Now Loffie has thrown in the towel

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Super 14 on 9 Apr 2008 at 13:21

We gave Cheetahs coach Naka Drotske stick about fielding a B team against the Crusaders. Lions coach Eugene Eloff has now decided to follow suit and hand the Canterbury side five points on a plate. Pathetic!

Out go Walter Venter, Jaco Pretorius, Janno Vermaak, Willie Wepenar and Anton van Zyl. The new-look midfield of Doppies le Grange and Jannie Boshoff are sure to provide tries aplenty. For the Crusaders that is.

Here is the Lions team:

Louis Ludik, Dusty Noble, Jannie Boshoff, Doppies la Grange, Rayno Benjamin, Jaco van Schalkwyk, Chris Jonck, Willem Alberts, Joe van Niekerk , Cobus Grobbelaar (capt.), Gerhard Mostert, Dewald Senekal , Ross Geldenhuys, Ethienne Reynecke, Heinke van der Merwe. Replacements: Willie Wepener, JC Janse van Rensburg, Anton van Zyl, Franco van Merwe, Jano Vermaak, Rudi Vogt, Justin St. Jerry.


  • Not enough quality players SA for S14.

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.04.08 13:40:22 by Kal-El Reply
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  • None of these players will even make the Bulls team.

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.04.08 13:41:55 by Kal-El Reply
    Kal-ElCurrie Cup player
  • shocking.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.04.08 13:54:47 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I actually wish Ludeke would throw in the towel on his s14 coaching career…

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.04.08 13:55:11 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Who are these guys? :roll:

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.04.08 13:56:09 by blackshark (YNWA) Reply

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  • Doppies Le Grange…


    What ever happened to Earl Rose? :roll:

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.04.08 13:58:32 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
    wpwAssistant coach
  • rob to be perfectly honest, I dont think loffie has many decent players to rest. cobus and joe are still playing…i think those that have been dropped he considers to be resting on their laurels.

    but ja i hope not resting players, thats a real cop out.

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.04.08 14:04:14 by cab Reply

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  • I am glad i don’t support the Lions… :grin:

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.04.08 14:09:37 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • i couldn’t agree more, this is really pathetic. how many games do the crusaders win against sa opposition simply on reputation. you play to win, or you don’t play.

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.04.08 14:13:15 by knersboy Reply

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  • cab – the fact that he’s left out Vermaak is a pretty clear indication that he’s throwing the game.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.04.08 14:30:46 by robd'ylan Reply
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  • Of course the sharks just rotate and everyone else picks B sides…..stir stir…..

    It bollocks if you ask me, but the Crusaders must love it, the only team that plays a B side just about every week – no wonder they have won the tourney 6 times

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.04.08 14:40:47 by Sauce Reply
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  • one could argue that the Sharks just haven’t figured out who ther A and B sides are yet :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.04.08 14:42:07 by robd'ylan Reply
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  • #

    no wonder they have won the tourney 6 times
    09.04.08 14:40:47 – Sauce

    Not this year i’m afraid.

    The S14 trophy will come to Cape Town (you read it here first, on RobWorld) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.04.08 14:50:09 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • We don’t have a B-team…that’s the difference…

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.04.08 14:53:32 by blackshark (YNWA) Reply

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  • wpw,

    Dude, you crack me up! :lol:

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.04.08 15:02:02 by Kal-El Reply

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  • Kal – nothing wrong with dreaming.

    WPW – it would be too sweet

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.04.08 15:47:59 by Sauce Reply
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  • Sauce,

    Def not, but I think your pic is more realistic then the Stormers winning the S14.

    Would be schweet though, especially if the defending champions are at the bottom of the log.

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.04.08 15:52:30 by Kal-El Reply

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  • Firstly it isn’t the Lions strongest line-up ….but only by a player or 3…. does that amount to throwing in the towel?

    Secondly I put it to you that if the likes of the Chiefs, Highlanders, Reds etc had a tour schedule like the SA teams, we would be seeing them fielding some “second string teams” along the way.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.04.08 15:59:07 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • oh right, didn’t see vermaak out, yeah perhaps a cop out, weak effort.
    Sauce puts forward a very interesting perspective too tho.

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.04.08 16:08:55 by cab Reply

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  • look at it in this way, : the lions mind set will be , we play our full strenght team they put 50 on us we injure 2 key players our season gets worse, or we rest some of our key players they put 50 on us, ag its not so bad we played with our b team

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.04.08 16:12:00 by barend Reply

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  • barend,

    either way, they go into the match thinking their opponents will put 50 points past them…….NOT GOOD. Where’s the towel?

