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Guthro not doing it (prop)erly


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 11 Jun 2008 at 22:28

Brian Mujati or BJ Botha should partner CJ van der Linde and John Smit in the South African front row against Wales on Saturday, says former Springbok prop Robbie Kempson.

Stephen Nell writes in Die Burger that even though Mujati was criticised for his performance in the first Test last week, Kempson feels Gurthrö Steenkamp is the one who, judged on his form in Super 14 rugby this season, should not be in the SA team.

“Scrums are largely about combinations and last week was the first time that our front row played together,” Kempson said on Wednesday.

“A front row must play together in Test matches. Gurthrö’s form in the Super 14 was also not great.”

Kempson pointed out that Os du Randt’s retirement had left a large gap in the SA team.

“What worries me about Gurthrö is that he seems happy to keep up his side of the scrum and play with the ball. I don’t see him attacking the tighthead in the scrum.

“I’d have Beast Mtawarira on the bench because he showed in the Super 14 what he could do for the Sharks.

“Mujati did rather well last week, especially if one takes into account all the rubbish that was written about his father in the newspapers.

Intensity would have shocked Wales

“His immediate opponent, Gethin Jenkins, is one of the best loose-head props in world rugby,” Kempson said.

He expects the Springboks to do better in the scrums in Pretoria on Saturday, irrespective of which combination they field.

“They would have worked at their scrumming this week. Why they did not do so before the first Test no one knows. Wales have one of the best scrums in the world.

“It’s no good spending all your time on lineout work. Lineouts don’t win matches. The scrums, I believe, are the most important tight facet.

All in all, Kempson was impressed by the Springboks in their 43-17 victory last week.

However, he believes it would be wrong to expect a run-away victory at Loftus Versfeld.

“The Springboks were good but they should expect a more physical onslaught on Saturday.

“The SA loose forwards dominated the Welsh at breakdown points in Bloemfontein. The intensity with which they played would have shocked Wales.

“Now the Welsh know what it means to be on tour in the southern hemisphere. They will try to pull themselves together.”

  • It seems, according to information received this week, that it is only a matter of time before Botha joins the Irish regional team Ulster.

Botha, who played in the World Cup tournament last year, is one of South Africa’s most experienced prop forwards. He is contracted to the Sharks until the end of this year and is likely to move to Ulster immediately afterwards.

Western Province eighthman Robbie Diack has already signed a three-year contract with Ulster and intends qualifying to play for Ireland.

Diack was second choice to Luke Watson at the Stormers and the national selectors favour Pierre Spies, Ryan Kankowski and Duanne Vermeulen.



64 Comments

  • So Diack is leaving CT.

    Now we can sign Duanne Vermeulen. Good times!!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.06.08 06:54:16 by wpw Reply
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  • Seeing as this thread is about props, I’m not going to say anything out of fear of being made a biaatch by Dancing Bear. :roll:

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.06.08 06:55:23 by wpw Reply
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  • Jaco Kempson…

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.06.08 07:44:48 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • And yet he played how many games for the Sharks?

    Hey Matilda? :wink:

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.06.08 07:46:16 by wpw Reply
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  • Waltzing Matilda… waltzing Matilda… we go a ….

    Come on bryce… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.06.08 07:46:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 4) :

    Hardly means he makes an apt commentator (sic) particularly with Jaco Van De Western Province blinkers on…

    Fancy judging Gurthro on his S14 performance (when last did WP beat the Bulls again) when he’d come back from a very long ‘injury’ lay off… and not on his recent Bok performance in which he was solid in the scrums and great in the loose…

    Yet Jaco Kempson wants Mujati (who is nowhere in the loose) and an off day in the scrums to be afforded another shot… IMO they both need another game particularly Gurthro, as he’ll be playing in the 3N… Mujati won’t…

    Beast can have a run against the Itals…

    Wouldn’t have this problem if our actual ‘A’ side were honing their depth against decent opponents a-la Aus and NZ… rather than their current ‘Emerging-gemors’…

    Fools fools everywhere and absolutely no accountability to pair…

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.06.08 08:36:08 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Once again, I’d prefer to believe someone who actually PLAYED the game at test level than someone who didn’t.

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.06.08 08:39:30 by wpw Reply
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  • You Jaco’s ‘believe’…

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.06.08 08:52:55 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • SO the WP bias extends to:

    PDV
    Gert Smal
    Mark Keohane
    Robbie Kempson

    Is there anyone else you’d like to add Matilda?

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.06.08 08:56:16 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) :
    So why do you subject us to your opinion then? You obviously never played the game at Test level. So why does your opinion matter to anybody?

