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Bulls playing the stalling game


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, In the news on 29 Apr 2008 at 09:30

According to reports, the Blue Bulls Company have requested a postponement to the Labour Court hearing where star lock Bakkies Botha’s grievances against his employers will be heard.

Botha has had no option but to agree to the delay, seemingly in the interests if giving the Union adequate time to prepare their case, in response to his 144-page document outlining why his 5-year contract with the Bulls should be torn up. Botha is keen to weasel out of the lucrative long-term deal, as well as the shorter contract he has signed with SA Rugby, in the interests of earning even more money playing for Toulon in the French second division.

It appears that the moustached brains trust at Loftus might have outmaneuvered him, though. If previous cases of this nature are anything to go by – in particular the incident where Victor Matfield, along with teammates Christo Bezuidenhout and Richard Bands, took SARU to court back in 2004 – Botha could well be in for a long wait before any decision is made at all. Even if his initial application should succeed, the Bulls would presumably have the option of appealing the ruling, tying the player up in further red (or possibly blue) tape for the duration of that process.

In short, Botha may well end up winning a Pyhrric victory, if he wins at all. Should the courts find in his favour, he may well find that he is released from his contract round about the same time that the contract would naturally have ended anyway, leaving his career essentially over. Any such ruling may possibly bode well for other players facing a similar predicament in the future, but it is unlikely to give Botha the sort of benefit he is expecting.

I guess the real lesson here is this: be careful whose advice you take and try not to be too greedy.



55 Comments

  • Sorry Bakkies. I think you’re f*cked. And I think you deserve it, too. Have a nice day!

  • Comment 1, posted at 29.04.08 12:01:33 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • His ‘agent’ is just as much to blame for this debacle. Really amateur.

  • Comment 2, posted at 29.04.08 12:07:12 by racheltjiedebeer Reply

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  • ‘It appears that the moustached brains trust at Loftus’

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 29.04.08 12:13:24 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • John Botha aka Bakkies aka “Dank die Hemelse Vader” should have read his contract before signing.

  • Comment 4, posted at 29.04.08 12:14:11 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • Doesn’t the Bible have a lot to say about greed?

  • Comment 5, posted at 29.04.08 12:18:18 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • Maybe Bakkies wants to give a bigger tithe :wink:

  • Comment 6, posted at 29.04.08 12:20:23 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • yes… let’s give him the benefit of the doubt

  • Comment 7, posted at 29.04.08 12:24:11 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • The love of money is the root of all evil… :roll:

  • Comment 8, posted at 29.04.08 12:29:03 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • #8
    En as iemand oordosis?

  • Comment 9, posted at 29.04.08 12:31:33 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • Juffrou: “Jannie, maak vir my ‘n sin met ‘oordosis’.”
    Jannie: “My ma sê as my pa oor werk was soos hy oordosis, was ons lankal ryk.”

  • Comment 10, posted at 29.04.08 12:35:01 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • you got a chapter and verse for us, Wesali?

  • Comment 11, posted at 29.04.08 12:35:23 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • 1 TIMOTEUS 6:10
    Geldgierigheid is ‘n wortel van allerlei kwaad. Party het geld nagejaag en toe van die geloof afgedwaal; daardeur het hulle hulleself baie ellende op die hals gehaal.

  • Comment 12, posted at 29.04.08 12:39:44 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • Thanks for that.

    I assume “Timoteus” translates to Timothy, not a leading brand of cheapass shampoo?

  • Comment 13, posted at 29.04.08 12:44:22 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • 1 Timothy 6:10
    For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

  • Comment 14, posted at 29.04.08 12:45:14 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • :mrgreen:

  • Comment 15, posted at 29.04.08 12:46:08 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 29.04.08 12:48:11 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • Proverbs 28:25 A greedy man stirs up dissension, but he who trusts in
    the LORD will prosper.

  • Comment 17, posted at 29.04.08 12:48:33 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • #13
    Timotei doesn’t have a 6:10 :lol: although that should be the price.

  • Comment 18, posted at 29.04.08 12:50:00 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • Again in Mark chapter 7:

    But he said that the things which come out from a man, they defile a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.

  • Comment 19, posted at 29.04.08 12:50:54 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • Isaiah 57:17
    I was enraged by his sinful GREED; I punished him, and hid my face in anger, yet he kept on in his willful ways.

