Morné

Let’s not get too excited


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content on 3 Mar 2008 at 17:00

Well done Sharks, it was a good win, a decent win but most importantly, a necessary win – just don’t get too excited just yet.

The finalists of last year met at Loftus the past weekend in what almost seemed a trivial affair given the hype that surrounded the final last year, and the bad form of South African sides so far this year.

It was still an important game though. For the Bulls it was extremely important given their hammering received at the hand of the Crusaders the weekend before – and for the Sharks it was vitally important to keep their momentum going and stay in touch with the leading sides in the competition.

There was of course, the revenge factor too given last year’s final result… But that was basically just important to supporters of the two franchises.

For me it was important that the Sharks showed what they are made of, because given the humiliation (and yes it is a strong word but justified) the Bulls suffered at the hands of the Crusaders, one can only hope they end up at the top end of the log at best – the Sharks however needed to show that they are real contenders – and to be frank, I am still not convinced.

The match against the Bulls (and I am going to go back to a piece I wrote last year on the Sharks) showed me more of where the Sharks fall short, than give me confidence of a semi-final birth later this year.

Last year, surprisingly, they seemed to follow a similar pattern. After the Crusaders match last year (where they scored an injury time try to clinch the match) I warned that the Sharks, although rightfully being stoked by the victory, should take note of their deficiencies because it is going to cost them.

Their next match (if memory serves) I predicted a Sharks loss at home to the Brumbies because those deficiencies I mentioned, were not addressed, particularly through selections – and I distinctly remember a certain RobD being very pissed off with me because of that prediction – well at least until such time the game ended in any event.

For me similar types of weaknesses or areas that need to be addressed were exposed in the Bulls match.

I maintain that the Sharks has arguably the best balanced side in South Africa, and given just a bit more time, even the ELV’s won’t stand in their way – that is of course unless they address a couple of issues I picked up.

The first issue they have little power over, simply because of player resources available to them. The injury to Bismarck exposed a major lack of depth at hooker for the Sharks and they should pray Bismarck will be able to play for the majority of this season – or front the cash to get John Smit back.

Also, I believe the loss of Ackerman is much bigger than most anticipate. The old man has played some of the best rugby I have seen him play ever in his last 3 games for the Sharks, and what has impressed me most, was his work rate – it was in my opinion the best of any tight forward in that pack and under the ELV’s, that is vitally important.

There are two more issues but they basically go hand-in-hand.

For some reason the Sharks, while constructing attacks seem to lose momentum at crucial stages. Not only while on attack, but for the majority of the time they spend on the field.

The type of possession they get should be used more effectively, yet I see more unstructured play from them than I see from the Stormers – somehow, somewhere, momentum or direction is missing.

I thought the injury to Pienaar might allow me to narrow this problem area down, because I believed Pienaar could also be the weak link in this, and it did. The Sharks are making a mistake to continue playing Barritt at 12. The kid has talent, no doubt, the kid has skill, no doubt, but the kid off form at the moment.

I never quite understood our coaches infatuation with not dropping a player not in form believing he will play himself into form – it is daft!

When the guy is off-form, give him a rest – hell it is no crime to lose a bit of form and no doubt he will get it back – but why persist with the player if he is clearly struggling?

What perplexes me more about this scenario is that the Sharks have a player that was rather successful playing at 12, at the highest level, in the most important competition in rugby less than 6 months ago – why not slot him in there?

I have made mention to a Sharks supporters that I would obviously not discard Barritt totally, neither would I throw young Steyn to the wolves or in the deep end, but in Steyn, Jacobs and Barritt you have 3 guys to rotate in what is fast becoming the most important backline position under the ELV’s.

A 12 that does not continue, or create momentum in attack nullifies any outside threats you have and in the Sharks case, Waylon Murray and JP Pietersen specifically. Momentum currently stops at Barritt, and that is suicidal when they will come up against tougher opposition or when they will go on tour.

So what to do with Pienaar, Kockett, Steyn, Barritt and Stefan Terblanche?

Quite simple in my view. First choices currently should be Kockett, Steyn at 12, and Terblanche at 15 – especially on tour. Muir should pull Pienaar close and ask him whether he would want to cover for Kockett, Michelak or Terblanche, and if Pienaar sees every week what I see I hope he decides Michelak or Terblanche. Muir should also pull Barritt closer, take some heat off him and play him from the bench a couple of games on tour, and even drop him from the match 22 completely allowing him to re-focus – he should do the same with Adi Jacobs and also be very clear to Steyn that although he has the inside lane, he is in no way assured of the 12 jersey and will not start every match.

Terblanche, being the old man that he is will also not start every match and for that both Steyn and Pienaar can cover him – depending on team dynamics and where Muir sees his players.

For me, Kockett to start every match, Pienaar to start at least 2 games on tour at 15 and at least one at 10 otherwise coming off the bench, Steyn to start at least 3 games at 12 with cover provided by either Barritt or Jacobs (who can cover 13 too) getting at least 30 minutes game-time depending on the match situation of course.

It does not help anyone, or any cause, to sit with so much talent and not use it. It also, in my view, does not help if you do not create a rivalry between players playing for the same jersey – in my view that is healthy, and necessary given I sense some complacency in the ranks.

When the Sharks did seem to retain momentum, they looked a class above the Bulls – it just does not happen often enough – and thanks to Bulls discipline, or lack thereof, the Sharks came away with the spoils – it won’t be quite the same this weekend.

The Sharks have their toughest test coming up this weekend against the rampant Blues, and the fact that the Blues are in their 3rd week of their South African tour might help the Sharks a lot, and believe me, I think they are going to need it if they do not address some glaring weaknesses in their make up this week.



234 Comments

  • PA

    Good article.

    I think I speak for most supporters when I say that we may be 3 and 0 at the moment and we ARE excited but we realise there is a LOT of work to be done for this Sharks team to get even close to where we need to be to make the S14 semi’s.

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.03.08 17:27:17 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • OH AND…….

    DP

    i agree.

    I will say it again in the hope that ONE DAY Dick Muir will see my comment and go with it.

    9. Kockott
    10. Michalak
    11. JPP
    12. Steyn
    13. Murray
    14. Ndungane
    15. Terblanche

    20. Barrit
    21. Jacobs
    22. Pienaar

    C’mon Dick just this once please?????????????

    03.03.08 12:16:00 – KSA Shark © Edit

    :wink: :wink: We are on the same page there

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.03.08 17:29:28 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Gah! :)

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.03.08 18:12:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • I knew you would likethe barrit bit :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.03.08 18:13:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • well, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, after all. I like to think I will be vindicated when Brad is brought back at 3 games.

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.03.08 18:15:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • i dunno about that. frankly, kockott pissed me off a bit this weekend, he tried too much on his own and conceded possesion a few times in that way. freddy got hardly any ball from kockott in structured play. you need to give freddy ball if you wanna use him. ruan needs to be there every game if he can. he is one of the most talented rugby players around, he will come off. he is way more talented than kockott.

    barritt, if i am not mistaken, got man of the match in the game against the force. on saturday he got hardly any ball as kockott was either kicking or going on his own most of the time. how much ball has he actually got in the last two games? not much.

    i would, however, like to see a bit more of AD, on attack he is one of the best around. i would rather start with murray and bring AD on, murrays defence is better, but perhaps bring AD on a bit sooner.

    i do have an issue regarding the loosies. maybe i am just not appreciating what he does, but i feel that AJ should maybe move to the second row. with the new laws, imagine a loose trio of keegan, botes and kanko. AJ can take ackers place in the second row.

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.03.08 19:20:46 by knersboy Reply

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  • spot on, knersie… Keegan at 6, Kanko at 7 and Botes at 8 is the loose trio of the future for the Sharks. AJ to partner Muller at lock, with Sykes alternating with him. Albert, Paddy and Deysel can provide some impetus coming on.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.03.08 19:30:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • we think similarly rod. i would, however, keep kanko at 8. i feel that a good 8 is like a hooker, takes a while to learn the skills, rather keep him and nurture his talent there, lets not move him around too much.

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.03.08 19:35:41 by knersboy Reply

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  • i mean robd

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.03.08 19:36:55 by knersboy Reply

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  • There’s only 15 men
    in the opposition’s team
    on the pitch.

