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de Villiers struggling for flyhalf options


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 9 Apr 2008 at 09:21

Frederick Michalak, of France, and former All Black Tony Brown, imported at great cost to play for the Sharks and the Stormers, are making it difficult for Peter de Villiers to select his Springbok flyhalf.

Article courtesy Morris Gilbert and News24.

The national coach said on Tuesday his main concern ahead of the selection of the team to play Wales was the lack of depth at No 10.

Imported players such as Michalak and Brown are denying potential contenders for the Springbok jersey much needed match exposure.

This makes it all the more difficult to determine which South African flyhalf is, based on form, the best man for the position at present.

When De Villiers was asked whether his concern meant he was considering Peter Grant for the No 10 jersey, the coach said Grant could be one of the candidates.

“I’d like to see him play more often, just as I would appreciate it if the Sharks gave Ruan Pienaar more exposure at flyhalf.”

Replying to a question about Francois Steyn’s chances of being the Springbok flyhalf, De Villiers said he was concerned that the young World Cup hero was becoming too versatile.

For that reason, he said, Steyn has not proven himself in one particular position this season.

“I do not know what his best position is. And I make no secret of the fact that I do not value versatility highly.

“For the Test matches against Wales I would like to start with a team in which every player is a specialist in his position,” De Villiers said.

The Springboks meet Wales in Bloemfontein on June 7 and a Pretoria a week later.

Speaking about the composition of the Springbok team, the coach said seven of the players who had been in the starting lineup for the World Cup final would, on present form, be in the run-on team against the Welsh.

“Some of the World Cup stalwarts made a slow start in the Super 14 but I am encouraged by the upward curve in their form.

“Take Bryan Habana. He was awesome in the Bulls’ last two matches. He is a special player who has the ability to help everyone around him lift their game.”

De Villiers said the team for the first Test against Wales would certainly contain some surprises.

“They may not necessarily be young in years but rather young in Springbok experience.”

De Villiers said it was “90 per cent” certain that Gary Gold and Dick Muir would be his assistant coaches but he would like to see them remain involved with their Super 14 franchises, the Stormers and the Sharks.

A new Springbok manager would probably be appointed this week, he added.



38 Comments

  • just as I would appreciate it if the Sharks gave Ruan Pienaar more exposure at flyhalf.”

    subtle demand :?:

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.04.08 09:47:22 by blackshark (YNWA) Reply
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  • “They may not necessarily be young in years but rather young in Springbok experience.”

    Interesting… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.04.08 09:48:30 by Charlie Reply
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  • blackshark,

    It’s about time I would say, to the best of SA Rugby… :wink:

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.04.08 09:50:15 by Charlie Reply
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  • so will Luke Watson play, I wonder? ;)

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.04.08 10:02:27 by robd'ylan Reply
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  • Rob,

    Maybe from the bench… :wink:

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.04.08 10:08:11 by Charlie Reply

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  • I get the feeling PDV is pissed off by Dollie having to play in the VC.

    Shame… from Age Group WC winning star to VC rugby and its been about 5 years since he won the WC with the Baby Boks.

    :shock:

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.04.08 10:09:59 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • wpw,

    It’s about equal oppertunities not just one… :roll:

    Naas Olivier had a lot while Dollie had to play for Boland, where’s Olivier now… :evil:

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.04.08 10:14:47 by Charlie Reply

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  • Pienaar as a long term solution at Flyhalf? Hmmm.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.04.08 10:21:07 by billy Reply

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  • Pienaar needs to learn to concentrate for 80 minutes and tackle, before he’s going to be a long-term solution anywhere!

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.04.08 10:23:33 by robd'ylan Reply
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  • If Fred doesn’t stay for the CC…Ruan will have plenty of time at 10.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.04.08 10:30:04 by blackshark (YNWA) Reply

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  • “For the Test matches against Wales I would like to start with a team in which every player is a specialist in his position,” De Villiers said.

    Hallelujah.

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.04.08 10:50:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I get the feeling PDV is pissed off by Dollie having to play in the VC.

    Shame… from Age Group WC winning star to VC rugby and its been about 5 years since he won the WC with the Baby Boks.

    09.04.08 10:09:59 – wpw (YNWA) Edit

    Dude, there’s an age-group representational group every year.
    So in an average career of 10 years there’ll be 10 flyhalves that’ll play in that position.

    It’s surely not possible that all of them get to play at the highest level?

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.04.08 10:51:34 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • how many different sets of laws are the Boks going to be playing under this year? I’ve lost count…

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.04.08 10:56:05 by robd'ylan Reply
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  • Vin

    We’ve been through this many times… I think Dollie is being messed around and i am not the only one.

    He deserves a chance as he has been playing very well for quite some time now.

    He played well for Boland last season and is currently the top scorer in the VC even though only played about half as many games as the rest of the flyhalves.

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.04.08 11:04:58 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • VCS – i see what you are saying but if you look at Oliver, its not really like he set the world alight – Dollies never been given that chance

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.04.08 11:15:20 by Sauce Reply
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  • wpw,

    It’s about equal oppertunities not just one…

    Naas Olivier had a lot while Dollie had to play for Boland, where’s Olivier now…

    09.04.08 10:14:47 – Charlie

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.04.08 11:19:46 by Charlie Reply

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  • Chaps, since when is equal opportunity a prerequisite in team selection?

    Thats so PC its mad.

    And yes Olivier didnt cut the mustard, but then he’s also not around anymore is he?
    Do you really see him making the stormers side this year if he hadnt left?

