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Sharks to lose Fred?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 13 May 2008 at 11:08
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French flyhalf Frederick Michalak is in talks with his former club, Toulouse and may well turn out for them once he recovers from his knee injury.

Michalak still has an option to return to Durban to play for the Sharks in the Currie Cup. The word is, though, that if he wants to force his way back into contention to represent France, he needs to be playing regularly in the French domestic league.

Michalak first played for Toulouse as a 16 year old and the club has a very fond place in the maverick flyhalf’s heart. It is unlikely that he would want to play anywhere else in France. Apparently, he started talks with them before he was injured in the match against the Waratahs three weeks ago, meaning that he probably never really intended staying with the Sharks after the Super 14 anyway.

More on this story as it develops.



44 Comments

  • So be it…..as long as the Sharks get a discount and Rudolph and those responsible get a bonus cut

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.05.08 11:17:36 by Dive Pass Reply
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  • Ja, apparently the guy was ready to leave halfway thru the Super14.
    He called off an engagement to come to Durban, now he wants to go….headcase.

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.05.08 11:20:24 by CapeShark Reply
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  • Pfff, Dan Carter is still in talks with Toulouse as well. Carter vs Michalak, I know who I’d choose.

    Apparently Michalak has also had “talks” with Biarritz & Bayonne, so maybe he’s just putting out feelers?

    Anyhoo, how does the Currie Cup really affect him playing in France? He misses 1 month max of their season, at best, as the European season starts in September.

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.05.08 11:21:29 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Good, now get Pienaar more game time there.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.05.08 11:30:36 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 4) : Agreed, it is the way forward for Pienaar….your pal Jake was right

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.05.08 11:32:48 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 5) : But will Pienaar play in the Currie Cup?

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.05.08 11:33:14 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • And when he’s with the Boks?
    I think the little french prima donna owes the Sharks in a way, as he was more disruptive than we all anticipated this campaign. How much money did the Sharks blow on him? So I’d personally like to see him as cover for the Sharks Bok call-ups, actually paying back that investment – not furthering the cause of Fred Michalak, which seems to be his objective no 1.

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.05.08 11:33:51 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • So end the abortive adventures of the Frog at 10! I’m sorry we didn’t get to see some real magic from him, but I do think it’s better for our back-line if he heads home.

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.05.08 11:36:03 by Waz Reply

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  • I’m a bit off foreign players for the S14 after this season. Think we need to put our weight behind our local players in future. get Rudi to make a few shrewd local signings, & voila.

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.05.08 11:36:53 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @robdylan (Sharks Forever!) (Comment 6) : According to Mr de Villiers (this week) – yes…..according to Mr de Villiers next week, who knows? The bookies are refusing to take bets on the issue.

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.05.08 11:37:46 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 10) : must say, I’m getting f*cking sick of the Currie Cup being played at half strength every year. Gives those losers from Bloem the delusion that they’re actually a good side.

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.05.08 11:43:16 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 9) : Describe your ideal shopping list?

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.05.08 11:43:49 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Sharks Forever!) (Comment 11) : And reduces our chances of giving the trophy cabinet maid at Kings Park any work….

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.05.08 11:46:14 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @robdylan (Sharks Forever!) (Comment 11) : Amen to that. But I get the feeling Frederic thinks the CC is beneath him…

    Difficult Rob, guess we have to look at areas where our squad was a bit weak this season – so I guess we lack a mongrel at lock, so we can finally retire Ackies. And don’t give me any oh but we have Shamako Blignaut & Ali Hargreaves… fact is, they’re not good enough. How many times were they outshone in the CC? S14 is not the time to take chances on them. Luftwaffe would have been ideal. How about Rory Duncan? Old Durban boy? He has leadership credentials too.

    Then we need an enforcer amongst the flanks – for those really hard games fought on the deck. Someone who can meausure up to Phil Waugh. Cobus Grobelaar stands out here – bonus with him is that we know he’ll never get capped by the Boks.

    Then we could always do with Peter Grant….

    And like you’ve mentioned before, an out an out speedster with good hands – here I draw a blank though…can’t think of any really top draw speedsters barring Habana.

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.05.08 11:50:25 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 13) : I think we need to take a serious decision about the Currie Cup. Is it our premier domestic showpiece, or is it a glorified Vodacom Cup continuation? I feel they should shorten it, if need be, but ensure it is played with all teams at full strength.

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.05.08 11:53:59 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 14) : well, you know where I stand. I don’t think we’ve given any of our young locks any sort of a chance to prove themselves regulalry – even at CC level. I think Sykes is our man at 4, as I’ve said in the past.

    I am also very excited about Jean Deysel as our enforcer at 7. The man is hard a concrete.

