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Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 19 Mar 2008 at 12:31

The Sharks, through excellent planning by the procurement team led by Rudi Straueli, find themselves in the enviable position among SA franchises of having too much good talent. Perhaps it’s time to look at a system that could use this wealth to benefit other franchises.

What I’m thinking of here is nothing new – it’s a loan system, similar to the draft that exists in New Zealand. The difference here is that this would literally be a short-term player loan, just until the end of the Super 14, to enable other SA teams to shore up weaknesses in their squads. The benefit for both parties is clear. Sharks players who are on the fringes of the squad get regular Super rugby game time, rather than languishing in the Vodacom Cup. Other SA teams have the option of calling on a pool of talented players, at pretty short notice, to bolster areas of weakness.

I would add the proviso that the loaned player HAS to be included in the Super 14 match 22 (or tour squad) so that we don’t end up with Wildebeest players playing Vodacom Cup against the Wildebeest. I would also prevent any “loaned” players from appearing against the Sharks, although this season, it is only really the Cheetahs that we still need to play.

I think there might even be added benefits for the Wildebeest here. Once the “draft squad” is taken out of circulation, Atherton and Louw would actually have a settled squad of players to pick from and can start to build some continuity, rather than having a squad of Sharks reserves that come into and out of the selection frame every week.

So, right now I would definitely send Pat Cilliers to the Stormers. They are crying out for decent cover at prop (better than Juan Harris, anyway) and Pat is unlikely to make the Sharks tour group ahead of BJ Botha, Jannie du Plessis, Deon Carstens or the Beast. Cilliers is too good to be playing Vodacom Cup and could learn a huge amount while contributing to the Stormers’ cause. The Sharks need to take any steps necessary to prevent the Waratahs and Hurricanes from picking up points on their South African tours, after all.

The Bulls are a team looking short of options at hooker and in the back row. Skipper Badenhorst isn’t one of our top hookers, but he does have a lot of Super Rugby experience and could certainly help out at Loftus. Jean Deysel would add a new dimension to the Bulls loose forward play with his combination of pace and bulk. Their colleagues to the south are crying out for more depth at lock, flyhalf, centre and wing, so why not offer the services of Alistair Hargreaves, Tiaan Marx, Andries Strauss, Henno Mentz or Frank Wagenstroom?

Strauss, in particular, is one character who is far, far better than the company he is currently playing in. He would make a huge contribution to any of the Bulls, Lions, Cheetahs or Stormers teams, as none of them have great depth in the centres. The Cheetahs also seem short of experienced campaigners at scrumhalf, so why not offer them Scott Mathie, or even the exciting Charl Macleod as short term cover?

I know I’m dreaming, but you have to admit the idea has merit, not so?



56 Comments

  • I think this makes a huge amount of sense

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.03.08 12:39:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • In your humble opinion of course? :roll:

    Juan Harris?

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.03.08 12:55:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Sometimes known as “Brok”… Short for “Broken”, like after he tries to scrum against a decent pack.

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.03.08 12:56:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • Juan freaking Harris? Sounds like the progeny of a fling between Julio Iglesias and one of the Corrs.

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.03.08 12:59:01 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Focus, my fishy friend. What do you think of the idea?

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.03.08 13:10:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • I think the idea is great…the Pat Cilliers example was enough to buy me over. What a talent!

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.03.08 13:47:28 by blackshark Reply

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  • As long as we get him back afterwards!

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.03.08 13:51:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • “So, right now I would definitely send Pat Cilliers to the Stormers”

    No need. Eddie should be fit soon.

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.03.08 13:52:42 by Kal-El Reply

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  • Pat Cilliers is Eddie’s dad. Not bad, considering he’s only 20

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.03.08 14:03:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • Dan het Pat mos anderkant die draad gespeel.

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.03.08 14:10:25 by Kal-El Reply

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  • he’s young enough not to know the difference ;)

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.03.08 14:12:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • Agree that the Cheetahs and Bulls are struggling. The depth is not there at all.

    That De Bruyn guy at the Cheetahs was shocking. And Conrad Barnard…do me a favour!!

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.03.08 14:14:04 by Villie Reply
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  • Howzit Villie – my brada from anader mada!!! :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.03.08 14:19:36 by Ice Reply
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  • We unfortunately don’t have lots of good flyhalves to hand out.

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.03.08 14:23:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hi Ice – sussed your boep out earlier, nice photo.

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.03.08 14:25:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • How about 12′s?

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.03.08 14:29:18 by blackshark Reply

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  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Thanks Salmonoid!! I loved the boep – sure miss it!! :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.03.08 14:29:49 by Ice Reply
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  • Grow another one.

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.03.08 14:34:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Grow another one.

    19.03.08 14:34:44 – Salmonoid
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.03.08 14:35:35 by blackshark Reply

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  • nah – we have no 12s ;)

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.03.08 14:36:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • Dick Muir: “Fransie, how would you feel about playing @ 12?”
    Frans Steyn: “Ja Oom Coach. Dis reg met my. Oom kan my maar in ‘n dosyn posisies speel – solank ek net speel.”

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.03.08 14:39:56 by Kal-El Reply

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  • Kal-El…you forgot the FS trade mark…Frans Steyn: “Ja Oom Coach. Dis reg met my. Oom kan my maar in ‘n dosyn posisies speel- VERSTAAN – solank ek net speel.VERSTAAN?”

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.03.08 14:42:48 by Ice Reply
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  • It take some time and “effort” to grow one of THOSE…. :cool:

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.03.08 14:44:11 by Ice Reply
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  • Kal – El :lol:

    No pun intended by Frans off-course…

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.03.08 14:47:30 by blackshark Reply

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  • Cool Ice!!!