    The Sharks should be able to beat any club
    anywhere,
    anytime,
    in any condition if they want to be the best team around.
    Excuses are for others.
    Get on with it.
    We’ve had three wins
    but have seen little to be excited about yet.
    COME ON SHARKS!!!!!!

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.03.08 19:54:55 by Duiwel Reply

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  • Yeah baby

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.03.08 20:24:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • Very true – 3 wins out of 3 but we have only seen flashes of brilliance. We need to string those together and the team will be awesome!

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.03.08 20:47:46 by Nessa Reply

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  • When last did the Blues actually win in Durbs anyway?

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.03.08 20:53:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • NOT LAST SEASON. : :grin: :

    gimme a sec and i will tell you

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.03.08 20:55:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • We were just talking about it and we have a pretty good track record against the Blues last year. Think we beat them home and away and in the semis. Different team now though.

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.03.08 20:56:26 by Nessa Reply

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  • Met a lot of the Blues players at ABSA after the round robin game last year. My daughter had a picture taken with Roco – think she more or less came up to his belly button.

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.03.08 20:57:57 by Nessa Reply

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  • Are they a different team? If anything, they have less big names this year. We beat them in 06 anyway

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.03.08 21:01:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • No RD – I meant we are a very different team.

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.03.08 21:04:00 by Nessa Reply

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  • I know it is going to be the hardest game we have had so far – but I do think we can win it.

    Don’t think I should go to Ellis Park the following week. We have never won at Ellis Park when I am there.

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.03.08 21:05:26 by Nessa Reply

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  • We won the matches in bold.

    S14 2007 Sharks v Blues 34-18 Durban
    S14 2007 Blues v Sharks 25-32 Albany
    S14 2006 Sharks v Blues 32-15 Durban
    S12 2005 Blues v Sharks 36-13 Auckland
    S12 2004 Sharks v Blues 26-37 Durban
    S12 2003 Blues v Sharks 25-16 Auckland
    S12 2002 Sharks v Blues 20-13 Durban
    S12 2001 Blues v Sharks 27-41 Auckland
    S12 2000 Sharks v Blues 19-30 Durban
    S12 1999 Blues v Sharks 6-12 Auckland
    S12 1998 Sharks v Blues 24-8 Durban

    Total games
    Played 11
    Sharks won 7

    Home games
    Played 6
    Sharks won 4

    Away games
    Played 5
    Sharks won 3

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.03.08 21:07:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • That’s what I thought

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.03.08 21:14:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • You see my message about kanko, ksa?

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.03.08 21:15:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • Yes, you see my reply?

    :wink:

    When you gonna interview Dick? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.03.08 21:19:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Yes RD – who are you going to interview next?

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.03.08 21:20:59 by Nessa Reply

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  • No, didn’t see your reply. Not sure Dick will talk to me. Ness, Rocket up first, then Kanko. Will see after that

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.03.08 21:24:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nessa

    His post to me above should give you a clue. :wink:

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.03.08 21:25:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Does Dick have a restraining order or is he just ignoring you?

    If he is just ignoring you there may be some hope………

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.03.08 21:26:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA – I think Dick is scared of him.

    RD – what about DC? I can probably organise if you like – or do you know him already?

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.03.08 21:29:52 by Nessa Reply

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  • Ok well it seems as if JP Nel is still arguing, MAAR EK HET NIKS VERKEERD GEDOEN NIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So i am going to bed.

    Night peoples.

    Sleep well

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.03.08 21:30:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Ag no man KSA – you can’t keep up with us youngsters??? :grin:

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.03.08 21:32:03 by Nessa Reply

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  • In your time zone i would. :oops:

    Rob should be instructed to saty up until at least 12 seeing as he only rocks up here at 10/11 in the morning when i am almost going to lunch already. :wink:

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.03.08 21:34:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Dc is a good idea. I love props. Will you ask him? I don’t know him personally

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.03.08 21:35:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Okay then – if you must. Sleep tight and don’t let the bugs bite.

    P.S. If Nel gets off again I am going to have an apperplexy (my father’s own made up word)!!

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.03.08 21:36:00 by Nessa Reply

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  • Sorry that wa ssupposed to be stay up until at least 12 so he can post a story on the suspensions. :oops:

    Night

    for real this time.

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.03.08 21:36:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I am always up till then, but there’s nobody else around!

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.03.08 21:36:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • :grin:

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.03.08 21:36:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • RC – okie dokie. Will ask him. On one condition – you call him Pieter Deon Carstens in your interview.

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.03.08 21:37:03 by Nessa Reply

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  • Night Ksa

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.03.08 21:37:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • :evil: 1 match for JP

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.03.08 21:38:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • From Keo

    Sanzar have missed the opportunity to drive home the message that foul play will not be tolerated by slapping JP Nel with a one match ban for a horrific spear tackle.

    The Bulls centre lifted Frans Steyn into the air, turned him vertically and released him, causing the young Springbok star to crash to the ground. It was the type of incident that could easily have caused paralysis had Steyn landed on his head, neck or spine, yet the Sanzar disciplinary felt that the tackle warranted no more than a single week in the stands.

    Making matters worse is that Nel is a serial offender, his latest trip to the citing commission coming just last week, where he was cleared of charges relating to the alleged use of a swinging arm.

    This time the country was looking at Sanzar to take strong action against the centre, but have inadvertently made a telling statement about how serious they are about ridding the game if serious foul play.

    Meanwhile, Jaco Engels has received a three match ban for punching Johann Muller. The Bulls prop cut open the Sharks captain’s cheek with a short jab that referee Mark Lawrence failed to see. But television replays clearly show Engels throwing the punch, without any provocation.

    Nel will miss the Gauteng derby against the Lions, while Engels skip that match and crucial tour fixtures against the Reds and Chiefs.

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.03.08 21:39:16 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Nigh KSA.

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.03.08 21:39:30 by Nessa Reply

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  • Ag no man!!! :evil: Think that stinks – but why am I not surprised?

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.03.08 21:41:12 by Nessa Reply

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  • Should have been at least a 2 match ban!

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.03.08 21:42:02 by Nessa Reply

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  • Bloody joke

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.03.08 21:42:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • They should turf that thug straight out of the game

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.03.08 21:44:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • Digby Ioane gets three weeks for the same offence just two days earlier and this plonker gets 1 week.

    Queensland Reds winger Digby Ioane was suspended for three weeks after being found guilty of a dangerous tackle in his team’s embarrassing 43-11 loss to the depleted Brumbies.

    Foxsport reports that Ioane fronted a hearing by SANZAR judicial officer Terry Willis in Canberra after being charged by citing commissioner Scott Nowland over a tackle on Brumbies backrower Stephen Hoiles in the eighth minute of the match at Canberra Stadium.

    No action was taken at the time with match officials not having a clear view of the incident but Ioane pleaded guilty to making a dangerous tackle.

    Willis found that the offence, with Hoiles tipped past the horizontal, was mid-range with an entry point of six weeks suspension.

    But, with Ioane’s previously unblemished record and remorse he showed over the tackle taken into consideration, he reduced the ban to three weeks.

    Sheez Nel must have a spotless record!!!!!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.03.08 21:44:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • RD – thanks for the chat. Now that I am seriously peed off – think I will also log off and call it a night.

    Have a good evening.

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.03.08 21:44:41 by Nessa Reply

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  • i agree with this article.
    I think steyn should go to 12, michelak could play 15 and is great under the highball but he has such great hands got to keep him at 10. i think barrit is good, but steyn just showed so much promise in this posi.

    9. kockott 10. michelak
    12. steyn 13. murray
    11. pienaar 14. JP 15. terreblanche

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.03.08 21:45:20 by cab Reply

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  • HOW TF am i supposed to sleep with this crap being dealt out ib SANZAR?

    but night anyway

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.03.08 21:48:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • :flabbergasted:

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.03.08 21:53:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The Bulls are worse with Nel in the side anyway. It’s karma

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.03.08 21:56:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • And Engels should have got more as well

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.03.08 22:04:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • Doh… what a numnuts… I didn’t realise Morne was PA or vice-versa… lol!

