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What a ludicrous thing to say!


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Super 14 on 10 Mar 2008 at 08:00
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Bulls coach Frans Ludeke reckons his team aren’t a dirty side. Four cards, six citings and four bans in just three matches would indicate that, perhaps, the Loftus supremo has lost touch with reality. One wonders when he’ll realise he’s left for a four-week tour of the Anitpodes without a fullback!

The Bulls pulled off a Houdini act at Loftus on Friday night. 30 minutes into the game and 17 points up, their famed indiscipline reared its ugly head yet again, with fullback Zane Kirchner shown a red card for a spear tackle. Kirchner became the third Bulls player this season to face censure for this transgression; JP Nel and Dewald Potgieter were each banned for a week for spear tackles in the matches against the Sharks and the Crusaders respectively. Lock Bakkies Botha, in his first game back after injuring himself late last year, was yellow carded at the same time as Kirchner, leaving the Bulls reeling with only 13 on the field. The Lions, somewhat bafflingly, failed to capitalise on their numerical advantage, allowing the Bulls to take the spoils by a comfortable margin.

Looking back over their first four games this year, one really starts to wonder how Ludeke could possibly defend the disciplinary track record of his side. They got away with murder in their opener against the Stormers, due in no small part to the fact that Willie Roos (the brother-in-law of recently retired Bulls loose forward Johann Wassermann) seems incapable of spotting infringements committed by the men in light blue. Although no cards were shown during their 54-19 capitulation to the Crusaders, both Nel and Potgieter found themselves on the carpet the following Monday. Nel got off scott-free on this occasion after one of his trademark swinging-arm clotheslines, while Potgieter was benched for a week.

The match against the Sharks was no better, with first Danie Rossouw and then Nel spending time in the sin-bin, allowing the Sharks to score four tries while the Bulls were reduced to fourteen. The worst incident in this match, though, was the cowardly punch by Bulls prop Jaco Engels, which was missed by the match officials. Engels was duly cited for the blow to Johann Muller’s right eye, though and handed a three-match paid holiday.

Ludeke’s statement is an overt endorsement of the sort of thuggery and indiscipline that marrs his team’s play. Until he takes a firm stance and punishes the serial offenders (like Nel) himself, no clear message will be sent out and the rot will continue. The Bulls have got off lightly to date, with the South African judicial committees proving far more lenient than their Antipodean colleagues will be, should any South African player transgress in Australia or New Zealand.

Don’t expect miracles, though. This is the man who has elected not to replace Kirchner in his tour group after the fullback was handed a two-match ban. The Bulls will play their first two matches on tour without a recognised fullback anywhere in their squad! Their only saving grace is that they will face the Reds first up and if recent results are anything to go by, the Bulls won’t need more than 14 men to pick up a win in Brisbane.



93 Comments

  • Where is HO now. We need you to repeat your comment please :wink:

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.03.08 08:03:34 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Did JC Fortuin make it home safe on Friday?

    I feared for the man’s wellbeing.

    Bakkies was ready to donner him right there and then.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.03.08 08:16:02 by Dawn Reply
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  • Morning gents.

    What about Tiger Mangweni?

    Hasnt he been playing for the Bulls’ VC side?

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.03.08 08:21:49 by wpw Reply
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  • Hi Dawn.

    I think JC had an OK game.

    He is definitely not popular in Snor City.

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.03.08 08:22:42 by wpw Reply
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  • wpw

    He has I believe, but the issue is not that the Bulls don’t have Fullbacks it is that Luudeke hasn’t taken any with him on tour.

    I thought Rassie Erasmus was being silly to only take one flyhalf but to go WITHOUT a Fullback is ludicrous.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.03.08 08:23:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Who do you think will play 15?

    Morne Steyn perhaps?

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.03.08 08:26:24 by wpw Reply
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  • The Bulls will struggle overseas.

    I dont think their top players like Habana and Bakkies will stick around until their contracts end.

    Who wants to play for a union that is going down and going down fast???

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.03.08 08:28:29 by wpw Reply
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  • If Ludeke plays Steyn at 15 then he is more of a plank than I thought.

    If he didn’t see this weekend that the Liefling, Steyn, Olivier midfield worked well and gave away MUCH less penalties then he can borrow my dog.

    Olivier showed some of his old skills again and was actually rather good, was it because of having Steyn and not “Wat het ek gedoen?” Nel next to him? I think it was.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.03.08 08:33:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Hey check that out!!!!!!!!!!