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.04.08 16:23:16 by Kal-El Reply

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  • SAder’s backs look vulnerable this week if Brett isn’t there either… and well if a Saffa side doesn’t fancy their chances in the forwards… then should they be playing S14…

    Why Loffie is pulling a JW… is beyond me… not like the team is going places!

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.04.08 17:14:54 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • I wonder if Eloff had this team in mind already when he said last week that he would no longer be accepting that player don’t offer everything they have in a match.

    HE KNEW he was going to field a B side so he talked kak like that last week

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.04.08 18:33:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Bryce, ja there really is no point in ‘saving’ them, i think its the ignominy of finishing last.

    Kal-el, yeah i dont like that attitude, they are beaten already.

    KSA, maybe, i think everyone must jut relax, he has a limited squad and budget, but the lions have played some good rugby and are competitive…too desperate for a win am afraid.

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.04.08 18:36:33 by cab Reply

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  • Cab

    yeah you could be right.

    Would love to hear some comments from Loffie on the changes made to the team though.

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.04.08 19:01:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Surely in the whole of SA there must be some class players playing Vodacom rugby. These players could help prop up the unions with a limited amount of depth, or are you only allowed to use your squad irrisective of injuries etc. Its honestly embarrasing living here and having SA teams being the whipping Boys. Now Australia has some real depth of Player concerns however they unearth youngsters who seem to step up to the mark almost from day 1. You have to have some self belief and trust your team mates to do the same and go out on the pitch to win. I went to a tiny school 150 of us from Std 6 -Matric and yet we played against PMB College 1st Team, Hilton, Voortrekker etc etc. We never ever went out thinking we would loose we went out to win. And if we were loosing Pride would set in and we made damn sure they had to work Blooody Hard to beat us. Also if we lost a game it wasn’t a pleasant trip back home on the bus. So week in and week out during rugby season we did our best. So that you could be proud of your efforts win or lose.

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.04.08 01:55:23 by Dynamite Reply

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  • Lions to blame for Molefe mess

    Posted in Super 14 by Simon

    The exodus of black players from Ellis Park is a clear sign of a flawed development programme.

    On Sunday afternoon I bumped into Thabang Molefe at a petrol station, writes Simnikiwe Xabanisa. While that’s not exactly breaking news, these chance meetings seem to be the only way I get to see him, despite his being a professional rugby player.

    The Lions centre is on a sabbatical of sorts, having decided to take a break from the game to decide on his future. According to the Lions, that is. Molefe’s side of the story is that he has asked to be released from his contract because he simply hates playing for them. This week, his agent will meet the Lions chief executive to try to resolve the stalemate.

    The reason for the deadlock is simple enough.

    The Lions coaches, at Super 14 and Vodacom Cup level, don’t rate Molefe. Aware of this, Molefe asked to leave so that he could find a slot in a team that would value his contribution.

    A gauge of his desperation is his eagerness to leave, despite not having been made any other offers. But the Lions won’t let him leave because he would be the umpteenth black player to ditch them over the last two years. Lawrence Sephaka, Brian Mujati, Bryan Habana, Ashwin Willemse, Ricky Januarie, Conrad Jantjes and Solly Tyibilika have all left the Lions in recent seasons, some of them acrimonious partings.

    This suggests that the only reason the Lions want to hold on to Molefe is for window-dressing. How else can they explain extending his contract by a year last year, when he first asked to be released? Why did they give a player who has struggled to make their Vodacom Cup side a Super 14 contract?

    The Lions’ handling of Molefe highlights the lack of honesty by some of the provinces in dealing with transformation. In their indecent haste to be seen as a poster union for transformation, the Lions have abandoned all rugby argument in their attempts to keep an unhappy player. At inside centre, Molefe’s all wrong for them. He is a sturdy sort who reminds us of the effective but limited Blue Bulls centre of 2002, Tiaan Joubert. He takes the ball up and smashes anyone who dares run in that channel, but is very limited as a distributor of the ball. The Lions’ game is based on width and pace, so a quick, straight- running distributor like the in-form Walter Venter makes the team.

    At 23, Molefe — a player of the tournament nominee at the 2005 IRB U21 World Championship — should have no problem finding a team looking to use his skill, not to mention his blackness.

    The Lions should determine why their structures, systems and culture are not conducive to producing and keeping black players. They must revise their reasons for contracting black players, especially when those players get so burned by the experience of playing for the Lions that they would rather play for bankrupt provinces such as Border.

    But this entails admitting that their development programme isn’t working — so they’d rather fudge it.

    By Simnikiwe Xabanisa, The Times

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.04.08 07:58:49 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • Jaaaa Swaer, I’m not :shock: ed

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.04.08 08:23:28 by Kal-El Reply

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