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Breaking News: Sharks counting the Cost of Key Injuries


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Posted in :Admin, Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 25 Feb 2008 at 19:30

Sources in the Sharks camp report that Ruan Pienaar is likely to be out for at least 3-4 weeks with what is thought to be a shoulder injury, while of even more concern will be that fiery hooker Bismark du Plessis; the heart of much of the aggressive defensive and attacking work done by the Sharks pack, has a broken rib and will probably be out for about 4 weeks.

While the sublime all-round performance of young Rory Kockott will ameliorate the loss of Pienaar, the loss of du Plessis is likely to cause a few palpitating hearts down on the East coast. Not only will his strength in the scrums, powerful defensive work and bullocking runs be missed, but the men standing in line behind him are all inexperienced and, although talented, very raw.

One would assume that the Sharks will have to look to talented retreaded outside back, Craig Burden, to fill the not inconsiderable boots of du Plessis, and while the former is a powerful and elusive runner, big tackler and aggressive cleaner at rucks, his fundamentals are still a work in progress.

There are still questions over his lineout and scrum work, and although the fact that he is playing against another retreaded hooker in Derrick Kuun should offer some consolation for this Saturday, he will have to really raise his game in the next few weeks.

We will be sure to keep you posted on any further developments in this matter.



76 Comments

  • ameliorate :shock:

    Thank goodness I have a thesaurus.

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.02.08 19:46:15 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • If Muir goes with Burden, and i don’t see why he won’t< then Burden is going to have his hands full.

    If Bakkies comes back, which is rumoured to be the case, then he would be living up to the “my ball is my ball and your ball is also my ball” mantra and the Sharks will have their work cut out to get around that.

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.02.08 19:49:28 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • What ever happened to Skipper??

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.02.08 19:50:31 by JT Reply
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  • Not sure actually but I THINK he is playing VC.

    HB May be able to answer that for us.

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.02.08 19:53:38 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Oh f!k :twisted:

    We simply cannot lose vs the Bulls this weekend. Kick ‘em when they’re down!

    As for Bakkies, is he even match-fit?

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.02.08 19:56:47 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Nope No Skipper in the Wildebeest side that played this weekend.

    Wildebeest XV:

    15. Danie Dames
    14. Frank Wagenstroom
    13. Dumisani Matyeshana
    12. Andries Strauss
    11. Henno Mentz
    10. Scott Spedding
    9. Charl McLoed
    8. Jean Deysel
    7. Nikolai Blignaut
    6. Justin Downey
    5. Steven Sykes
    4. Alistair Hargreaves (Capt)
    3. Robbie Harris
    2. Jody Jenneker
    1. Kees Lensing

    Replacements

    16. Subusiso Dube
    17. Pierre Bouwer
    18. Schalk van Jaarsveld
    19. Jacques Potgieter
    20. Neil de Bruin
    21. Lwazi Mvovo
    22. Riaan Swanepoel

    HB??? Where is Skipper? :wink:

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.02.08 19:59:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • is he not injured?

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.02.08 20:01:01 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Quinny

    The Bulls site have him and Ndungane down as “good possibilities” to play agains the Sharks on Saturday.

    From the Bulls site.

    The Vodacom Bulls team doctor Tommie Smook said there is a good possibility that Bakkies Botha as well as Akona Ndungane will be involved in the Bulls’ match against the Sharks at Loftus on Saturday.

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.02.08 20:01:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • This is really kak news…

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.02.08 20:22:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good news if Bakkies is staying in sa but what are the chances of that :roll:

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.02.08 20:25:16 by JT Reply

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  • Good evening all. Finding the Oscars a bit boring! Thought I would pop in and see what’s potting and I am devastated! Bismarck out – oh boy. Craig is – as is said above 0 a work in progress. Not sure if he is ready for a full game. Skipper was injured – for how long though? Who will be backup hooker in the bench then? Jody? And against the Bulls … not good.

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.02.08 20:34:07 by Nessa Reply

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  • Skipper injured himself in the game against Free State. He was meant to be fit last week, but somehow didn’t make either squad.

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.02.08 20:34:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • Start with Jannie at 3 and BJ at 2?

    Burden and Lensing on the bench?

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.02.08 20:35:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • Breaking news for those who care. Uct 55-19 tukkies

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.02.08 20:35:36 by PostmanPat Reply

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  • Evening Nessa

    Just to add to your complaint of this afternoon………

    Night all it is bedtime for me. :wink:

    Keep Going Nessa you are catching them.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.02.08 20:35:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I would still choose Craig ahead of Skipper but think it is a big ask for him – it could go either way. Either he will do really well or he will really botch up – and it could ruin things for him.