    Wing is a big problem. Nokwe? He’d do ok…

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.05.08 11:56:10 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • Sometimes I feel I’m one of only a handful who still really appreciates the significance of the Currie Cup – all the history & tradition. I’d love the Sharks to win the S14 but I’d be just as stoked with the Currie Cup – alas I feel its importance has diminished in Natal… Pity the Frese Staters, The Bulls, Lions & WP (who are my tip to win the CC this season)don’t share that view… :roll:

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.05.08 11:58:43 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Look I agree on Deysel, but we lack true squad depth! 1 or 2 injuries in our loosies and we are screwed. AJ will be gone, so we’ll have Botes, Kanko, Deysel & Keegan. And then? We still lack another top quaality flank imo, or we’ll be stretched in next year’s S14. WP don’t have that problem, neither do the Bulls really.

    As for our locks, eish. They should be groomed this CC season – shape up or ship out. Muller will be with the Boks, Ackers retired. Albert, who knows? So how about Sykes & Ali starting, with Nikolai coming off the bench? Management plays them through the CC, and if there’s no improvement, than ta-ta to their S14 squad places & hello to a proven lock.

    Nokwe….possibly…has the out & out pace. Has had “Henno hands” in the past though.

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.05.08 12:03:37 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 18) : Yeah.

    Ok, so we need a bit of cleanout… AJ, Albert, Kees, Skipper, Henno, Mathie and Ackers… all of those guys are either too old now, or have had ample opportunities to show their worth and have disappointed.

    it’s time for the new crop to step up.

    At lock, Hargreaves, Sykes, Blignaut and Joe Snyman
    At loosie, Justin Downey and Warren Whiteley
    At wing, Lwazi Mvovo, Frank Wagenstroom
    At fullback, Danie Dames, Scott Spedding, Dumi Matyeshana

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.05.08 12:14:15 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • Mathie? Shame, I think he was coming along nicely but picked up some injuries to his knee and shoulder (had a few ops and was out for a few months), Rory came onto the scene and took the opportunity with both hands (good for him too) and poor old Scott was left out in the cold.

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.05.08 12:17:15 by Nessa Reply

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  • It is time for Allie to step up to the plate – he has the ability.

    I think Scott is a great fullback.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.05.08 12:18:16 by Nessa Reply

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  • @Nessa (Comment 20) : I like Scott a lot, but even before his injuries he just wasn’t good enough. Sorry to say.

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.05.08 12:21:39 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • no big loss, shakrs just to make sure they are compensated.
    concentrate on RP at 10.

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.05.08 12:23:21 by cab Reply

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  • I think Charl McLeod has more to offer than Scott Mathie – sorry to say. The former seems to be more of a playmnaker (good vision), has an eye for a gap & is nippy. Plus his service looks good.

    Sharks must be careful they don’t freeze McLeod out else he is gone.

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.05.08 12:25:00 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Maybe now – but a year ago I thought Scott was looking good. Ruan went off with the Bokke and he didn’t get to play because of his op.

    I watched Charl play for the Valke (I think he was on loan to them?) and Janine pointed him out. He was very good.

    Do feel sometimes that some players don’t take the step up from Vodacom Cup to CC or S14 very well. Scott was one of them, Jody was another.

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.05.08 12:30:29 by Nessa Reply

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  • @robdylan (Sharks Forever!) (Comment 19) :

    OK let me dissect your post Rob…
    Kees is off to France – confirmed
    AJ & Albert & Ackers – knocking on retirement’s door
    Skipper, Henno & Mathie – Currie Cup players at best. Not the future at S14.

    As for the new crop:

    At lock, Hargreaves, Sykes, Blignaut and Joe Snyman – Sykes has shown enough, jury out on Blignaut & Hargreaves. This is make or break for them this CC. They’ve been owned in previous CC appearances I’ve seen them in :roll:

    At loosie, Justin Downey and Warren Whiteley – young & talented, yes, but how did they hold up against WP, Free State & Bulls lossies in VC? let alone CC…

    At wing, Lwazi Mvovo, Frank Wagenstroom – ya ok, here I think the former might be a shoining light. I’m hearing good things about him. Wagenstroom, eish, he disappointed in the VC & one has to ask why he was released by both the FS & WP…not convinced

    At fullback, Danie Dames, Scott Spedding, Dumi Matyeshana – Spedding has looked outclassed in the S14 (2005 comp). CC level player at very best. I watched Dames in the VC game between the Lions & Wildebeeste 0 – he is young (21 this year) & tall. Might be worth keeping an eye on him. Dumi is blitsvinnig & can play 14, 14, 13 & 11, but apparently his defense is weak – needs to work on that before we can even consider him for S14 duty.

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.05.08 12:33:45 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Did Spedding ever play Super 14? Can’t recall…

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.05.08 12:36:54 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • I don’t think so Rob.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.05.08 12:37:35 by Nessa Reply

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  • Yes he did. He was flown over as a replacement in 2005 overseas leg. Came off the bench as a sub.

