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Sport24 Dream Team v Bok XV

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks, Super 14 on 2 Jun 2008 at 15:18

Rob Houwing compares the SA Super 14 Dream Team, as voted by you the News 24 user, to the Bok team likely to run out against the Welsh in Bloemfontein.

A flimsy four players! Intriguingly, that’s the only common bond between the South African “Team of the Super 14″ as chosen by Sport24 users and the anticipated Springbok XV Peter de Villiers will start with against Wales in Bloemfontein.

Of course, it needs to be taken into account upfront that the criteria for selection were slightly different: just for one thing, De Villiers looks like placing his faith in at least two “overseas” Boks who did not sniff Super 14 action in 2008 – captain John Smit and Butch James.

Also, our readers’ favoured “Super 14 form-based” line-up includes, in Fourie du Preez and Schalk Burger, two well-nigh first-choicers for the Boks who are presently on the crocked list as a result of Super 14 exertions and could not be considered by the rookie coach for his opening international of the winter.

But it remains an illuminating comparison nevertheless – only Jean de Villiers at inside centre, Bryan Habana at left wing, Bakkies Botha in the second row and Gurthro Steenkamp on the loosehead find favour across both XVs.

For the rest it’s a rather bloody, divisive old scrap: where Sport24 users favour Frans Steyn at fullback, De Villiers is said to be fielding Conrad Jantjes; their JP Pietersen at right wing is his Tonderai Chavhanga; they back Waylon Murray at 13 while he’s likely to prefer Adi Jacobs – and so it goes.

Sharks supporters

Here is a reminder of the sides. Sport24 users’ SA Super 14 selection, with De Villiers’s expected Bok equivalent against Wales in brackets:

15 Frans Steyn (Conrad Jantjes), 14 JP Pietersen (Tonderai Chavhanga), 13 Waylon Murray (Adi Jacobs), 12 Jean de Villiers (same), 11 Bryan Habana (same), 10 Peter Grant (Butch James), 9 Fourie du Preez (Ricky Januarie), 8 Ryan Kankowski (Pierre Spies), 7 Wikus van Heerden (Juan Smith), 6 Schalk Burger (Luke Watson), 5 Johann Muller (Andries Bekker) 4 Bakkies Botha (same), 3 BJ Botha (Brian Mujati), 2 Bismarck du Plessis (John Smit), 1 Gurthro Steenkamp (same).

My first reaction to the Sport24 combo is that we seem to be read by a particularly staunch crop of Sharks supporters – this line-up contains seven players from that franchise. Contrast this with the Bok coach’s anticipated side on Saturday: one Shark, in the contentious shape of Jacobs in midfield! (In fairness, I’m sure a fair few Durbanites still absent-mindedly consider Smit and James as ‘their’ property?)

What I don’t like about the readers’ pick is the presence of both JP Pietersen and Waylon Murray – we all know that neither exactly set Super 14 alight this year and, indeed, got occasional relegation to ‘splinters’ duty from Dick Muir as a result!

Where I’m with them, however, is in their preference to Kankowski at No 8 over Spies; now there’s one Sharks star who DID perform with consistent energy and thrust in the Super 14, earning routine Murray Mexted superlatives, whereas Spies is feeling his way back after a long layoff and may be a tad off 80-minute international sharpness at this stage.

Question marks

I’m pretty excited myself about De Villiers’s intention, it seems, to match Botha with Bekker in the second row; Sport24 users like a Botha-Johann Muller pairing but I think there’s an over-supply of grunt there – with his basketballer’s height and athleticism I’m keen to see Bekker attempt to wreak havoc with the Welsh ‘own-lineout’ plans.

BJ Botha versus Brian Mujati at tighthead? A very close call: I thought Botha showed a certain ‘bouncebackability’ in the Super 14 after some question marks came his way last year in Bok colours, but Mujati seems to be De Villiers’s man after his Herculean campaign for the Stormers.

That’s fair enough, by my book, even if there will doubtless be a cynical lobby suggesting it’s another case of the new Bok coach wanting to make his maiden ‘players of colour’ cupboard as rosily-stocked as possible in a pressured political climate.

And why not keep certain, often unnecessarily windbaggish parliamentary wolves from the door? All strength to Mujati’s right shoulder, say I, if he cracks the Bloem nod…


  • The News24 dream team was a joke. Majority of the votes came within the first few weeks, then all of a sudden the link never worked. People were picking on WC07 form, not s14.

  • Comment 1, posted at 02.06.08 15:34:22 by molly Reply
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  • also, KSA, being able to see the rest of the team would be nice :wink:

  • Comment 2, posted at 02.06.08 15:38:20 by molly Reply
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  • Internet is having fun with me at the moment :evil:

    Let me fix that.

  • Comment 3, posted at 02.06.08 15:49:11 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Will be very shocked if de Villers goes with Spies above Kankowski.

    Apart form that, and taking into acocunt there will be a bit of keo spin, and I dont actually have issue with the “likely” side de Villers will supposedly pick.

    Everyone is going on and on about AD Jacobs and how he was the surpise pick etc etc etc. But who else put up their hand to play 13?
    Of the SA s14 sides, Bobo definitely didnt do himsefl any favours, JP Nel wouldnt make my Sunday afternoon touchies side (even he wasnt drinking and we were), Murray played shitty rugby all comp, Jacques Fourie only played 2 games. Cant even think of the FreeStater who played outside centre for them which tells of what an impact he made.

    So not many issues.

  • Comment 4, posted at 02.06.08 15:53:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 4) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 02.06.08 15:55:42 by Charlie Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 4) :

    If Fourie wasn’t out injured then he would be the Bok 13.

  • Comment 6, posted at 02.06.08 15:59:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 6) :

    I agree. But he was/is injured so a moot point.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.06.08 14:34:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 7) : Making your comment a moot comment.

    This is fun :)

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.06.08 14:40:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 4) :

    Couldn’t have said it better myself! :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.06.08 14:41:04 by Nessa Reply

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  • am I the only one who reckons Kanko would have Spies for breakfast in just about any contest you’d care to name? He even has more hair, meaning he has a larger coefficient of drag to overcome, making the stuff he does even more impressive.

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.06.08 14:42:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) :

    I am with you there Rob! Last year I would have had Spies ahead of Kanko – but not this year!

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.06.08 15:07:40 by Nessa Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 4) :

    JW Jonker and he is the leading try scorers amongst the centers if I am not mistaken….

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.06.08 16:43:05 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 4) :

    Agree with you though….I doubt that Spies will be selected above Kanko…

    I doubt he would even be on the bench!??!

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.06.08 16:44:02 by Hmmm Reply

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  • But I would play JFourie at center…not because I am a LION…but he looked better than other SA center from game 1…and that next to a player he has never played with before in any form of the game….

    He has good experience from playing aside JdV….

    He just looked like he was in a different class when he returned….but he is injured so he is not considered….

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.06.08 16:47:14 by Hmmm Reply

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  • And AD played well when he came on…and it seems PdV is a more attacking oriented coach than a defensive coach…so AD will be picked…

    And when Jfourie is back AD can play from the bench as he covers a few positions as well….

    That means we will win games with greater margins but might also lose more….

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.06.08 16:49:03 by Hmmm Reply

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