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Bolla has staked his claim


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 9 Jun 2008 at 00:59

Ricky Januarie is under even more pressure now than he was when he lost his place in the South African rugby team last week.

Pieter Jordaan writes in Volksblad that Januarie’s omission gave Bolla Conradie an opportunity to return to Test rugby and the Western Province veteran did so well in the first Test against Wales that it will be hard to replace him now.

Conradie’s inclusion in the starting line-up after Januarie had been dropped for a breaching the Springbok team’s code of conduct was seen as a major surprise. His performance must have been an equally big surprise to some critics.

His service to flyhalf Butch James was fast and secure and his decision-making excellent.

The 30-year-old Conradie had a major hand in the try that Pierre Spies scored in the second half.

He was on hand to take the ball after a break by flanker Luke Watson and he beat a Welsh defender before offloading to Spies.

Because of his experience, Conradie was not overly nervous about being brought into the team at such short notice.

James praised Conradie for his performance. “He had an outstanding game. We’re fortunate to have so many fine scrumhalves in South Africa,” the flyhalf said.

Disappointing performance

Conradie is probably No 3 on coach Peter de Villiers’s list of scrumhalves, with World Cup star Fourie du Preez and Januarie at the top.

The Welsh also arrived in South Africa without three top scrumhalves, Dwayne Peel, Mike Phillips and Andy Williams.

This gave Gareth Cooper an opportunity to play in Bloemfontein but he, in contrast to Conradie, produced a disappointing performance.

Another Springbok who seized his opportunity in the first Test is centre Adrian Jacobs, who had been recalled to the team after an absence of several years.

Jacobs left the field during the second half, but he is expected to be fit to play in Pretoria.

The Sharks midfielder, who had combined well with Jean de Villiers, had to go off because of cramps.

“I’m not getting any younger,” he said. “I had a couple of cramps but I can’t wait for the Pretoria Test because Peter (de Villiers) wants us to move the ball around.”

Minor injuries are likely to prevent one or two of the other Springboks from training on Monday but all members of the squad should be available for the Test at Loftus Versfeld.



208 Comments

  • Bolla had a very good game.

    I just couldn’t understand why people were saying his selection was a shock.

    He has never had a bad test for the Boks as opposed to Ruan Pienaar who is one of the most overrated players in SA.

    He also had a consistent season with the Stormers, maybe not as good as Januarie but he really put his hand up this past weekend.

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.06.08 07:21:51 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
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  • Well…like I said…Bolla put in some good performances in the super 14 and with Ricky out…i don’t think PdV was left with much of a choice. We all know that RP was moved around in the Super 14. The person who might have had a case based on form was Vermaak but I did mention the fact that Bolla probably beat him on experience.

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.06.08 08:22:29 by blackshark Reply

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  • yea Bolla suprised and played well but now lets not fools ourselves it was as obvious as day when Ruan came on that the ball was being delievered alot quicker and adds a certin presence to the position.Also you know everytime he touches the ball something special can happen.Overrated, I doubt it.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.06.08 08:58:27 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • Bolla had a very good game, no complaints at all. Ruan is no way overrated but it doesn’t help his form when he keeps getting shifted around the backline, just like it can’t be good for Frans Steyn.

    I thought John Smit was superb. He often gets unnecessary criticism but rarely gets praise.

    Overall, for a first performance of the season it was extremely encouraging. Scrumming needs a bit of work but nothing that can’t be fixed!

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.06.08 09:09:27 by Villie Reply
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  • Have to agree with WPW… Too much has been made of Ruan Pienaar over the last couple of years. Talented player, yes, but so are just about every other Super 14 player in this country. I think he’ll struggle to stay in the Bok squad this season.

    I’m not the biggest Bolla fan at all (I think his attitude is terrible), but he had a great game on Saturday and it seems that someone sat him down and told him to concentrate more on his game than on opening his mouth. Januarie and FDP have a fight on their hands now, which can only be good for Bok rugby.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.06.08 09:12:04 by Ghost10 Reply

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  • Villie

    Ruan got moved to 10 after Fred got injured. Kokkott (sp?) became 1st choice due to Ruan’s indifferent form.

    I’ve always said, I’d rather have a consistent player in the side who almost always does the basics right than a show pony who does one brilliant move but is not as consistent.

    Ruan is not the seconf best 9 in SA and should improve his game or he won’t make the 22 when FDP and Januarie are available…

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.06.08 09:49:59 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 6) : can’t argue with that last bit, I’m afraid

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.06.08 10:01:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good game Bolla….you proved a lot of doubters including myself wrong….well done for taking the opportunity that was presented to you.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.06.08 10:07:35 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 8) : yeah. I’m quite proudly eating my hat this morning. Pretty tasty

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.06.08 10:09:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ja Bolla,well done!Very well done boykie.

    Jean is also tackling like a trojan these days.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.06.08 10:25:57 by PJLD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) :

    Yip so much for all the doomsayers regarding this team…Butch also showed he is still a great place kicker.

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.06.08 10:51:40 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • As much talent as I think Ruan has , I think he tries to many things and forgets to do the basics right. He was a lot slower because he is constantly looking around and seems indecisive.His service was worse than Bolla’s.

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.06.08 11:02:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Well said Pokkel. I agree.

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.06.08 12:13:32 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 6) :

    I agree that his form in the early part of the Super 14 was not great and Kockott stole a march on him, but he’s a talented player and is always likely to make the Bok 22 due to his versatility. JW used him to cover anywhere in the backline.

    However this versatility is not necessarily good for him as it means he doesn’t get to concentrate on his specialist position and is therefore unlikely to start a game.

    I’ve always said I’d like to see him as a fullback but most people disagreed and said 10 was his best position. I still feel he has all the attributes to make a quality fullback!

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.06.08 13:42:26 by Villie Reply
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  • i’ve forked an oyster before, but i have never staked a clam.

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.06.08 14:09:11 by try time Reply

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  • Ha-ha I guess it must be Bolla day..

    Why don’t you all go back and watch the game again..Ruan service slower than Bolla…

    Bolla still does he’s Greganesque 3 step before passing the ball..and in this game it wasn’t that noticable only because he and Butch were behind a pack that was going forward at a rate of knots.

    I’ll agree Ruan’s form has dropped and thats due to him being screwed around from one postiion to the next whereas the liks of Bolla stays a scrummie.

