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Waugh furious at ref’s blunders


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Stormers, Super 14 on 12 May 2008 at 07:12
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The Waratahs are livid with New Zealand referee Lyndon Bray for not awarding a long-arm penalty in the last minute of their 13-13 draw with the Stormers that could have won them the match.

Rupert Guiness writes on RugbyHeaven Aus that the incident took place well after the siren had sounded when No.6 Rocky Elsom burst down the right flank to within 10 metres of the Stormers’ try line. Elsom passed the ball in the tackle only for an offside Stormer to tap it to ground, an infringement that should have given NSW a long-arm penalty and the option of a shot at goal.

The Waratahs believe five-eighth Kurtley Beale would have kicked the penalty after watching him convert Lote Tuqiri’s 69th-minute try from a more acute angle and further out. Beale’s conversion, which tied the scores 13-13, was amazing, especially considering the torrential rain and wind whipping across the Newlands ground and the ferocious crowd of 45,712.

There was no indication the Waratahs were planning to lodge a formal complaint, but captain and man of the match Phil Waugh didn’t hesitate to express his feelings about Bray’s decision to award NSW a short-arm penalty.

From the subsequent quick tap, Beale attempted to steal a win with a drop goal but it was charged down.

“Rocky runs, is tackled, puts the ball infield and their whole team is offside,” Waugh said. “The ref puts his arm out for an advantage and gives us a free kick. All these things add up. They are critical plays in the game that change the competition.”

Waugh’s frustration with the refereeing this season has been building throughout the year. And he came close to boiling point when one South African journalist took him to task over his side’s tactics at the breakdown and their alleged killing of the ball.

“I don’t know if you were watching the same game. You obviously weren’t. But every time we were on our feet, mate,” an angry Waugh said. “Go back and watch the video, have a another look. Because we were on our feet. The referee is playing the ruck … you can shake your head as much as you want, but go back and watch the game.”

The draw gave the Waratahs two points to hold third spot on the table on 39 points. NSW ended their two-match South African tour lamenting what could have been, after they lost 16-13 to the Bulls in Pretoria last week.

“Ten points were on offer. We got three. It is probably disappointing,” Waugh said.

He said the Waratahs were let down by poor kicking in the first half and some basic errors. But he was happy with his side’s performance after the break.

“Every point they got was from our mistakes,” Waugh said of the Stormers’ two tries, scored by wingers Sireli Naqelevuki and Wylie Human in the eighth and 41st minutes.

Human’s try hurt the most. He charged down a kick by Lachie Turner (who left the field in the 51st minute) and scooped up the loose ball to cross and give the Stormers a 10-6 lead.

“We are just putting ourselves under pressure,” Waugh said. “The majority of points scored against us have been from our areas and not keeping to our game plan.

“We recognised that, and the start of the second half [with Human's try] was a critical part of the game and they scored off the kick-off. It gets frustrating and we need to address it.”

However, the Waratahs pack deserved praise. Even Stormers coach Rassie Erasmus acknowledged the visitors dominated up front, especially in the scrum, which he said was a Waratahs’ weapon.

The challenge Waugh and his troops now face after having played in yet another rain-sodden game is backing up for Saturday’s clash against the Reds in Brisbane.

“I don’t know what the weather is doing in Brisbane. We will probably break the drought there.” Waugh joked. “This week is about attitude and about mentally getting it right.”

Waratahs coach Ewen McKenzie was willing to look at the positives after the disappointing result.

“I wouldn’t say I am pleased. [But] I am pleased we got back in the game from behind [twice],” McKenzie said. “I am pleased we got a couple of points out of it.

“We had plenty of advantage out there. Our scrum and lineout work was good. Our defensive line was excellent. We had possession. We did a lot of work.

“We played direct. But in the end, for whatever reason, we couldn’t get across the line.”



32 Comments

  • Don’t know how they held on in those dying minutes… but they did… phew…

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.05.08 07:31:42 by bryce_in_oz Reply
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  • Bite me
    :twisted:

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.05.08 11:13:34 by Namboer Reply
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  • Myself thought Bray was poor. His inconsistency in the rucks and mauls had me nearly throw something at the TV. Screaming at Francois Louw a couple of times and letting the Tahs get away with murder. Louw in the end lucky to escape yellow with that knee but myself would have done the same when the players never intend to roll away from our side. Maybe he was on his feet like Waugh state.