    Couldn’t agree more with your views in the article (as per norm)…

  • Comment 53, posted at 04.03.08 02:37:35 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Bryce :smile:

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.03.08 05:34:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Goodmorning everybody… :mrgreen:

    MorneN,

    Agree with most of what you said, but slightly disagree about the situation @ 12… (1) Although Steyn was successfull in the World Cup, the new laws suite him more at fullback, will have the same effect with minimal ball for the outside backs as he tends to just want to run over the first defender with every ball or either kick the ball away. Surely in Saturday’s match he was nowhere to be found as playmaker when he slotted in @ 12… Adi Jacobs rather fullfill this role with great success being involved in 2 of the last 3 tries…BTW, in totally leaving Adi out of the match 22 can create more problems for the Sharks as he seems to bring back spark in the Sharks backline when it counts the most :wink:

  • Comment 55, posted at 04.03.08 07:34:15 by Charlie Reply

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  • morne, what drivel. most the article has fact and makes sense but saying barritt has no form when he hasn’t been given much ball to use is grasping at straws. barritt has hardly had the opportunity to attack as either ruan, ryan, frans or michalak get rid of the ball before he can touch it. of the very few times he has touched it he has set up tries. in the first game his quick pass created the try for terblanche, and on saturday he set up quick ball which got odwa their first try in the game. And i may be wrong here, those are the only 2 backline tries scored this season by the sharks. so don’t let your infatuation with frans cloud your judgement.

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.03.08 07:35:19 by try time Reply

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  • otherwise you just rehashed what i have said for a while now, ruan is not a 9.

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.03.08 07:37:43 by try time Reply

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  • Charlie

    I believe (HOPE) that if Dick Muir goes with Steyn as his starting 12 then he will go with Adi on the bench.

    Barrit (IMO) is in the unfortunate situation that he will either start or not be in the match 22. I don’t see him as an impact player and Adi gives MUCH more option as a sub then Barrit does.

  • Comment 58, posted at 04.03.08 07:42:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA Shark,

    Adi are surely a very important player in the Sharks setup, no matter if he starts or play from the bench, my concern is that Dick Muir must rather introduce him like 5 min into the second half then wait till the last 15 to 10 min… ;)

  • Comment 59, posted at 04.03.08 07:47:35 by Charlie Reply

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  • Adi…. Ag i mean Charlie :wink:

    I tend to disagree a “little” an impact player can only make an impact if the other guys are tired. 5minutes into the 2nd half is to early IMO. 15-20min into the 2nd half I could do with.

    On one of the other threads a few days ago I commented that Adi did his job but was nothing spectacular during the CC when he started a match. Starting or even coming on earlier in the S14 will have the same affect. But with Adi coming on mid to late 2nd half he looks much better and has a MUCH greater affect.

  • Comment 60, posted at 04.03.08 07:57:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • i think charlie is adi. he always knows stuff about adi that we don’t. or it is adi’s mate who says what adi wants but cannot. hmmm. or he is adi’s stalker. like ice is sykes’?

  • Comment 61, posted at 04.03.08 08:05:51 by try time Reply

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  • KSA Shark :roll:

    Surely there is a difference when you start and play from the bench, but what if you have to adept to play 10,12 or 13 and being rotated through this different positions actually never finding your feet, I myself would just do the basics and nothing spectecular… :wink:

  • Comment 62, posted at 04.03.08 08:07:52 by Charlie Reply

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  • TT

    We all KNOW who Charlie is. :wink:

  • Comment 63, posted at 04.03.08 08:10:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Charlie

    we are spoilt in Dbn.

    We have three CHOICE 12′s to choose from and the fact that we all push so hard for their inclusion AT 12 in the Starting XV is awesome.

    BUT I am afraid it is going to take a LOT to convince me that Steyn is not the man who should start at 12.

    It is going to take even more to convince you that Adi shouldn’t start at 12

    AND

    I am afraid NOTHING will convince Rob (and it seems TT now as well) that Barrit should not start at 12.

  • Comment 64, posted at 04.03.08 08:13:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • TT,

    I wish I was Adi Jacobs, not many centres have his creative ability… :smile: I am playing inside centre myself and follow Adi’s rugby very closely, but surely no stalker, chat to him a few times when the Sharks played @ Newlands and find him quite friendly and surely very humble, BTW the players have access to all these blogs and read most of these postings, so they know exactly what the rugby public thinks of them… :cool:

  • Comment 65, posted at 04.03.08 08:15:14 by Charlie Reply

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  • KSA Shark,

    But out of those 3 inside centres, Adi will provide the most ball for the outside backs… :wink:

    Anyway point taken, we all have our own preferences… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 66, posted at 04.03.08 08:18:17 by Charlie Reply

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  • Chadi

    :wink:

    We don’t have a problem, Dick Muir has a BIG problem. Any coach who has three great 12′s and can keep them in one province for a decent period has done his job well.

    So far so good.

  • Comment 67, posted at 04.03.08 08:23:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA,

    Sharks are lucky, the Bulls would sell their horns and the Stormers would sell Table Mountain to have one our centres :twisted:

  • Comment 68, posted at 04.03.08 08:34:18 by Charlie Reply

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  • TT,

    No infatuation with Steyn whatsoever. In fact, struggling to see the hype surrounding him. That said, been trying to see the hype surrounding Barritt since last season.

    I told one of the biggest Sharks supporters I know that Dick would do well to slowly introduce Steyn into a position, not simply shove him in so I don’t know if my article makes you think otherwise but its not supposed to.

    The problem with writing opinionated pieces is that it is difficult for readers to see things or suggestions in the context that you are trying to put it. If I have to put into context the suggestions (3 or 4) I made here the article will end up being 10 pages long.

    Just quickly though, the context of 12’s and what I am trying to bring across to readers is compare our current 12’s (the best we have) with the top 12’s of the world, or in the Super 14 the Oz-mob and the Kiwi’s. Also, compare the roles these guys fulfill.

    I have been going on for years that the role of specifically 10 and 12 has changed dramatically. I have also maintained that although the term “playmaker” and Game-breaker” is bandied around quite a lot on blogs and the media, people get confused with which is what, the roles each has, and the positions those players should slot in to.

    I have probably been going on for 2 years that SA does not have a decent 12 for S14 level let alone test level because we have not realized, or identified just how much the game has changed and how it affected the roles of these positions.

    Just as I believe Barritt is no 12, I have maintained that Jean is not a 12’s arse, and I don’t believe I even have to mention Meisiekind.

    Simple fact is momentum is lost or gained on attack (hitting gaps) at 12. Momentum (phases and ball retention sucking in defenders) is kept on attack also at 12, but how effective you do the two different things and who your second receiver is vitally important.

    In the one instance (backline scoring tries) it is absolutely vital that your number 12, the guy with the 12 on his back should be the second receiver – in the second instance (building phases attacking the gain-line) it is vital that your ball-carrying loose-forwards fulfill the second receiver role – in South African rugby however, we seem to confuse the two – just as we confuse the roles of a game-breaker, and playmaker and where they should play.

    For us to have a world class 12 again we need to re-define the role of 12 and when I do that, I cannot see a Barritt or De Villiers in that role.

    What I did not even mention in the article, because it will never happen, is that if you want to see sparks fly, switch Barritt and Michelak around. But like I said that will never happen so why even mention it – the same as I have maintained that JDV should have been blooded as a 10 when he came onto the scene.

    As for Adi, just send him over to the Stormers thanks.

  • Comment 69, posted at 04.03.08 08:36:34 by MorneN Reply
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  • From the Supersport website – :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Ellis Park crisis: You’ve heard the one about people voting with their feet. The Lions and the Stormers played at home last Friday night — there were 43 724 spectators at Newlands and just 6 050 at Ellis Park.

    Caning the Chiefs: Congratulations to the Hurricanes for displacing the Blues as the team with the fastest bonus point of the season — 31 minutes 14 seconds.

    No joking matter: The Lions have three Van der Merwes in their squad — Heinke, Franco and Gert-Andries. As yet, no Koos.

    Mysteries of the Super 14 I: What was Danwel Demas thinking running outside the field of play while waiting for a pass from Wynand Olivier?

    Mysteries of the Super 14 II: Has anyone seen Kees Lensing? Remember him? The world’s most destructive prop when he played for the Bulls.

    Continued Mysteries of the Super 14: When is JC Fortuin going to get a decent whistle — or should that be have a decent whistle?

    Quote of the Week I: “The ebb and flow of psychic energy.” — He had to wait to Week Three but finally Murray Mexted, prompted by Ian Smith, got in his trademark remark.