    I even want the Steyn at the Bulls to play 12. :oops:

    Gime me a Steyn at 12 and i am happy. Any Steyn, Any team :wink:

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.03.08 08:34:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • WO did a magnificent forward pass.

    Wonderful it was.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.03.08 08:39:31 by Dawn Reply

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  • KSA, I think you are spot on… problem is, there is absolutely no-one other than Steyn who can play 15 in that squad. Looks like, yet again, you are going to have to make do with Steyn at 15 ;)

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.03.08 08:39:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • BWHAHAHAHAA :mrgreen:

    Who would have thought these two teams had so many similarities. :lol:

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.03.08 08:41:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • In Afrikaans… Die Blou Bulle is vuilgatste span die afgelope 2 jaar, elke duikslag is amper met ‘n stywe arm…Bakkies Botha gaan die volgende rooikaart kry… :roll:

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.03.08 08:44:07 by Charlie Reply

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  • Charlie thanks for reminding me. I was going to ask this question and then completely forgot.

    Is there something in the water in Tswane that makes your forearm soft or something?

    Bakkies Botha
    Victor Matfield
    Pierre Spies
    JP Nel
    (who have I missed)

    All have at some stage or other played with identical strapping covering their forearms.

    is it something in the water or is it to protect the arm when used in a swinging arm/ stiff arm tackle?

    Yet no players from other teams seem to require this type of strapping

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.03.08 08:48:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Go ask Kevin Putt ;)

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.03.08 08:51:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • KSA

    I agree that Wynand looked much better against the Lions.

    We do however need to remember that it was only the Lions. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.03.08 08:55:19 by wpw Reply
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  • wpw,

    BTW, the Sormers won, but it was only against the Reds… :roll:

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.03.08 08:57:41 by Charlie Reply

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  • Charlie

    This is the opening line from a Gavin Rich article on Superrugby.

    Had Jean de Villiers spoken last week about his Vodacom Stormers team aiming to win all four tour games he would have been laughed at, but not after his side’s impressive 34-16 win over the Reds in Brisbane at the weekend.

    Are you saying you would still laugh at JdV if he said that? :wink:

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.03.08 09:03:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Guys, this is a BULLS BASHING thread.

    Please lay off the Stormers!!! :roll:

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.03.08 09:08:34 by wpw Reply
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  • hehehehehe

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.03.08 09:10:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Okay i won’t wait for HO to come and post his comment. :wink:

    This is what he had to say last night. :lol:

    News24 can report what they like.
    Blou Bulle are not a dirty side.
    They just are not a side!

    Comment by HO — March 9, 2008 @ 9:41 pm

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.03.08 09:12:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA,

    I would have laughed, IMO the Reds was the only game I would have said they can win and even with a bonus point… :wink:

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.03.08 10:05:35 by Charlie Reply

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  • “recently retired Bulls loose forward Johann Wassermann”

    Tsk Tsk Rob, he’s not retired… Wasserman (single n) is playing for Montpellier, along with Carthorse Rees…

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.03.08 12:54:04 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Whoops! I need a good editor

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.03.08 12:56:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Interesting, the Montpellier team this last week featured 8 Sout Africans out of a 22 man squad…that’s more than a third of the team!
    So surely, just as Londonas is becoming the capital of Eastern Europe, Montpellier (& Toulon not all that far east)are becoming the Euopean Tswane…

    Montpellier : 15 Mark McHugh, 14 Jean-Mathieu Alcalde, 13 Rickus Lubbe, 12 Grant Rees, 11 Sébastien Kuzbik, 10
    Federico Todeschini, 9 Sébastien Buada, 8 Jérôme Vallée, 7 Johan Wasserman, 6 Warren Britz, 5 Michel Macurdy, 4 Drickus Hancke, 3 Eugene van Staden, 2 Joan Caudullo, 1 Philimon Toleafoa.
    Replacements: 16 Olivier Diomandé, 17 Danie Thiart, 18 Mickaël Bert, 19 Gonçalo Uva, 20 Julien Tomas, 21 Murphy Taele, 22 Frikkie Welsh

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.03.08 14:21:52 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Rickus Lubbe and Grant Rees? That centre pairing would not look out of place playing for the Bulls :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.03.08 14:25:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • :mrgreen: rob

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.03.08 14:29:46 by wpw Reply
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  • Sheez quite a few in there. :shock:

    I only find 7 or is Drickus Hanks also a South African

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.03.08 14:30:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Drikus Hanke – former Maties, WP Vodacom Cup, EP and Bulldogs lock :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.03.08 14:33:49 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Just to clarify

    I KNOW
    13 Rickus Lubbe
    12 Grant Rees
    7 Johan Wasserman
    6 Warren Britz
    17 Danie Thiart
    22 Frikkie Welsh

    I Think
    4 Drickus Hancke
    3 Eugene van Staden
    20 Julien Tomas

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.03.08 14:33:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Julien Tomas is french…

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.03.08 14:34:48 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • :oops:

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.03.08 14:34:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I shoulda guessed seeing as there are 9 in my list :oops:

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.03.08 14:35:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Wonder if Johan W can get Willie Roos a gig over in France?

    That is after the honchos at Boolands have their way with him :shock:

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.03.08 14:36:26 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • And most of those players are not up to S14 standard…

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.03.08 14:36:45 by wpw Reply
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  • And most of those players are not up to S14 standard…

    10.03.08 14:36:45 – wpw

    “Most”? You are being TOO kind Wes…

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.03.08 14:37:14 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • There is only ONE player there who I may play in a S14 side and he is not even a South African.

    Todeschini

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.03.08 14:38:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • BTW Rob, pieboy Charlie Hore seems to playing for Dax in the Top 14 this season.

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.03.08 14:39:57 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • he is probably about as use to them as Kees Lensing is to us

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.03.08 14:42:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • lol, no-one can be as useless as Kees.

    Cannot believe the Wildebeeste actually won this weekend :shock:

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.03.08 14:42:48 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • (I’m sure Charlie Hore’s price tag is more realistic than KAAS Lensing’s…. :roll: )

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.03.08 14:43:47 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Anyone with one eye can see Drickus Hanke is a goeie ou SA naam.

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.03.08 14:44:07 by Dawn Reply

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  • yes Dawn, but KSA happens to own 3 Pom rugby jerseys…

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.03.08 14:45:26 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • …and he couldn’t see the penguin…

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.03.08 14:45:42 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • I know. Sharks supporters are so pommy.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.03.08 14:46:30 by Dawn Reply

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  • Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Stop picking in me!!!!!!!!!

    if it was Hanke then yes but it is Hancke. he could be a Dutchman!!!!!!!!!

    oh wait maybe he is. :roll:

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.03.08 14:47:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I will pick in you.

    Hanke, Hancke what’s the diff!

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.03.08 14:49:10 by Dawn Reply

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  • And you couldn’t see the penguin.

    :lol:

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.03.08 14:50:01 by Dawn Reply

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  • time for an eye test oubaas (translation for KSA – old boss)

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.03.08 14:52:10 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • AG [email protected] JULLE EK LOOP NOU!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.03.08 14:53:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • (for a second there I thought I was on a Bulls blog :oops: )

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.03.08 14:54:38 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Which Bull is that?

    Style is very familiar.

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.03.08 15:06:12 by Dawn Reply

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  • any Bull after a loss

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.03.08 15:10:41 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Sheesh, you guys upset KSA.

    His eyes are very bad you know – maybe he took it personal?

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.03.08 15:11:54 by Big Fish Reply
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  • well, at least he’s not one-eyed like Rob :grin:

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.03.08 15:12:48 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • In yesterday’s match …I am also not sure about the forward pass judge by the referee in the Force vs Crusaders match… The try under the post could have let the Force won 31-29… :wink:

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.03.08 15:13:57 by Charlie Reply

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  • Dawn WO’s forward pass straight into the ground on attack was a duzi…lol!

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.03.08 15:14:55 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • So many forward passes in this tourney so far I’m beginning to think it’s part of the ELVs

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.03.08 15:27:47 by Dawn Reply

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  • KSA moenie kwaai wees nie.

    :cry:

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.03.08 15:30:05 by Dawn Reply

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  • well thanks everybody, I’m gonna have to deal with the pissed off OUBAAS when he gets home :eek:
    what did I ever do to you all :?:

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.03.08 15:32:34 by KSA Sharkette Reply

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  • Sorry Sharkette.

    Its not all of us – I wont mention any names, but Im sure that the error of their ways has Dawned on them, and that their desire for belittling somebody has been Requited.

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.03.08 15:34:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • What’d I do????

