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So what now, bully boys?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Super 14 on 3 Mar 2008 at 12:12

Outplayed, outwitted and outmuscled, the men from Pretoria are starting down the barrel of a very big gun as they aim to live up to their status as defending champions of the Super 14 trophy.

Rocked by the departure of the core of their team, their talismanic coach and injuries to their game-breakers, the Vodacom Bulls look a poor shadow of the team that marched so emphatically to glory in last year’s competition. Let’s have a look at the lessons that the Bulls have (hopefully) learned and will try to rectify, in an attempt to improve on what is already looking like an annus horriblis in this most demanding of competitions.

1 ) When replacing your coach, aim for the best. Heyneke Meyer put some great systems in place and had a solid team of men working alongside him. In the interests of continuity, one of these men should have been handed the reigns. If a new start was desired, then they should have brought in a coach who had proven himself at this level. Frans Ludeke won only 3 games out of 24 as Cats coach. He was NOT the right man to appoint, even if he does speak impeccable Afrikaans!

2 ) The new laws require a new approach. Playing the same boring game, getting beaten, then whining in the press about how unfair the law changes are is not going to get you any higher up the log. It also doesn’t win you any friends. Adapt or die, chaps… Darwin was right!

3 ) Cut out the thuggery. JP Nel isn’t a rugby player – he’s a street fighter. He has been living on the wrong side of the law for years and getting away with it. On Saturday, his indiscretions caught up with him and it cost you the game. News flash: he’s also not a very good centre. You can’t carry this guy anymore. Get rid of him. Introduce a zero-tolerance policy regarding on-field foul play. Make an example of Nel and Engels and cut out the rot. You will play better rugby if you concentrate on the game, rather than the fight.

4 ) Get rid of the players who don’t want to be there. The Bulls have enough of a mountain to climb without having to carry reluctant prima donnas like Bakkie Botha (and now possibly Danie Rossouw) with them. Rule of thumb – if the guy isn’t prepared to die for the jersey, let him go. The Bulls could do very well out in the market with what they’re currently paying Botha. Lots of retreaded no 7 flankers looking for a berth at number 4…

5 ) Get a proper hooker in. Kuün has a big mouth, but he is not a hooker. Go and BUY Hanyani Shimange, for God’s sake, or Ethiene Reyneke, or anyone else to fill the void until you can get Chilli back on the field. Where’s your succession, planning, by the way? We have heard for years that the Bulls have such great depth and they win every trophy at junior level. Why are those guys not making the step up?

6 ) Fix your loose trio. Pace is the new black, remember? Pedrie Wannenburg, Hilton Lobberts and Danie Rossouw are locks. Wikus is ok, but get in some pacy flankers, with vision and skill. Maybe our friend Derick K should get another look-in at number 6, with Wikus at 7 and Stegmann at 8? Might be the best you can do with the limited resources you have available, but again, I ask, where is the youth coming through?

7 ) The only playmaker you have in your backline is at scrumhalf. Neither Hougaard nor Steyn has what it takes to play flyhalf now… but Fourie du Preez does. Trust him as your backline general. Adams is a better scrumhalf under the new laws anyway, so get him to feed du Preez and watch the magic start. Give someone else the captaincy – it is ruining Fourie’s game!

8 ) Wynand Olivier is useless. Drop him hard and don’t catch him when he bounces. He never passes, has terrible hands and even worse vision. Nobody falls for his dummies anymore – they know that the only person he would ever contemplate passing to is the touch judge! Get Morne Steyn in at 12 as a stopgap and then offer Andries Strauss even half of Wynand’s massive paycheck. Instant ROI guaranteed.

9 ) Play Habana at 13, with Mametsa and Ndungane on the wings, but work with these guys to get their handling sharp. Even Demas is somebody you can work with, but you need to do the work, not call him a “fokken kwota” and drop him after one bad game. Face it, guys, you haven’t done any work at all developing outside backs, because Habana is naturally gifted and your game plan negates the need for them. Get a proper backline coach in to work with what you’ve got.

10 ) Readjust your objectives for the season. You ain’t gonna retain this cup… you need to concentrate on rather not getting snotted every week. Cut out the dead wood, get the youngsters in and back them to deliver, even if they fail at first. Build a new Bulls culture, based on players that want to wear the blue jersey with pride (and not get it covered in the blood of their opponents). Embrace the new laws and pick the right players to exploit them, while at he same time having a good look at your procurement and succession planning.