    I am finding it perplexing to say the least that suddenly the likes of Ruan and Steyn are these average players..frankly they are not and perhaps having won a WC at such an early age has effected them mentally and need a bit of a wake up.

    I stand by though that both these players are extremely gifted and still will have alot more to offer to South African rugby.

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.06.08 14:10:19 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 16) : Why is it that only you and I seem to see that Bolla takes all those steps before releasing the ball. This is a problem that Januarie had last season, but has improved dramatically this season. Ruan’s service was so much cleaner and quicker than Bolla’s, he never took steps, and even when he took the odd snipe, he was quickly up and ready to feed the backs at the next ruck. He didn’t go walkabout at all, but granted it was only 15 minutes. Bolla didn’t play badly, it is just those steps he tends to take before releasing the ball.

    As for Steyn, I also agree, and the more I think about it, the more I believe that fullback is his best position. I have to believe his defense is better than Jantjes.

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.06.08 14:23:54 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I am one to admit….Bolla proved me wrong…

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.06.08 14:33:18 by Hmmm Reply

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  • But Mujati proved me right….

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.06.08 14:34:00 by Hmmm Reply

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  • I didn’t think Guthro was a suprise inclusion….but he did better than what I expected…

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.06.08 14:34:46 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Unfortunate they sent Mujati off when Wales opted for uncontested scrums….would have done a lot for his confidence not moving backwards for a change….

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.06.08 14:35:41 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Mujati cheepend the Springb ok jersey….

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.06.08 14:36:49 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Bekker playued well….but Victor is still a few strides ahead….the way he just slaps slaps slaps the ball from throw-in straight into the scrummies hands everytime….

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.06.08 14:38:11 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 3) :

    Agree with you CSB….Ruan’s feed was noticably quicker than Bolla’s….but I wont rate him as better than Bolla on the day…they both played against poor oppo in Gareth…

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.06.08 14:41:15 by Hmmm Reply

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  • hmmmm…..don’t let any of us interrupt your little conversation with yourself ;)

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.06.08 14:44:29 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 6) :

    Agree with that though…Ruan is no Ricky or Fourie….

    Fourie’s running speed and Ricky’s terrier like approach sets them clear of Ruan…more consistent as well…

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.06.08 14:45:18 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 25) :

    I was making statements….LoL

    But yeh….seems we were right about Mujati….

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.06.08 14:46:50 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 27) :

    Statements!! Oh and there was me thinking you were trying to catch Rob in the comments stats….

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.06.08 14:52:25 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 28) :

    Nope…Rob and KSA are light years ahead of me…

    Even if I make 200 comments a day it will take several months before I catch them…

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.06.08 14:56:07 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Hmmm

    You have to remember this was Mujati’s first test. I doubt he will be in the starting team when BJ returns from injury and when the TN starts.

    I think the fact that he left your beloved Lions team for CT might be the reason you don’t like the guy.

    He had a very good S14 and deserves to be in the squad on merit. Your comment about him ‘cheepening’ the Bok jersey is just plain ridiculous.

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    Even if I make 200 comments a day it will take several months before I catch them…
    Comment 29, posted at 09.06.08 14:56:07 by Hmmm

    And believe me we all know you are capable of that… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.06.08 15:00:16 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 30) : he doesn’t deserve to be in the squad ahead of Jannie, IN MY OPINION…

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.06.08 15:03:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • Thank goodness its only ‘your’ opinion hey Rob? :lol:

    Jannie imho was just plain average the entire S14 except for maybe one or two games.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.06.08 15:10:14 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 33) : take the “h” out of “imho”, please ;)

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.06.08 15:12:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.06.08 15:26:30 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 30) :

    Nope…I have no beef with people changing teams…why would I praise Ricky then…not everyone thinks like a primary school boi…

    And I said all that I said today for the last 2 weeks…and myself and Dive Pass had a lengthy conversation about that (or was it Dancing Bear…well either one of them)…

    He went backwards a lot in the S14….and went backwards like 14 times or something in his last S14 alone…

    Merit!??! So scrumming does not count when you are a prop…

    Heinke (I know he scrums on the other side…but Guthro and CJ can scrum both sides)…CJ (and I am no praiser of his scrumiging)…Guthro…Beast…Jannie all deserve to be there before him…on merit fro actually being able to scrum…

    I actually think a Heinke Guthro combo with Beast or CJ with fresh legs in teh 2nd half where their great general play will pay off….with Beast as first choice bencher…

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.06.08 15:27:32 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 31) :

    Nope…too busy working hard these days….and when not working socialising even harder…

    But I am still in 3rd spot….but that is mostly due to my commentating during S14 games…

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.06.08 15:29:57 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 33) :

    But better than Mujati so just shows how below average Mujati was…

    I have not spoken to any one that is not from Cape Town that thinks Mujati is in the top 4 props (not counting both sides)…

    Even a few honest Cape Town supporters had the same opinion….

    Even Beast scrummed him into his own azz….

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.06.08 15:32:54 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 30) :

    So wpw…the bottemline is…any prop the reinacts back-to-the-future was well as Mujati does and so often is most definately cheepening the Sprongbok jersey….

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.06.08 15:34:24 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 36) : Gurthro has never played tighthead a day in his life. He is a kak scrummager at loosehead anyway… don’t even want to speculate how much worse he’d be at 3.

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.06.08 15:34:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • #36

    Gurthro is a loosehead prop dude. What are you talking about???

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.06.08 15:37:16 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
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  • Isn’t it great that none of us are selectors or have any influence on who plays for the Boks???

    If it was up to certain folks we would have JDV playing at 10 (thanks PA), BJ at loosehead and Danie PK at openside.

    Not too mention Barritt at 12… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.06.08 15:39:55 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) :

    You sure? He did not scrum badly at all the weekend…but not sure of the effect a bad tighthead like Mujati had on the front row…

    But I do agree that Heinke is better than him anyways…just thought since he has not done badly at all all season to give him a go on the other side…

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.06.08 15:43:16 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 41) :

    Well I must have confused him cozz I was almost sure he could pop down on the other side…

    Well in that case then Heinke should displace him…with Beast/CJ/Jannie on the other side…with Beast or CJ off the bench…

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.06.08 15:45:20 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 42) :

    Danie has not done mutch this year and set nothing alight on Saturday….