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.05.08 12:39:21 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Quinn – interesting – didn’t know that. I really liked him 2 years ago when I was watching a fair amount of VC matches. Just seems to be one of those who didn’t take the step up to CC and S14 too well. Pity – because if I remember correctly he kicked quite well.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.05.08 12:43:01 by Nessa Reply

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  • Yeah I was also quite excited about Spedding – remember he was in the SA u21 squad at the time, and had quite a good World Cup beforehand. But like you say he never quite stepped it up, and was even lurking down in club rugby until recently rather than being in the VC!

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.05.08 12:45:50 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • Ok, so maybe add Spedding to the useless pile as well.

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.05.08 12:49:22 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 31) :
    I actually asked Rob a while ago what had happened to him because he wasn’t even playing VC – thought maybe he had moved somewhere else.

    The last time I watched him play was in Pietermaritzburg about a year ago. We went to watch a VC match while we were on holiday in Durban because we wanted to go and watch Craig play – he played 13 that evening and scored one or two tries. That was incidentally the same game that Henno injured his leg (for the second time) and Scott looked really good that night. A pity.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.05.08 12:52:16 by Nessa Reply

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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 29) : He can’t have been much more than 19 then?

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.05.08 12:56:15 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • Sorry I stand corrected – it was the 2006 S14.
    Ja he was young, 20. He’d just played for the Baby Boks in the SAu21 WC with Pierre Spies, Ismail Dollie & Ali Hargreaves.

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.05.08 13:01:20 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 35) : He also seems to be the sort of guy that they pick for one game, then drop if he doesn’t set the world alight. It hardly seems fair. I would expect a decent run of at least 5 games to see how he develops.

    We are far too quick to hire and fire guys… and write them off after one bad performance. Unless their name is Frans Steyn, of course ;)

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.05.08 13:05:21 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • So – let’s assume the worst case scenario, that we are without the following players for the CC

    Bis, Jannie, BJ, Muller, Kanko, Ruan, Frans, Adi, Waylon, JP.

    How would your team look?

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.05.08 13:07:12 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • mine is like this:

    1 Beast
    2 Burden
    3 Pat
    4 Blignaut
    5 Hargreaves
    6 Botes
    7 Sykes
    8 Deysel
    9 Kockott
    10 Barritt
    11 Mvovo
    12 Strauss
    13 Matyeshana
    14 Ndungane
    15 Spedding
    16 Jenneker
    17 Deon C
    18 Joe Snyman
    19 Daniel
    20 Downey
    21 Macleod
    22 Riaan Swanepoel

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.05.08 13:10:30 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Sharks Forever!) (Comment 38) :

    Ah, but that is another problem wrt Spedding – nobody knows whether he’s a 10 or 15 (sound familiar)? He started at 10 but has been shunted to 15.

    1 Beast
    2 Burden
    3 Pat
    4 Blignaut – I would have Sykes here
    5 Hargreaves
    6 Botes
    7 Sykes (????)You see. We need another lossie unless you reckon Sykes is a loose forward going forward.
    8 Deysel
    9 Kockott
    10 Barritt
    11 Mvovo
    12 Strauss
    13 Matyeshana (defense may be an issue in bigger games. Think I’d have him on the bench to cover wing/fullback.
    14 Ndungane
    15 Spedding
    16 Jenneker
    17 Deon C
    18 Joe Snyman (I would have Blignaut on the bench)
    19 Daniel (I would play him at 7)
    20 Downey
    21 Macleod
    22 Riaan Swanepoel (swap with Dumi)

    Using your team, I think we’re actually still an experienced player short at loose forward & outside centre, as neither Riaan nor Strauss are outside centres.

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.05.08 13:17:05 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 39) : Yeah… Sykes is bloody fast, though and has good hands. Could be a very useful flanker. Depends on what flavour of ELV’s they decide to apply. I can’t keep up anymore.

    Agree we need another outside center.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.05.08 13:29:31 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • Sorry guys, looks like Spedding is off to france to play for Brive…

    He is the biggest loss the Sharks ever witnessed, mark my words.. he was a class act.. only had 5 min at super 14 level, struggled with injuries, struggled to get his head right at top flight rugby, but as far as pure natural talent goes he is undeniably a great…

    P.S. Played with him in a school boy Rugby Game St. Johns VS Greys College, he made Frans Steyn look average in a game where his pack was going backwards

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.09.08 02:09:50 by lykoz Reply

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  • The difference is that Frans took the big step up and has a RWC winners medal to his name. Talent and BMT don’t necessarily go hand in hand.

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.09.08 09:09:35 by Baldrick Reply

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  • Funny thing is he had the most BMT id ever seen…

    But you are right Frans Steyn took his opportunities better and im not downgrading him, he is awesome…

    These guys are all young, I think they still have plenty of time to make their mark… I think we will hear more of scott in the future.. thats just my personal opinion..

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.09.08 22:42:59 by lykoz Reply

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  • @lykoz (Comment 43) : Did steyn really?

    I am not a massive fan of steyn, he is too fair weather, one great game and then 1 massive stuff up and some randomness.

    Never seen Scott play but hopefully he is one of those guys that improve with age and exposure.

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.09.08 23:24:40 by beez Reply

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