Good luck, Bulle! You’re going to need it.



74 Comments

  • Latest on IOL, courtesy the inimitable Vata Ngobeni, proof that their is intelligent life in Pretoria ;)

    “The eagerly awaited return of Springbok loose forward Pierre Spies to rugby could be delayed by as much as four weeks.”

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.03.08 12:14:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Bulls surely wish that Heyneke Meyer had kept Adi Jacobs in Bulls country, but he knew for the better… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.03.08 12:20:09 by Charlie Reply

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  • I love this article, all true n to the bone, only the Pretoria people are too thick to see it.
    Their senior players that are left are playing badly, NEL is n drol and Olivier, o well i have said enough about him.
    Go for broke Bulls, fire your coach, another relic of old rugby and play a more open and expansive game, get a batter attitude because that agro crap doesnt work, it only works at school level

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.03.08 12:21:45 by djgap Reply

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  • exactly. The game has changed and the Bulls now need to catch up

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.03.08 12:23:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • they couldve played adi jacobs at 10 with these new rules right now

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.03.08 12:24:30 by djgap Reply

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  • Please leave Shimange where he is thank you very much, if Fridays game is anything to go buy he will be in good form by the time the CC starts.

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.03.08 12:24:48 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • good one Rob…but wasted here…rather put it in an envelope & post it to the CEO…he is more likely to read it that way…and boy, does he NEED to read it! :lol:

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.03.08 12:30:31 by Me2 Reply

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  • Bulls wouldn’t buy him anyway.

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.03.08 12:31:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • Its is in the incorrect language M2 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.03.08 12:32:07 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • Boet Fick and his pals ain’t gonna listen to me. Maybe I must use my new “undercover” journalistic contact and get it printed in Rapport ;)

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.03.08 12:40:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • Its is in the incorrect language M2

    03.03.08 12:32:07 – provincejoulekkading

    WHY :?:

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.03.08 12:40:31 by Me2 Reply

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  • RD – Like the article. I quite like Demas. Great 7′s player and lots of pace.

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.03.08 12:44:00 by Nessa Reply

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  • :lol: @ Rob :!:

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.03.08 12:46:48 by Me2 Reply

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  • Demas actually had me a bit worried… he’s bloody fast. Just the hands need some work.

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.03.08 12:53:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • Me2, I kid you not.

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.03.08 12:53:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob, as an out and out Sharks fan, what the hell are you doing giving the Bulls such sage advice? Not to sound ugly, but they beat the Sharks in the S14 final last year, I don’t buy that crap that when Bulls and WP rugby is strong, SA rugby is strong. Bokke won the RWC because of the Sharks :-)

    Enough of this nonsense now, you don’t want them to read this do you????

    Damn!

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.03.08 13:01:39 by hellbent Reply

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  • they won’t find their way here anyway…

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.03.08 13:09:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • Relax – hellbent :wink:
    Not a single Bull will want to even see the word “Shark” for the next year..let alone come on a site called “Sharksworld” :lol:

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.03.08 13:31:21 by Me2 Reply

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  • replacement hookerfor the sharks was very good, craig burden i think, he threw in straight and ran like a MF

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.03.08 13:33:44 by djgap Reply

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  • djgap – you will like the interview that’s going up a bit later today ;)

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.03.08 13:40:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • rob whats a “kwota”? :wink:

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.03.08 13:52:36 by try time Reply

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  • Point no.1 is as far as u need to go… Ludeke should never have been appointed. The Bulls had even made a fan out of me, a WP supporter, last season.

    Btw Rob, how did those predictions work out for your SuperBru? :wink:

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.03.08 13:54:52 by Ghost10 Reply

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  • I am now up in 7th possie, thanks Ghost10.

    TT… don’t go there ;)

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.03.08 13:55:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • Superbru??

    What is that? :evil:

    ….as you may notice Kette kicked my arse at Superbru this weekend :sad: Thinks she wears the pants in the house now. :roll:

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.03.08 14:03:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • lol KSA… this week’s games are gonna be incredibly tough to call though. Thanks for the WordPress stuff, btw.

    I seem to be on a bit of a hot streak right now… top of the pool in SuperBru, and 2nd globally in fantasy league… think I’ll try my luck at the lotto this week!

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.03.08 14:11:04 by Ghost10 Reply

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  • KSA – no, she doesn’t “think” she wears the pants, she “knows” she wears the pants! :wink:

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.03.08 14:13:19 by Nessa Reply

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  • Ghost

    Pleasure on the wordpress stuff.

