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Muir: Sharks got it wrong!


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Sharks, Super 14 on 12 May 2008 at 06:34

Sharks coach Dick Muir has conceded that his team’s conservative approach in the Super 14 rugby competition this season cost them dearly.

“If we played more positively since the start of the season, we would not have been in this position,” Muir said after the 33-14 victory over the Cheetahs here on Saturday.

Liam Del Carme writes in Beeld that the Sharks, who have a battle on their hands to qualify for the semi-finals, shot themselves in the foot by not adopting a more attacking strategy earlier.

Muir said they had been too concerned about the wet and humid conditions they had encountered in Durban at the start of their campaign

“Things could have been different if one takes bonus points into consideration,” he acknowledged.

The Sharks, runners-up last year, earned only three bonus points in scoring 25 tries in 12 matches this season. Now they have to go on a scoring spree against the Chiefs on Saturday to get into the playoffs.

And to make it even more difficult, they are almost certain to be without their game-breaking star, Frans Steyn.

“Frans has a rib injury. I don’t know how serious it is. Maybe he will have to rest for a week; maybe two weeks,” Muir said.

Should have Johann Muller back

Steyn was injured when he was tackled into touch during the match against the Cheetahs but he continued playing.

However, the Sharks should have their captain, Springbok lock Johann Muller, back this week.

“Johann should play and we can also retain Johan Ackermann if he takes his Salusa 45,” Muir joked after the recall of the 37-year-old retired Springbok.

Muir realises all to well that the Chiefs will present a different proposition to his team than the Cheetahs did.

“It’s a huge challenge. They have some superstars and game breakers. We will approach the game as if it is a knock-out match,” he said.

“Earlier it was about playing for a semi-final at home; now it’s about survival,” he added.

Cheetahs coach Naka Drotské believes the Sharks will do well if they reach the playoff stage.

“I think the Sharks, along with the Waratahs, have the best defence system. It’s hard to score tries against them.

“They needed a spark to score four tries (against the Cheetahs) and it will do a lot for their confidence that they succeeded,” Drotské said.

“Any team in the competition can beat any of the other teams. If they get into the playoffs, they will, with their defence system, have a good chance.”



72 Comments

  • Morning guys…

    Not exactly the blitz we were praying for but the Cheetahs gave us a tough game and in the end we managed to sneak in 2 much needed tries.

    Ok…now we can start with the permutations…

    I know we need to score as many tries as we can against the Chiefs…but who do we need to do what? I need to plan how to use my muti magic…

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.05.08 07:46:52 by blackshark N.R.N.S! Reply
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  • Hurricanes need to lose to the Blues in Auckland – VERY Possible

    Reds need to beat the Tahs in Brisbane – Also very possible

    Stormers need to beat Lions at Ellis. – if Lions win they will not be 14th. So a lot to play for.

    Sharks need to beat Chiefs in Dbn. Very possible after their injuries and the suspension of May for his Red Card

    Only away team that needs to win is the Stormers

    So if the above happens it will put the Sharks and Stormers in 2nd and 3rd.

    Which one goes where will be determined if they score 4 or 5 log points.

    If they score the same log points the Sharks will need to beat the Chiefs by 9 more than the Stormers beat the Lions by to end above them on Points difference.

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.05.08 08:33:02 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Ksa, one other thing to consider is the Blues. If they get 5 points they could overtake Sharks and Stormers if either side only gets 4

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.05.08 08:37:46 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • True!!! Didn’t look at that.

    Go REDS
    Go CANES
    Go LIONS — but only by enough to give the Sharks a Home semi against the Stormers :wink:

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.05.08 08:48:16 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Go Canes? Nooit, bru… go Blues, but not by enough to get a bonus point.