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.03.08 14:51:27 by Kal-El Reply

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  • Rob

    How about this list of POC who can go out on loan:

    Hilton Lobberts
    Paul Delport
    Thabang Molefe
    Ishmaiel Dollie
    Nicola Blignaut
    Jody Rose
    Frank Wagenstroom
    Shandre Frolick

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.03.08 14:51:36 by wpw Reply
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  • I dont think the problem with some of the other franchises is a lack of talent on the playing field – its the astonishing lack of talent in the coaching jackets.

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.03.08 14:51:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I remember Frans’ first MOM award, I think it was against Province at a very wet Kings Park, and he was being interviewed by Gavin Cowley and kept on addressing him as oom – quiete different from your run of the mill MOM.

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.03.08 14:56:25 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Kal-El – with all respect to Fransie – I hope he never becomes captain – he has a odd way of talking (it does have a bit of a “challenged” sound to it) – not that I am saying he is dumb :sad: …okey lets give him the benefit, he is still young.. :lol: :neutral:

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.03.08 14:56:47 by Ice Reply
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  • WPW
    I hope that is not your real photo you are using because it will make it that much easier for “Nichola” to track you down.

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.03.08 15:01:00 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Ice,

    As with all things, he will get better with experience. :wink:

    He only says “verstaan” after every sentence because he replies in Afrikaans during an English interview. :eek:

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.03.08 15:01:27 by Kal-El Reply

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  • wie-pie-wie,

    What happened to Delport? Is he on loan to Boland?

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.03.08 15:04:45 by Kal-El Reply

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  • Kal-El…Oh? :roll: Thanks for clearing that! :lol:

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.03.08 15:06:54 by Ice Reply
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  • And I suppose he is there for his rugby talent..not speakin ability’s, ne! :oops:

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.03.08 15:09:58 by Ice Reply
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  • Delport is also playing for WP Vodacom cup team.

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.03.08 15:12:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Yebo Ice, verstaan!

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.03.08 15:15:07 by Kal-El Reply

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  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Kal-el!!

    Rob, Rob, where art thou, Rob??? Wanna make a suggestion – can the posts be numbered?…

    and give a compl – thanks fo not “fining” us with a 3 minute penalty!! :wink: BTW – this thingy tunes me already “slow down, you are posting too fast! ” LOL :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.03.08 15:18:31 by Ice Reply
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  • Yip.

    Stormers has 4 really good scrumhalves and some unions have only 1.

    Cheetahs on the udda hand have none. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.03.08 15:18:58 by wpw Reply
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  • Hello Sister Ice

    Are you stirring the pot over here now? :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.03.08 15:19:27 by Villie Reply
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  • “Time to share the love”.

    When I tried subtly suggesting that to my girlfriend she asked me to add an “ex” to her description…

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.03.08 15:19:54 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I’m here

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.03.08 15:21:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • Yip, Ice has all the time in the world to blog but no time for the boep.

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.03.08 15:21:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Who are these “4 really good scrumhalves” wpw?

    I only know of Ricky January and some other never-have-beens.

    The only personnel you guys have worth exporting is the pysio (I hope Charlie aint around!).

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.03.08 15:21:56 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I said what I wanted to – just read… :roll: :wink:

    :lol: BF!!

    I suppose I am, Villie!! You know me…I like to divert the conversation a little and then see how they all tackle each other for not talking rugby!! :wink: :wink:

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.03.08 15:23:43 by Ice Reply
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  • Fish

    I have heard good reports about Conrad Hoffman….although when I saw him for the SA U21′s he didn’t impress me at all. However that was a particularly poor junior Bok side & friends tell me that this guy will go a long way!

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.03.08 15:25:01 by Villie Reply
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  • Maybe I should go fetch my sidekick Debs to add a little spice to the conversation! :evil:

    But sadly I actually have to get back to work now! :sad:

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.03.08 15:26:38 by Villie Reply
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  • i can look at numbering the posts, sure

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.03.08 15:27:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • Debs and I make quite the good spoon and pot!! :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.03.08 15:28:34 by Ice Reply
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  • Hoffman is a talent Villie – still very young though.

    Just yanking wpw’s chain a bit. Anyway, even Hoffman isn’t good enough to start a S14 game just yet.

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.03.08 15:28:45 by Big Fish Reply
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  • And thank you, Ice… :roll:

    :wink:

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.03.08 15:29:17 by Ice Reply
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  • Numbering the posts is so Keo :mad:

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.03.08 15:31:33 by Kal-El Reply

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  • 19.03.08 14:56:25 – Salmonoid

    Who remembers Lieflings MOM speech after winning that first CC?

    “Dankie Oom, oom ek het eintlik nie a bank reukerning nie…”

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.03.08 15:32:29 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • :lol: PJLD :lol:

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.03.08 15:33:56 by Kal-El Reply

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  • It DOES make it easier to refer to a post, Kal-El…. :roll:

    Keo… :???: :???: :neutral: :???: :cry: :sad:

  • Comment 54, posted at 19.03.08 15:34:43 by Ice Reply
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  • BF

    I know Bolla is passed it and hasn’t been good for some time now…

    I think he should consider moving to finish off his career in Europe.

    Delport still has a lot to offer but with Hoffman there i doubt he will get a chance soon.

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.03.08 15:38:17 by wpw Reply
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  • PJLD
    Out of the mouths of Babes….

  • Comment 56, posted at 19.03.08 15:43:49 by Salmonoid Reply
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