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Currie Cup options: loose forwards


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 4 Jun 2008 at 12:40

The Sharks struggled to find the right loose forward combination in the Super 14 this year.

Early indications were that a pair of faster flankers, coupled with a bigger number 8 might be the ideal mix and this sort of trio excelled against the Blues, proving the deciding factor in that game. As the season wore on, though, the team found themselves bested at the breakdown as the two smaller guys were muscled off the ball. AJ Venter’s return at flank in the latter stages of the competition returned the loose trio to a more traditional configuration and the pack as a whole played better as a result.

The problem that the Sharks have with an eye on the Currie Cup, though, is that Venter has gone to the Cape and Ryan Kankowski is with the Boks and unlikely to be available until September at the earliest. This leaves Jacques Botes as the only member of the regular Super 14 loose trio available for the Currie Cup.

We appear to have uncovered a rising star in Jean Deysel, which is good. At 1.9m and 112kg, the Virginia lad is the perfect size to slot in at either blindside flank or at the back of the scrum. What’s more, he has good hands, decent pace and a lovely step. Keegan Daniel is the only other loose forward in the squad with Super 14 experience, but one has to wonder when (if ever) he is finally going to come good in a big way in senior rugby. Daniel is not big enough to make an impact in a tight game – this is an unfortunate reality. He struggles to stay over 90kg and despite his speed and skill, really struggles to be effective against guys that are 10 or more kilos heavier. He does not play like a traditional opensider; in fact, I would say he is not a very good ground player which makes him a more natural option at 7 or 8. Or at least, it would, were it not for the size problem. There is also the matter of his dodgy temperament to consider.

It is tempting to say that the Sharks should play with Deysel at 7, with Botes at 6 and Daniel at 8 (or even Daniel at 6 and Botes at 8) but I really don’t feel that we are going to find that combination effective, particularly in games against teams with more physical packs, such as the Bulls, Lions and Cheetahs. I feel we need to keep Botes on the open side, allow Deysel to play at no 8 and give a youngster a chance to establish themselves at blindside. But who do we have available?

I’m pleased to announce that Epi Taione will not come into the equation. Despite rumours to the contrary, he won’t be in Durban for the Currie Cup (or, hopefully, ever again). Let’s also assume that none of Nikolai Blignaut, Steven Sykes or Albert van den Berg (all of whom I rate as guys who could do a job at 7, if they weren’t needed more at lock) will only be considered in the second row at this stage.

Turning our attention to the loose forwards that played in the Vodacom Cup, we see a number of potential candidates. Justin Downey is a 21-year-old flanker who has come through all the ranks of Natal rugby. He spent a few weeks at Mexted’s place last year: a pretty sure sign that he is rated in Durban, as only the most promising guys are sent. At 1.93m and 102kg he has the size to make it. He is also flipping quick and has superb hands, making him one to watch. As part of the crazy loose-forward rotate-a-thon at the Wildebeest, he didn’t have much chance to settle in the Vodacom Cup, but should be poised to make an impact on the Currie Cup. He could be given a starting spot to see how he goes.

Thabo Mamojele is another big guy. Also only 21, he’s a little taller than Downey and also a little heavier. I haven’t seen him play at all, but he’s in the squad and attending the Academy, meaning he must have some promise at least. Jacques Potgieter is another whose name has been mentioned in dispatches. He models his appearance on the talismanic Sebastian Chabal, but from what I’ve heard, he doesn’t yet have the smash to go with the flash. He’s exactly the same size as Mamojele (1.94m and 104kg) and can’t seem to decide whether he wants to play lock or flank. I’m not convinced he’s big enough for the former, nor does he really have the pace for the latter. I love to be proved wrong, but I’m afraid I have my reservations about this kid. He’s only just turned 22 though, so there’s still lots of time for him to develop.

Michael Rhodes is another interesting option. He’s big, very big. At 1.97m, almost as tall as AJ Venter and started to play pretty well in the latter stages of the Vodacom Cup when given a chance to settle at number 8. The former Michaelhouse boy is also still 21 and already 110kg. He is my pick to be a big star for the future.