    A 10-0 win by the Blues would do fine ;)

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.05.08 09:13:13 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • THAT WAS supposed to be Go BLUES :oops:

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.05.08 09:16:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I think we still want the Stormers in the semis… so it would be cool if they beat the Lions, but not by too much. We want the Reds to annihilate the Tahs

    That way we can get Saders, Sharks, Stormers, Tahs/Canes/Blues

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.05.08 09:19:44 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • ok – here’s best-case scenario…

    Stormers beat Lions with a bonus point, in a high-scoring game. They win by 7.

    Reds deny Tahs any points.
    Blues deny Canes any points and themselves pick up 5.
    Sharks beat the Chiefs with bonus point by 17.

    That means it’s Saders against Blues (and the Blues could take them) and Sharks v Stormers in Durban.

    Sharks Blues final in Durban, which we’ll win.

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.05.08 09:25:07 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • so – no Fransie this weekend?

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.05.08 09:25:25 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • :?: WHY :?:

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.05.08 09:31:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • His ribbetjies…

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.05.08 09:33:26 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • :cry: :mad:

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.05.08 09:36:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA – do you not READ the articles you post? ;)

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.05.08 09:38:50 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • iF IT AIN’T IN THE FIRST THREE PARAGRAPHS………….it ain’t gonna be read. :lol:

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.05.08 09:40:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Hi Rob – I must say the short period Brad was on the field – you could just see the class showing.

    I thought Adi did well – better than Waylon did when he came on.

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.05.08 09:41:16 by Nessa Reply

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  • ok – I’m outta here.

    Catch you guys this afternoon ;)

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.05.08 09:42:08 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • On the topic of the article: I read it with much frustration.

    Was nobody else helluva confused throughout the season with Dick carrying on about “unfavourable conditions?” Where did this new crap come from that, if the ball is wet, you can’t play expansive rugby?

    Anyhow, great games over the weekend, I watched all of the local teams play (first time in a while) and I was pretty impressed with the Sharks performance overall. A few points though:

    Frans Steyn (and I am a big fan) once again demonstrated that he is increasingly unaware of the difference between creative flair and downright irresponsible and silly play. The Cheetah’s should NEVER have scored that try at the end of the first half, and it was another moment of sheer madness from Steyn that allowed them to do so.

    I’m getting tired of defending the guy with excuses like “he’s young” or “he’s not afraid to try new things.” He certainly can’t claim inexperience: he’s now a veteran of a S14 and RWC final. He needs to get his head in the right place.

    Another thing: the Sharks demonstrated a MUCH better attitude on Saturday. They took contact fearlessly (even JP) and really looked like they WANTED the win. This is a welcome change in their mental position which has been annoyingly nonchalant almost all season.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.05.08 09:49:08 by Waz Reply

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  • Morning Waz. Agree with your comments above.

    Thanks for a great Mother’s Day yesterday – had a nice peaceful relaxing day with my family. Loved it.

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.05.08 10:04:56 by Nessa Reply

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  • Glad you had a nice day mom. I was a bit disappointed with some of the organisation issues but thought it was a nice day otherwise.

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.05.08 10:18:46 by Waz Reply

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  • Typical Mr Perfect…. :wink:

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.05.08 10:22:58 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • He is hey Ice? Lucky mom I am. :grin:

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.05.08 10:25:50 by Nessa Reply

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  • Oi! You’re embarrassing me in front of all the rugger-heads!

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.05.08 10:32:47 by Waz Reply

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  • #22 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.05.08 10:41:07 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • Sorry Waz! :twisted:

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.05.08 10:41:33 by Nessa Reply

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  • I’m not sure, obviously bonus points are great, as is open rugby, but sometimes you can only play the way the opposition allows and with good go-forward ball – i am not sure the sharks have had this.

    I truly believe it to be a very good season execpt for the brumbies game, the 2nd half was diabolical, but the sharks need to go out and beat the chiefs by as many as possible ( i really do hope Luaki is not playing otherwise trouble).

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.05.08 10:55:40 by cab Reply

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  • The BIG advantage for the Sharks will be that they know EXACTLY what is required of them by the time they play.

    They play the last match of the league.