    I believe Kanko is being hard done by not playing at least off the bench…

    And even Joe is a better bet…

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.06.08 15:46:49 by Hmmm Reply

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  • I have just watched the first 20min & last 20min of the test. And from that footage it is quite clear that Bolla does NOT take 3 steps before passing. He takes a step/skip to the side he is passing to. In exactly the same fashion as the Welsh srummie did, and the same as Pienaar did when he came on. And probably the same any other scrumhalf. There were even occasions were he took no step at all. :roll:

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.06.08 15:47:41 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • As far as I remember Gurthro Steemkamp played at tighthead in the Free State with Os at loosehead….

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.06.08 15:49:14 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 47) :

    might be wrong??? OO where are you?

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.06.08 15:51:20 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 46) : Sorry Racheltjie, I watched the test twice over the weekend as well as live, and believe me, there were several times that Bolla took several steps before passing. One was so obvious that even the commentators noticed it and pointed out that the defense was able to get up to the line because of Bolla’s steps.

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.06.08 15:53:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 46) : Correct,i was looking out for it while i was watching the game and took note that that little habit was missing from his game,as a marra o fact Ricki is rather guilty of it these days.

    Thats said Ricki is still way better.

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.06.08 15:53:52 by PJLD Reply
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  • Gurthro is a very strong oke, but his scrummaging technique at loosehead leaves a lot to be desired. He is not an aggressive scrummager, and will not put pressure on the tighthead. He is strong though, so he does not go backward much at all, but he puts little or no pressure on the tighthead.

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.06.08 15:57:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Dude, Beast is also a loosehead prop.

    Rob, plse correct me if i’m wrong.

    Looseheads:

    Beast
    Heinke
    Gurthro

    Tightheads:

    Mujati
    BJ

    Players who can scrum on both sides:

    CJ
    Jannie

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.06.08 15:57:26 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 49) :

    DB you are so pro- Ruan, I can believe you saw no good of his competition… ;)

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.06.08 15:58:24 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 49) :

    DB you are so pro- Ruan, I can believe you saw no good of his competition… ;)

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.06.08 15:58:39 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 52) : correct Wes.

    Beast started out at tighthead… he lasted 20 minutes of one game for the Natal u21s in that position before being switched to the other side.

    I don’t recall Gurthro Steenkamp playing a 3, but OO would know better

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.06.08 16:02:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 48) :

    DP

    I caNNot remember him playing TH

    He played LH before OS made his comeback- was injured and I believe they were in the squad for a season together before he went to the Tswanepoele!

    TH is not for everyone, scruMMing wise I believe the Best we have is still Cobus Visagie, then BJ , then JaNNie then CJ, Rayno gerber and even Faan Rautenbach even Cobus Calldo is developing well.

    That is for scrumming only

    Now obviously there are political maths at play- but it did not cost us the test- how 3 will pan out in future might cost us- then the coaching staff will have to answer.

    The new law changes will put pressure anyway on those type of TH’s Nothing wrong in blOOding new guys with other more dynamic attributes- If they keep failing – it will be stupid to persist with them though. I hope gary Gold will undertsand this and get some specialist help.

    Rather try it now than in the RWC year- anyway with BJ back from injury- I believe he will play and CJ will be the specialist prop bencher- coz he can cover both more than adequatly

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.06.08 16:02:48 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 54) : Ummmmm not so DP, in fact I have said that Ricky used to have the problem of taking steps last season, but has improved this dramatically this season, attitude aside he should be starting ahead of Ruan. Bolla still takes the steps.

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.06.08 16:03:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Aai, it seems certain players can do no wrong… i.e. Steyn, Ruan…

    And certain players always have to prove themselves: Watson, Bolla, Jantjes…

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 47) :

    I also remember something to that effect….but we both could be wrong…LoL

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.06.08 16:04:03 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 49) : Maybe once or twice. I didn’t go over every minute, ruck & maul. But like I said it was no different to the other scrummies on display.

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.06.08 16:04:40 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 58) : You either need a set of Sharks tinted glasses or anti WP glasses to see it. :mrgreen:

    But we all do it. My primary motivation for defending Bolla is that he plays for Province. And I believe I’m right of course. :lol:

  • Comment 61, posted at 09.06.08 16:07:06 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 51) :

    Guthro is very strong and holds his ground always from what I have seen…

    My beef is that Mujati has gone backwards so many times it will take forever to give examples….

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.06.08 16:07:48 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 58) : BS WPW, I have been very vocal about Steyn and how he should have been benched with the Sharks much earlier in the season. I also said that Watson played well at 6 in this test.

    If you really believe that Jantjes had a good game, then you are very one-eyed, he had some good spells, but was also very bad at times. Please stop whining about players being treated poorly. I notice you are not too ready to defend Mujati, what a waste of space he was. He was a terrible scrummager in the Super 14, and proved how bad he is on Saturday.

  • Comment 63, posted at 09.06.08 16:07:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • And I’m not saying Bolla is the best in the land either. Just that he’s not as kak as some would have us believe. :twisted:

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.06.08 16:08:31 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 62) : Mujati is a joke, and what bothers me even more is that he is not all that great around the field (other than scrummaging). At least Gurthro was active around the field, Mujati was only visible when going backwards or when getting penalized for scrumming in on his own ball. THERE IS NEVER A REASON TO SCRUM IN ON YOUR OWN BALL!!!!!!!

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.06.08 16:10:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 64) : It is just that both Vermaak and Kockett are better options than Bolla.

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.06.08 16:10:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 60) :

    I did not check what each one did…but Ruan was clearing noticeably faster…wont necessarily say it was the passing…but more getting to the ball…getting it in-hand and rid of it was faster….

    But wont rate him higher than Bolla on the day though…

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.06.08 16:11:41 by Hmmm Reply

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  • According to the pundits in the UK Micheal ClAAsens might just be the top performing SA Scrumhalf in 2008.

    But then- he is not eligible for green 9, it seems

    :smile:

  • Comment 68, posted at 09.06.08 16:12:56 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 59) :

    Bottomline is that even if Gurthro ever did play at tighthead he moved to loosehead because he couldn’t cut it there
    (many tightheads have done that) …as Rob said very few players have got what it takes to be a good tighthead. I certainly would never dream of moving Steenkamp to tighthead for the Boks.

