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Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :In the news, Super 14 on 20 Feb 2008 at 07:24
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Wallabies winger Lote Tuqiri has labelled as “short-sighted” remarks by Springboks flyer Bryan Habana that the new laws on trial in the Super 14 are making rugby union become more like rugby league.

Article courtesy Rupert Guiness, rugbyheaven.co.nz.

Tuqiri, who played his first game under experimental law variations [ELVs] in NSW’s 20-3 Super 14 round one win over the Hurricanes in Sydney last Saturday, believes union will prosper by being faster and less stop-start. He also applauds the way the game under the ELVs requires players to be better all-round athletes than before.

Tuqiri’s comments come after Habana, the Bulls winger, criticised the laws for taking away the many breaks in the game, rather than welcoming them.

“I don’t know what he is frustrated about. He [should] like the fast pace of it, the fact he is a speed merchant,” said Tuqiri, who flies to New Zealand with the Waratahs tomorrow to play the Chiefs in Hamilton on Saturday.

Habana said yesterday that rugby union has “a lot more rugby league feel on it” under the news laws that are an International Rugby Board initiative. He is also worried that, with the new laws, there is “no stop-start” in the game. “If guys wanted to play rugby league, they’d go out and play rugby league,” Habana said. “The essence of what rugby is about is something that I don’t think any player or any supporter wants to see lost. There’s something special about rugby; your forwards pride themselves on the scrum and lineout and your backs pride themselves on that contest against the opposition. The backs are running against the forwards now and the forwards are running against the backs. So it’s a little bit of a mix-up at the moment.”

However, Tuqiri believes that a player of Habana’s speed and ability with ball in hand should revel under the new laws. Tuqiri showed, against the Hurricanes, how it is possible, regularly making use of the opportunities the new laws create for finding gaps.

“It is a bit short-sighted,” Tuqiri said of Habana’s stance, believing that backs like he and Habana should “want to go up against a slower bloke to try and work him over in defence”.

He added: “I guess with these new rules you can do that and they actually give you the chance to do that. You also have to be an athlete to play the [new] game. You have to be fitter. That will also be a positive.”

Tuqiri, who played league with the Broncos before joining the Waratahs in 2003, also disagrees with Habana that playing rugby under news laws is like playing league again. “It has been a while since I played rugby league but I didn’t think that,” Tuqiri said.

Furthermore, Tuqiri believes players need to accept that after only one week’s use in the Super 14 – the highest level of competition in which the new laws have been trialled – adapting to them will still take time.

“He is entitled to his opinion, [but] it is only the first week and there are going to be teething problems. The rules are an improvement on the game. They are a positive for the game,” he said.

While some sides had difficulty understanding and putting the new laws into practice, Tuqiri believes NSW helped themselves by preparing well in the off-season. “We went over all the laws, put them on the white board, then went through the pros and cons on how to exploit some,” he said.

“We got onto the park and practised. I don’t think we got caught out as much as other teams.”

But Tuqiri agrees with Habana that with the new laws yet to be approved for Tests, returning to the old ones will be hard. The Wallabies will have to do just that after the Super 14 for their home fixtures against Ireland and France.

Habana said: “I don’t really understand because the southern hemisphere teams are playing with it in the Super 14, then come the June Tests we revert back to the old laws, then come the Tri Nations we revert back to the new laws again.” Tuqiri said: “That is going to be pretty tough. You can’t have one game to play and then another.”

The Waratahs, who trained yesterday without ill second-rower Dan Vickerman, will name a team for Saturday’s game tomorrow.



50 Comments

  • i agree. it is only the teams and players that play negative rugby that are whining. good, we don’t want your type in the game anymore.

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.02.08 07:28:43 by try time Reply
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  • and why are the bulls and stormers whining about the elv’s anyway, they haven’t played under them yet. willie roos used a whole different set of laws on saturday not related to any laws currently used in rugby.

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.02.08 07:31:31 by try time Reply
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  • I found it quite interesting to read in Sunday’s newspaper “Rapport” that Dick Muir was not so happy with the new ELV’s but yesterday on the Sharks website John Plumtree applauded it on the otherhand… Maybe different thoughts by the two coaches, problems between them surfacing perhaps :roll:

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.02.08 07:44:26 by Charlie Reply
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  • or maybe rapport translated badly. you can spin something a person anyway you want. for instance charlie you see the two coaches as maybe having problems, i could spin the varied responses to the elv’s as a way to confuse the opposition teams. have one coach say one thing have the other say another and the opposition get confused and start reading too much into everything

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.02.08 07:48:24 by try time Reply
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  • hey charlie you look a lot like adrian jacobs.

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.02.08 07:49:21 by try time Reply
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  • TT,

    :mrgreen: Sure that’s Adi in the picture…

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.02.08 07:50:57 by Charlie Reply
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  • thats what i am asking?

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.02.08 08:12:23 by try time Reply
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  • :cool: My favourite player, really exciting to watch… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.02.08 08:24:23 by Charlie Reply
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  • i knew that. just pulling your leg. he is wasted though with all the kickers giving the ball away. he was running around in circles on friday like a dog that can’t get his ball thats stuck in a tree.

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.02.08 08:37:52 by try time Reply
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  • Hey tt! Were you at the game on Friday?

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.02.08 08:42:36 by shark-tank Reply
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  • TT,

    Jip, he was for 25min on the park but only got to handle the ball twice… :sad:

    I am playing centre myself for a club in Cape Town, gets also frustrated with useless kicking, my believe if you kick the ball chase it yourself and then the others will follow… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.02.08 08:57:46 by Charlie Reply
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  • my view on kicking is if you want to kick, play soccer.