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.05.08 10:58:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I guess that’s a great advantage to have….hopefully we’ll be able to use it.

    I agree with Waz on Frans botched kick and missed tackle that allowed the Cheetahs to jog to the tryline…that’s the kinda stuff we really don’t need in these tense times.

    Go REEEEDS, BLUUUEEES…

    …good luck Stormers…just don’t do anything silly like trying to finish above us. :lol:

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.05.08 11:07:39 by blackshark N.R.N.S! Reply

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  • Cab it was the Tahs game too…

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.05.08 11:10:00 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • 25. That’s fair enough Cab, and I’m not advocating expansive play in every game. It was our tight game this weekend that secured the first couple of tries against the Cheetahs, so obviously we need to adapt our game to the situation.

    But early in the season we saw the Sharks kicking away plenty of possession, and doing almost nothing with the back-line as a result. Only when we have kept the ball in hand, whether with the forwards or the backs, have we seen the Sharks look truly threatening. I’m glad this rubbish about “conditions” has been put to bed by Muir himself, so that the Sharks can just get on and play their game.

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.05.08 11:20:31 by Waz Reply

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  • Bryce,
    i reckon the sharks deserved to lose to the Tahs who simply outplayed them (injuries to Muller and Bismark?) and losing to the Saders is obviously no disgrace (nothing in it), but i thought sharks had the beating of the brumbies and its the one match they let themselves down and should have targetted to be in the semi confortably by now.

    But its still a fine season with all to play for this weekend.

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.05.08 11:22:33 by cab Reply

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  • Waz,
    yes agree with the pointless kicking, seems even ruan is guilty of this. There were also alot of sharks fans on here that insisted sharks were not getting the BPs, probably correct, but i think with all the players moves at end of last it was a damn fine start with some gritty wins.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.05.08 11:25:21 by cab Reply

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  • 28. Agree Bryce, that Waratah’s game was absolutely awful. There was not a single positive thing to take away from that game. The guys looked exhausted and completely out of it.

    I thought the Brumbies game was actually quite good, and it was more a case of their dominance in the 2nd half than our failure. The Waratah’s game the Sharks didn’t even pitch up for.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.05.08 11:27:18 by Waz Reply

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  • 31. Yeah, I don’t think it’s necessary to grab a bonus point every single game. After all, we were pretty secure in our position on the log without the bonus points until we drew one game and dropped the next three on the trot. No team can afford to play like that if they want to seriously contest the title.

    On a side note, I’m actually kind of hoping that Fred heads back to Frans so that we can play guys like Ruan, Frans and Brad more consistently. I think all the chopping and changing with the backs has hurt individual performances a bit.

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.05.08 11:32:16 by Waz Reply

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  • 31. Yeah, I don’t think it’s necessary to grab a bonus point every single game. After all, we were pretty secure in our position on the log without the bonus points until we drew one game and dropped the next three on the trot. No team can afford to play like that if they want to seriously contest the title.

    On a side note, I’m actually kind of hoping that Fred heads back to France so that we can play guys like Ruan, Frans and Brad more consistently. I think all the chopping and changing with the backs has hurt individual performances a bit.

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.05.08 11:32:18 by Waz Reply

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  • Sorry for the double-post :D

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.05.08 11:33:29 by Waz Reply

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  • yeah would also prefer to see ruan getting some regular game time at 10 to see if he can develop into a great flyhalf that we need.

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.05.08 12:41:11 by cab Reply

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  • 36. Been hoping Steyn would be that magic number 10 but he seems to play a very polar game, and shows little sign of building up some consistency.

    Been relatively impressed with Ruan at 10, and reckon that Fred just crowds the back-line, play-maker though he may be.

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.05.08 12:49:56 by Waz Reply

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  • yeah steyn seems to have the boot for 10, but perhaps a bit scatterbrain and slow on the ball if u know what i mean. for the boks with Jacque Fourie now fit, there’s a real dileman in what to do with Steyn, JdV and Fourie.