    I must own up that I didn’t look at your picks. ( Heaven only knows why not.)

    It seems Kette certainly knows a good pick when she sees one.

    Oh and BTW it is Sharksworld policy that you have to publish your lotto picks here as well. :wink:

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.03.08 14:14:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Nessa

    :evil:

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.03.08 14:15:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Sorry – couldn’t resist! :grin:

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.03.08 14:17:15 by Nessa Reply

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  • Although I do tend to like those tiny pants she wears. :cool: :cool:

    Interesting story for which i am probably gonna get a smack upside the head when I get home.

    Last week at half time Kette changed into her sleeping clothes and happened to put on a nice little black pair of pants. AND WE WON.

    Half time this week, said pair of pants came out the drawer and Voila we won……….

    Hey i don’t mind if she wears the pants and it works out like that every week. :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.03.08 14:18:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • i dont know about outmuscled, in fact i remember a certain mr dylan saying around 60 mins ‘we’re going to lose this’ :wink:
    all credit to sharks, but they could quite easily have lost that game.

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.03.08 14:21:52 by cab Reply

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  • CAB

    Kette was also laughing at Robs about turn at the end of the match.

    I may be wrong but I think his comments on Daniel were amongst those that changed opinion at the end of the match. :smile:

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.03.08 14:23:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA – can she please keep those pants handy?

    I also have a small sharkie that I have always called Butch (will have to change his name now)- when I take him with me to the games, we win, when I leave him at home, we lose. I took him with me to Loftus on Saturday (thank goodness).

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.03.08 14:26:21 by Nessa Reply

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  • lol, i reckon your point no 4 explains why souties will never be any good at the game…essential to any pack (even under the new laws) are a balance and as quick as keegan daniels and kanko are they need to play off the big men who have a prescence, enter ackerman and AJ. Muller is not a 4, he is a very fit committed workhorse, but Bakkies and Rossouw are better 4′s.
    i want the sharks to win this year for all our sakes, but watch the drop-off with Ackerman gone…if AJ and bismarck are injured, real kak.

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.03.08 14:26:55 by cab Reply

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  • KSA – & I thought this was a rugby site :twisted:

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.03.08 14:27:43 by Me2 Reply

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  • RD – did you see Ruan’s flick flaks after the 4th (and bonus) try?

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.03.08 14:28:45 by Nessa Reply

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  • :razz: Great article rob…almost dislocated my neck nodding in agreement.

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.03.08 14:28:45 by blackshark Reply

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  • KSA,
    i must say deysel looked very promising, perhaps AJ into lock and deysel with botes and kanko in the backrow is still ok. where’s the tongan fellow?

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.03.08 14:30:29 by cab Reply

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  • CAB

    Seems Epi Taione and Tony Brown are still playing Rugby in Japan for a few more weeks. :sad:

    I agree that AJ need to be at lock for the Blues. We could get away with him at 7 for the Bulls but won’t be so lucky against the Blues. With Ackermann now having retired we may just see that happening.

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.03.08 14:35:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • the crusaders scrum is simply awesome as is their tight 5, they have a retreaded lock playing blindside in reid and a huge presence in Tuali at 8. The blues are much the same with an even better tight 5.

    Both power packs are able to provide their outstanding backs with go-forward ball, which with the 5m rule from the scrum base has catapulted them past the SA teams.

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.03.08 14:36:10 by cab Reply

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  • CAB

    Toyota will next meet Sanyo Wild Knights at Osaka’s Hanazono Stadium, while the other semifinal (at Chichibunomiya) sees Toshiba up against Top League champions Suntory Sungoliath.

    So if Next weekend (Rnd 4 of S14) is the Semi Final and the Final is the week after (Rnd 5 of the S14) then Brown and Taione won’t be joing their S14 teams before round 6.

    Rassie only has one flyhalf on tour for at least the first two weeks.

    02.03.08 08:28:50 – KSA Shark © Edit

    Final
    The winners of the two semi-finals play off in the final for the overall title of national champion.
    Sunday, 16 March 2008.
    Prince Chichibu Memorial Rugby Ground, Tokyo.

    Semi-finals
    The winners of Round 2 progress to the semi-finals to play the teams that finished first and second in the 2007~8 TL season.
    Saturday, 8 March 2008.