  • Comment 20, posted at 29.04.08 12:52:14 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • Rod,
    You surely know the Bible. Either that, or you know your way around the web. :wink:

  • Comment 21, posted at 29.04.08 12:53:07 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • Rod=Rob :mrgreen:
    You too Wes!

  • Comment 22, posted at 29.04.08 12:53:57 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • Proverbs 11:17
    A kind man benefits himself, but a CRUEL man brings trouble on himself.

    :roll:

  • Comment 23, posted at 29.04.08 12:54:59 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • :roll:

  • Comment 24, posted at 29.04.08 12:55:59 by racheltjiedebeer Reply

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  • What does the Bible say about playing someone out of position, or can you only find that on Google?

  • Comment 25, posted at 29.04.08 12:57:40 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • I think the Bull’s management used the euphoria, of winning the S14 last year, to get these guys to sign long contracts and the “Agent” was the greedy one! bet he got a huge commission out of those signed contracts….NOW…..there are even bigger commissions to be made out of bigger contracts… & he wants “In” :grin:
    I think he is using Bakkies as the test case before he gets his sonnie boy into trouble :roll: This case is going to cost Bakkies big money…no matter what the outcome!

  • Comment 26, posted at 29.04.08 12:58:11 by Me2 Reply

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  • This scripture describes the Bulls’ S14 season:

    Exodus 24:5
    Then he sent young Israelite men, and they offered burnt offerings and ‘sacrificed young bulls’ as fellowship offerings to the LORD.

  • Comment 27, posted at 29.04.08 12:58:54 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • Google knows the Bible and I know Google ;)

  • Comment 28, posted at 29.04.08 13:03:35 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • What does the Koran say on breach of contract?

  • Comment 29, posted at 29.04.08 13:04:54 by racheltjiedebeer Reply

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  • It’s not what you know, but rather how fast you can Google. :wink:

  • Comment 30, posted at 29.04.08 13:05:39 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • An evil eye?! Like ‘The Rock’ from WWE?

  • Comment 31, posted at 29.04.08 13:06:14 by racheltjiedebeer Reply

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  • #29
    Break the hand that signed the contract :?: :?:

  • Comment 32, posted at 29.04.08 13:06:54 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • Mac 1 v 3

    “Yeah verily, sayeth I unto you, Dicketh not around with thy backs. Play thy centres at centre and thy flyhalves at flyhalf. For the foolish coach who playeth his centre at flyhalf, or his fullback in the centres, shall surely feeleth the sting of defeat”

  • Comment 33, posted at 29.04.08 13:12:00 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • racheltjie

    You mean ‘the eyebrow’

    Can you smell……….what the ROCK…..is cooking?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 29.04.08 13:12:02 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • That’s it. He lifts one eyebrow. Not that I watch WWE.

  • Comment 35, posted at 29.04.08 13:14:18 by racheltjiedebeer Reply

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  • He’s making movies now. Goes by his real name Dwayne Johnson or something. His parents are Samoan. Or one of them. Or maybe a grandparent. Can’t remember.

  • Comment 36, posted at 29.04.08 13:17:01 by racheltjiedebeer Reply

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  • #33
    That same verse surely also warns against using a long-haired loose forward as a utility back :wink:

  • Comment 37, posted at 29.04.08 13:19:15 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • Dwayne Douglas Johnson[6] (born May 2, 1972)[4], better known by his former ring name The Rock, is an American actor and former professional wrestler.[3] He gained mainstream fame as a standout in World Wrestling Entertainment from 1996 to 2004. Since 2001, he has focused on an acting career, though he still makes occasional WWE appearances for promotional purposes. His last in-ring appearance was at WrestleMania XX in 2004.

    Johnson was a nine-time world champion in his career, including a record-setting seven-time WWE Champion; his last reign was as WWE Undisputed Champion in 2002. He also was the winner of the 2000 Royal Rumble.