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.05.08 13:14:17 by cab Reply

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  • At the MOMENT it is pretty clear to me that it should be a JdV / Fourie midfield for the Boks.

    Be it playing out of position, or whatever the reason, Steyn doesn’t have the goods at this particular moment in time and should not be first choice 12 for the Boks.

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.05.08 13:25:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I was very impressed with Ruan at 10… mostly because he hardly kicked at all, but just gave the outside backs loads of quality ball to work with.

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.05.08 13:31:27 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • Agree KSA. Think starting Steyn in the Bok backline will just add fuel to his “loskop-ness” this season. Amazing that Fourie was back to his best after coming straight back from injury… At least JDV knows there is competition.

    On Michalak, personally I would like him to come back for the CC, purely to recoup our investment in him & add to backline depth. Ok look he was overshadowed in the S14 by class flyhalves like Carter, Evans, Brett etc but i reckon he will sizzle at Currie Cup level. Let’s face it, Steyn & Pienaar will prob be with the Boks, so I reckon we give Adi & Brad the 10-12 jumpers,then throw Fred on as a supersub.

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.05.08 13:33:41 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • 40. Hope he can keep it up though. The week before, in the same jersey, he kicked away nearly everything.

    All the more reason to run these guys in one position though. I just can’t see any real value in wasting guys like Ruan by playing them as a “utility” player, swapping them into whatever jersey you think they’ll fit, week after week. We remember great players by associating them with a particular position, don’t we? We’re not going to be saying “Hey, remember that guy Pienaar who played 9, 10, 11, 14 15?”

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.05.08 13:35:40 by Waz Reply

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  • Irrespective of what happens in the S14 this season, 2008 HAS to be the year the Sharks WIN THE CURRIE CUP!

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.05.08 13:36:13 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • KSA,
    tend to agree, JdV been in outstanding form, thing is Steyn could be a great 12. perhaps but 10. Jdv 12. Steyn 13. Fourie?

    Rob,
    yip always liked RP for 10, the more he plays there, the more he’ll run onto it and get the backline going (like last game), Grant is also a v good flyhalf when he attacks the gain line, but can be poor otherwise.

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.05.08 13:37:14 by cab Reply

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  • 41. Did Fred sign for CC play though? I’m not sure he’s interested in anything but S14 game-time.

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.05.08 13:37:26 by Waz Reply

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  • Yes he did. Michalak signed for the entire season.

    Anyway, one would thing that its actually in his best interest to play Currie Cup rugby if he wants to play in Les Bleus’ autumn tests, cause the European season is now over & he won’t get any game time before then, AND quite frankly he showed nothing in the S14 that would make an automatic selction for the French team.

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.05.08 13:43:27 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Trinh-Duc is looking a far better prospect, hell his team (with Carthorse Rees at 12 & Frikkie Welsh at 11) even beat the star-studded Toulouse team this weekend…

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.05.08 13:44:44 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Has the Bokke Oefen Groep been announced as yet?
    Heard something of the sort and that Jaques Fourie is not included…
    That will be a tragedy of NOTE

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.05.08 14:02:43 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Hey quins…

    How you doing?

  • Comment 49, posted at 12.05.08 14:03:06 by Hmmm Reply

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  • being announced on 17 May.

    (Stop thread hopping I can’t keep up) :wink:

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.05.08 14:08:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Getting to old KSA?

    LoL

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.05.08 14:09:02 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Oh ok KSA…good almost got a heart attack there…

    JFourie in his first game back looked loads better than any 13 that was fielded by a SA side to date in teh tourno…

  • Comment 52, posted at 12.05.08 14:10:05 by Hmmm Reply

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  • g’day Hmmmy, long time eh?

    Well done for last weekend, hope you klap those Strompies this weekend ;) !

  • Comment 53, posted at 12.05.08 14:10:24 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Coincidently I will be getting a year older on May 17. :wink:

    that’s the only reason I know when it will be announced.