    By your own logic, you should just read what Test players have to say and not read or post on any blogs.

    Oh, and PDV also never played at Test level, and neither did Jake White – the WC-winning coach.

    Flawed logic there poskantoor.

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.06.08 09:04:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Toks van der Linde,
    Mathew Pierce.

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.06.08 09:15:14 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Errol Tobias
    Dale Granger
    Rob Otto

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.06.08 09:17:21 by wpw Reply
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  • Anyway I dont think it is the place of a commentator to air his views on selections in the press. He is meant to offer and unbiased report of the game in progress in which the same players he is now discussing are playing. Not good.

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.06.08 09:18:24 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Rob Otto, thats a new one, he propbably writes for the Son.

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.06.08 09:20:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 12) : hey!

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.06.08 09:20:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 14) : asshole of note… trust me, I know him!

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.06.08 09:20:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 9) :

    JAco Kempson would not even know how many S14 games Gurthro has played since being injured last August… do you?

    Mark Keohane surprisingly writes quite balance pieces these days… did you read his latest about accommodating Steyn in the Boks 22?

    Can’t say I’ve read much from Gert Smal lately…

    Jaco De Villiers… yep he likes ‘pretty’ rugby…

    And yes I still maintain the once seemingly ‘blinkered’ Bull’s fans how definitely been surpassed by the WP fan’s… all reasoning gone emulating Jaco’s dribbling and glazed look whilst swinging off crossbar’s… it’s astounding… one could swear they have actually seen their team avenge their yearly Bulls massacre this season… or perhaps even made the final four for once in the S14?

    I dunno… Jaco’s everywhere :wink:

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.06.08 09:21:14 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • You sound really bitter bryce. :???:

    Must be due to your team not winning anything since 1996.

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.06.08 09:28:42 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 18) :
    75-14
    :twisted:

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.06.08 09:32:49 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 17) : I know someone that you would get on with very well! ;)

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.06.08 09:43:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) :

    Lol… does he frequent this site?@wpw (Comment 18) :

    Grounded… not bitter… like most Shark’s fans… when you’re South Africa’s most consistent team in the world’s toughest competition… the fan’s are somewhat… grounded and most definitely knowledgeable… :lol:

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.06.08 09:53:25 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • WP 32 CC titles

    Natal (Sharks) 4 CC titles

    How long were you in the Currie Cup B section???

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.06.08 09:56:15 by wpw Reply
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  • Currie Cup… lol… nuff said…

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.06.08 10:05:41 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • As a long suffering Natal fan I was always of the opinion that just one win in our centenary year, at Loftus, would have been enough. Of course when a few more came I did not complain and started liking the idea of winning more titles.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.06.08 10:06:24 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 21) : he has registered here, but tends to post elsewhere. The tone of his posts is quite similar, though…

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.06.08 10:08:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • So you not interested in winning the CC then Bryce?

    Yeah right!

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.06.08 10:12:57 by wpw Reply
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  • Salmonoid

    Was that when you just got promotion from the B Section?

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.06.08 10:14:03 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 27) :
    Yes, but remember that while playing in the B section Natal played the mighty Western Province at Newlands in a Currie Cup final after having destroyed OFS the weekend before in a semi final. Province went on to win a very close game.
    Interestingly so sure were the WP (having topped the A section) that they were going to play Orange Free State in the final that they already had the tickets and programmes printed with their (OFS) detail. They had to reprint everything at great expense. I think this is where their financial woes started. :evil:

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.06.08 10:26:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Attention pack. Regroup. We’re not going to win an arguement based on historical results. Rather focus on the present

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.06.08 10:29:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 27) :
    Also the more successful ones team has been the more glaring and hurtful are their poor results in recent memory. Of course we all want to win but after having won 32 CC’s already you must surely be wondering if the glory days will ever return. Sharks fans fortuneately dont have the same pressures. :wink:

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.06.08 10:33:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • At least we don’t remove the names of previous CC winners from the trophy. :shock:

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.06.08 10:45:25 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 31) : we just figured that in order to have your name on that trophy, you need to have at least qualified ONCE for the Super Rugby semis. That’s why we took Free State’s name off ;)

    breadcrumbs….

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.06.08 10:47:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • #29 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.06.08 10:51:52 by wpw Reply
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  • lmao

    Good one Rob…

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.06.08 10:52:48 by wpw Reply
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  • Ok…looks like our friendship is already shaky… :lol:

    Yeah…you’re right Rob…let’s stay away from the archives…

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.06.08 10:58:50 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 34) : shhh… I’m hunting waBBits…

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.06.08 11:11:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : :lol:

    Your chances of catching something lOOk very promising

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.06.08 11:18:24 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 37) : doesn’t take you long to catch on, does it? ;)

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.06.08 11:21:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • This still going… lol @ Wes…

    Give us a clue Rob…

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.06.08 11:49:09 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • :roll:

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.06.08 11:50:40 by wpw Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 39) : oh come on… you’ve seen his rants?