    Exactly where should Dollie fit in? Should we drop Grant or Brown?

    Equal opportunities. That’s a larf.

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.04.08 12:21:05 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I knew Vin was gonna get a fit at Charlie’s ‘equal opportunities’ comment. :mrgreen:

    He deserves a chance based on form Vin.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.04.08 12:26:39 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • Brown shouldn’t have been in the picture to start with.

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.04.08 12:27:48 by Kal'El Reply

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  • I knew Vin was gonna get a fit at Charlie’s ‘equal opportunities’ comment.

    He deserves a chance based on form Vin.

    09.04.08 12:26:39 – wpw (YNWA) Edit

    Bollocks wes.

    He deserves a shot based on current form but currently the incumbents, being Grant and Brown, are alos playing well.

    The thing with breaking through is that you need to play well when nobody else is. If Dollie had been playin belters last year he wouldnt have had this problem.

    And yes, Brown probably shouldnt be there, but fact is that he is there.
    And we were desperately short of flyhalves at the beginning of the season when Dollie had not yet stuck up his paw.

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.04.08 12:31:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • He deserves a chance to play S14 rugby.

    I didnt say he should play NOW, I’ve always said he should get a look in since he made his debut in 2004 already.

    I agree that he should wait but my point was that he has been waiting in the wings forever.

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.04.08 12:35:06 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • Unfortunately you define it otherwise… treat everybody the same… :wink:

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.04.08 12:36:31 by Charlie Reply

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  • :oops: must read “Unfortunately you can not define it otherwise” :razz:

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.04.08 12:37:28 by Charlie Reply

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  • 09.04.08 12:35:06 – wpw (YNWA) Edit

    I’m sure he will eventually wes.

    There’ve been loads of guys in the same situation.

    There was a chap with me at Uni, Gareth Wright, who was in the same situation as Dollie. Was also a member of a successful age-group bok side, also from WeePee, and also hasnt been able to break through to s14.

    If Dollie feels so hard done by he should move provinces.
    I’ve heard the Lions are looking for a flyhalf. Well actually I heard they’re just lookign for somebody who can kick a ball and has nothign to do on a Saturday afternoon…

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.04.08 12:39:47 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • As if Naas ever stuck his paw up :shock:

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.04.08 12:39:58 by Kal'El Reply

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  • What does YNWA stand for wes? Young N*** With Attitude?

    :wink:

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.04.08 12:40:33 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • As if Naas ever stuck his paw up

    09.04.08 12:39:58 – Kal’El Edit

    Fair enough and couldnt agree more.

    But the very point I’m making is that at that stage Dollie could’ve walked into that side if he was playign well.

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.04.08 12:41:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Vinnie, Dollie was playing well then. Dollie was MOM in the losing team (Boland vs WP) opposite Naas.

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.04.08 12:45:48 by Kal'El Reply

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  • You’ll Never Walk Alone!

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.04.08 12:47:07 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • I remember Gareth Wright. He played a few games for WP in the CC if i’m not mistaken.

    He was quite good but i don’t think he was S14 material…I wonder who replaced him?

    Chris Rossouw?

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.04.08 12:48:55 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • Think de Villiers should thank Tony Brown helping Dollie to get to the top. Myself think he is a special talent but then we dont want another Gaffie here. Brown already help Dollie last week in the WP practises and we all saw the dividends in his performance. Pretty sure Rassie stated that Tony is in the Stormers group more for his coaching abilities and sure as hell we will thank him in a years time for his work on Dollie and Grant.

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.04.08 13:02:17 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • PB

    We all agree that Dollie is talented and needs to play but at this stage i think he is best served playing VC rugby while Brown is here.

    Brown has played over 90 games at Super rugby level and has loads of experience.

    I’m sure Grant and Dollie will become better players no that Tony is around to offer advice and guidance (as you well mentioned)

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.04.08 13:12:01 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • He buggered off to the Lions wpw, and that was where his rugby really took a dive… :wink:

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.04.08 13:53:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Make no mistake, Brown wont be here next year.

    So if Dollie sucks it up, learns from Brown and doesnt lose his head, I’m sure he’ll be playing next season.

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.04.08 13:54:05 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • The sport24 RSA Dream Team to date:

    15. Frans Steyn (Sharks), 14.Bryan Habana (Bulls), 11. JP Pietersen (Sharks), 13. Waylon Murray (Sharks), 12. Jean de Villiers (Stormers), 10. Peter Grant (Stormers), 9. Fourie du Preez (Bulls), 8. Ryan Kankowski (Sharks), 7. Wikus van Heerden (Bulls), 6. Schalk Burger (Stormers), 5. Johann Muller (Sharks), 4. Bakkies Botha (Bulls), 3. BJ Botha (Sharks), 2. Bismarck du Plessis (Sharks), 1. Gurthro Steenkamp (Bulls).

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.04.08 14:25:35 by blackshark (YNWA) Reply

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  • Not a bad team at all.

    I would replace Steyn with Waylon and Jantjes will play at 15.

    Chavangha also deserves a start at 14 with Habana at 11.

    I’d play Vermuelen at 7.

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.04.08 14:36:58 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • I’d replace BJ with Eddie.

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.04.08 14:42:06 by Kal-El Reply

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  • Eddie, is he still alove or did someone finally break his swak neck ina scrum. FDP at 9 is looking very sad this year, Kockett looks best SA player at 9

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.04.08 14:53:42 by djgap Reply

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