.

    18.02.08 11:55:57 – robdylan

    So basically he shouldn’t be a ref :???:

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.02.08 12:07:29 by shark_time Reply

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  • umm, no. I don’t believe he should be. At least, not at the level he’s currently reffing at.

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.02.08 12:24:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • I have said it once & I’ll say it again….he should be banned from reffing ALL S14 games! He’s a paid professional & until he is up to scratch….please save us the :oops: of an incompetent ref. blowing games in Australasia!!

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.02.08 13:26:27 by Me2 Reply

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  • Willie Roos is an incompetent doos.

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.02.08 13:43:50 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • And so say all of us!

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.02.08 14:03:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • :mrgreen: Back to the chorus !!!

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.02.08 14:24:52 by shark_time Reply

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  • I just dont see the point in even playing these games if the refereeing is so incompetent that close matches are always influenced by the ref.

    In the last 12 months alone we had a ref influencing the top-rated side in the World Cup, we had a ref deciding who won the Super14 in the last minute, we has a ref deciding who won this game.

    Thats just off the top of my head.

    I find it disgraceful and is the biggest blight on the game.

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.02.08 14:28:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
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