Warren Whitely is another guy who did some decent things in the Vodacom Cup. He prefers open-side flank, but did quite well at eighth man this season. At 1.92m and 97kg, he’s the same sort of size as Warren Britz and could probably be a very good option at number 6 should Botes ever be unavailable. The Glenwood old boy is also only 21 (I’m getting tired of saying that, actually!)
Skollie Ndlovu is a guy that did very well at open-side in the Vodacom Cup. He’s a quick guy with good skills and the sort you really want to succeed. Problem is, he has the same problem as Keegan Daniel (only more so). At 1.8m and 90kg he’s just not quite big enough to really make it at a higher level than Vodacom Cup, in my opinion. I’d love for him to prove me wrong.

The other guy that is floating about is one who seems to have an air of mystery about him. Shaun Pammenter is a loose forward who up until recently was a crew member on Shosholoza. He has returned to Durbs to play rugby, but I can’t find any vital statistics on him whatsoever. Any help would be much appreciated!



122 Comments

  • I’m tempted to say either

    6 Botes
    7 Deysel
    8 Rhodes

    or

    6 Botes
    7 Downey
    8 Deysel

    Keegan will be at 19 in either case. If we go with a 5-2 bench, then ou could have either Rhodes or Downey on the bench as well.

  • Comment 1, posted at 04.06.08 12:51:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • I say we feed Keegan in the next week…

  • Comment 2, posted at 04.06.08 13:22:06 by blackshark Reply

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  • What are we going to feed him? Hargreaves?

  • Comment 3, posted at 04.06.08 13:34:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Miracle grow?

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.06.08 13:36:04 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • I’ve heard this Mexted academy thing mention quite a bit recently. What do they teach them there. Why can’t we have say a Danie Craven or Frik du Preez academy in SA?

  • Comment 5, posted at 04.06.08 13:37:57 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • Here it is.

    http://www.internationalrugbyacademy.com/

  • Comment 6, posted at 04.06.08 13:39:15 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) :

    That’s a good start :mrgreen:

    but surely they can find a way to pack 4 more kg’s into him…

  • Comment 7, posted at 04.06.08 13:51:34 by blackshark Reply

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  • This whole Currie Cup without the Boks is really devaluing the tournament…I can’t get excited about it … I mean here where are looking for players in the Collegians 6th team to play for the Sharks…

  • Comment 8, posted at 04.06.08 13:51:45 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 8) : I hear they signed eddie andrews :-)

  • Comment 9, posted at 04.06.08 13:54:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • #

    Why can’t we have say a Danie Craven or Frik du Preez academy in SA?
    Comment 5, posted at 04.06.08 13:37:57 by ra-cheltjie de’ be-er Reply

    Good question… Seeing as we are talking about LEGENDS, how about a Robbie Fleck Academy?

    :roll:

  • Comment 10, posted at 04.06.08 13:55:47 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • @wpw (YNWA) (Comment 10) :

    Teaching players how to score tries when being chased by Deon Kayser…

  • Comment 11, posted at 04.06.08 13:58:24 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 11) : What does Fleck know about that subject? Not much! :-)

  • Comment 12, posted at 04.06.08 14:01:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) :

    The Collegian 6th take umbrage to any suggestion that Eddie or Al Baxter for that matter would make their team….

  • Comment 13, posted at 04.06.08 14:01:20 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 13) : Baxter! That’s the other name I was looking for. Aussie props all look the same to me.

  • Comment 14, posted at 04.06.08 14:02:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • :evil: Rob

  • Comment 15, posted at 04.06.08 14:06:24 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • @wpw (YNWA) (Comment 15) : You guys seen the fireworks back at the old place? Not 3 months after they kicked the Sharks out, they’re at each other’s throats again!

  • Comment 16, posted at 04.06.08 14:09:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • Squad depth my brethren…

    RSA is full of players…but we need to find them…

  • Comment 17, posted at 04.06.08 14:10:11 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) :

    Actually the original Jake White reference was to Bill Young making the Stellenbosch 4ths….but hey as you say all the Aussie props are the same

  • Comment 18, posted at 04.06.08 14:10:26 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • And if anyone knows who ‘superstirrer’ is, I’d like to buy him a beer :-)

  • Comment 19, posted at 04.06.08 14:12:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 18) : Right. They all go backwards at more or less the same speed

  • Comment 20, posted at 04.06.08 14:14:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’m interested in this Michael Rhodes guy….1.97m for a Number 8 is massive. Rob, have you seen him play? What is his background? Natal Schools?