    Dwayne Johnson, the son of Ata (née Maivia) and professional wrestler “Soulman” Rocky Johnson, was born in Hayward, California.[4] His maternal grandfather, “High Chief” Peter Maivia, was also a professional wrestler. He is of half black, half Samoan heritage (His mother is Samoan and his father is African-Canadian).[7] Johnson traveled around frequently with his parents and watched his father perform in the ring. He went to such schools as President William McKinley High School in Hawaii. As he entered 11th grade, Johnson’s father’s job required his relocation to Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, in the state’s Lehigh Valley region. He began playing football at Bethlehem’s Freedom High School in the highly competitive Lehigh Valley Conference.[7] In addition to playing football at Freedom High School, he also was a member of the high school’s track and field and wrestling teams.[7]

    For a brief period, Johnson lived in Auckland, New Zealand, with his mother’s family.[8] During this time his mother Ata ensured Johnson was exposed to one of the urban Polynesian cultural strongholds of the Southern Hemisphere.[8] Johnson attended Richmond Road Primary School before returning to the U.S. with his parents.[8]

  • Comment 38, posted at 29.04.08 13:19:22 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • #38
    So he can play rugby for Samoa, Boks, Canada or All Blacks :shock:

  • Comment 39, posted at 29.04.08 13:22:29 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • sounds like it ;)

  • Comment 40, posted at 29.04.08 13:27:19 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • But the kind of money he’s making, he might be better off at Toulon. :lol:

  • Comment 41, posted at 29.04.08 13:38:00 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

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  • I actually watched one of his movies the other evening: Walking Tall

    I think he’s a great actor.

  • Comment 42, posted at 29.04.08 13:42:42 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • he was utterly superb in “Be Cool”

  • Comment 43, posted at 29.04.08 13:49:50 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • An oscar can’t be far off then? :roll:

  • Comment 44, posted at 29.04.08 13:52:53 by racheltjiedebeer Reply

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  • I think i’m in the wrong website :shock:

  • Comment 45, posted at 29.04.08 13:59:02 by blackshark (JAWS) Reply

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  • In ‘Be Cool’ he played an aspiring Gay Actor.

    What did you particularly enjoy about his role Rob??? :lol:

  • Comment 46, posted at 29.04.08 14:00:18 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • the way he reminded me so much of my friends from the Cape

  • Comment 47, posted at 29.04.08 14:01:58 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • It’s the ‘peoples’ eyebrow…

  • Comment 48, posted at 29.04.08 14:07:22 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • bryce

    I thought it was the peoples elbow.

    :oops:

  • Comment 49, posted at 29.04.08 14:24:55 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • Hehehe exactly…

  • Comment 50, posted at 29.04.08 14:28:22 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • I have crush requests? :shock:

  • Comment 51, posted at 29.04.08 14:56:30 by blackshark (JAWS) Reply

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  • are you surprised?

  • Comment 52, posted at 29.04.08 15:12:15 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • he is great the “the gameplan” as well. Where his little daughter that he didn’t know he had to live with him suddenly

  • Comment 53, posted at 29.04.08 15:38:08 by KSA Shark © (FJ!ELN!) Reply

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  • Reckon Botha will win this but its anybody’s guess as to how long it will take.

    The reason I say so – well, hear me out and perhaps BF or some other cretin from the soliciting world could express opinion.

    Basically rugby contracts are only binding because they include a restraint of trade clause meaning, basically, he isn’t forced to work for them but if he walks away he cannot work anywhere else in the same line of work i.e. he doesnt need to sit with the BB but he isn’t allowed to play elsewhere.

    Now recalling my second year labour law course, which I recall vividly as I had to do it twice, a restraint of trade clause can only be enforced if its not too wide in its application.
    Examples abound of where such clauses were found invalid, often becasue the scope was simply too wide, either in gegraphical terms or in the length of time it can be enforced.

    Generally, in other areas of work, anything more than a year has been ruled invalid.

    Now here’s the interesting part: courts dont amend restraint of trade clauses, they rule them either valid or invalid.
    As such, should the courts rule that the scope of Bakkies’ restraint of trade clause is too wide then they’ll simply rule it invalid and not change simply reduce the length from 5 years to say 1 year.

    And that, dear friends, is why I think Bakkies might actually wriggle out of this mess him, and to a larger degree Banana Habana, has got themselves into.

    BF, or anybody else for that matter, please feel free to put forward another opinion.

  • Comment 54, posted at 29.04.08 18:11:15 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • problem is, how long will it take them to rule on this, Vin?

  • Comment 55, posted at 29.04.08 18:14:59 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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