    Quote of the Week II: “We’ve got a hungry Hore tonight.” — The inimitable Mex on the Hurricanes’ hooker.

    Quote of the Week III: “If you miss this I’m in trouble.” — Mark Lawrence to kicker Rory Kockott lining up a kick. Lawrence had awarded the Sharks a penalty right in front, blowing his whistle moments before Francois Steyn snapped off a dropped goal that went over.

    Quote of the Week IV: “Of course they go and fluff it up.” — Garth Wright’s “quick recovery” while talking about the Bulls.

  • Comment 70, posted at 04.03.08 08:38:03 by Charlie Reply

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  • MorneN,

    See this on Supersport website aswell… :roll:

    The Bok Barometer for Week Three:

    1. Heinke van der Merwe (Lions), 2 Adriaan Strauss (Cheetahs), 3 BJ Botha (Sharks), 4 Danie Rossouw (Bulls), 5 Johann Muller (Sharks), 6 Cobus Grobbelaar (Lions), 7 Heinrich Brussow (Cheetahs), 8 Ryan Kankowski (Sharks), 9 Jano Vermaak (Lions), 10 Jacques-Louis Potgieter (Cheetahs), 11 JP Pietersen (Sharks), 12 Jean de Villiers (Stormers), 13 Waylon Murray (Sharks), 14 Odwa Ndungane (Sharks), 15 Francois Steyn (Sharks).

  • Comment 71, posted at 04.03.08 08:41:10 by Charlie Reply

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  • morne i love harrassing you. you always respond with essays. now i need to take some time off to read your response.

  • Comment 72, posted at 04.03.08 08:44:54 by try time Reply

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  • Hi all – TT, then I am also a stalker of Adi. Just love him. Have met him many, many times and spent about half an hour with him after the game on Saturday where he very kindly came and chatted with my whole family. So humble and such a nice guy.

  • Comment 73, posted at 04.03.08 08:53:50 by Nessa Reply

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  • Mysteries of the Super 14 I: What was Danwel Demas thinking running outside the field of play while waiting for a pass from Wynand Olivier?

    Because Wynand Olivier always passes to the guy in row G perhaps???

  • Comment 74, posted at 04.03.08 08:54:16 by MorneN Reply
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  • JDV @ 12, the Supersport team could not have done worse with Wynand Olivier… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 04.03.08 08:54:38 by Charlie Reply

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  • Hallo Nessa… :cool:

  • Comment 76, posted at 04.03.08 08:55:26 by Charlie Reply

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  • Anycase, must be off – will check respones later. Cheers.

  • Comment 77, posted at 04.03.08 08:56:08 by MorneN Reply
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  • ok got through it. morne i think you are missing the link that has created the problem at inside centre in south africa. flyhalf. the reason sa has a problem at inside centre is we have had a decade of substandard flyhalves. this has meant that inside centres have had to adapt to make up for this inefficiency. barritt was good last year because butch did the crash balling opening up space for him. brad i think is battling with michalak, because i don’t think he sticks to the calls. also not much has been sent down the backline so far. as much as we hate it, sharks have been playing 10 man rugby this season. they need to sort out their confidence urgently. so what if it is humid in durban, the opposition also has to play in the conditions, and the sharks have been practicing in them for three months now. it is time for the backline players to wake up and earn their dosh.

  • Comment 78, posted at 04.03.08 08:57:57 by try time Reply

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  • Hello Charlie. :wink:

    Morne – in fact someone caught one of his passes in row G on Saturday right in front of me.

  • Comment 79, posted at 04.03.08 08:59:34 by Nessa Reply

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  • i see all the stalkers are online except ice. but i think she has heard steven is out of hiding cos ackers has left.

  • Comment 80, posted at 04.03.08 09:02:10 by try time Reply

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  • TT,

    “…brad i think is battling with michalak, because i don’t think he sticks to the calls…”

    Now this point is important – intelligent play factor, players need to adept to the situation and play what’s infront of them, surely if you called a move and there’s a gap you take it although the practice move needs you to pass the ball… :wink:

    Dick Muir is a believer of this style of play… :cool:

  • Comment 81, posted at 04.03.08 09:05:18 by Charlie Reply

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  • charlie, i know you are not adi as i have seen you blogging during a game and i haven’t seen adi with a laptop on the bench. but yes i agree adi is a great player. but i have watched him over the years and his best play has always been off the bench. he has never played as brilliantly when he starts. charlie you need to understand rugby isn’t a 15 man game anymore, it is a 22 man game. and as you have seen in the last three games it is the 7 guys on the bench that have shone. and that is because waylon, aj, barritt, ruan, ryan etc have broken the opposition with their defence making them slower for the speedster to tear apart. i am just unhappy that the presenters don’t see the important role of the super subs. i also see dick is looking at putting a more experienced bench in his line up and having the youngsters start. and look how well it worked on saturday.

  • Comment 82, posted at 04.03.08 09:09:02 by try time Reply

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  • yes charlie, but the french also battled with michalak. remember in the world cup michalak played better games off the bench than when he started. that is why i feel ruan should start as he and brad will compliment eachother nicely and adi and fred can come on to punish the tired opposition.

  • Comment 83, posted at 04.03.08 09:11:54 by try time Reply

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  • TT,

    Point taken, but I would like to see Michalak & Adi @ 10 & 12 for the last 20min or so of a Super 14 match… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 84, posted at 04.03.08 09:26:43 by Charlie Reply

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  • let me put it simply. both the blues and crusaders take a while to get started and after 30 minutes they start ripping the opposition apart. so why tire out your playmakers by starting them when they are needed to win the game at the end?

  • Comment 85, posted at 04.03.08 09:27:27 by try time Reply

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  • charlie, sorry my last response was a continuation of my previous post, that i forgot to post. not a reply to you.

  • Comment 86, posted at 04.03.08 09:30:43 by try time Reply

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  • TT,

    I know we are not them, but their playmakers are there from the start and they still won the match, but if this work for us let’s stick to it… :wink:

  • Comment 87, posted at 04.03.08 09:33:28 by Charlie Reply

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  • TT – I think the Crusaders like to let you think you have a chance of beating them. They dangle the carrot and then whip it away!

  • Comment 88, posted at 04.03.08 09:38:46 by Nessa Reply

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  • TT,

    We do have decent 10′s in SA – they are just never played AT 10!!!

    That is my point. We are playing the wrong players at 10 and 12, because we confuse the roles of the players.

  • Comment 89, posted at 04.03.08 09:39:35 by MorneN Reply
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  • agreed charlie. if you can’t beat them, adjust so can. i think the difference though, stems on what i said to morne, the kiwis are blessed with quality flyhalves and they take pressure off the other players also keeping them fresher because they pressure the opposition into defending. south african players go all out from the opening whistle and end up defending a lot more than they should. and we all know to defend is far more tiring than attacking.

  • Comment 90, posted at 04.03.08 09:41:08 by try time Reply

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  • Must be off again – be back later.

  • Comment 91, posted at 04.03.08 09:41:26 by MorneN Reply
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  • So Nessa, do you think we can beat te crusaders

  • Comment 92, posted at 04.03.08 09:46:28 by Alpha Male Reply

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  • Alpha – to be honest with you. Not if we had to play them this week. We are still having “moments” of brilliance – we need to string them together to be able to have any chance against the Crusaders.

    We definitely have the team to beat them – they just need to step things up a gear.

  • Comment 93, posted at 04.03.08 09:47:50 by Nessa Reply

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  • I must Agree nessa. But also, we do play for the moment, so i dont see anyone running over us this season.

  • Comment 94, posted at 04.03.08 10:00:58 by Alpha Male Reply

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  • it depends on the referee. crusaders win well when richie mccaw isn’t pinned. he plays past the limits and if the referees are strict he is less effective, weakening the team enough to beat. that is why sa teams in particular battle against the crusaders as we will always have substandard aussie refs blowing the game. pun intended. the same problem in tri nations. sa should insist on a northern hemisphere ref when we play the all blacks.

  • Comment 95, posted at 04.03.08 10:05:07 by try time Reply

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  • Ja I am still in some doubt about this Sharks vs Blues match. My head say Blues but my heart say Sharks. Will wait for the teams but I am thinking similiar then Knersboy. Thats the team that Muir should start.

  • Comment 96, posted at 04.03.08 10:14:05 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Alpha – I am not saying we can’t beat them – don’t get me wrong. As you say, one week and one game at a time.