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.05.08 11:22:57 by PaarlBok Reply
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  • Louw should be cited for that knee (which was preceded by a punch). Disgusting stuff.

    Otherwise felt bad for the Stormers, the game was played with massive energy by both sides, and I was really impressed with the turnout at Newlands despite the rain: the Kings Park crowd could learn a lesson or two from that.

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.05.08 11:39:42 by Waz Reply
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  • lucky to escape Yellow????????????????????

    IT should have been a Red! And he should’ve been at the start of a nice little vacation by now.

    Another example of SANZAR not just benefitting the Kiwi’s and the Aussies.

    it was an intentional knee to the face. He was looking down at the guy as he went down with the knee.

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.05.08 11:43:55 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Ja and Vickerman throwing puches all over Bekker. I dont know but in my days you wont dare that kind of play. :roll:

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.05.08 11:46:19 by PaarlBok Reply
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  • We all know that there is plenty of dirty play in rugby that we don’t see on TV, particularly deep in the rucks, mauls and scrums. There is also a certain level of gamesmanship in pissing an opponent off to the extent that he earns himself a yellow.

    But when you blatantly jump with your knee on a guy’s head, a guy who is lying on the ground underneath you, you should receive an immediate red card and citing for your efforts, thanks. If Epi got a red for his ridiculous head-butt then I don’t see why this one should go unpunished.

    Made all the worse that the ref actually saw it (he commented to Jean about it) but chose to do nothing. I have a particularly dim view of these sorts of blatant off-the-ball incidents.

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.05.08 12:07:49 by Waz Reply
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  • you and me both Waz

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.05.08 12:15:58 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Dont agree to compare Epi’s head butt at all to this one. His head butt was just plain want to hurt the opposition player from start. Rugby aint for sussies and if the one player keep dragging and hanging on the wrong side of the ruck , the ref screaming at him to go away and he just throw a blind ear , well then you take the law in your own hands.

    Epi head first for no reason running head first, vok me. :roll:

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.05.08 12:18:41 by PaarlBok Reply
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  • Sorry PaarlBok but don’t agree with that at all.

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.05.08 12:20:36 by Nessa Reply
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  • Have to say, my first reaction was that Louw would get a red card. Very fortunate.

    Has Vickerman been cited for his punch on Bekker? If not why not?

    Didn’t see the Chiefs red card, but I believe he stepped on an oke’s face and only got 3 weeks? :evil:

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.05.08 12:22:15 by racheltjiedebeer Reply
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  • Nessa which part? Do you think butting someone with the head or knee the same thing?

    Agree with rachel he was lucky to escape a card but this cant be the same as the Epi one.

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.05.08 12:29:55 by PaarlBok Reply
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  • Dont agree to compare Epi’s head butt at all to this one. His head butt was just plain want to hurt the opposition player from start.

    And Louws intention was a dinner date?

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.05.08 12:40:02 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Rugby aint for sussies and if the one player keep dragging and hanging on the wrong side of the ruck , the ref screaming at him to go away and he just throw a blind ear , well then you take the law in your own hands.

    Is the knee joined to the hand? I had no problem when Louw klapped the guy, but to then fall on his face with the knee…………. :evil:

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.05.08 12:42:14 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Nessa which part? Do you think butting someone with the head or knee the same thing?

    Agree with rachel he was lucky to escape a card but this cant be the same as the Epi one.

    Comment 12 of 14, posted at 12.05.08 12:29:55 by PaarlBok Edit

    I Certainly believe it can be seen as the same thing. It is more a question of WHAT he was attacking. If it was a knee to the ribs I would have been laughing at the Aussie. It was the face however and that is no laughing matter.

    In the same vain if Taione’s head had connected the players chest or stomach he would not even have got a penalty against him.

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.05.08 12:45:55 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • 12. What, is a head-butt somehow more dangerous than a knee to the face on the ground? Epi intended to hurt, did Louw hope to accomplish something else with his knee? Sorry, I don’t buy that.

    First of all, I don’t agree with taking the law into your own hands in a rugby game. If you do so, you’re putting yourself and the rest of the team at the mercy of your suspension.

    You keep saying rugby ain’t for sussies: does that imply you need a certain element of thuggery to play the game? The Bulls like to play that way, and I don’t see them accomplishing very much of late. I also don’t see the Crusaders throwing hooks, knees, elbows and head-butts to secure their position at the top of the log. You can be tough without being dirty, no?