  • Comment 54, posted at 12.05.08 14:12:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • exactly HOW old?

    Big 5-0? :?:

  • Comment 55, posted at 12.05.08 14:15:02 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • LoL

    Believ e it or not I am shouting for the Stormers….
    But the LIONS should give them a super hard time…
    And score 4 tries and be within 7…
    So we can moved squared with the Highlanders on log points…

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.05.08 14:19:19 by Hmmm Reply

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  • And I want JFourie to run through and score 3 tries…even if he has to run over Jean and Bobo at the same time…

    Jinne but he seemed powerful on Saturday…bouncing off those big guys as if they were nothing…and a few great hand-off’s too…

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.05.08 14:24:47 by Hmmm Reply

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  • And the reason for that is the LIONS cannot pass the Reds at all…
    And we rooting for the Reds to cause upset anyhow…

    So we can pass the Highlanders but that will only help SA if the Cheethas beat the Bulls…

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.05.08 14:27:29 by Hmmm Reply

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  • 55

    Exactly ONE year Older
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    I was born in 1969. THINK I am turning 39. :roll:

    Kette keeps track for me normally. :wink:

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.05.08 14:29:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Plus the LIONS could not score 4 tries in any given game the whole season so hoping that they will do it in the last game against the Stormers who have had low scoring games against all will be ridiculous…

    I mean even the Sharks have been able to do so twice this season…

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.05.08 14:29:38 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Hmmmm :?:

    You are on 12 points If you score 4 tries and lose by less than 7 then you get TWO points. That will put you on 14. Reds have 17 ALREADY :?: :?: :?:

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.05.08 14:30:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Well happy B-day for Saturday then KSA…in case I am not around….

    And yes your math’s was correct with 39…don’t know if that is surprising…

  • Comment 62, posted at 12.05.08 14:31:55 by Hmmm Reply

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  • I will decide who I’m supporting in that game based on how the Blues-Canes and Reds-Tahs matches go… ;)

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.05.08 14:41:58 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • Yeh KSA…
    Exactly my point…we cannot pass the Reds as it is (they on 17 by the way)…plus I am rooting for the Reds to win anyways…
    If we miraculously get 2 points out of teh game we can square on log points and Cheetahs none we can move out of 14th….but our points dif is way below so we will stay in 14th if the Cheetahs lose with 7….

    Hence why I am a Stormer for 1 week and 1 week only….

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.05.08 14:41:59 by Hmmm Reply

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  • 63

    Hehehehe

    Go Lions!!!!!!!! And by that i mean i think the Canes and tahs are going to win.

  • Comment 65, posted at 12.05.08 14:45:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I don’t see the Canes winning. The Blues are on fire right now

  • Comment 66, posted at 12.05.08 14:46:40 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • My gut-feel for top four is:

    1 Saders
    2 Tahs
    3 Sharks
    4 Blues

  • Comment 67, posted at 12.05.08 14:47:04 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • Either way i am going home now. :cool:

    PC staying in the office this evening. time to have a nice quite night with Kette………………

    Cheers all, see you in the am.

  • Comment 68, posted at 12.05.08 14:49:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • cheers oubaas

  • Comment 69, posted at 12.05.08 14:55:50 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • My gut-feel for top four is:

    1 Saders
    2 Tahs
    3 Sharks
    4 Blues

    Comment 67 of 69, posted at 12.05.08 14:47:04 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!)

    Hopefully you’re wrong Rob…

  • Comment 70, posted at 12.05.08 15:06:00 by blackshark N.R.N.S! Reply

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  • I would like

    Saders, Sharks, Stormers, Blues… quite honestly, I don’t really feel the Reds can take the Tahs.

    Sharks can beat the Tahs in Sydney, though

  • Comment 71, posted at 12.05.08 15:13:15 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • #68 woohoo :cool: :razz: :oops:

  • Comment 72, posted at 12.05.08 15:13:34 by KSA Sharkette Reply

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