    PB – funny enough, I think we have a good chance against the Blues this weekend.

  • Comment 97, posted at 04.03.08 10:22:09 by Nessa Reply

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  • i see a similar game to the one against crusaders last year. the durban conditions will limit the blues expansive play. we also need to look at taking scrums a free kick time. we should have the upper hand here.

  • Comment 98, posted at 04.03.08 10:28:08 by try time Reply

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  • TT you are right. The Cheetahs had two vaskoppe and scored from one. Thats the way to go against them, slow the game down.

  • Comment 99, posted at 04.03.08 10:53:11 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Mealamu’s lineout work also gets VERY dodgy if enough pressure is put on him. He doesn’t really like the tight stuff either, so Bissie will need to keep him very busy ;)

  • Comment 100, posted at 04.03.08 11:08:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • Thanks for an interesting article MorneN.

    I too have not been overly impressed with Barritt, although Steyn has not impressed me either.

    There is definitely a problem in that 9-10-12 axis.

    Kockott did lots of good things the last 2 weeks, but he also kicked and tried to break too often. I thought that we missed a trick in not releasing the ball wider more often against what was a ponderous Bulls side.

    KSA, Im not sure if Adi will rock if he starts a full game, but in my opnion to use the CC as an example is not quite fair as the standard of the players around him was lower, and a few of the players looked like their hearts weren’t in it.

  • Comment 101, posted at 04.03.08 11:12:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Fishy… was wondering where you’d got to

  • Comment 102, posted at 04.03.08 11:14:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hey Roberto – this is an exceptionally busy week for me.

    Always like to catch ole Morne’s articles though – pretty sharp for a Strompie. :wink:

  • Comment 103, posted at 04.03.08 11:21:32 by Big Fish Reply
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  • things happening that side, boet?

  • Comment 104, posted at 04.03.08 11:24:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hey Fish… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 105, posted at 04.03.08 11:24:55 by Charlie Reply

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  • Heya Charlie!

    Sort of Roberto.

    So many wrongs to right and rights to wrong.

  • Comment 106, posted at 04.03.08 11:28:51 by Big Fish Reply
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  • This match will defenitely be a clash of the titans… :twisted:

  • Comment 107, posted at 04.03.08 11:32:27 by Charlie Reply

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  • I always say a team only plays as well as you allow them to. Put pressure on them – and you stand a better chance of beating them. Let them do as they please – and you won’t stand a chance.

  • Comment 108, posted at 04.03.08 11:37:00 by Nessa Reply

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  • Chaps any word on whether Bismarck is fit to play on Saturday?

  • Comment 109, posted at 04.03.08 11:37:20 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Fish, you having another philosophical day? :-)

  • Comment 110, posted at 04.03.08 11:37:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nabbi reckons he is 50/50…

  • Comment 111, posted at 04.03.08 11:45:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • 04.03.08 11:45:46 – robdylan

    Eish……..

  • Comment 112, posted at 04.03.08 11:47:37 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • yeah… concerns about Pienaar, Jannie, Brad and AJ as well…

  • Comment 113, posted at 04.03.08 11:50:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • Jannie and AJ, oh no!! (let’s see if Rob bites….)

  • Comment 114, posted at 04.03.08 11:52:21 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Oh no – that’s not good news! We need a kickass team this week!

  • Comment 115, posted at 04.03.08 11:53:29 by Nessa Reply

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  • Always my good man, always.

    I reckon AJ is needed in the 2nd row – but we would do well to start with Botes, Daniel and Kanko.

    Will be a bit of a challenge stopping those big Blues loosies, but AJ hasn’t really been successful at doing that anyway.

    The other option would be to start the Deysel Engine, but Im not sure he is ready for that yet – club rugby up to a year ago is no preparation for the likes of Nick Williams and Jerome Kaino.

    I think we should use 2 quick flankers to try to nullify the quick ball they thrive on, while also allowing us to maybe exploit the gaps that the Cheaters found.

  • Comment 116, posted at 04.03.08 12:00:46 by Big Fish Reply
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  • don’t steal my thunder, fish… wait 5 minutes, please

  • Comment 117, posted at 04.03.08 12:05:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • KSA, Im not sure if Adi will rock if he starts a full game, but in my opnion to use the CC as an example is not quite fair as the standard of the players around him was lower, and a few of the players looked like their hearts weren’t in it.

    04.03.08 11:12:52 – Big Fish Edit

    We must be looking at it from different angles then. From this angle :wink: I would say if the players around him were of a lower standard then he should have shone more than he did. Use the CC BOKS (as i call them) the guys who play well in the CC and then everyone wants to make them Boks, Floors, Roets, Fortuin, Jersey Snatcher etc. VERY few if any of those will be (or are) great S14 or Bok Players yet they stand out at CC because the players around them are of a lower standard.

    Adi (AND I HAVE TO SAY BEFORE HAND I RATE THE GUY AS A GREAT S14 AND BOK SUB) didn’t stand out when he started CC matches. yet when he comes on as a sub he is phenomenal. IMO he is a great S14 sub.

  • Comment 118, posted at 04.03.08 12:17:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Adi is an impact player. I think barrat and Keagan (even though he had a cracker of a game this week end) also play better off the bench. Jacques Bothes was dynamite when he came on off the bench against the bulls as well. It was great because he is such a hard worker! he deserved his try

  • Comment 119, posted at 04.03.08 12:24:08 by Alpha Male Reply

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  • Fetchers and Fullbacks aren’t playmakers – they are more individual positions.

    As a playmaker, its very hard to make anything when you receive bad ball and have players around you who aren’t capable of finishing off what you create.

    That said, I do think he adds huge value off the bench too – Im not sure whether he should start or not; just saying we should view the CC issue in context.

  • Comment 120, posted at 04.03.08 12:29:37 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Big Fish,

    Very good point… :wink:

  • Comment 121, posted at 04.03.08 12:39:53 by Charlie Reply

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  • Take Steyns size, step and confidence to beat his player combine with Barrits natural centre instincts of hitting the gap fullout and his distribution skills (some superb touches incl a great tap pass to setup a try in the previous game)- and you have the perfect 12.

  • Comment 122, posted at 04.03.08 13:28:25 by cab Reply

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  • cab, so what we need is to do a spot of gene-splicing?

  • Comment 123, posted at 04.03.08 13:33:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • Fish,
    “Botes, Daniel and Kanko” not sure this combo has the balance to take on the Blues backrow with the powerful Kaino and 120kg tank Williams. Its lightning fast and would be interesting under the ELVs, but my gut feel says you still need at least one robust unit to be picked at blindside and if you are playing AJ at lock, it needs to be Deysel.

  • Comment 124, posted at 04.03.08 13:33:25 by cab Reply

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  • hehe rob, yip perhaps, both are good 12′s i suppose steyn can play 15 too, but he did look very good at 12 during RWC2007, probably the most linebreaks i have seen an SA 12 make…barritt is a better distributor but perhaps having a bigger player like steyn next to michelak one would be more effective?

  • Comment 125, posted at 04.03.08 13:35:33 by cab Reply

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  • but perhaps having a bigger player like steyn next to michelak one would be more effective?

    There is nothing “perhaps” about it. I believe it will be a proven fact.

    If only DM will read this blog and realise the mistake he is making. :roll:

  • Comment 126, posted at 04.03.08 13:44:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • lol, u reckon KSA.

  • Comment 127, posted at 04.03.08 13:51:23 by cab Reply

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  • :wink:

    I just hope DM picks Steyn soon.

    This Drum skin is getting mighty thin and I don’t think i will be able to bang it for much longer.

  • Comment 128, posted at 04.03.08 13:55:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • and the inside centre question continues. oh how great it is to be dick and john. loffie is praying for centres at the moment. i was thinking though why not free up those players to help sort out the wildebeest and put dick and john on the field. if dick can crash ball like he crashes his cars we won’t have any problems. :lol:

  • Comment 129, posted at 04.03.08 14:13:44 by try time Reply

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  • dick isn’t making any mistakes ksa. frans is simply not performing yet. nor is jp. let me put it this way. how many tackles has brad missed so far this season? exactly so why move him because his flyhalf isn’t giving him ball. adi comes on and makes some great runs when the opposition is tired and barritt is suddenly not on form blah blah blah.