    I reckon that, had that been a ‘Tah taking the law into his own hands in a similar fashion, Stormers supporters would be baying for his blood!

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.05.08 12:46:13 by Waz Reply
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  • Oh well the opponent was hanging and kept on jabing on the wrong side of the ruck. Maybe he should have said “Help yourself Keep on slowing our ball down, or throwing a tantrum like a teenager” .

    Vokkit we need the old rucking laws urgently these days. If you are on the wrong side, trap hom uit. We need that as a ELV law!

    This should sort out all the grey areas of mauling and rucking.

    Epi totally different. Head Butt Boet.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.05.08 12:48:03 by PaarlBok Reply
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  • Rachel

    No Vickerman hasn’t been cited (at least there is nothing anywhere about it) But my 9 year old daughter would have stood up to that punch. It was a bit of a nothing really and can be seen as part of the game. (Argie bargie if you will)

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.05.08 12:49:54 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • PaarlBok – sorry, had to do some urgent work.

    I can’t agree that just because the guy is lying in the wrong place you are justified in crushing his scull. When is it okay and when is it not? I think we are talking about the concept here of consistency.

    Well, off to do some shopping, back later.

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.05.08 12:56:07 by Nessa Reply
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  • 17. Problem is the old rucking laws led to some nasty incidents when opposing players trapped (can’t always get out from underneath 4 other forwards) on the wrong side of the rug bought themselves some ugly scars.

    I’d rather see the laws being called properly by the damn refs and have them properly penalise cynical play at the breakdown.

    Let’s not forget that Bray is hardly a paragon of the international referee: that little incident during a match where he instructed John Smit to talk to his boys and then blew for play to continue when the entire Springbok team was in a huddle, rates as the single worst mistake from a referee I’ve ever seen.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.05.08 12:56:17 by Waz Reply
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  • He should be cited for throwing a sissy punch then. :grin:

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.05.08 12:58:47 by racheltjiedebeer Reply
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  • 21 :lol:

    OR offered a Contract at the Stormers. :wink:

    (Semi-Final banter officially started?) :lol:

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.05.08 13:06:56 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • #20

    Waz i agree.

    Accept on the Ireland try against the Boks. They was Dickenson or Honiss not Bray. :wink:

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.05.08 13:08:59 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • that was Honiss

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.05.08 13:10:50 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • #22 Very funny. Bring it on.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.05.08 13:12:07 by racheltjiedebeer Reply

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  • 23. Was it? :shock:

    My Dad and I were discussing it and we thought it was Lyndon Bray. Oops! :) He still sucked on Sat though.

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.05.08 13:13:00 by Waz Reply

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  • The refs sucked big time this S14 , most of them. Not many has been consistent at the rucks and mauls. This make the ELVs looked bad. If you watch our lower level of rugby the ELV’s look so different. The biggest problem was and still is rucks.

    qoute:
    I’d rather see the laws being called properly by the damn refs and have them properly penalise cynical play at the breakdown.

    Sorry, wont happen. Only consistency. To many one team this and the opponents that.

    qoute:
    17. Problem is the old rucking laws led to some nasty incidents when opposing players trapped (can’t always get out from underneath 4 other forwards) on the wrong side of the rug bought themselves some ugly scars.

    Mummies little boytjies then. That rule was there for years and you sure as hell disappear quickly without any refs help.

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.05.08 13:28:54 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Rucking…maybe OK ….BUT stomping..BIG NO NO!!
    That’s why I’m pleased to see the end of rucking…remember how the ABs used to fly into the breakdown both feet pumping…using their “damaged” aluminium studs to great effect :!: :?: :!:

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.05.08 13:42:05 by Me2 Reply

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  • Sorry :oops: so rude of me not to say “Good Afternoon all” !

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.05.08 13:43:09 by Me2 Reply

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  • 28. Precisely Me2. Hated seeing that sort of thing, and glad it’s a thing of the past.

    PB: guess we’ll need to agree to disagree then. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.05.08 14:01:50 by Waz Reply

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  • Waz
    PB: guess we’ll need to agree to disagree then.

    No probs. You just have to make peace with the refs then. :cool:

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.05.08 15:27:45 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • PB need you over on the Ollie thread buddie

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.05.08 15:28:38 by Slayton Caville Reply
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