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Holding thumbs on Butch

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Springboks on 16 May 2008 at 15:20

The nature of Saturday night’s announcement of new Springbok coach Peter de Villiers’s first national training squad might mean that there will be more significance to names that don’t appear than names that do.

The 45-man group is just a training squad, and while it will show De Villiers’s line of thinking following what has mostly been a one-man selection process, it needs to be remembered that not all of the 45 players will get Springbok colours.

Gavin Rich writes for Superrugby that there have been countless instances over the years where players have been part of the training group and have been subjected to all the media fuss that goes with such a selection, but have never graduated to international rugby.

De Villiers will merely be taking this opportunity to take a closer look at the players he is particularly interested in, and the sifting process really starts once the squad assembles in Stellenbosch on Monday.

However, only a handful of players may be there for the first week following De Villiers’s decision to delay the announcement of players involved in next week’s Vodacom Super 14 semifinals. Going into Saturday’s play, there is a strong possibility that both the Stormers and Sharks will still be in the competition next week.

That will mean the squad could be cut by more than half, and we will not know the full details of the squad when it is announced on Saturday night.

What we do know though is that players not from the Super 14 contending franchises who find their names missing from the list can consider themselves to be on the outside looking in. Unless there are injuries in the semifinals, the squad as it has been selected now will remain intact.

Those who want to see some element of the momentum attained with the World Cup triumph last October maintained will be hoping that De Villiers has had a change of heart when it comes to attitudes to some overseas players.

It was understood that at one stage he was reluctant to choose Butch James, which would be a highly questionable decision if you consider the dearth of experienced flyhalves currently playing for South African teams. Fortunately, the latest word is that De Villiers is now favourably disposed towards James, so hopefully sanity will prevail.

In the absence of any great depth in the position, it would be a good bet that De Villiers will back someone like young WP Vodacom Cup flyhalf Ishma-eel Dollie for one of the places in the squad, while Bulls players Bandise Maku and Hilton Lobberts could get call-ups despite only making rare appearances in the Super 14.

Paul Delport, the former SA under-19 and under-21 captain, is another player who has been coached by De Villiers that the new national mentor might be favourably disposed to. Unless Delport and Dollie get late call-ups to the Stormers squad for a semifinal, these are players who could be among the names read out on Saturday.


Fullbacks: Percy Montgomery, Conrad Jantjes, Francois Steyn.

Wings: Tonderai Chavhanga, Bryan Habana, JP Pietersen, Odwa Ndungane, Akona Ndungane.

Centres: Jean de Villiers, Gcobani Bobo, Waylon Murray, Jacque Fourie, Meyer Bosman.

Flyhalves: Butch James, Peter Grant, Ishma-eel Dollie, Ruan Pienaar.

Scrumhalves: Fourie du Preez, Ricky Januarie, Rory Kockott, Paul Delport.

Loose-forwards: Ryan Kankowski, Pierre Spies, Juan Smith, Luke Watson, Duane Vermeulen, Hilton Lobberts, Schalk Burger, Joe van Niekerk, Keegan Daniel.

Locks: Bakkies Botha, Victor Matfield, Andries Bekker, Johann Muller, Danie Rossouw.

Props: Gurthro Steenkamp, Brian Mujati, CJ van der Linde, BJ Botha, Heinke van der Merwe, Beast Mtawarira.

Hookers: John Smit, Bismarck du Plessis, Schalk Brits, Bandise Maku.


  • it needs to be remembered that not all of the 45 players will get Springbok colours.

    That needs to be remembered, there will be some Shock selections IMO, but let’s rememebr that it is only a training squad.

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.05.08 15:24:49 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • I would love it if the Sharks and the Stormers made the semi’s.

    imagine the media speculation about which players from those squads have made it and which haven’t next week.

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.05.08 15:28:36 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • I think the wing situation is a bit suspect….they need a quota white wing ;)

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.05.08 15:39:57 by Dive Pass Reply
    Dive PassCurrie Cup player
  • Personally not sure about Butch.

    Undoubtedly the top pick on form but something needs to be sadi for growign the side for the future.

    Butch, not even 12 months ago, thought he might not even last the wordl cup because fo abd knees.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, not the guy you want to build your side aorund if he only has a season or so left and is anyway playign abroad.

    Just a thought. I rate him highly and he is playing well but somebody needs to look at the bigger picture.

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.05.08 15:40:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
    VinChainSawTeam captain
  • Delport ahead of Jano Vermaak?

    No Jannie Du Plessis?

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.05.08 15:41:51 by Dive Pass Reply

    Dive PassCurrie Cup player
  • @Dive Pass (Comment 3) :
    MUISMONGEL :shock:

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.05.08 15:45:55 by PJLD Reply
    Clayton(PJLD)Team captain
  • @PJLD (Comment 6) :

    non comprendo…

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.05.08 15:53:09 by Dive Pass Reply

    Dive PassCurrie Cup player
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 4) : I agree here.