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.06.08 12:09:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • If he’s from RW… then it could be someone else in Aus or someone on their way there perhaps… if he’s from Voldermort, I wouldn’t have a clue… my rants could resemble any of the hundreds of nutbags there… lol!

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.06.08 12:16:17 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 42) : no – someone who likes to rant at how WP supporters are taking over the world ;)

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.06.08 12:38:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : LOL… that discounts the above mentioned then… I think I know…

    I’ll tone it down then… :wink:

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.06.08 12:43:32 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • bryce

    for clues, hav a lOOk at posts #36 & #37

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.06.08 12:52:23 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 45) :

    Doh… I thought it was someone else again… in that case it’s an hOnOur…

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.06.08 13:02:54 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • “What worries me about Gurthrö is that he seems happy to keep up his side of the scrum and play with the ball. I don’t see him attacking the tighthead in the scrum.” – Damn those words look familiar…..I wonder who else has been saying this??? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.06.08 14:02:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Clearly Robbie Kempson is a genius when analyzing looseheads, but doesn’t know jack about tightheads. :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.06.08 14:03:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 45) : you are also wrong. I’m thinking of the person who ends up being shiny turquoise if you mix all the colours together.

  • Comment 49, posted at 12.06.08 14:05:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 47) : All hail the dancing bear!We still haven’t completed a trade from years ago.

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.06.08 14:05:07 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 50) : Believe it or not I still have three bottles of Banana Rum for you Claytie, never opened. I should send them shouldn’t I? Yikes sorry mate.

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.06.08 14:10:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 48) : funny that one of his best performances EVER was at tighthead. Anyone remember his debut game for Natal?

  • Comment 52, posted at 12.06.08 14:17:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 51) : DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE!!!!!!!

  • Comment 53, posted at 12.06.08 14:18:10 by PJLD Reply
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  • Honestly though, I don’t understand why Gurthro is not more aggressive in the scrums. He is an aggressive player around the pitch, so I don’t think he is a passive guy. I have always said he is really strong, and that is why he gets away with holding up the tighthead. Surely if someone were to work with him on scrummaging techniques he would improve. With his size and strength, he could easily become a world class loosehead (assuming he can learn the scrummaging techniques). On the other hand Beast has learned in only 3 years to become a very good scrummager. He too is big and strong, but is more aggressive in the scrums, and attacks the opposing tighthead in the scrums. He has learned the techniques, and I believe it was Balie Swart that has worked with him. It sounds like Balie needs to work with Gurthro on his scrumming. A Gurthro that can scrum with Beast off the Bench would be a scary combination for SA.

  • Comment 54, posted at 12.06.08 14:19:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : I was being facetious Rob….:wink:

    Look my issue with then starting Mujati last week was that it does him a disservice. That performance can not be good for his confidence. Mujati too has all kinds of potential, but is simply not yet ready for the big stage. He too needs to have a top notch tighthead work with him on his scrummaging technique and strategy. It would not necessarily surprise me to see a Mujati/Beast combination at the next RWC, but Mujati needs work and game time. With more CC game time, and scrum coaching, he may be ready in a year or two.

  • Comment 55, posted at 12.06.08 14:23:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Did Balie not also work with the Bokke prior to the WC?Think Steenkamp missed that because he got too cozy with his biltong knife.

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.06.08 14:24:02 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 56) : hehehe good point. Is your addy the same as it was years ago or do you need to send me a new address?

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.06.08 14:26:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) : but do you remember the match in question? Back in 94… his opponent that day was a 141kg policeman from Pretoria called Johann Nel

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.06.08 14:28:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) : Unfortunately no, it was really difficult getting any sort of video coverage of rugby in the US back then, no broadband streaming etc. I stayed in touch with text updates from friends via e-mail.

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.06.08 14:31:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 57) : if i remember correctly the one we used had something to do with exploring.its no longer in use, use provincejoulekkading at sharksworld dot co dot za and we can take it from there.

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.06.08 14:33:17 by PJLD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 59) : well, Little Kempson came in and so comprehensively stuffed that blue monster in the scrums that he was replaced just after halftime. He never played for the Morons again.

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.06.08 14:36:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 60) : Will do…..

  • Comment 62, posted at 12.06.08 14:50:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 61) : hehehe short tightheads are good.

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.06.08 14:50:32 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 63) : man, I’m in the mood for some rugger!

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