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What happened in Durban.


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news on 27 Feb 2008 at 07:30
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Willie Roos, the South African Super 14 referee, has come in for much criticism from Stormers’ supporters but André Watson, South Africa’s manager of referees, insists that he did nothing wrong in the Schalk Burger incident.

Sharksworld Note: I know we have different threads dealing with similar stories but I would like to post this article as purely an official review of what happened leading up to, during and after the sending off of Schalk Burger. And only becasue for some reason there is no video footage of the incident readily available.

SA Rugby Referees reports that in the match at Durban, Burger was given a yellow card following a scuffle and went off in a rage, gesturing and shouting at Roos who was the touch judge at the time and who had been consulted by the referee, Kelvin Deaker of New Zealand.

Roos had come in for criticism from the Stormers’ camp following his refereeing of the match the week before between the Stormers and the Bulls. They had sent in a complaint to SARU about his refereeing, There was clearly a lack of confidence in his ability.

The following can be deduced from the television evidence which was strangely scanty, not finding a different angle on what happened.

The Sharks were attacking. They were attacking from a five-metre scrum when Francois Louw of the Stormers tackled Ryan Kankowski who knocked on. This produced a five-metre scrum to the Stormers in the corner on their left.

They won the scrum and Luke Watson drove to set up a tackle/ruck from which Enrico Januarie cleared to touch. When Watson picked up and drove Burger went to ground with him. Johann Muller of the Sharks was to the right of the tackle maul with Brian Mujati of the Stormers opposite him. They were both possibly ahead of the last foot. Muller wanted to charge forward to Januarie but Mujati was in his way. Muller pushed Mujati who charged back headfirst at Muller who went to ground.

It was after this that Burger was involved. When the action is next shown, Muller is lying on his back on the ground with Burger hovering over him.

The referee stops play.

He then says to Roos: “Willie, have you got something there.”

The referee strides across the field to Roos.

Roos said: “White and Black players on the ground. No problems. 6 came up from nowhere and played them.”

(The Stormers wore white, the Sharks black. Burger was wearing No.6.)

When Roos spoke about the players on the ground, Deaker said: “I saw that.”

When Roos had finished his account which carried no recommendation, Deaker said: “Yes, I saw him. I’m going to yellow-card that player.”

Deaker said to Jean de Villiers, the Stormers’ captain: “Two players playing by themselves. Number 6 did not need to get involved.”

Deaker shows Burger a yellow card. Burger is indignant and says to Deaker: “What did I do?”

As Burger marches off he makes angry gestures at Roos, including twice pointing his fingers at his eyes and asking Roos in Afrikaans if he is intensely blind.

There is evidence to support what Watson says of Roos. He was asked for a report and gave what he saw, though “nowhere” may be an exaggeration. It was his duty to give the report. That is part of the assistant referee’s duty. He did not recommend the card. He was not asked for a recommendation as the referee had himself seen the incident.

Burger’s reaction was unfair. But then the Stormers had already expressed their lack of confidence in Roos. Perhaps that is what triggered the player’s reaction.

The question of the yellow card is a moot one. It is not uncommon for a player to get a yellow card when he gets involved in differences between other players. But there was one in the Six Nations that did not produce a yellow card.

Italy attacked down the left and Ezio Galon chipped towards the line. Mike Phillips of Wales fell back, knocked the ball, over his line and, under pressure from Gonzalo Canale, made the ball dead just inside the dead-ball line. Phillips, who plays rugby with a saturnine soul, looked angry at Canale. It was not the first time that he looked angry during the match. The referee whistled for a five-metre scrum to Italy but Italy’s replacement scrumhalf Pietro Travagli came running from a long way back. From the Welsh 22 he ran over the goal-line and the length of the in-goal area – all that way and then he gave Phillips a ladylike push.

It was childish but instead of a five-metre scrum to Italy it was a penalty to Wales.

Instead of a line-out on the 22 in Durban it was a penalty to the Sharks, which Ruan Pienaar goaled to get his side, trailing 10-0, on the scoreboard.

But Travagli was not sent to the sin bin.



44 Comments

  • Now what is the Afrikaans word for intense, as in “IS JY ________ BLIND” :smile:

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.02.08 10:09:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Salmonoid.