    I would also rather see us shift towards the next generation of players that are going to take Springbok rugby forward.

    I feel the same way about John: I’d rather see Bismark in the #2 jersey.

    This is not to denigrate the contribution of stalwarts like Butch and John. I just kinda feel they’ve achieved about as much as any player could hope to achieve in the game, and that it’s time for the younger guys to shine.

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.05.08 16:03:56 by Waz Reply

    WazUnder 21 player
  • @Dive Pass (Comment 7) :

    Wing from the bulls,his name eludes me at the moment.

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.05.08 16:05:48 by PJLD Reply
    Clayton(PJLD)Team captain
  • Isnt it something Delport, Marius?

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.05.08 16:07:53 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Comment 11, posted at 16.05.08 16:13:53 by PJLD Reply
    Clayton(PJLD)Team captain
  • The whole situation with the Zimbos needs to be cleared up…..We have Lubbe SC finding that Mujati’s contract with the Lions was invalid because: “The provision of Section 38(1) of the immigration act prohibits the conclusion of an agreement with a foreigner whose status does not authorise him to be employed,”……now all of a sudden he is eligible to play for the Boks. Imagine we get docked tri-nation points because we played an ineligible player!! :shock:

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.05.08 16:21:00 by Dive Pass Reply

    Dive PassCurrie Cup player
  • @Dive Pass (Comment 12) :

    Godd point, Dive Pass. Think it needs to be confirmed exactly when they become eligible.

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.05.08 16:27:03 by Le Requinny Reply
    QuinnysharkCurrie Cup player
  • Which butch?

    Just thought I’d mention though that that is a derogatory way of describing a lesbian!??!

    Sis on you Sharkworld….

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.05.08 16:29:45 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • That would by “dyke” Hmmm

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.05.08 16:32:43 by PJLD Reply
    Clayton(PJLD)Team captain
  • @PJLD (Comment 15) :

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.05.08 16:34:20 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 14) :

    That’s about as weak at Morne says the Lions team is….

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.05.08 16:35:45 by Dive Pass Reply

    Dive PassCurrie Cup player
  • @Waz (Comment 8) :

    I agree new blood should be coming through but don’t you think there should be a transition period where younger players are mentored and gain the experience of being in the squad with players in the last days of their careers?

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.05.08 16:40:07 by Superwors Reply

    SuperworsUnder 19 player
  • @Superwors (Comment 18) :

    agreed wors….its a point Ghost has made.

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.05.08 16:42:17 by Dive Pass Reply

    Dive PassCurrie Cup player
  • @Dive Pass (Comment 17) :

    So that means that it is actually the opposite of that…since Mornes always says the oppo of what the fact is…

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.05.08 16:45:37 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • Is this guy craze…

    Schalck is injured!???!

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.05.08 16:47:47 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @Superwors (Comment 18) :

    Yip, you’d think that they’d have learnt that after that embarrassing shut-out in Sydney during last year’s Tri-Nations – players like Percy, Butch & John (similarly Os & Bobby last year) have a lot more to offer a team off the pitch as well!

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.05.08 16:47:49 by Le Requinny Reply
    QuinnysharkCurrie Cup player
  • And what about Baywatch???

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.05.08 16:48:04 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @Dive Pass (Comment 3) :


  • Comment 24, posted at 16.05.08 16:49:31 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • Oh my word I have dethroned Sharkette…

    I guess that makes you my queen now KSA…

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  • Comment 25, posted at 16.05.08 17:06:08 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 25) :


    You got it wrong dude.

    Kette is my Queen, if you dethrone her, you become MY queen not the other way round. :wink:

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.05.08 17:21:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 26) :
    on THAT note…i’m outta here :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.05.08 17:27:45 by Cru-El (BABVA) Reply

    Kal-ElCurrie Cup player
  • Daniel over JB? That’s also not right

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.05.08 22:14:56 by robdylan (Sharks Forever!) Reply
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  • Joe , Van, Maku, Lobberts, Dollie, Daniels, Delport, Bobo should be nowhere near this squad… and I reserve the right to say as solid as they have been this season… the Ndungane’s will never have the pace for test rugby…

  • Comment 29, posted at 17.05.08 04:23:04 by bryce_in_oz Reply

    bryce_in_ozCurrie Cup player
  • PDV will include Kirchner and Floors in there too… possibly Mangweni…

  • Comment 30, posted at 17.05.08 04:24:26 by bryce_in_oz Reply

    bryce_in_ozCurrie Cup player
  • Well we will find out tonight how accurate Gavin Rich’s speculation is.

    Hopefully not about the Sharks or Stormers players though :wink:

  • Comment 31, posted at 17.05.08 06:55:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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