  • Comment 21, posted at 04.06.08 14:18:43 by Villie Reply
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  • Can anyone please tell me what position Frank Waggenstroom plays? He had a great start with the Sharks when we played against the Cheetahs in the warmup, and I met him at the Royal show, he is a big bugger but I cannot remember what position he plays? And how good is he really i.e good purchase?

  • Comment 22, posted at 04.06.08 14:30:03 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 22) : wing. And he didn’t do very well in the Vodacom Cup

  • Comment 23, posted at 04.06.08 14:37:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 21) : I haven’t seen him play personally, but I’ve heard good things.

    Full Name Michael Kenworthy
    Surname Rhodes
    Height 197cm
    Weight 110kg
    Birth Date 19 December 1987
    Birth City Durban
    Marital Status Single
    Favourite Film Man on Fire
    Favourite Music House Music
    Favourite Food Pizza
    Primary School Riverview
    Secondary School Michaelhouse
    Tertiary Education UNISA

    Squads:
    2008
    Wildebeest (Vodacom Cup)
    2007
    Sharks U/21 (ABSA Under 21 Competition)
    Sharks XV (Absa Currie Cup Compulsory Friendlies)
    2006
    KZN U19 (ABSA Under 19 Competition)
    2005
    Kwa-Zulu Natal (U18 Coca Cola Craven Week)

  • Comment 24, posted at 04.06.08 14:38:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • so he’s born and bred and has come up through the ranks. I like that.

  • Comment 25, posted at 04.06.08 14:39:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • I guess the point of this article is that we should maybe at least try out some of these guys in the Currie Cup before moaning about how little depth we have in the loose forwards. It was necessity that helped us uncover JPP, Murray, Barritt et all… perhaps it could be the same in the loosies

  • Comment 26, posted at 04.06.08 14:40:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : Thank you Rob – I didn’t follow the vodacom cup :oops:

  • Comment 27, posted at 04.06.08 14:48:45 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 27) : wasn’t worth following :) Wagenstroom played one game and was so bad he was dropped for Henno Mentz! ;)

  • Comment 28, posted at 04.06.08 14:50:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : ouch! :eek:

  • Comment 29, posted at 04.06.08 14:59:33 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 29) : pity. I rated him, but he’s been with three provinces in the last 3 years and hasn’t done much with any of them

  • Comment 30, posted at 04.06.08 15:02:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • Yeah, they had a cook off at the Royal show, and it was him and Nikolai, he was huge and solid, a nice chap too. A real pity that, but then why did the Sharks get him? Surely they should do homework before investing money in a player.

  • Comment 31, posted at 04.06.08 15:11:12 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 31) : don’t get me started.

    Did someone mention Epi Taione?

  • Comment 32, posted at 04.06.08 15:16:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) :

    Did someone mention Oom Rudi?

  • Comment 33, posted at 04.06.08 15:18:56 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 33) : I just spat over my shoulder ;)

  • Comment 34, posted at 04.06.08 15:24:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) :

    He was at our table at one of the Shark’s breakfasts and I had to bite my tongue when he was trying to take credit for give Jacque Fourie his 1st Bok cap and stop myself from saying…which SA rugby player didn’t you give a cap to?

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.06.08 15:28:09 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 35) : bwaaaaah!

  • Comment 36, posted at 04.06.08 15:40:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • Does anyone know where i can find the list of players selected/capped by Strontlie??? :shock:

  • Comment 37, posted at 04.06.08 15:40:38 by wpw (YNWA) Reply
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  • @wpw (YNWA) (Comment 37) : http://www.genslin.us/bokke/sarugby.html

  • Comment 38, posted at 04.06.08 15:54:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : and it seems to be down at the moment ;(

  • Comment 39, posted at 04.06.08 15:56:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • so – anybody know anything about Pammenter? Any sailing enthusiasts?

    Where is DB? I’ve lost him somewhere…

  • Comment 40, posted at 04.06.08 17:49:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • maybe we can just buy Duanne Vermeulen…

  • Comment 41, posted at 04.06.08 17:54:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • Lions trio will be up there with the best of them:

    Baywatch,E Joubert, Alberts

    A CC would be a lovely gift for us fans..I think it will be between Province/Natal and Gauteng for the honours this year.