  • Comment 69, posted at 09.06.08 16:14:04 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 65) :

    Agree….still think a BJ/Smit/Heinke will be our best front row with Beast off the bench as he holds his own and was stand out in general play…but if the coach opts for only one prop replacement I guess CJ will get the nod ahead…

  • Comment 70, posted at 09.06.08 16:14:44 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 68) : Good point. He was really, really good for Bath.

  • Comment 71, posted at 09.06.08 16:15:51 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 66) :

    Nope…Bolla’s experience gives him tghe nod ahead of both…he has been tested at this level…they are still unknown at the level….

  • Comment 72, posted at 09.06.08 16:16:43 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 70) : That would be the best scrummaging front row available Hmmm. The tighthead is so important, there is no way we can continue to carry Mujati come tri-nations time. He should not see a Bok jersey again until he learns how to scrum properly and learn when it is appropriate to scrum illegally and when not.

  • Comment 73, posted at 09.06.08 16:17:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 68) :

    OO did Steenkamp ever play tighthead in the Free State…the more I think about it, I do think I am wrong and that he was always a loosehead?

  • Comment 74, posted at 09.06.08 16:17:30 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 69) :

    Oh ok…I though he had experience in both….but as I said…must have been confusing him with someone else…

  • Comment 75, posted at 09.06.08 16:17:58 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 66) : They’re all pretty close imho.

  • Comment 76, posted at 09.06.08 16:18:49 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 72) : OK, so Bolla must start for his experience, but Mujati must start for what reason????? Can’t have it both ways, saying Bolla is in there for experience, but then start with the most inexperienced and terribly poor tighthead. If Mujati deserves a start, then surely Vermaak or Kocky deserve a start.

  • Comment 77, posted at 09.06.08 16:18:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 72) : I agree.

  • Comment 78, posted at 09.06.08 16:19:15 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 71) :

    He was driven away from Cheetahs because of his “voKKie ligte- kom ons speel die game” statement

    He is a wonderful defender- and might just play the ELV game wonderfully

    he was however bad in the oPPortunities that he got in green- but then no one in front of him was shining either.

    Not rOOting for inclusion for him – just saying that ELV’s needs a quick cleaning scrumhalf- not a “brilliant” I am puTTing more pressure on the fly half to see if there are oPPortunity for me to shine- kind of guy

  • Comment 79, posted at 09.06.08 16:21:00 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • If Mujati deserves a start over BJ, CJ and Jannie, then surely Vermaak or Kocky deserve a start over Bolla.

  • Comment 80, posted at 09.06.08 16:21:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 74) :

    No he didnt, not that i can remember

  • Comment 81, posted at 09.06.08 16:22:01 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 79) : One thing I did notice was his defence. And also he keeps going like the duracell bunny.

  • Comment 82, posted at 09.06.08 16:22:46 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 63) :

    Agree 100%…and I also praised Bolla for his game…so it is not as if we are picking on people…

    No one can complain about Luke’s or Bolla’s play…do I personally think either is ahead of Schalk/ricky respectively…nope…but def not a waste of the green and gold…

    Conrad was poor….caught out of pos a few times by a inexperienced kicker….he never got close to recovering a up and under…once running 5 meters past where the ball came down…he was by a long shot the poorest defender between both sides…once he tripled around…went nowhere and got tackled back with players beside him…he did not even put in one great punt (which is his only strength)…

  • Comment 83, posted at 09.06.08 16:25:48 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 82) :

    Cheetahs miss him heavily!

    gOOde player

    Would like to know “oFFline” from Butch who is the best scrumhalf he has played with of late?

  • Comment 84, posted at 09.06.08 16:25:57 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 81) :

    We need to improve Wiki records to include all games played in the Currie Cup etc, more stats – so there are exact rugby records on the internet somewhere accessible.

  • Comment 85, posted at 09.06.08 16:27:09 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 77) :

    What are you talking about….Mujati is useless and it is a disgrace that we even “awarded” a player like that with Green and Gold…

    He definately cheepend the Bok jersey…

    Never have a posted a comment in Mujati’s praise as I am not from Werstern Cape and he has never given me a reason to…

  • Comment 86, posted at 09.06.08 16:30:17 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 83) : Actually Hmmm Chavanga’s defense was about as bad as Jantjes. Other than a strong kick, and speed, he offers nothing else. Odwa does not have his all out pace, but in every other facet of the game he offers much more than Chavanga, in fact so does Akona and even JPP.

  • Comment 87, posted at 09.06.08 16:30:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 86) : Not saying you were defending Mujati Hmmm. My point is that if PdV is going to say that Bolla starts due to his experience, then why does CJ, BJ, or Jannie not start ahead of Mujati. I am pointing out that our Bok coach is a bit of a hypocrite.

  • Comment 88, posted at 09.06.08 16:32:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 80) :

    Neither of those deserves a start ahead of any of those players you mentioned…

    Mujati should get Blue and White at best and the rest are unfortunately not in the top 3 scrumhalves in the country…def very good and serious potential…but nothing more at that stage…

    Was disappointed that neither were included in the training squad though….

  • Comment 89, posted at 09.06.08 16:33:52 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 88) :

    I was giving my opinion on why Bolla should start ahead of those two…no idea why PdV does…

  • Comment 90, posted at 09.06.08 16:34:48 by Hmmm Reply

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  • The final word this week is reserved for that hot-headed Tongan Epi Taione. After a diabolical Super 14 campaign with the Sharks where he was banned for six weeks for a less-than-subtle headbutt, then was sensationally recalled for the semifinal, where his performance was arguably the worst of the entire Super 14 season (yes, even worse than Earl Rose’s shocker against the Hurricanes), Taione has hit the headlines again…

    He has once again falling foul of the law in the International Rugby Board (IRB) Pacific Nations Cup match between New Zealand Maori and Tonga in Albany at the weekend.

    His reckless tackle on Thomas Waldrom has earned him another two week stint on the sidelines, confirming Taione has a liability and nothing else. There are no two ways about it and I wonder if his most recent employers, English club Harlequins, are regretting their decision to sign the Tongan madman?

  • Comment 91, posted at 09.06.08 16:35:04 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 88) : That’s a bit harsh. Like Mr de Villiers is the first Bok coach to make a left field selection. He can’t pick/please everyone. Life’s not fair. I’m certain Kockott etc are not the first and certainly not the last to not make it when their fans think they should’ve.