    Skipper doesn’t throw straight even after all the game time he has had but he has had more experience. Will be interested to see what happens.

    BF – like your “retreaded hoooker” phrase.

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.02.08 20:38:45 by Nessa Reply

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  • KSA – what complaint was that?

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.02.08 20:40:00 by Nessa Reply

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  • Start with Jannie at 3 and BJ at 2?

    Burden and Lensing on the bench?

    25.02.08 20:35:16 – robdylan

    Huh???!!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.02.08 20:41:42 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • KSA – what complaint was that?

    25.02.08 20:40:00 – Nessa Edit

    That it always seems as if there is nobody around to talk to. :wink:

    I was serious about going to bed, but just got an article from a friend that has asked me to post it. Going up now. worth a read.

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.02.08 20:45:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Well – I was right, wasn’t I. I log on and you go to bed. That doesn’t say much for my conversation skills. My feelings are hurt! :cry:

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.02.08 20:46:10 by Nessa Reply

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  • :smile:

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.02.08 20:49:08 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • No use smiling at me!!!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.02.08 20:49:34 by Nessa Reply

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  • BJ Botha played hooker at age group level. Surely you know that, Quinn?

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.02.08 20:52:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • :oops:

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.02.08 20:55:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • BJ Botha played hooker at age group level. Surely you know that, Quinn?

    25.02.08 20:52:19 – robdylan

    I’m not a stalker like you Rob :roll:

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.02.08 20:57:57 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Hooking is not our problem throwing in at the LO is going to be our BIG problem.

    If BJ can throw in at the LO then get Burden to lift in the LO. Voila the problem is solved. BUT CAN BJ throw is still?

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.02.08 21:00:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • yeah – therein lies the problem.

    I guess we could always just try to avoid lineouts… Make sure they never get the ball, so they can’t kick it out.

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.02.08 21:02:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • RD – good idea! Why didn’t I think of that? Let’s be positive and if Craig has to play – he will step up to the plate and shine – just like Rory did last year when Scott was injured and Ruan went off with the Boks and he was even our “designated kicker”. What would we have done without him? The phrase is “grab the opportunity with both hands”.

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.02.08 21:04:59 by Nessa Reply

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  • We just went past iamastormer.com on amatomu’s ratings. We are now at number 4!

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.02.08 21:09:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • exactly. I back Craig to do the job. I mean, Kuun is a lightweight, after all.

    Ackies and Bakkies… let those two sort each other out while the rest play rugger.

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.02.08 21:10:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • Cool!!

    Well – that’s it for me for tonight. Goodnight all.

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.02.08 21:12:10 by Nessa Reply

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  • what is amatomu?

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.02.08 21:14:42 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • cheers Ness

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.02.08 21:15:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • it’s an SA blog directory, Quinn

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.02.08 21:16:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • yes…and….?

    a bientot Ness

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.02.08 21:17:48 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • and what?

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.02.08 23:52:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • and what is the significance of these Amatomu ratings?

    Honestly, cause I’m an IT-ignoramus…

  • Comment 37, posted at 26.02.08 00:26:45 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Just don’t put JJ anywhere near the first team… now this is the weekend that our passes are more crisp and start to stick… and we use our wings…

    Going to run them ragged… would rather have Terblanche starting over Ndungane…

  • Comment 38, posted at 26.02.08 02:11:38 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • it is a simple case of everything that went right for the sharks last year is going wrong this year. last year the sharks had very few injuries and a great draw, this year it looks the opposite. lets hope we hear the hooter when we play the crusaders…

  • Comment 39, posted at 26.02.08 07:23:11 by try time Reply

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  • Maybe this is why we DO need John Smit. Having 2 experiebced quality players for a crucial position with a guy like Burden being developed as back up. Makes more sense.

    Come back, John :cool:

  • Comment 40, posted at 26.02.08 07:24:21 by yossarian Reply

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  • TT… we started terribly last year too… a few very lucky wins despite below par performance…

  • Comment 41, posted at 26.02.08 07:24:53 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • But yes Yos… depending on the severity of the injury… certainly a wee gap opened up for JS now…

  • Comment 42, posted at 26.02.08 07:28:54 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • This coming week will be a true showing of the Sharks’ ability if you ask me.

    Last year we had a below par start and we justified it by commenting on the humidity in Dbn.

    This weekend there will be no Humidity in Pretoria and we will have no justification for a below par showing.

  • Comment 43, posted at 26.02.08 07:40:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I am actually surprised at how true the saying is that “past results don’t show details”

    Do you all rememebr how much concern there was during the early part of last season? Look at these results and tell me if there was cause for concern.