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.02.08 09:12:39 by try time Reply
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  • I have to agree with tt,i hate pointless kicking.

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.02.08 09:16:01 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • better not what saturdays game then. sharks have already hinted at kicking again.

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.02.08 09:18:09 by try time Reply

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  • better not WATCH… sorry

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.02.08 09:18:38 by try time Reply

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  • TT,

    Last Friday night I had toughts of watching a soccer match… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.02.08 09:19:10 by Charlie Reply

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  • …thoughts… :oops:

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.02.08 09:19:49 by Charlie Reply

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  • Keyboard problems early in the morning hey?

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.02.08 09:25:14 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • Charlie what does Adi make of the new rules?

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.02.08 09:30:04 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • :roll: …not a good start hey… :evil:

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.02.08 09:30:18 by Charlie Reply

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  • it was like watching tennis. without the screeching.

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.02.08 09:34:01 by try time Reply

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  • bryce,

    Unfortunately the Sharks are not playing the Stormers in CPT this year… So I won’t be able to have a discussion with him regarding the ELV’s… :sad:

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.02.08 09:35:07 by Charlie Reply

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  • Charlie, I have his phone number, if you’re interested ;)

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.02.08 09:39:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • 20.02.08 07:31:31 – try time

    Just what I needed to get my morning started! Thanks for the chuckle, TT.

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.02.08 09:41:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • shark tank are you mj. devious.

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.02.08 09:45:01 by try time Reply

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  • charlie seeing that you are here, i responded to you on the other blog.

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.02.08 09:46:12 by try time Reply

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  • Come on – Toquiri is so slow he cant run around Johan Ackermann! These new rules arent gonna help him come up against slower blokes – there arent any.

    Except if Roets or Breytie make a comeback…

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.02.08 09:48:06 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Rob,

    Did not have the guts to ask him in previous meetings myself, sort of respect his privacy… :grin: But you can perhaps mail me the number… :cool:

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.02.08 09:49:20 by Charlie Reply

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  • tt- yip… :oops:

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.02.08 09:49:48 by shark-tank Reply

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  • TT,

    Now way buddy, I’ll rather leave that for Big Joe… :shock:

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.02.08 09:52:16 by Charlie Reply

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  • As a league convert it’s ironic he’s commenting….

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.02.08 09:52:34 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • I am no fan of the new laws either, but i will give them the first half of the tourney for the refs and the players to get the hang of it until flaming it, but i see huge problems at the breakdown being the death of these rules.

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.02.08 09:57:08 by Sauce Reply
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  • damnit, mj! i cannot remember my wifes name, never mind all these dual personalities.

    sauce, i disagree the new rules are fairer on the players as the rucks are such a mess, in the past referees would give penalties but the other team could have just as easily been penalised at the same breakdown. and they would get points against them. this way if the ref misses something it is only a free kick and the other team doesn’t get unfairly penalised.

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.02.08 10:02:27 by try time Reply

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  • try time – yup good point – my problem with it is that – a discretion at ruck time had a 3 point cost if it was in your half – incentive to play the rules – the new laws offer a short arm – no cost to breaking the rules. So if the defence is disorganised you slow the ball down – concede the short arm – and keep holding on until the oppo takes a scrum or the defence is organised. I see it slowing down rather than speeding up.

    But its just my opinion – if anything the short arm just encourages you to break the law with out conceding anything

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.02.08 10:11:40 by Sauce Reply
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  • TT & sauce…you both make compeling arguments…

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.02.08 10:23:52 by blackshark Reply

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  • Sauce, its a valid point, and its why I maintain that the ELVs cant work unless Refs are willing to hand out cards for cynical play, especially repeated infringements in a team’s own 22m area.

    ELVs can only work if cards replace a 3-pointer as a threat.

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.02.08 10:28:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • zigacktly, Fish…

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.02.08 10:29:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • Fish – yup agreed.

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.02.08 10:38:22 by Sauce Reply
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  • On the spot bigfish…the repeat offenders will have to be noted.

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.02.08 10:42:04 by blackshark Reply

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  • use the TMO to keep score and tell the Ref when a certain player has been pinged 3 times for the same offence… then it’s offski…

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.02.08 10:43:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • why can’t we be rugby administrators…just see how easy it was to come up with a good idea.

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.02.08 10:52:13 by blackshark Reply

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  • because we don’t like big lunches nearly enough…

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.02.08 10:56:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • Speak for yourself rob! :grin:

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.02.08 10:57:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • sorry, dude… where is Wes anyway? ;)

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.02.08 11:03:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • He is so quiet nowadays it could be that he is in the big cafeteria in the sky. :smile:

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.02.08 11:10:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • KFC has a new burger out maybe he is doing QC for them.

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.02.08 11:22:48 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • well its also not surprise that the ozzies are all enamoured with these rules, lets face it, it does make the game more like league, in being less stop-start it will require fitter players rther than the power props of old and in the NH.

    Also, in oz league is a far bigger sport, thus the talent to draw from increases overnight. think these new laws are going toc ome in for a bit of stik from the NH, but lets give it time.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.02.08 12:56:25 by cab Reply

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  • cab – did you see Ackers play on Friday?

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.02.08 13:00:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • no, cant see FA, might have to get mediazone, was he good or off the pace? is he 37 or 38 now, bladdy amazing.

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.02.08 13:04:57 by cab Reply

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  • 38. He was SUPERB!

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.02.08 13:05:37 by robdylan Reply
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