  • Comment 42, posted at 04.06.08 20:30:47 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 42) : Nope. I have a nasty feeling the blue morons will march away with it

  • Comment 43, posted at 04.06.08 20:32:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • Could to hear there are some sizeable ‘smart’ options coming through the ranks… will have to keep an eye open for the next Kanko type for 8…

    Deysel should now be allowed to settle into 7 IMO from what little I’ve seen he could be huge come next S14… and Daniels should come on as the super-sub… not played in conjunction with Botes…

  • Comment 44, posted at 05.06.08 02:37:14 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • “‘Good’ to hear” it should read above…

  • Comment 45, posted at 05.06.08 02:40:43 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 45) : agree. Daniel as sub only

  • Comment 46, posted at 05.06.08 04:36:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : and what gives you that feeling? :cry:

  • Comment 47, posted at 05.06.08 08:42:37 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 47) : They just have such incredible depth. It also looks like they’re starting to gel with their coach, at last

  • Comment 48, posted at 05.06.08 09:48:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) :

    How does FS look this year?

  • Comment 49, posted at 05.06.08 09:52:17 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 49) : Like he needs a hair cut!

  • Comment 50, posted at 05.06.08 10:02:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : :lol: *falling off my chair* :lol:

    Ok…can we talk about the rest of the Free State dudes…

  • Comment 51, posted at 05.06.08 10:18:37 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 51) : They’ll struggle. Lost two captains. Good front row depth, but not much at lock without Duncan. Loose forwards not as strong without Smith and Vermeulen, although not sure how long the latter will be out. It’s in the backs that they’re really weak, though. Their centres can’t tackle for one thing!

  • Comment 52, posted at 05.06.08 10:23:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • What happened to the development structures in the States?

  • Comment 53, posted at 05.06.08 10:43:55 by blackshark Reply

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  • rob whats up with this superstirrer thing, I’ve seen you mention the name a bit recently.

  • Comment 54, posted at 05.06.08 10:44:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 54) : salmo, it’s a dude that’s been posting some, shall we say “provocative” comments on RuggaWorld. Apparently he’s causing quite a stir, cos the poor deluded souls think I’m using an alias to mess with them.

    What they haven’t realised is that I’m actually far too busy running a successful website to be bothered with posting comments there :)

  • Comment 55, posted at 05.06.08 10:53:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 7) :

    a brain is only 1.5kgs, but it is a start. where to find the other 2.5 or more.

  • Comment 56, posted at 05.06.08 10:54:04 by try time Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 53) : who knows. I think they’re counting on the fact that the magical Ebersohn hobbits will save their bacon this year. I’m sure Oranje Orakel will be along shortly with more cunning doublespeak to convince us otherwise, though :)

  • Comment 57, posted at 05.06.08 10:55:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 56) : nasty! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 05.06.08 10:56:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 56) : :mrgreen:

    careful…we don’t want him to have a big head…and then a lot of hair to cover it…

  • Comment 59, posted at 05.06.08 10:57:42 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) :
    There is a photo in one of the Sunday papers of the Ebersohn’s flanking Peter de Villiers and they tower over him. He must be really short.

  • Comment 60, posted at 05.06.08 11:06:47 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : I heard that the Sharks and WP were both trying to get Vermeulen, and the only doubt was which of the two franchises he would chose.

  • Comment 61, posted at 05.06.08 11:08:44 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 60) : Maybe they were wearing special hobbit shoes?

    Seriously, there isn’t a one of them over 1.8 and 80kg.

  • Comment 62, posted at 05.06.08 11:21:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 61) : well, seeing as they poached him from the Pumas in the first place, hopefully they won’t bleat too much when he leaves (yeah right!)

    It would be great if we could get him, that’s for sure.

  • Comment 63, posted at 05.06.08 11:22:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • :grin:

    Nah baldOne

    I will decypher Orakeleze then for your benefit and tell you in blunt graMMaticaLLy incoRRect VrystAAtAnglo what I think of your posts in future! that is if the angling is worth the eFFort and my “oNNerbroek” het my genoeg geskawe!

    Oh and I am not biTTer about anything you have done- so relax- I trawl where I like, stir where I like and share insults wiFF whatever local fuZZ there is.