  • Comment 130, posted at 04.03.08 14:18:59 by try time Reply

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  • I think in our first 3 games we’ve shown sparks of individual brilliance…but we’ve been let down by our execution.

    Against the Bulls we started badly but towards the end of the game our backs did well with the (wet) high balls. I just hope that against the Blues we’ll be more creative (less kicking)and that the ball will stick to the hands. I wanna see us switching play in the middle of our attack (Barritt!)…instead of being predictable because the Blues will be dangerous on counter.

  • Comment 131, posted at 04.03.08 14:19:48 by blackshark Reply

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  • so why move him because his flyhalf isn’t giving him ball.

    How much ball did Freddie get?

  • Comment 132, posted at 04.03.08 14:22:28 by blackshark Reply

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  • TT

    THAT is one of my points though.

    Steyn performed at the RUGBY WORLD CUP as one of the best #12 on show in the tournament. yet in Durban he is being played at 15.

    I will change your words slightly. “France simply CANNOT perform yet” because he is not being played at 12.

  • Comment 133, posted at 04.03.08 14:26:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • 04.03.08 14:18:59 – try time

    “dick isn’t making any mistakes…because his flyhalf isn’t giving him ball”

    Then who is telling them to kick and putting Steyn in the fly half channel so your Mr Barritt does get as much ball as you want him to?

  • Comment 134, posted at 04.03.08 14:27:14 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • blackie exactly. as i said above it is simply a matter of the sharks playing 10 man rugby and even the 10th man is not getting much ball.

  • Comment 135, posted at 04.03.08 14:28:08 by try time Reply

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  • This is getting ugly! :lol:

  • Comment 136, posted at 04.03.08 14:32:08 by Nessa Reply

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  • France??? :oops:

    Frans

  • Comment 137, posted at 04.03.08 14:32:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA – you are getting confused with Fred (France) and Frans.

  • Comment 138, posted at 04.03.08 14:33:34 by Nessa Reply

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  • Afternoon ladies and gents, can anyone confirm if Jannie Du Plessis played on saturday? I had him in my FL team and they say he never played? Although i got pretty ‘ammered during the game i seem to remember seeing him and he was in all the teamsheets?

  • Comment 139, posted at 04.03.08 14:35:05 by billy Reply

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  • dive pass, i am happy with brad at 12 as is. he is defending brilliantly and the magic 12′s can come on later to get the points. i don’t mind if he doesn’t get ball. let adi get it when brad has bashed the opposition up. i just think people should judge him on what he has done and not what he hasn’t. how can you judge brads attacking skills when he hasn’t had much ball to play with, but totally ignore the work he has done in defence.

    ksa frans played in one tournament for a few games and played well, now he must take over brads spot. i disagree by doing that we get rid of frans greatest skill, his boot. and we drop a great asset out of the team.

  • Comment 140, posted at 04.03.08 14:36:21 by try time Reply

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  • 04.03.08 14:32:39 – KSA Shark ©

    France…thought you were talking about Freddy ;)

  • Comment 141, posted at 04.03.08 14:36:53 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Try Time…is RobD paying you to say these things? ;)

  • Comment 142, posted at 04.03.08 14:38:42 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • DP and Nessa :grin: :oops:

  • Comment 143, posted at 04.03.08 14:38:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • he is defending brilliantly and the magic 12’s can come on later to get the points.

    Now were are getting somewhere. :wink:

    With that comment you seem to acknowledge that the “magic 12′s” score the points and that Barrit doesn’t.

    We can and will get away with that against the three teams we have just played because none of them are in the class of the Blues or the Saders. We can’t afford to play catchup rugby against the Blues or Saders.

  • Comment 144, posted at 04.03.08 14:41:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Oh and should have added in there.

    Adi and Steyn Defend brilliantly as well and as they are the other 12′s one or both of them should be the “magic 12′s” you refer to so why not start with Steyn and bring in Adi later. Then you have magic 12′s throughout the match. :wink:

  • Comment 145, posted at 04.03.08 14:43:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • ksa you are also comparing a frans on form playing next to butch, with a brad just starting a new season playing next to players not sending out the ball. not a fair comparison in my book.

  • Comment 146, posted at 04.03.08 14:44:05 by try time Reply

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  • Billy – Jannie started at loose …unless I wasn’t sober…

  • Comment 147, posted at 04.03.08 14:44:37 by blackshark Reply

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  • With that comment you seem to acknowledge that the “magic 12’s” score the points and that Barrit doesn’t.

    04.03.08 14:41:39 – KSA Shark ©

    ksa the only two backline tries this season have been set up by brad. so what are you smoking.

  • Comment 148, posted at 04.03.08 14:46:44 by try time Reply

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  • 04.03.08 14:44:05 – try time

    So we will never know unless we compare apples with apples and play Steyn at 12 now…

  • Comment 149, posted at 04.03.08 14:46:50 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • TT – part of me also says we should leave the WC out of this because Gutsy RK and Rookie FM are not exactly FdP and Butch…

    So-what should DM do? Try out the different combinations in a real match scenario? (Because I hope he did try them out pre-season)will that help us or hurt us?

  • Comment 150, posted at 04.03.08 14:48:49 by blackshark Reply

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  • adi’s defence is no where near brads. but re-read what i wrote above to charlie about adi and brad. i have covered all the points you have made and shown the holes in your argument. also frans has had three games and hasn’t been on form in full back or fly half position. so now you think that by putting him in at 12 he will suddenly start firing. dumb logic. play the guy who is doing his job and substitute him when he has battered the opposition.

  • Comment 151, posted at 04.03.08 14:52:19 by try time Reply

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  • TestRugby is screwed. They gave Bismarck 160 points for last weekend!

  • Comment 152, posted at 04.03.08 14:52:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • Trytime – the cheque is in the post, swaer! :)

  • Comment 153, posted at 04.03.08 14:53:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • BTW,

    IMO, Adi played in one match and had a hand or foot in 2 tries against the Bulls – Michalak & Botes… :roll:

  • Comment 154, posted at 04.03.08 14:55:30 by Charlie Reply

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  • TT

    he is defending brilliantly and the magic 12’s can come on later to get the points

    you are the one who said the other guys come on to score the points. i am just repeating what you said.

    As to who is involved in setting up a try is really a very subjective opinion in may cases. Just this morning someone said that Adi had a hand in setting up two of the tries on Saturday. It is all subjective.

  • Comment 155, posted at 04.03.08 14:56:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • TestRugby is screwed. They gave Bismarck 160 points for last weekend!

    :lol: Eish!

  • Comment 156, posted at 04.03.08 14:56:27 by blackshark Reply

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  • I see we have new BF’s here on the blog! :lol:

  • Comment 157, posted at 04.03.08 14:56:30 by Nessa Reply

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  • Charlie

    thanks for saying that again I was just trying to find where you said it this morning. :wink:

  • Comment 158, posted at 04.03.08 14:57:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • so now you think that by putting him in at 12 he will suddenly start firing. dumb logic…..

    No its not dumb logic, it is sound reasoning… the reductio ad absurdum of your aargumentis that if Johan Muller is playing baldy on the wing we should not move him to lock.

  • Comment 159, posted at 04.03.08 14:58:15 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • BFs?

  • Comment 160, posted at 04.03.08 14:59:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ha ha ha Nessa… BF’s :mrgreen:

  • Comment 161, posted at 04.03.08 15:00:15 by blackshark Reply

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  • Best Friends. :wink: (RD & TT)

  • Comment 162, posted at 04.03.08 15:00:37 by Nessa Reply

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  • #04.03.08 14:58:15 – Dive Pass

    OOps…typing too fast …No its not dumb logic, it is sound reasoning… the reductio ad absurdum of your argumentis that if Johan Muller is playing badly on the wing we should not move him to lock.

  • Comment 163, posted at 04.03.08 15:00:44 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • which two tries? do we have the right jacobs. but ksa my beef isn’t with adi. he is brilliant when he subs brad. my beef is with people wanting frans at 12 because he had a good world cup.

  • Comment 164, posted at 04.03.08 15:01:09 by try time Reply

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  • that if Johan Muller is playing baldy on the wing

    Hey… don’t call me baldy! ;)

  • Comment 165, posted at 04.03.08 15:01:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nessa,

    Brad Fans :?:

  • Comment 166, posted at 04.03.08 15:01:36 by Charlie Reply

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  • also frans has had three games and hasn’t been on form in full back or fly half position.