  • Comment 92, posted at 09.06.08 16:36:09 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 87) :

    Nope…disagree with Akona and JPP…..especially JPP….

    Chevange was outstanding in the S14….he even handed other players off to score and scored very good tries…I would play him out for a few games….he def has potential to be very lethal…but agree…needs to work on his defense…

  • Comment 93, posted at 09.06.08 16:37:19 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 92) :

    Ask Craig Davidson and Luke Watson about what they think of Mr White’s selection policy….

  • Comment 94, posted at 09.06.08 16:39:33 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 92) : Not harsh at all Racheltjie, in fact you even know it is not harsh because even you have not tried to defend Mujati’s selection. My problem is not with the non-selection of Kocky and Vermaak, but with the selection of Mujati over BJ, CJ and Jannie. Now, do you have anything to defend Mujati’s inclusion over these three?

  • Comment 95, posted at 09.06.08 16:41:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 93) : Chavanga was invisible for most of the match. He was completely invisible whenever his defense was needed.

  • Comment 96, posted at 09.06.08 16:42:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 94) :

    Neither of those deserved it when Jake was caoching…

  • Comment 97, posted at 09.06.08 16:42:13 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 96) :

    I know he was….but he has shown that he has loads of potential…he was the stand out SA wing the S14….Stormers could not scroe 4 tries in a match he did not play in….

    A test asks more of ones def….and he mioght not have all the answers now….

  • Comment 98, posted at 09.06.08 16:44:42 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 95) : He was the coach’s choice. Right or wrong. I guess Mr de Villiers thought he deserved a chance. And I’m sure he won’t keep on selecting him if he proves to be not up to the job. And as I’ve mentioned beore, you could go back to every Bok coach and find a Mujati like selection. It’s just one of those things.

  • Comment 99, posted at 09.06.08 16:45:02 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • And btw calling the Bok coach, based on one selection that did not work out a hypocrite is harsh & petty.

  • Comment 100, posted at 09.06.08 16:47:54 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 99) : No reason then, just that PdV wanted him???? Sorry Racheltjie, I demand more from the coach, I won’t just accept “he was my choice” as the answer, explain why he was your choice, what has he EVER DONE TO DESERVE SPRINGBOK colours????? Not acceptable to just say he is the coach’s choice, not ever acceptable. PdV showed his bias when he said “Mujati had an excellent Super 14, and CJ and BJ are not bad tightheads.” Give me a break, how anyone can even compare Mujati to those two, and then to claim he is better. Sorry, I will never just accept that choice, PdV degraded the Bok Jersey by selecting Mujati and not even for a reason he is willing to express.

  • Comment 101, posted at 09.06.08 16:49:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 100) : There was no reason to select Mujati. He is hypocritical by touting Bolla’s experience, and then selecting Mujati over much more experienced and better players. That is not petty Racheltjie, it is hypocritical. But I don’t suppose any WP/Stormers supporter will ever see anything bad in PdV, he is after all selecting mostly Stormers whether deserved or not.

  • Comment 102, posted at 09.06.08 16:50:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 102) : So by your definition ALL springbok coaches are hypocrites. Your problem seems to more the fact the the coach from WP selected a player from WP that bombed. As soon as you prove to me that Mr de Villiers is the first and only Bok coach to make such an error I’ll join your hypocrite chorus.

  • Comment 103, posted at 09.06.08 16:54:49 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 101) : I don’t think Mr de Villiers simply ‘wanted’ him. I am merely speculating, but I think Mr de Villiers thought he was good enough to deserve a run. It didn’t work. Tough.

  • Comment 104, posted at 09.06.08 16:56:36 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • Never said he was my choice. I am not Peter de Villiers. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 105, posted at 09.06.08 16:57:40 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • Well I reserve the right to bitch all I want about Mujati’s selection. This is because I have been complaining about his selection since he first made the training squad, and, in fact, have been pointing out how poor a scrummager and player he is since the very first game of the season. I didn’t have to wait until the Wales game to figure out that he is useless.

    So what you are saying is that PdV is such a poor selector of talent that he still wanted to give him a shot, or else there is another reason. So which is it? Is PdV so bad he should not be Bok coach or is there some other reason he is selecting Mujati, hence my point on him being a hypocrite. I think PdV knows better, so the only reason to select Mujati is because he is the correct colour and from the Western Cape.

  • Comment 106, posted at 09.06.08 17:01:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • flipping hell… looks like I need to turn up the AC in here!

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 106) : Please by all means bitch all you want. I’m all for it.

    I think I’ve said my peace as to why I think Mr de Villiers selected him. Would you have felt better if Mujati still played for the Lions and Mr de Villiers was from Pretoria? :wink:

  • Comment 108, posted at 09.06.08 17:07:38 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 106) :

    Agree and dissagree with that comment…

    Yes Mujati is useless…anyone who had their doubts just had to watch the LIONS vs Stormers game where he backtracked 14 or so times in 50/55 min…

    But he is not the right “colour” if you know what I mean…he is not a SA born player so does not count as a non white….

    But also have the speculation that PdV have show signs of being Nick Mallet was a few years ago…but let us hope it is early nurvous jitters than a trend….

  • Comment 109, posted at 09.06.08 17:07:54 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 106) : So he got the Mujati thing wrong, what about all the positives, selecting Matfield, Butch, Percy and keeping Smit as captain. That far outweighs the Mujati error.

  • Comment 110, posted at 09.06.08 17:09:23 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 108) :

    Nope I would have not and I am the biggest LIONS supporter in the world…

    And to prove it…I have said that Ricky is in some of the best form of his life and standout first choice scrummy….and he left the LIONS the same time….

  • Comment 111, posted at 09.06.08 17:09:28 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 108) : Hell no, I will never feel good about Mujati wearing the green and gold. He does not deserve it.

  • Comment 112, posted at 09.06.08 17:09:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 110) : Matfield should have started, he got that wrong too, and Percy should also have started, so he got that wrong too. He got lots wrong.

  • Comment 113, posted at 09.06.08 17:10:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 112) :

    What team do you support? (provincial)

  • Comment 114, posted at 09.06.08 17:10:55 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 113) :

    I can understand why he played Bekker and Jantjies ahead of Matfield and Percy….to grow them and the best way is to put them out there in the team with both those players….