    02.03.08 08:43:57 – KSA Shark © Edit

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.03.08 14:37:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I remember when Tony Brown joined us for the S14 season – he only joined us on the away leg of the tournament.

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.03.08 14:39:32 by Nessa Reply

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  • As a wannabe journo, I reserve the right to change my opinion on anything at any point ;)

    Man, I was upset during the game, especially when it looked like we were gonna lose. Still, 4 tries to nothing and a 14 point snotting means the Bulls have far more soul-searching to do that I have ;)

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.03.08 14:51:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • I don’t find the Bulls that much more crap than the Sharks to be totally honest. They crossed the Sharks tryline twice, and with a little more luck that could have been 14 points.

    What I do now found amusing though is all the Bulls players who have left or apparently want to leave. A little over a year ago when the Sharks alledgedly approached Bakkies and Habana there was a lot of crowing from Pretoria about loyalty and it’s not just about the money etc.

    Seems like the Blue Bull loyalty is a thing of the past now. Every man and his dog is sniffing around for filthy lucre.

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.03.08 14:54:08 by yossarian Reply

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  • Ryan Vrede must have read this… “The Bulls can no longer justify the inclusion of Wynand Olivier and JP Nel.”

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.03.08 14:55:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • yoss – difference is, our breed of crap has brought us 13 log point… theirs has netted them 4.

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.03.08 14:57:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • Sure Rob, and I am duely grateful to the boys in Black and White.

    Just feel there is a mountain to climb yet though and I would rather take the log /plank out of my own eye ;)

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.03.08 15:01:07 by yossarian Reply

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  • I will write a similarly scathing piece about our beloved Sharks, fear not.

    I just don’t think you can deny that the Bulls have a serious problem.

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.03.08 15:05:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • yeah, they are the most crap defending champs ever :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.03.08 15:06:40 by yossarian Reply

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  • remember at all times, all of this is just opinion. It’s just me putting some opinions out there for all of us to debate. Nothing is gospel.

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.03.08 15:09:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Bulls desperately need a guy like Spies. Very sad if he is not going to feature.

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.03.08 15:12:22 by yossarian Reply

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  • RD – he’s an awesome player. Heard he was going to be playing in the S14 but then not another word.

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.03.08 15:13:14 by Nessa Reply

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  • Eish Robdylan, you’re brave. I watched that match supporting the Sharks, and I tell you the scoreline flatters you. Yes, the scoreboard is the only thing that matters, and yes the log is the log. But there were vast tracts of that game when the Sharks were clueless, directionless, and certainly didn’t look like winning. Kockott’s got balls the size of watermelons, but he’s not a patch on the class of FdP. JP deserves whatever comes his way, but to paint a picture of one team out-thinking, outplaying, and basically dominating the other is taking more poetic licence than I think is fair. Some wins are the sort where you can rub people’s noses in it (cf. Durban Tri-nations 1998 v NZ), normally the sort where one was given no hope before the time. This wasn’t one of those.

    Muller’s boys are going to have to do a whole lot better than that before I start feeling confident that they’ve got the minerals.

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.03.08 15:15:32 by Agent Orange Reply

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  • AO – you are right, of course. I was at the game and with 15 minutes to go – things were not looking good. The score line does flatter us.

    But we will take the 5 points and hopefully improve – we will need to against the Blues this weekend.

  • Comment 54, posted at 03.03.08 15:17:28 by Nessa Reply

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  • Agent: I believe RD is referring to the overall performance of the Bulls during this S14, rather than just the game against the Sharks.

  • Comment 55, posted at 03.03.08 15:19:23 by Waz Reply

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  • Maak die Bulle almal Bokke – bwa ha ha

  • Comment 56, posted at 03.03.08 15:21:59 by yossarian Reply

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  • Spies, Habana, Matfield, Bakkies would already make a big difference for the Bulls… every S14 team needs at least 7 world class players in them to be competitive…

    Didn’t AJ play lock last year against the Blues… there were some epic battles between him and Flavell from memory…

  • Comment 57, posted at 03.03.08 15:22:47 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Hi Waz – did you read the article on Craig on the other thread?

  • Comment 58, posted at 03.03.08 15:23:03 by Nessa Reply

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  • Thanks Waz – that’s the comment I was about to make. This article should not be read in the context of thinking the Sharks were brilliant. They were far from it. But the Bulls pack was run to pieces by the Crusaders a week before.