    [with raised squeeky voice] Because he isn’t a 10 or 15. :roll:

    Give Steyn the chance to play in the position in which he hhelped win us the RWC and then if he doesn’t perform I MAY agree with you.

    Play Brad at 10 or 15 and see if HE performs.

    I hate to do this but it is my home time. I WILL be back when i get home though.

  • Comment 167, posted at 04.03.08 15:02:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • RD – if the shoe fits … :twisted:

  • Comment 168, posted at 04.03.08 15:03:08 by Nessa Reply

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  • charlie those weren’t backline tries. (ok the michalak one was) but botes definately wasn’t. still one less than brad. but again i have no problem with adi and feel he should get at least 30 min a game to weave his magic.

  • Comment 169, posted at 04.03.08 15:04:44 by try time Reply

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  • Wasn’t Steyn at 12 for about the last half hour of the match on Saturday? Can’t recall seeing him do anything out of the ordinary in that position…

  • Comment 170, posted at 04.03.08 15:05:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • KSA, you looking for this…

    Agree with most of what you said, but slightly disagree about the situation @ 12… (1) Although Steyn was successfull in the World Cup, the new laws suite him more at fullback, will have the same effect with minimal ball for the outside backs as he tends to just want to run over the first defender with every ball or either kick the ball away. Surely in Saturday’s match he was nowhere to be found as playmaker when he slotted in @ 12… Adi Jacobs rather fullfill this role with great success being involved in 2 of the last 3 tries…BTW, in totally leaving Adi out of the match 22 can create more problems for the Sharks as he seems to bring back spark in the Sharks backline when it counts the most… :wink:

    04.03.08 07:34:15 – Charlie

  • Comment 171, posted at 04.03.08 15:05:36 by Charlie Reply

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  • 04.03.08 15:02:28 – KSA Shark ©

    I will hold the “Frans for 12″ fort while you are gone KSA…

  • Comment 172, posted at 04.03.08 15:05:39 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Before i go. TT

    Answer me this please. i will read the answer from home.

    my beef is with people wanting frans at 12 because he had a good world cup WTF??????? :shock: :grin:

    The guy is a WORLD CUP WINNING # 12!!!!!!!!! [there's that high pitched voice of mine again]

    WHY would you NOT select him ahead of a NON Bok 12?

  • Comment 173, posted at 04.03.08 15:05:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Thanks DP :lol:

  • Comment 174, posted at 04.03.08 15:06:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA votes for trying out different combinations till we find one that works…

    Who say we should stick to one plan till IT works?

  • Comment 175, posted at 04.03.08 15:06:51 by blackshark Reply

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  • BS – no, that’s what they did with JP and it took him about 11 games to shine – don’t think that is the way to go.

  • Comment 176, posted at 04.03.08 15:09:38 by Nessa Reply

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  • This was always gonna come up – we’re back to the “Where should we play Frans thing again”…

    I see that KSA and DP are already wearing their WWJD bracelets (as in What Would Jake Do)…

    …also have to be out,,,but will definitely be back from home.

  • Comment 177, posted at 04.03.08 15:10:15 by blackshark Reply

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  • And…I haven’t made up my mind on the matter yet… :???:

  • Comment 178, posted at 04.03.08 15:12:11 by blackshark Reply

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  • frans never was an inside centre until world cup and butch made him look good. and anyone looks better than jean or wynand. frans is a flyhalf as that is his original spot he wanted to play. he only decided he was an inside centre when sa was in shit in the wc and they needed him to fill a gap until cover arrived.

    and lets suddenly put him at 12 against the one team we really need to beat to get a home semi. that is the dumbest thing i have heard. change the spots where there are problems not find problems where there aren’t. sharks problem is frans not taking time on his drop kicks. rory/ruan not getting ball to the backs. jp not knowing what to do when he gets the ball.

  • Comment 179, posted at 04.03.08 15:12:40 by try time Reply

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  • I think this thread has a very appropriate title…..

  • Comment 180, posted at 04.03.08 15:12:51 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • I must say – it is a difficult one for me too. I have always liked Brad but feel that Frans is not happy at 15 and where else do you put him? You don’t want to be moving him around anymore as he is already looking unsettled – but you can’t leave him out of the team.

    Personally, I don’t think this week is the week to try him at 12 – too much of a gamble. A big game. Maybe against the Lions?

  • Comment 181, posted at 04.03.08 15:14:18 by Nessa Reply

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  • 04.03.08 15:12:40 – try time

    If Butch made Frans look good why did he make Brad look average in the Super 14 last year?

  • Comment 182, posted at 04.03.08 15:15:34 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Thanks BlackShark

  • Comment 183, posted at 04.03.08 15:15:36 by billy Reply

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  • in the world cup we played old rules. we played boring ten man rugby. we had a great fullback. we had a great flyhalf. this year we cannot trust stefan at 15. brad is doing well at 12 so no need to boot him out, so use frans where he is needed.

  • Comment 184, posted at 04.03.08 15:15:45 by try time Reply

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  • dive pass we must have been watching different super 14 tournaments. the one i watched the sharks made it into the final because of a great 10 12 pairing.

  • Comment 185, posted at 04.03.08 15:17:48 by try time Reply

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  • ksa jean and wynand were also part of the world cup party as 12′s? so lets replace brad with them.

  • Comment 186, posted at 04.03.08 15:19:45 by try time Reply

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  • Play the same backs/team… although I’d have Stefan over Ndungane on the wing and Botes over Daniels starting… no need to change things…

    Only real problem is with Ackers… and if those rumours about AJ and Bismarck are true…

  • Comment 187, posted at 04.03.08 15:23:34 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • nessa because your son is unhappy with his spiderman figurine do you give him your daughters favourite barbie? if frans doesn’t like full back then he must wait for brad to leave. frans needs to realise that he has the skill needed to be a great fullback, if he is going to let petty sulks spoil his rugby then that shouldn’t be brads problem. (b4 i get whines, i am not sure if frans is sulking, but he is definately playing like he is)

  • Comment 188, posted at 04.03.08 15:24:52 by try time Reply

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  • nessa but i do agree that this is definately not the game to fix something that ain’t broke.

  • Comment 189, posted at 04.03.08 15:26:50 by try time Reply

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  • Brad was solid and looked no different at 12 last year then he does this year….but as Charlie has said before 12 is not a place for solid but unspectacular players. If one looks at 12, other then “bash-it-up the middle” 1990s – it is the position of the play maker, which is why so many 10s have found themselves in the position. Dick Muir himself was a converted 10 playing at 12.

    Why does Dick not use attack plans that involve Barrit more in attack, because Muir doesn’t see him as an attack option but is trying to use play-makers around him to create the attack, this in turn is part of the problem of the Sharks disjointed attack – attacking for the wrong positions.

  • Comment 190, posted at 04.03.08 15:27:12 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • It is so nice to see Sharkies arguing amongst themselves because of something a Strompie wrote (thanks Fish)! Chaos, mayhem… my work here is done… :twisted:

    TT,

    This one line: i disagree by doing that we get rid of frans greatest skill, his boot

    Dont you think the most valuable asset a 12 need to have these days is a decent boot? It is almost non-negotiable these days.

    I must go look for an article I wrote on play-makers and game-breakers some time back – becuase if we are not on the same page with regards to how we see positions, we will never agree on who plays in those positions.

  • Comment 191, posted at 04.03.08 15:27:27 by MorneN Reply
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  • :?: Billy, why do I have this sneaky suspicion that you’ll be able to tell me more about that penguin on the pic up top…

  • Comment 192, posted at 04.03.08 15:28:20 by Namboer Reply

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  • TT – it doesn’t work like that. It’s not a case of him not liking fullback – it isn’t the right place for him. Now don’t get testy with me!!! :evil:

  • Comment 193, posted at 04.03.08 15:32:05 by Nessa Reply

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  • “nessa because your son is unhappy with his spiderman figurine do you give him your daughters favourite barbie?”….again you are missing the real question who is better 12….just because Frans is more talented then Brad and can play at 10 to 15 does not mean that he should be satisfied with a position which is not his optimum and clearly he is now in fact under performing at 15 when he was over-achieving at 12.

  • Comment 194, posted at 04.03.08 15:32:51 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Thank you Dive Pass! Why should Frans settle for spiderman when he can OWN barbie?