    On the “hoBBits” yip they are as tall as they were when the $harks oFFered them quite lucrative contracts- which they have- for at least three years, declined. Your mate Strauli might not have known their true height, perhaps, but thanks now to your investigative insight, he wont make that mistake again? Luckily for them they are at least twice as fast as that epitome of $hark homegrown excellence, the EstEEmed Sah Bradley BaRRit Esq,

    or

    as it is Rudolf Strauli, then he might just do edzaKKerly that.

  • Comment 64, posted at 05.06.08 11:58:06 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • On Vermeulen, yes It will be a loss if he leaves- quite a gOOde player that- well spoTTed by CoachEra$mu$.

    geez, I see my team is hopeless- all the expert shark bloggers have said so and man do they know their game of rugby- I hope I can return my seasontickets!

    :smile:

  • Comment 65, posted at 05.06.08 12:07:48 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 65) : nah dude – we’re only interested in the players, not the supporters :)

  • Comment 66, posted at 05.06.08 12:40:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 64) :

    “On the “hoBBits” yip they are as tall as they were when the $harks oFFered them quite lucrative contracts- which they have- for at least three years, declined”

    Don’t they offer accounting at Grey Kollege these days? ;)

  • Comment 67, posted at 05.06.08 12:42:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 65) : How can we possibly not think the Cheetahs a good team, after all you are the Sharks developmental side! :wink:

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.06.08 13:48:38 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 68) : Kudos! :-)

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.06.08 14:10:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 68) :

    :grin:

    Then shame on you mate

    We develop and develop and develop

    and you okes turn developed CC winners into last minute lOOsers!

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.06.08 15:00:55 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 70) :

    “Then shame on you mate”….er…OO I know you haven’t seen him for a year but that the Jannie Dup on the left and I assume Sharksmad on the right….generally woman are not referred to as mate, unless… oh well let’s not go there…. ;)

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.06.08 15:05:46 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 70) : nah dude… that spin ain’t gonna stick. The only CC winner we have bought from you guys in living memory is Jannie du Plessis. The others we got straight from your school system and pulled them into our academy. Because you didn’t have one.

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.06.08 15:14:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • :oops:

    soRRy Madam

    Eish DivePass I OOgle naughty.com

    not the pics of Sharksworld, but thanks for the coRRection.

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.06.08 15:15:04 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 72) :

    Ag Come on RoBBieDee

    Whenever you write up Bradley you dont stick to facts either, pls aLLow me to play in that side of the sandbox as well!

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.06.08 15:16:42 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • “Because you didn’t have one.

    Past tense

    luVVerly!

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.06.08 15:18:07 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 71) : Maybe they just don’t have hot girls like that in Bloem?

    (OK – I know that’s bullshit! Bloem has some of the hottest young ladies on the face of the planet!)

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.06.08 15:20:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 74) : you know you’re free to write what you like here, just as I am. You are one of the few from the other place that can defend your opinions without resorting to childish fits of rage. So by all means, take me on when I talk shit and I’ll do the same to you.

    As for the academy, I know that you have one now. And well done… I hope it helps you guys keep your players. 8th place in the Super 14 is an achievable target in the next five years ;)

  • Comment 77, posted at 05.06.08 15:23:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Eish post 76 – a – lucid moment :idea:

  • Comment 78, posted at 05.06.08 15:25:58 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • 6. epi taoni
    7. epi taoni
    8. epi taoni.
    now thats a winning combination

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.06.08 15:27:06 by geraas Reply
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  • ag lets leave the RW/SW thing in the bin- where it belongs

    Mind you- VrystAAt will keep losing mature players- but to other shores, not so much to the DebenBeach- as had happened in the past…

    BUT the flipside is a great regenerating “genepOOl” of players that still want to play the game- not overpaid primadoNNas- that is prone to not converting wiNNing oPPortunities…..

    :twisted:

    And in all honesty in S14 , same as Cc same as RWC only the wiNner counts

    Second is still first of the lOOsers!

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.06.08 15:31:34 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 80) : so tell me, what on earth is the story with Duncan going to Japan? Seems a strange move to me.

  • Comment 81, posted at 05.06.08 15:33:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @geraas (Comment 79) : one-trick pony ;)

  • Comment 82, posted at 05.06.08 15:34:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @geraas (Comment 79) :

    I just heard alot of noise……

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.06.08 15:34:31 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • robdylan
    Has the above got something to do with the stirring thing you were talking about this morning?