  • Comment 59, posted at 03.03.08 15:23:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • Agent – I did enjoy your SMS about Johan Ackermann!

  • Comment 60, posted at 03.03.08 15:24:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ouplayed, outwitted, outmuscled…can we read those lines in the context of the 3 games the Bulls have played so far?

    I really think they have experience all three in the games they’ve played so far…and that explains why they are lying where they are lying.

    I honestly don’t think rob or anyone has forgotten the “log” in our own eyes. We definitely need to pull up our socks but our problems can be fixed in a matter of days or weeks. The Bulls on the other side have BIGGER PROBLEMS!

    3 games…won all three…with one bonus is not a TERRIBLE start against 2 “top” :???: SA sides and 1 decent overseas side. tough times ahead…but I see the Sharks rising to the occasion.

  • Comment 61, posted at 03.03.08 15:25:05 by blackshark Reply

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  • Excerpt from Patrick Innes’s newsletter… he’s not far off really…

    “Rugby 50’s Style -

    This game between the Sharks and the Bulls was straight out of 1950’s with both teams trying to belt the living daylights out of each other……..and probably loving every minute of it. We had about 73 minutes of this gladiatorial exhibition, and about 7 minutes of something resembling rugby played more the modern way. I can just imagine all the old SA geezers patting each other on the back and exclaiming loud and long, “that’s the way rugby should be played “. It was truly a shocker !

    So what has this done for the 2008 Super 14 comp………probably just a throwback showing rugby carnage as against the rugby skills of the modern day. One can’t say very much at all about the first 75 minutes because it was total crap… C R A P …. so far as rugby is concerned. It did absolutely nothing for the Bulls except perhaps to illustrate what a defunct sorry mob they must be. I think the Sharks wanted to do something a little better, but they were roped in by the old SA mentality, and at the very least had to join the mayhem otherwise they may have been killed.

    So, all you old SA geezers, if that’s want you want to play as a game then you can have it on your own. As a game of rugby I can’t think of any one thing noteworthy that comes to mind. Everything about the whole game was such absolute garbage. We saw mad-man Steyn trying to drop goals from all over the field……presumably someone told him to “go for all the droppies you can” and he did this from anywhere and everywhere. After 80 minutes of this unbelievable exercise he had 1 droppie beside his name………I think it’s time to say good-bye to any rugby aspirations this fella may have had. If anyone can think of even one good thing about this game, I’d be pleased to hear from them.”

  • Comment 62, posted at 03.03.08 15:25:45 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Lol… except for the confusing of the Steyn’s…

  • Comment 63, posted at 03.03.08 15:27:35 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • I see WAZ and ROB beat me to it… :wink:

  • Comment 64, posted at 03.03.08 15:28:07 by blackshark Reply

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  • We saw mad-man Steyn trying to drop goals from all over the field

    I agree with that part, at least

  • Comment 65, posted at 03.03.08 15:28:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’m just waiting for Big Fish to show up and start defending the Bulls again ;)

  • Comment 66, posted at 03.03.08 15:29:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • Don’t agres about Demas… he was rubbish in Seven’s, only finishing off moves when he had space… no step, no handling, no strength in his legs nor upper body, no defense…

  • Comment 67, posted at 03.03.08 15:32:58 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Patrick Innes is full of crap. he doesn’t even bother to learn who the SA players are.

  • Comment 68, posted at 03.03.08 15:33:13 by yossarian Reply

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  • Yoss he makes some good points and has a great rugby brain… thing is he clearly doesn’t always watch the ‘other teams’ games as intently…

  • Comment 69, posted at 03.03.08 15:41:21 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • bryce_in_oz , maybe. I prefer Marc Hinton and Jed Thian ( rugbyheaven dot co dot nz ) :)

  • Comment 70, posted at 03.03.08 15:48:52 by yossarian Reply

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  • You can’t take Patrick seriously when he doesn’t know one steyn from the next. Hell, it’s like Monica Lewinsky’s dress!

  • Comment 71, posted at 03.03.08 16:02:01 by hellbent Reply

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  • Jed Thian is a king! If he ever starts a religion, I’m joining it.

  • Comment 72, posted at 03.03.08 18:16:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • LOL Bryce, patricks article made me laugh, there definitely an element of truth but am afraid pat’s views are so conditioned that i’d expect nothing less. Yoss is right, not sure he really knows who all the players are either so got to take it with a pinch.

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  • You mean ‘rarely’, cab? :-)

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