    I actually wanted to post that when I was posting the article but completely forgot about the article. :oops:

    I love the way F@##&n became intensly when translated. One of those lost in translation stories. :grin:

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.02.08 10:12:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA
    I was wondering if you used to ref with Schalk Hugo?

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.02.08 11:16:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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    Nope don’t know the name. Is he from the DRRS?

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.02.08 11:17:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • :lol:
    I also like the “intensely” blind part…

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.02.08 11:29:59 by blackshark Reply

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  • No, from the Boland, he progressed quiete far, I know he ran the touch line for a few A section Currie Cup games about 4 years ago but I dont think he actualy got to ref a CC game.

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.02.08 11:31:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Salmon.

    A bit above my level and after my time in SA.

    I have been in the Arabian Gulf since Nov 2001.

    As a 2nd/3rd Division Ref in Dbn I would run touch for 1st div matches (before it became the Premier div) but that is about it.

    In the AGRFU my claims top fame are Running touch for Khazakstan v Arabian Gulf at 15 and at 7′s I was one of the TJ’s in the 2004 Dubai Semi final between England and SA as well as the Final between Fiji and England.

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.02.08 11:42:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • just to clarify.

    I have been year for 6 years but return hom at least once a year and on average about twice. (Xmas and Jun/Jul)

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.02.08 11:43:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA – my daughter wanted to come over for the Grand Prix in April. Do you go?

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.02.08 11:54:18 by Nessa Reply

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  • Now why did I think that you were a top division ref over here – propbably because you are so knowledgeable.

    Ps.. Did you steal a few yards for us and turn a blind eye to our indiscretions in that SA vs Eng game. :wink:

    Was Borat doing live commentary in that Khazak game?

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.02.08 11:59:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • YES I GO :evil:

    Kette Pulled a Fast one and Now we won’t be going. :evil: :wink:

    We are going to Bangkok for a week, by the time I realised that it was the GP weekend I already had the Bangkok tickets in my hand. :sad:

    She Just smiled (as ever) and gave me the standard ” I thought you knew lovey” :wink:

    Women!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can’t live with them………….can’t get out of going to the GP without them………… :smile:

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.02.08 12:01:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Oh boy! :grin: Well going to Bangkok for a week is awesome!

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.02.08 12:03:56 by Nessa Reply

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  • Salmonoid.

    NO Borat, but similar trouble was caused.

    The match was due to be a RWC qualifier and once Khazakstan lost, they discovered there was no OFFICIAL IRB rep present so lodged a complaint. Even though they did not have any issues with any decisions by the ref Taizo Haribashi (spelling).

    It was then changed to being a NON qualifier.

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.02.08 12:05:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Yeah i am looking forward to going to the Bhuddist tiger sanctuary. :cool:

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.02.08 12:05:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Now you have made me jealous. Just love Tigers – and my daughter calls herself “Tiger” on the Sharks blog – but that’s a different tiger (the Tigershark).

    I have watched a programme on the Bhuddist tiger sanctuary. Think I will just go sulk now. Do you think Kette would mind taking me with in her suitcase? :grin:

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.02.08 12:08:56 by Nessa Reply

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  • One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble
    Not much between despair and ecstasy
    One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble
    Can’t be too careful with your company
    I can feel the devil walking next to me

    :lol:

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.02.08 12:09:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Chess

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.02.08 12:11:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • If you can, will you please bring my daughter a cub – she always asks me so nicely whenever the ad is shown.

    Are teams like Khazakstan, Saudi Arabia etc very passionate about their rugby or do they basically go throgh the motions realising that they are so far off from top tier countries.

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.02.08 12:13:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Do you think Kette would mind taking me with in her suitcase?

    27.02.08 12:08:56 – Nessa Edit

    Probably not, provided you can vacate the space once we are there. She will be only TOOOOOO glad to have extra space to fill in her suitcase while in bangkok. :lol:

    On her last trip she bought the girls these cute little dark blue Thai suits and traditional hats.

    The kids wanted to wear them for halloween and I (ever PC) objected. We have a large korean community on our complex and having two little ones trick or treating dressed as Little Vietcong lookalikes might not have gone down to well. :smile:

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.02.08 12:15:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The OTHER countries in the Asian region are passionate. Korea, Japan Thailand, Khazakstan etc. The Arabian Gulf is made up of players from the GCC + Jordan and Lebanon.