  • Comment 84, posted at 05.06.08 15:34:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 83) : you have to excuse him. I THINK he’s a Bulls supporter. ;)

  • Comment 85, posted at 05.06.08 15:34:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 83) : Think most of the noise is in his head.

  • Comment 86, posted at 05.06.08 15:35:41 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) :

    The poster or the player? ;)

  • Comment 87, posted at 05.06.08 15:38:34 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 84) : Salmo, why do I get the feeling you know something that I don’t? Maybe we should discuss this via email? rob at sharksworld dot coza

  • Comment 88, posted at 05.06.08 15:40:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @geraas (Comment 79) :

    Are they related to Epi Taione?

  • Comment 89, posted at 05.06.08 15:41:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 87) : draw your own conclusion. I admit nothing in front of lawyers ;)

  • Comment 90, posted at 05.06.08 15:42:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) :

    No Idea – but I dont think he was chased away.

    Pity he left- I heard he was leaving for Europe- then the Japan thing

    But the States will miss him- great guy- just tOO short for maybe even the European Club Scene- also with the change in ELV’s re the maul- the game is moving away from all his strong points- he is a clever enough dude to understand the effect of rulechanges on his form factor restrictions- it might have influenced his decisions- and the Yen is not edzaKkerly going to be under pressure in the next 2 years, so maybe – “history” will judge it to have been an “inspired” choice!

  • Comment 91, posted at 05.06.08 15:42:25 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 91) : how tall is he? I guess not really much of a lineout specialist, is he?

    Pity. I liked him a lot. Always great to hear the Free State skipper speaking Durban English in the post match interviews ;)

  • Comment 92, posted at 05.06.08 15:48:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • give the man a chance. he’s used to catching a soccer ball not the oval shaped one.

  • Comment 93, posted at 05.06.08 15:50:08 by geraas Reply
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  • anyway, OO… bullshit aside. Hoe do you rate Free State’s chances in the Currie Cup this year? Who will be the skipper? Luftwaffe? Is Oelshig still around? Not sure why I thought he’d been booted.

    Who will the starting team be?

    du Preez, A Strauss, Kalldo, de Villiers, Luftwaffe, Brussow, Nel, Vermeulen (once fit), Falie, JLP/Rossouw, Passens, Bosman, JWJ, Fredericks, Fortuin?

  • Comment 94, posted at 05.06.08 15:51:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • :lol:

    I believe its 1.94- But like Wiese- he almost always got his own ball at 2

    No man its not debenAnglo

    it was cultured PE English- you okes rejected him after the academy in favour for some Dutch Boere boikies that was taller …..

    CoachEra$mus re surrected his career by geTTing him from the EP Jumbo’s

  • Comment 95, posted at 05.06.08 15:53:32 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) :

    That’s not a bad CC team – reckon it will annihilate the weaker teams, can’t write them off either vs the bigger teams either.

    Still, I think we’re going to end up with a WP-Bulls final :roll:

    Hoe gaan dit, OO? Please correct me if I’m wrong, but did you mention something about Adriaan Strauss (hooker) leaving Free State yesterday?

    @robdylan (Comment 77) :

    I though Grey High was the FS academy :shock: ?

  • Comment 96, posted at 05.06.08 15:54:36 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) :
    OK, Oranje’s comment at 80 confirms it.
    Have us Shark supporters really said that the Free State are no good. That can only be based on their Super 14 performance. Currie Cup is a different kettle of fish. Free State will be strong there.

  • Comment 97, posted at 05.06.08 15:56:40 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) :

    Discard the Cheetah team at your own peril

    CC Cheetahs will always be stronger than S14 side- since the Griqua influence is now back in Kimberley- so expect a side that will play the ELV’s to the fuLLest

    Passens is long gone

    The top try scorer of Cc 2008 WILL be one Wilton Pietersen – some rumours on heavy dude locks coming back- but you know mos Boet

    Come CC time Cheetahs will be one of the top 4 again

    :cool:

  • Comment 98, posted at 05.06.08 15:57:22 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 97) : OO and I enjoy winding each other up. I don’t think he really believes that I am behind the superstirrer postings on RW; just a bit of juicy bait he was dangling.

    I also rate the Cheetahs far more highly than I will ever admit in front of him ;) Oops!