    03 Feb 2007 Sharks v Bulls 17-3 Margin 14
    09 Feb 2007 Sharks v Waratahs 22-9 Margin 13
    17 Feb 2007 Sharks v Highlanders 23-16 Margin 7
    03 Mar 2007 Sharks v Crusaders 27-26 Margin 1 (Odwa and Ruan you beauties)
    10 Mar 2007 Sharks v Cheetahs 30-14 Margin 16
    17 Mar 2007 Sharks v Hurricanes 27-14 Margin 13

    Are we difficult to please or are we just a bunch of worriers?

  • Comment 44, posted at 26.02.08 07:58:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Great News this. :cool: :cool: 1 week is NOT a train smash.

    John Bishop of The Witness.

    Initial fears that Sharks scrumhalf Ruan Pienaar had broken his collarbone in the Super 14 game against the Stormers at the weekend proved unfounded, but he will miss this weekend’s trip to Loftus to face the Bulls.

    Sharks doctor Craig Roberts said on Monday that he had been concerned when Pienaar went down in a tackle and his chest was compressed.

    “He was in a lot of pain when he came off the field and we thought he might have broken his collar bone.”

    But Roberts said that Pienaar had suffered a bad strain of the joint at the shoulder and this would keep him out of the Bulls game.

    “It’s not serious and we are hoping he will be ready for the Blues game (in Durban on March 8).”

    The Sharks have a readymade replacement, both at scrumhalf and as a goal kicker, in Rory Kockott who had an excellent final quarter after replacing Pienaar against the Stormers.

    Coach Dick Muir also has back-up in the lively Charl McLeod, signed from the Falcons this year and one of the few Wildebeest players to emerge with any credit from the disappointing Vodacom Cup defeat to the Pumas on Saturday.

    Muir won’t be taking the Bulls challenge lightly

    Frederic Michalak, who started his Test career at scrumhalf for France, could also be used at the base of the scrum.

    Roberts said that props Pat Cilliers and Deon Carstens were making steady progress and should be ready within the next few weeks, while lock Steve Sykes, who turned out for the Wildebeest on Saturday, is over his shoulder surgery, but is short of match fitness.

    Muir said he would not be taking the Bulls challenge lightly in spite of their 50 point weekend defeat to the Crusaders at Loftus.

    “For the Super 14 champions to lose by 50 points is alarming but, if anything, that will make our job even harder on Saturday evening.”

  • Comment 45, posted at 26.02.08 08:03:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • There really is not going to be much in this game, I think it will be fairly close – as past results have been.

    The Sharks may well run the ball more attack a weak channel and hopefully score a few tries. But I’ll take an ugly 4-pointer over a beautiful loss.

    It would certain “ameliorate” the psychological blow of the Super 14 Final loss …

  • Comment 46, posted at 26.02.08 08:09:59 by hellbent Reply

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  • HB

    With you on that.

    The records don’t show how you won, they just show the final score.

  • Comment 47, posted at 26.02.08 08:13:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Looking at those scores KSA… I’d say ‘we set our standards high’…lol!

  • Comment 48, posted at 26.02.08 08:36:48 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    yip.

    Damn we won almost all of those comfortably, WTF where we moaning about?

  • Comment 49, posted at 26.02.08 08:45:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Morning all.

    I think we can afford to grant Ruan a well-earned rest for a few weeks anyway. :wink:

    Dont want to rush him back and everything.

  • Comment 50, posted at 26.02.08 08:50:09 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Goodmorning everybody… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 51, posted at 26.02.08 09:02:22 by Charlie Reply

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  • Hi Charlie!

    BF – agree with you on Ruan needing a few weeks’ rest. He isn’t looking sharp at the moment. Rory is a more than an able replacement.

  • Comment 52, posted at 26.02.08 09:05:05 by Nessa Reply

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  • If rumours are true that Scott Mathie is on loan to another team – who will be on the bench in case Rory is injured? If they put Charl there – who will play for the Beeste?

  • Comment 53, posted at 26.02.08 09:06:52 by Nessa Reply

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  • Hey Charlie! :wink:

    Nessa, Ruan is looking seriously behind the pace – just not decisive enough; and not the first time I have had my doubts.

    Watching Rory, its clear that he takes control of the game when he comes on – you can often see him shoving forwards away from the ball when he wants to spread it. Thats what i want in a scrumhalf!

  • Comment 54, posted at 26.02.08 09:17:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • BF – apparently on the Sharks website everyone is saying Dick has only mentioned Ruan’s injury. Do you think this is to keep Bismarck’s injury under wraps until the last minute?