    Jantjes just does not show the potential that he is worth it though….

  • Comment 115, posted at 09.06.08 17:12:51 by Hmmm Reply

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  • let’s not forget that Jake White persisted with Eddie Andrews at tight head for virtually his entire first season in charge, this despite the fact that Andrews was patently not up to the job and that there were many others deserving of selection ahead of him.

    Eddie was also from the Western Cape and is also not white.

    Let’s please try and refrain from pressing the default “he’s being picked cos he’s not white” button? There’s more than enough of that mentality on other sites; we don’t need it here. ALL coaches have players that they believe in despite the majority of the pundits believing they’re mad. Wynand Olivier? Akona Ndungane? Ettiene Fynn? JORRIE F*CKING KRUGER?

    Bok coaches (of all colours) have brainfarts and pick kak players (of all colours) all the time.

    NICO WEGNER? DEON LOTTER? Not even the great Mac was spared this madness.

  • Comment 116, posted at 09.06.08 17:12:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 114) : I have always been a supporter of the Natal provincial teams, when they were the Banana Boys and the Sharks.

  • Comment 117, posted at 09.06.08 17:13:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 115) :

    Kirschner/Ludik/Steyn are much better skilled players that can do wonders under a Percy….teach all 3 calmness to their games…

  • Comment 118, posted at 09.06.08 17:14:14 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 113) : Why so eager to crucify Mr de Villiers? You seem fixated on what he did wrong in your eyes. Simply because he didn’t do as you thought he should doesn’t make him wrong.

    I’m sure Matfield, Percy etc will be first choice come Tri-nations. Mr de Villiers is simply giving some fringe players a run.

  • Comment 119, posted at 09.06.08 17:14:55 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 116) : Just because Jake White got his tighthead horribly wrong in the first season is no justification for PdV for getting the same thing horribly wrong. In fact, one would hope he would have learned something from Jake White. Sorry Rob, can’t agree there, just because other coaches have made poor selections is no excuse for PdV. I expect more from any National coach.

  • Comment 120, posted at 09.06.08 17:15:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 116) :

    That is actually Jorrie Muller…

  • Comment 121, posted at 09.06.08 17:15:48 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Anyone know what the score was this weekend between the World Champions and the 6 Nations champions? :)

  • Comment 122, posted at 09.06.08 17:15:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 116) : And could we also resist pressing the ‘he picked him cause he plays for province’ button too. Thanks :mrgreen:

  • Comment 123, posted at 09.06.08 17:16:15 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 117) :

    I am glad they shaked the Banana boi tag….

  • Comment 124, posted at 09.06.08 17:16:23 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 121) : it is… Jorrie Kruger was also kak, but was never a Bok. Was he?

  • Comment 125, posted at 09.06.08 17:16:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 123) : he obviously learned that one from Nick Mallett

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  • @robdylan (Comment 122) :

    WC 23 – 11 6NC

    Was I right hey hey hey do I win anything….

  • Comment 127, posted at 09.06.08 17:17:28 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 125) :

    Never ever heard of Jorrie Kruger….

  • Comment 128, posted at 09.06.08 17:18:08 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 120) : look, I agree that picking Mujati was a bad call. I also expected more from the coach. And you are right that we should criticise him when he gets things wrong. But please, let’s not jump to conclusions about why certain players are being picked.

  • Comment 129, posted at 09.06.08 17:18:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 110) :

    Rachel… PDV did not select Butch for the game… Dick had to persuade him to allow Butch to start…

  • Comment 130, posted at 09.06.08 17:18:50 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 119) :

    I agree…

  • Comment 131, posted at 09.06.08 17:19:08 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 119) : Perhaps if PdV had said what you said Racheltjie, I would have no problem. But he has said nothing of the sort, PdV has said nothing that would make me believe he is going to pick a team any different to this for the Tri-Nations. I have heard people talk about that, but never the one who counts (PdV). Why do you think he will drop these players for the Tri-Nations? Did PdV say something to make you believe this? If so, please provide those quotes because I have clearly missed them.

    In fact, when he was asked if players like Kanko were being rested and would be used later in the season, he said that Kanko does not offer what Spies offers, so there is no reason to believe Kanko will play ahead of Spies. Sorry, you have a lot of faith in PdV, I have little reason to have that faith in him, he has not earned it.

  • Comment 132, posted at 09.06.08 17:19:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 130) :

    I guess he wanted to start Grant!??!

    Jip another nick mallet “play for WP and you almost guaranteed a Bok jersey” in the making…

  • Comment 133, posted at 09.06.08 17:20:46 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 130) : I’m sure that Peter Grant (WP) would be his first choice.

  • Comment 134, posted at 09.06.08 17:21:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 130) : Wasn’t aware of that. Were did you hear that?

  • Comment 135, posted at 09.06.08 17:21:55 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 127) : are you being intentionally dof? ;)

  • Comment 136, posted at 09.06.08 17:21:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • The only PDV selections I didn’t agree with were Mujati (I was right) & Bolla (I was wrong).

    Honestly I don’t understand why people are going overboard on the non-selection of Steyn & Kanko for the match 22, & Percy & Matfield being on the bench. It’s all about trying to strengthern our depth – something that was lacking outside of our first choice XV last season (remember Tri-Nations in Aus?). Obviously Percy & Matfield will start for the more important games, & the fact that Kanko and Steyn are in the squad means that they ARE in PDV’s IMMEDIATE plans!

    And would we honestly want new caps like Mujati / Bekker and players like Adi & Chavanga getting their second chances (in figurative sense) in the Tri-Nations or end of year tour (vs England etc)? I doubt it. Nor would starts against Italy alone really prove anything.

  • Comment 137, posted at 09.06.08 17:22:32 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 132) : On other blogs there was this dude called skopskiet or something. No matter what Jake White did he couldn’t see any good in the man. You are starting to remind me of him. :roll:

  • Comment 138, posted at 09.06.08 17:23:15 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 136) :

    No…what does that mean I got it wrong…

    At least give me a hint then please…

  • Comment 139, posted at 09.06.08 17:23:24 by Hmmm Reply

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  • The only way that the Bok coach can be judged is on results on the field and PDV has not been at the helm anywhere near long enough to be judged on his results.

    It’s a pointless discussion unless you can get answers directly from the coach for each point being raised. And that will never happen with our “personal agenda” filled media in SA.