  • Comment 195, posted at 04.03.08 15:35:57 by Nessa Reply

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  • Barbie wears Franna Jammies.

  • Comment 196, posted at 04.03.08 15:37:08 by MorneN Reply
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  • 04.03.08 15:35:57 – Nessa

    TT has a thing for super heroes ;) but he seems to be forgetting our WC superhero….

  • Comment 197, posted at 04.03.08 15:39:21 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • I am off till much later – cheers all.

  • Comment 198, posted at 04.03.08 15:40:15 by MorneN Reply
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  • I think it’s pretty clear that the Sharks are the best SA team in the 2008 Super 14.

  • Comment 199, posted at 04.03.08 15:42:15 by walter Reply

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  • TT, you watch too much rofstoei… :roll:
    ;)

  • Comment 200, posted at 04.03.08 15:45:56 by Namboer Reply

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  • DP – just after the WC various rugby selectors said that Frans had such a natural talent and that they hoped that the Sharks would nurture him and not move him around too much – because we would either spoil him for good – or he would leave and join a team that would play him in the right place.

    I am not saying for one minute that Dick shoud dance to Fans’ tune and that he should play wherever he wants – but I do think that he is really looking out of sorts and not looking like the player we saw in the WC where Jake encouraged him to play his natural game.

  • Comment 201, posted at 04.03.08 15:48:15 by Nessa Reply

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  • walter – you are a good man! ;)

    Welcome to sharksworld. I have done the necessary, so any time you want to write something, please feel free.

    I’ll forward on a document about how our authoring platform works.

  • Comment 202, posted at 04.03.08 15:48:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hi Walter! Welcome.

  • Comment 203, posted at 04.03.08 15:50:01 by Nessa Reply

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  • morne i don’t recall stephen brett, benson stanley, brad or nonu kicking at all over the weekend. and the hurricanes crasaders and blues all won comfortably this weekend, so what are you saying. it does not make sense. if the top teams inside centres aren’t kicking the ball where does your great insight come from?

  • Comment 204, posted at 04.03.08 15:51:19 by try time Reply

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  • Hi Walter…you’re going to be a new author on here? Good, just don’t let Rob talk you into writing articles about how good Brad is at 12 ;)

  • Comment 205, posted at 04.03.08 15:54:14 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • ok i am going home. i know dick is not going to move brad unless he gets injured, so i don’t care where people want frans. as long as adi and brad keep setting up tries and we beat the blues who cares about the rest.

  • Comment 206, posted at 04.03.08 15:55:40 by try time Reply

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  • I’ll write that article myself, thank you very much ;)

  • Comment 207, posted at 04.03.08 15:56:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • Bye TT. :grin:

  • Comment 208, posted at 04.03.08 15:57:15 by Nessa Reply

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  • cheers ness.

  • Comment 209, posted at 04.03.08 15:58:29 by try time Reply

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  • Bye TT……I was going to make a comment about Brad not setting up enough tries but I thought better of it ;)

  • Comment 210, posted at 04.03.08 15:59:30 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • I’m a Lions supporter…Rob invited me to keep you guys feet on the ground…

  • Comment 211, posted at 04.03.08 16:02:19 by walter Reply

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  • Walter – great stuff! Us Sharks supporters are fighting amongst ourselves today.

    Lions are my 2nd South African team. They were robbed last week!

  • Comment 212, posted at 04.03.08 16:03:39 by Nessa Reply

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  • Ah the famous Walter of the Lions website….great site.

  • Comment 213, posted at 04.03.08 16:03:52 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • A 12 should definitely be able to be a back-up to your 10 – and he should be able to kick too.

    Most of the top 12′s can kick – and Nonu plays wing and 13 for the vast majority of the time. Brad can kick – used to kick for poles at school; not sure why he doesnt kick much now.

    I am not sure that Frans will rock at 12, but he is not rocking at 15, and neither is Brad rocking at 12 – and its not because of a lack of ball, though that does play apart.

    I think the issue is not clear-cut, and hence there can be so much debate.

  • Comment 214, posted at 04.03.08 16:06:06 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Yes Dive Pass, that’s me. Hopefully I can keep you informed about the happenings in the Lion camp.

  • Comment 215, posted at 04.03.08 16:06:38 by walter Reply

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  • Brad was carrying an ankle injury, which limited his kicking. Not sure to what extent that has cleared up.

  • Comment 216, posted at 04.03.08 16:10:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • Walter care to put your life in your hands and suggest a number 12 for the Sharks?

  • Comment 217, posted at 04.03.08 16:13:07 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • I think Frans should stay at 15 for now..and just get the confidence to run some of the ball he gets. I think if you can break the 1st line there are lots of gaps for attacking fullbacks. Unfortunately at the moment all our fullbacks are kicking the ball away.

  • Comment 218, posted at 04.03.08 16:14:21 by walter Reply

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  • Okay people – going home. Chat later.

  • Comment 219, posted at 04.03.08 16:17:59 by Nessa Reply

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  • I think we should play Keegan Daniel at 12.

    He might not be big enough for flank, but he is a strong lad able to break tackles and stop the big lads dead.

    He has plenty of pace, can step, and has excellent ball skills.

    In addition, your 12 is very often the first guy at the breakdown, so having good ground skills is a massive bonus.

    I haven’t seen him kick much, but if you look at how well they taught JPP to kick, I reckon he can also be upskilled in that direction.

    … Cos Big Fish said so…

  • Comment 220, posted at 04.03.08 16:19:46 by Big Fish Reply
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  • No Walter that’s wasn’t the right answer…sorry….you could have made it into the “Frans for 12″ fort with all its glories and wealth but now your in the company of Rob, TT and that Dick Muir fellow (although I think Rob wouldn’t even have Steyn at 15).

  • Comment 221, posted at 04.03.08 16:21:50 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Correct. I am a “Steyn in 22″ fan these days ;)

    Remember how he cost us the Super 14 last year?

  • Comment 222, posted at 04.03.08 16:30:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • Isa Nacewa is out.

  • Comment 223, posted at 04.03.08 16:42:43 by MorneN Reply
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  • True. Huge loss for them

  • Comment 224, posted at 04.03.08 16:59:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • i say we must pray for a damn hot day in durbs and hope the blues play expansive rugby
    then tackle the shit outa them and 2nd half go and win the match

  • Comment 225, posted at 04.03.08 18:17:16 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • i reckon the humidity might just be the help we need

  • Comment 226, posted at 04.03.08 18:18:45 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • ksa jean and wynand were also part of the world cup party as 12’s? so lets replace brad with them.

    04.03.08 15:19:45 – try time Edit

    Well the one wasn’t really part of the squad and actually neither was the other one. How much playing time did Olivier have.

    Steyn Played in almost every match.

  • Comment 227, posted at 04.03.08 18:19:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • DP
    Well said and I will add to the end of it. I won’t be popular for it but anyway.

    ….just because Frans is more talented then Brad and can play at 10 to 15 does not mean that he should be satisfied with a position which is not his optimum …..and in so doing make space for a player that is of a standard way below Steyn at 10, 12 or 15.

  • Comment 228, posted at 04.03.08 18:27:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • true but my you missed the point. just because they were part of the world cup winning squad doesn’t give you a golden ticket to where you want to go when you arrive back at the union that pays your salary. especially if you only got the 12 position because the number one center was injured.

  • Comment 229, posted at 04.03.08 18:31:23 by try time Reply

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  • No Walter that’s wasn’t the right answer…sorry…

    04.03.08 16:21:50 – Dive Pass Edit

    Yeah i agree, i always thought Walter knew his Rugby and here he caomes and blows anything I thought about him out the water. :wink:

  • Comment 230, posted at 04.03.08 18:35:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • oh no… another round, I see

  • Comment 231, posted at 04.03.08 18:38:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • Isa Nacewa is out.

    04.03.08 16:42:43 – MorneN Edit

    PA you really should pop in more often :wink:

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2008/03/02/nacewa-wont-be-playing-in-durban/

  • Comment 232, posted at 04.03.08 18:38:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I had to take the family shopping so i am just catching up :smile:

  • Comment 233, posted at 04.03.08 18:40:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • would rather give them Nacewa back if we can also have Bismarck fit.

  • Comment 234, posted at 04.03.08 18:44:29 by robdylan Reply
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