    The AGRFU team has no more than 5 or so players of Arabian decent. mainly French, SA, UK, Aus NZ etc.

    Once you have been a resident in the Arabian Gulf you qualify to play for them provided you have not played int rugby elsewhere.

    So in shorts the Arabs are not overly keen but there is a LARGE expat community that is super keen.

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.02.08 12:18:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Okay – point taken. So I can go with but I can’t come back – I can live with that.

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.02.08 12:19:35 by Nessa Reply

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  • Sorry the GCC is the Gulf Cooperative Council, sort of like the EU and is made up of.
    KSA
    Bahrain
    UAE
    Qatar
    Kuwait
    Oman

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.02.08 12:20:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • hehehe

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.02.08 12:20:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Maybe my hubby will miss me and pay for my return ticket home?

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.02.08 12:26:37 by Nessa Reply

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  • Amazing how some of those seriously rich Arabian countries are willing to pay other nationalities to sweat, and win medals, in their name.

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.02.08 13:32:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • ONLY if you are a Muslim though. :wink:

    The Kenyans who run for Bahrain and Qatar have all had to adopt islam and with that obviously change their names.

    You cannot represent the country if you don’t have a passport for that country. You can’t get a passport for any of the GCC countries if you are not a muslim.

    Don’t confuse the Arabian Gulf rugby with the likes of Japanes Rugby etc. The guys playing for the AGRFU are striclty amateur. They are in the GCC for work and happen to play rugby. there are regulart issues with guys not being able to get time off work for matches etc.

    No match fees, not even the envelope type of the old days in SA.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.02.08 13:40:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Pity I was thinking of selling Bakkies to you guys.

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.02.08 13:53:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Kette Pulled a Fast one and Now we won’t be going.
    We are going to Bangkok for a week, by the time I realised that it was the GP weekend I already had the Bangkok tickets in my hand.
    She Just smiled (as ever) and gave me the standard ” I thought you knew lovey”
    Women!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can’t live with them………….can’t get out of going to the GP without them…………

    27.02.08 12:01:37 – KSA Shark ©
    stop complaining KSA, didn’t have to take you along :twisted: how many times have I been without you already :wink:
    stay if you must, but you won’t be going to the GP without me either :twisted:

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.02.08 13:54:10 by KSA Sharkette Reply

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  • Sheez this woman drives a hard bargain. :wink:

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.02.08 13:57:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • http://www.tigertemple.org/Eng/
    can’t wait for the conference to wrap up so we can go play with the tigers

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.02.08 14:04:45 by KSA Sharkette Reply

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  • :cool: :cool: :cool:

    My Missus rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!

    She takes me to cool places. :wink:

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.02.08 14:07:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Kette – I will go with you!!! We will leave all these complaining men at home.

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.02.08 14:10:50 by Nessa Reply

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  • Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.02.08 14:11:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • And I am a first class babysitter!

    Sorry KSA – but a girl’s gotta do what a girl’s gotta do.

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.02.08 14:13:12 by Nessa Reply

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  • Hey if i stay and Kette goes the Girls will stay with me so you might need prohep not a baby sitter. :smile:

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.02.08 14:17:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Okay – I will send my daughter with Kette (as I probably will be too old to keep up) and I will go with you to the Grand Prix. Don’t think either of them will go for that one either.

    Think I am staying home … :cry:

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.02.08 14:20:17 by Nessa Reply

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  • :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.02.08 14:21:49 by KSA Sharkette Reply

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  • Do they have those beautiful white tigers there Kette?

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.02.08 14:23:07 by Nessa Reply

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  • heading home, time to think and make some choices it seems :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.02.08 14:28:28 by KSA Sharkette Reply

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  • HEY IIIIIIIIIIII Am the one going with!!!!!!!!!!

    :oops:

    please

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.02.08 14:30:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Kette – you go home, put your feet up, take your time and make the RIGHT decision! :twisted:

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.02.08 14:30:55 by Nessa Reply

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    seems like they do.

    http://www.tigertemplethailand.com/index.htm

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.02.08 14:31:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.02.08 14:32:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • If that’s the case – I am definitely going with. Have to see one of those! :wink:

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.02.08 14:32:34 by Nessa Reply

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