  • Comment 55, posted at 26.02.08 10:24:57 by Nessa Reply

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  • Sandile Dennis Nxumalo.

    We don’t need to bring Charl in… Fred can cover scrummie

  • Comment 56, posted at 26.02.08 10:30:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nessa, I would think so.

    I have every confidence in our “sauces”. :wink:

  • Comment 57, posted at 26.02.08 10:31:37 by Big Fish Reply
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  • RD – thanks for that. Forgot about Sandile!

    BF – good to hear.

  • Comment 58, posted at 26.02.08 10:34:50 by Nessa Reply

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  • Who is reffing this weekend?

    PLEASE let it be Roos?

    The last time the Sharks played the Bulls Kockott had Roos eating out of his hand. More of the same this weekend please?

  • Comment 59, posted at 26.02.08 10:35:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Mark Lawrence.

    Roos is running one of the lines, though.

  • Comment 60, posted at 26.02.08 10:37:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • KSA – no not Roos!!!!!

  • Comment 61, posted at 26.02.08 10:38:10 by Nessa Reply

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  • RD – thank goodness for that. Love Mark Lawrence. :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 62, posted at 26.02.08 10:38:27 by Nessa Reply

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  • yeah – he’s not bad

  • Comment 63, posted at 26.02.08 10:39:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • RD – how come we have a South African ref for a game between two South African teams?

  • Comment 64, posted at 26.02.08 10:44:18 by Nessa Reply

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  • Nessa

    SANZAR only requires a neutral ref when two teams from different nations oppose one another in the S14.

    In a national derby the ref can be from any country though.

  • Comment 65, posted at 26.02.08 10:46:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Thanks KSA – that’s a bit stupid though – or am I missing the point?

  • Comment 66, posted at 26.02.08 10:56:06 by Nessa Reply

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  • I suspect the belief is that a ref from the same country will not try and favour the team.

    They won’t however appoint a ref from the Sharks to ref the Sharks though, but they will appoint a ref to ref the same team in which his brother in law plays. :wink:

    A nice little bit of history is Jonathan Kaplan didn’t get to ref many CC finals or Semi’s in the 90′s because he was a Natal ref even though he was contracted by SARU his union Natal. So when he moved to CT he cleverly registered with the Boland referee’s society rather than the WP society so that his appointments would not be influenced by WP’s involvement in the matches.

  • Comment 67, posted at 26.02.08 11:08:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA – well I don’t agree with that belief. Far too many refs in this country are biased towards the Bulls – well, that’s my take on it.

    I remember that brother-in-law thing. Damn cheek!

  • Comment 68, posted at 26.02.08 11:18:17 by Nessa Reply

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  • I told you it was a rumour!!!! :smile:

  • Comment 69, posted at 26.02.08 14:06:15 by Me2 Reply

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  • tch.

    Let’s see who runs out wearing the number 2 shirt on Saturday ;)

  • Comment 70, posted at 26.02.08 14:10:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • If Bismarck is definitely not fit, then we will HAVE to go for Craig Burden. Skipper has had ample opportunities and never impressed, his lineout throwing is a shambles.

    Concerned about Burden’s throwing but like others have already said, we will need to keep hold of the ball and not kick it out. Run the Bulls off their feet!! :twisted:

    The new laws seem to have resulted in a lot fewer lineouts in any case, due to the lower number of penalties (now free kicks) and the new direct from your 22 law!

  • Comment 71, posted at 26.02.08 15:41:02 by Villie Reply
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  • Agree, Villie… more scrums than lineouts now. And Burds scrums just fine.

  • Comment 72, posted at 26.02.08 15:43:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hey Villie – like your thinking! Don’t know how much Burden will enjoy more scrums either!!

  • Comment 73, posted at 26.02.08 15:54:01 by Nessa Reply

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  • Hey RD and Nessa

    I have no worries about Burds scrumming but as you say, Nessa, he might not be so happy about more scrums!
    At least his workrate is top notch and he is likely to be visible in the loose.

    My concern is more for the games against better opposition like the Blues and Crusaders. That is when we will need our first choice lineup available and Bismarck is a vital player for us.

  • Comment 74, posted at 26.02.08 16:10:15 by Villie Reply
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  • Villie – he really battled with his neck and shoulders to start with but it is getting better apparently. Don’t know which is the lesser of two evils for him at the moment.

    Sounds like (if Bismarck doesn’t play this weekend) he will be fit for the Blues game.

  • Comment 75, posted at 26.02.08 16:12:58 by Nessa Reply

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  • That’s good. Need Bis to keep Mealamu in check.

    Ness, are you getting this info from CB himself?

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