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.03.08 15:37:04 by Dawn Reply

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  • :oops: Yeah I’m sorry too, never knew that a certain somebody’s inability to see penguins would lead to all this….

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.03.08 15:40:02 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • (and the Oubaas is only as old as he feel, er doesn’t feel…hmmm, or that young?)

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.03.08 15:40:50 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • :sad:

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.03.08 15:42:57 by Dawn Reply

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  • Wildebeest won cos they dropped Kees

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.03.08 15:46:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • Statistics show that about 30% of marriages fail due to penguin-related issues.

    They are a silent killer of relationships, and one can only applaud moves by various NCOs to raise the awareness of this destructive trend.

    We can only hope that with education, understanding and time, this oft-ignored problem can be overcome.

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.03.08 15:49:58 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Surely Toulon are willing to buy out KAAS’s contract, at a profit for the Sharks?

    Just think, a Namibean International prop (& captain nogals) on their books – wonder if they remember Nam’s spirited performance in their pool during the World Cup?

    Anyone want to send them a copy of the Nam-Ireland game, & card stating that KAAS is keen on the Cote D’Azur?

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.03.08 15:52:12 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • This is mainly due to the inability to see said penguins.

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.03.08 15:53:02 by Dawn Reply

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  • (or we could always send him to the Strompies at a premium…we all know they like paying a premium for Sharks cast-offs :twisted: :twisted: )

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.03.08 15:53:28 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • are you guys all on drugs at the same time? That’s hardly fair!

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.03.08 15:53:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • One day Oubaas will finally see the penguin!

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.03.08 15:54:08 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • rob you missed the whole penguin thingie.

    Please don’t think you can jump in at this late stage.

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.03.08 15:55:15 by Dawn Reply

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  • but I STARTED th penguin thing!

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.03.08 15:59:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • Look, if you guys are willing to ostracize a man over a smelly bird than can barely walk, leave alone fly, then so be it.

    But I for one, will follow the example set by men like Nelson Mandela, Albert Luthuli, Mohandas K Gandhi, Marcus Garvey and Martin Luther King Jnr, and look beyond whatever differences we may have, and rather embrace the divine man inside.

    So mock KSA if you want to, but answer me this; what value holds a penguin in the light of a man’s dignity? :idea:

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.03.08 16:00:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Well Oubaas’ dignity is in tact, the eyesight….not so much :shock:

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.03.08 16:07:10 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • :lol:

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.03.08 16:33:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • McDonalds anyone?

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.03.08 16:36:08 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Ok all is saved, had to put myself on the line as some incentive to turn his “frown upsidedown” :oops:

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.03.08 16:37:20 by KSA Sharkette Reply

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  • no thanks. I had yummy Polish food for lunch :mrgreen:

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.03.08 16:37:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • Had for lunch KSA,now i have to run for a half hour extra this evening.

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.03.08 16:38:42 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • Hey dude get married.

    Once that’s done there’s no need to keep in shape anymore :roll:

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.03.08 16:39:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • polish? Nugget or Kiwi?

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.03.08 16:40:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • 10.03.08 16:37:20 – KSA Sharkette

    You are a martyr! :wink:

    10.03.08 16:40:07 – KSA Shark ©

    Glad you got your cojones back.

    Look, I just want to apologise for the behaviour of some of our bloggers here – gorgive them, for they know not what they do.

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.03.08 16:41:57 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Kette bought Ou Baas a Happy Meal…

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.03.08 16:43:09 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • hehehehe

  • Comment 86, posted at 10.03.08 16:44:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • BF

    This is the LAST time i am coming back after being upset………Ag okay maybe a few more time then. :roll:

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.03.08 16:45:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • eish

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.03.08 16:51:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • I live under the same roof with my girlfriend thats how the hell i ended up with this insulation!! :evil:

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.03.08 16:51:44 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • yeah life is strange jong.

    When you are single you don’t have the insulation and have to doss in the cold on your own,

    Then when you finally get a partner who can keep you warm the insulation comes along and keeps you warm as well.

    THEN
    You get tooo much insulation and you have to sleep on your own and it’s cos you got insulation. :wink:

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.03.08 16:54:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Bit of a balls up innit?? But winter,she is on her way.Good times

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.03.08 16:57:24 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • Drikus Hancke was my room mate at Stellies’ best mate from Uitenhage.

    The man is a beast.

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.03.08 20:24:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • hey now… there’s only one Beast :)

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