  • Comment 140, posted at 09.06.08 17:23:59 by Ollie Reply

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  • And to add onto what OO said earlier, Claasens was actually runner-up to Ollie Barkley as Bath’s player of the season… I might get lynched by Vinnie for saying this, but I actually rated him more than Niel de Kock… Claassens vs Kockett, I’d take the former. Kockett still has a lot of maturing to do before he is ready for the step up.

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 138) : Ya know what Racheltjie, try to answer my question instead of just throwing out the insults. I asked some questions and asked for quotes if I missed them, you chose not to answer and instead opted for the insult.

  • Comment 142, posted at 09.06.08 17:25:32 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ollie (Comment 140) : Exactly.

  • Comment 143, posted at 09.06.08 17:25:32 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 137) :

    Mujati is useless…..that is one thing for sure…

    And you saying what I said earlier….the best way to get those players up to standard is to put them out there with support of great players like a Percy and Victor….

  • Comment 144, posted at 09.06.08 17:25:53 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Agreeing to disagree seems the only way forward ;)

  • Comment 145, posted at 09.06.08 17:26:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 145) : Apparently personal insults are also the way forward here.

  • Comment 146, posted at 09.06.08 17:28:05 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 135) :

    A few articles have mentioned that PDV had to be talked into starting Butch…

  • Comment 147, posted at 09.06.08 17:28:26 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Yep Rob, and mark half way through the 3N in the agenda for round 2 of this debate

  • Comment 148, posted at 09.06.08 17:28:54 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 142) : Dude, relax. It was said tongue in cheek. Apologies if you read it as an insult. What quotes? I’m merely giving MY opinion. One’s right to bitch remember? I have nothing to gain from defending Mr de Villiers or any of his selections. You seem intent on having a go at the man over one selection despite the Boks winning quite comprehensively.

  • Comment 149, posted at 09.06.08 17:31:05 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 144) :

    Hmmm, generally I skip your comments. Trivial waffle & the likes ;)

  • Comment 150, posted at 09.06.08 17:31:42 by Le Requinny Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 147) : Fair enough. He made the ‘correct’ decision in the end. Open minded it seems.

  • Comment 151, posted at 09.06.08 17:32:24 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 149) : Several selections I have a problem with. I have just heard people talk about how the team will change for the Tri-Nations, but have never heard any hint from PdV that this is indeed the case. Since you seemed convinced this would happen, I assumed you had some information and quotes from PdV that I might have missed. Clearly this is not the case, and anyone that says that the team will be different come Tri-Nations time is either wishful thinking or just making it up.

  • Comment 152, posted at 09.06.08 17:33:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 151) : hehehehe you seem to defend him as readily as I attack his decisions. There has to be some middle ground no?

  • Comment 153, posted at 09.06.08 17:34:40 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 146) : I don’t think it was intended that way, although I would also take umbrage at being compared to Skopskiet ;)

    If you really want me to, I’ll stroll over to Rachel’s place and belt him for you. If the knife-wielding chavs don’t get me first. ;)

  • Comment 154, posted at 09.06.08 17:37:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 154) : I’m a big boy, I can defend myself, even with the two broken ribs I now have.

  • Comment 155, posted at 09.06.08 17:40:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 152) : I really don’t care that much to keep this going. Will have to take Mr Otto’s advice and agree to disagree.

    Sincerely thanks for your opinion. :smile:

    In my strive for perfection, constructive criticism and alternative points of views are always helpful. :wink:

    The Boks won and I’m happy. Even if Me de Villiers picked my Gran at tighthead. :grin:

  • Comment 156, posted at 09.06.08 17:40:32 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • I promise not to compare anybody to skopskiet ever again. That was harsh. Error of judgment on my part. :lol:

  • Comment 157, posted at 09.06.08 17:42:15 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 156) : I would have been happy if your gran were selected over Mujati :wink:

    It’s all good, I have no problem with spirited discussions, and thanks for comment 157, comparing me to skopskiet was harsh and really hurt my feelings :wink:

  • Comment 158, posted at 09.06.08 17:44:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 157) :

    Lol… ain’t that the truth…

  • Comment 159, posted at 09.06.08 17:45:14 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @Le Requinny (Comment 150) :

    Yeh the likes to your comments….jinne you are one jealous oke…LoL

  • Comment 160, posted at 09.06.08 17:45:40 by Hmmm Reply

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  • I like happy endings. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 161, posted at 09.06.08 17:48:01 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • A couple more demerol and these ribs should stop hurting. Yikes but it is hard to breath, cough and laugh with two broken ribs.

  • Comment 162, posted at 09.06.08 17:50:17 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 162) : Nothing like prescription drugs to make one happy.

  • Comment 163, posted at 09.06.08 17:52:43 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 162) : what the f*ck happened?

  • Comment 164, posted at 09.06.08 17:56:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 162) :

    You piss the missus off again?

  • Comment 165, posted at 09.06.08 17:59:14 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 164) : Long story, but had severe back pain (sciatica) while walking with a friend to another friend’s house. When I got there the pain was so bad, I tried to rest against a rail on the balcony. The pain was so bad I passed out, took a tumble over the rail and landed 15 feet down after a nice stylish flip. Broke two ribs, and did some soft tissue damage to my upper back. Funny thing is the sciatica stopped bothering me right after the fall.

  • Comment 166, posted at 09.06.08 18:03:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 165) : hehehe, no missus here bryce…..but I must have pissed someone off. :lol:

  • Comment 167, posted at 09.06.08 18:03:43 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Jeez hectic… lucky it was only the ribs… although there is almost nothing worse than bung ribs… particularly trying to sleep…

  • Comment 168, posted at 09.06.08 18:07:56 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 168) : Sleep has not been much of an option for me the past few days. It is getting a little better now though.

  • Comment 169, posted at 09.06.08 18:10:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 166) : ouch dude. Hope you feel better soon.

    OK, I’m off for my run.

    Laters peeps

  • Comment 170, posted at 09.06.08 18:27:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • Man you guys have been busy today.

    So have I. :sad: Except mine was REAL work :wink:

    Nice hot and dusty day :oops:

  • Comment 171, posted at 09.06.08 18:43:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Wow, more handbags here than at a Foschini sale. :wink:

    KSA, you wanna fight about something? I’m feeling left out, so I will break my rule about fighting with the elderly and frail of mind…

  • Comment 172, posted at 09.06.08 19:03:27 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Let me just get tanked up first then we can start a new round. :wink: :lol:

  • Comment 173, posted at 09.06.08 19:24:51 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • Ye Gods! Your avatar looks like KSA in about 10 years!