  • Comment 99, posted at 05.06.08 15:59:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 96) :

    You are right Grey could be considered as an Academy but rather an SA Academy than a OFS Academy.

    All we have to do now is get the OFS boys to stop claiming anyone who wnet to Grey bloem as one of their own. :wink:

  • Comment 100, posted at 05.06.08 16:00:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 96) :

    Quite fine Le Rq

    Nope Reghardt StrauSS might be leaving for the Tswanepoele- where he will be earning more moNNy and be the understudy to John Smit, mildChiLLy and Kuhn

    Grey High is in PE- Duncan was the headboy there

    Grey KoLLege is the Free State Conveyor Belt

    BTW Nel is also leaving

  • Comment 101, posted at 05.06.08 16:01:16 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 98) : Pietersen? Fullback, right? Another hobbit, though? Any relation to JP?

    Is their tension between you guys and the “diamond farmers”? Or is it only because they send you kak players like Herkie Kruger? ;)

  • Comment 102, posted at 05.06.08 16:02:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 99) :

    Well then maybe he should go and read my post on the subject on Morne’s article on Sharksworld yesterday.

  • Comment 103, posted at 05.06.08 16:02:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 99) :

    hehehe

    In a 100 years time- I might even show my Kids UShaka

  • Comment 104, posted at 05.06.08 16:03:10 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 101) : Richardt would be crazy to go if Smit is going to Pta. He could walk starting hooker, otherwise, as Chilli is always injured and Kuhn is kak.

    I wonder if Paul Anthony has been on the phone to John… ;) That’s the only possible reason I could think of for him wanting to join the Bulls.

  • Comment 105, posted at 05.06.08 16:04:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • where he will be earning more moNNy and be the understudy to John Smit, mildChiLLy and Kuhn

    One of the best taunts in a while, that.

  • Comment 106, posted at 05.06.08 16:05:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 102) :

    No HoBBit – just a very effective aTTacker

    No real malice with The Griquas- just the fact that we are the only real regional side is a weakness.

    I have huge respect for Griqua Rugby- but unless SA moves away from the _ so called regional model and let the top teams in CC play the next year S14- yeah Boet the states dont fear that scenario at all- dont expect the S14 Cheetahs to be Champion….

    But it would help if they can learn how to tackle and fire Valie

    Anyway- today was an exception- I had time to waste- so I will piSS in your pOl again on a later stage!

  • Comment 107, posted at 05.06.08 16:07:19 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 107) : we look forward to it. If you are as insightful in your productive time as you are in your wasted time, then your employers are lucky indeed ;)

  • Comment 108, posted at 05.06.08 16:14:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • ok – so this just in. I have a feeling we may see Jacques Potgieter on his way soon.

  • Comment 109, posted at 05.06.08 17:32:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • Pietersen is yet another guy the Cheetahs poached from SWD! ;)

  • Comment 110, posted at 05.06.08 17:34:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • Jacques-Louis?

    Where to, Sharks?

  • Comment 111, posted at 05.06.08 17:35:04 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 110) :

    so let me get this right, theoretically SWD Eagles should be our indirect feeder, but practically…

  • Comment 112, posted at 05.06.08 17:35:52 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) :

    oki ok, I’m with you now – you were referring to the “Chabal-esque” flank.

    Please do share your info…

  • Comment 113, posted at 05.06.08 17:41:06 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 113) : Facebook statuses can be useful sources of info

  • Comment 114, posted at 05.06.08 17:42:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • my fault on the name confusion, BTW. His full name is Ulrich Jacques Potgieter, but he’s known as Jacques

  • Comment 115, posted at 05.06.08 17:43:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • il va en france, peut-etre?

  • Comment 116, posted at 05.06.08 17:46:28 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 116) : non! Je ne sais pas où il va, mais je pense Angleterre

  • Comment 117, posted at 05.06.08 17:51:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • mooi Rob, was that your own or babelfish ;) ?

  • Comment 118, posted at 05.06.08 17:56:33 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 118) : you caught me. I got about halfway on my own, then had to use help

  • Comment 119, posted at 05.06.08 17:58:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • lmao, the accents gave you away!

  • Comment 120, posted at 05.06.08 18:00:16 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 120) : he he… didn’t even think about that ;)

  • Comment 121, posted at 05.06.08 18:01:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • Forkit, is it hometime there already? I’m just getting warmed up this side.

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