    The KSA Code – wonder what that would be like.

  • Comment 174, posted at 09.06.08 19:29:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 174) : I bet ‘KSA code the movie’ will have plenty of music from ABBA and sexual innuendo. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 175, posted at 09.06.08 19:32:49 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • Me frail?

    Have you seen the size of me? You skinny GIT.

    Nah, it’s okay, i don’t feel like picking fights tonight. :roll:

  • Comment 176, posted at 09.06.08 19:34:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Hey WTF?

    Is it pick on me day?

    I am probably bigger than both of you and have a LOT more weight to throw around.

    Ones a wannabe CT man and the other supports the Stormers. You guys should get “together” :wink:

  • Comment 177, posted at 09.06.08 19:36:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Abba and Ge Korsten! :grin:

    Thanks KSA, its been about 10 years and 20kg since someone called me skinny!

    Chat again in 90 minutes or so – if anybody is around.

  • Comment 178, posted at 09.06.08 19:36:46 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Am i gonna be the protea or the Springbok.

    or is that meant to say i am gonna be the bokkie :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 179, posted at 09.06.08 19:38:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 178) :

    i should be hear, digging sand out of my hair and ears.

  • Comment 180, posted at 09.06.08 19:39:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 178) :

    I prefer john Denver. Listened to him on the Ipod on the way home this evening.

    Leaving oooon a jet plane, don’t know when i’ll be back again.

    Almost heaveeeen, West virginiaaaaa, blue ridge mountain……..

  • Comment 181, posted at 09.06.08 19:41:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • let me go get cleaned up. see ya’ll in a bit.

  • Comment 182, posted at 09.06.08 19:42:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 181) : Leaving on a jet plane almost always brings a tear to my eye.

  • Comment 183, posted at 09.06.08 19:44:39 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 180) : Been to the beach? :wink: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 184, posted at 09.06.08 19:45:20 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • Speaking of tennis. The Artois Champioships has started and there’s a Seff Efrican dude by name of Rik De Voest playing. Never heard of him.

  • Comment 185, posted at 09.06.08 19:47:01 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLBKOcUbHR0 :cry:

  • Comment 186, posted at 09.06.08 19:49:10 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 184) :

    Nah, sand storm of note today and i am busy working outside at the moment. :oops:

  • Comment 187, posted at 09.06.08 19:52:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 185) : I think he might have gone to Boys High

  • Comment 188, posted at 09.06.08 19:53:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 188) : Could be, says he’s from Pretoria.

  • Comment 189, posted at 09.06.08 19:56:10 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 189) :

    Must be a Bull then. Does he keep charging the net? :wink:

  • Comment 190, posted at 09.06.08 20:08:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 190) : keeps trying to bliksem the umpire ;)

  • Comment 191, posted at 09.06.08 20:13:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • ok, just found confirmation. De Voest matriculated at PBHS two years after I did. A year after the great John Smit.

  • Comment 192, posted at 09.06.08 20:17:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • Pinetown Boys High School? :wink:

  • Comment 193, posted at 09.06.08 20:25:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • De Voest is being de feated.

  • Comment 194, posted at 09.06.08 20:25:32 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 191) :

    next thing you know he is gonna tune the umpire……….
    FJ!!!!!! ELN!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 195, posted at 09.06.08 20:26:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Well he lost. 7-6 6-1 No wonder I’ve never heard of him.

  • Comment 196, posted at 09.06.08 20:37:37 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 196) :

    :smile:

  • Comment 197, posted at 09.06.08 20:42:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I don’t know why everyone is dissing Mujati. He was extremely impressive in the Super 14 and also for the Lions before joining Wee Pee/Stormers. I for one really rate him and considering he’s only a youngster, he can only improve with experience.

    Granted, he did get a bit of a working over on Saturday but not all the blame can be attributed to him as scrumming is a joint effort. In pure scrumming terms, BJ is our best TH by light years but Mujati is extremely promising and I’d like to see him persevered with.

  • Comment 198, posted at 09.06.08 21:29:45 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 198) : Or we could just play BJ at tighthead :-)

  • Comment 199, posted at 09.06.08 21:36:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • Mujati has talent, but he is not in the top 3 TH’s at the moment.

    That said, Beast was NOWHERE last season, and he has dusted some seasoned vets this season.

    If you have the natural strength and a willingness to learn, its amazing how quickly you can progress.

  • Comment 200, posted at 09.06.08 22:00:16 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 199) : He would always be my first choice and I think when it comes to Tri Nations time he will be. However it appears that PDV is trying to build some depth and provide opportunities prior to Tri Nations

  • Comment 201, posted at 09.06.08 22:03:49 by Villie Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 200) : BF, who would you put ahead of him in SA? Only BJ and Jannie in pure scrumming terms.

  • Comment 202, posted at 09.06.08 22:05:30 by Villie Reply
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  • BJ, Jannie DuP, and CJ, in that order.

    Additionally, Mujati’s only strength is his scrumming – he is not nearly as effective all-round as BJ or CJ.

    But like I said, he has potential to develop, and if this match was about exposure, then so be it.

  • Comment 203, posted at 09.06.08 22:17:51 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 203) : I like CJ far more at 1 than I do 3

  • Comment 204, posted at 09.06.08 22:23:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • Me too actually, but good TH’s are hard to come by.

    Caldo has faded a bit, and he was probably the most promising of the current crop.

    Young Pat seems to be destined for great things though.

  • Comment 205, posted at 09.06.08 22:38:11 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 205) : Calldo is apparently injured

  • Comment 206, posted at 09.06.08 22:42:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • Have you seen that we (Boks) have got Bryce Lawrence reffing one of our Tri Nations tests against the Aussies!! Yikes!! :mad: :mad:

  • Comment 207, posted at 09.06.08 23:05:16 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 207) :

    You are gonna be REALLY mad now. :wink:

    It isn’t one it is two and Lyndon Bray is doing the other one. :sad:

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2008/06/06/only-sanzar-refs-for-3n/

  • Comment 208, posted at 10.06.08 07:02:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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