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Sharks duo to shore up Bok scrum


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 12 Jun 2008 at 13:12
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Sharks props Beast Mtawarira and BJ Botha have been named in the Springbok team to take on Wales at Loftus this weekend.

The side shows three changes up front, as Victor Matfield also comes in for Andries Bekker. Ricky Januarie comes straight in at scrumhalf in the only change to the back division that played last week.

A number of players will get opportunities off the bench this week. Ryan Kankowski is the loose forward replacement, while Frans Steyn comes in at the expense of Peter Grant in the 21 jersey.

Here is the full team:

15. Conrad JANTJES
14. Tonderai CHAVHANGA
13. Adrian JACOBS
12. Jean DE VILLIERS
11. Bryan HABANA
10. Butch JAMES
9. Ricky JANUARIE
8. Pierre SPIES
7. Juan SMITH
6. Luke WATSON
5. Victor MATFIELD
4. Bakkies BOTHA
3. BJ BOTHA
2. John SMIT (capt)
1. Tendai MTAWARIRA

16. Bismarck DU PLESSIS
17. Gurthrö STEENKAMP
18. Andries BEKKER
19. Ryan KANKOWSKI
20. Bolla CONRADIE
21. Francois STEYN
22. Percy MONTGOMERY



102 Comments

  • BOKKE

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.06.08 13:15:59 by PJLD Reply
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  • I reckon the entire bench will be on the field by the 63rd minute

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.06.08 13:16:44 by PJLD Reply
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  • Jirre tog, I carent believe they dropped Mujati. :roll:

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.06.08 13:17:16 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • Hey but im smaaking the way our bench looks these days, yoh yoh yoh.

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.06.08 13:18:02 by PJLD Reply
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  • Happy with the tight 5.

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.06.08 13:18:03 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • This is a VERY good team.

    Glad that Beast is there and also BJ.

    Would’ve prefered Kanko at 8 and maybe Percy at 15.

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.06.08 13:18:31 by wpw Reply
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  • nice team this…

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.06.08 13:19:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • This is a squad and a half… can’t believe we’re only playing Wales :roll:

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.06.08 13:21:06 by blackshark Reply

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  • Should it be Sharks trio to shore up Bok scrum???

    Beast
    Smit
    BJ

    :roll:

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.06.08 13:21:21 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 9) : We don’t wanna jinx it…

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.06.08 13:25:48 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 9) : Nope, Smit was there last week already

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.06.08 13:26:00 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 11) : yes – that’s why I went with Duo!

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.06.08 13:27:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • We gonna take the TN this year!!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.06.08 13:28:15 by wpw Reply
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  • #12

    Its always about the Sharks innit it? :roll:

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.06.08 13:29:15 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : Hence the name ” Sharksworld”… :lol:

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.06.08 13:32:14 by blackshark Reply

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  • Only thing is expecting BJ to play the entire 80 mins… bit risky… don’t really want Smittie covering that side?

    Otherwise good 22 and boy what a bench… we gots-a-somma depth this year and Mossie and Schalla aren’t back yet…

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.06.08 13:35:56 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 15) : You tell them BS!! How are you??

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.06.08 13:36:10 by Me2 Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 16) : Neither is Deon :sad:

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.06.08 13:37:41 by Me2 Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : Slow on the uptake as ever :)

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.06.08 13:38:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 18) : the list gets longer… gives credence to having a proper ‘A’ side playing real opposition…

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.06.08 13:40:54 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • I like the look of the team and the bench must be one of the best around

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.06.08 13:53:54 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 21) : you’ve shrunk! ;)

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.06.08 13:57:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • FDP anyone?
    Heinke (when he decides to do more than just scrum)
    Jannie Dup
    JPP

    Bok rugby has never been as strong…

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.06.08 14:03:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : The trout looks bigger when photographed next to my 19 month old daugther…. She way better looking than me anyway..

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.06.08 14:10:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 3) :

    A little shocked by that as well. Was expecting MAYBE him being dropped to the bench, but he is GONE :shock:

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.06.08 14:15:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Excellent squad very pleased to see Kanko and Steyn on the bench.

    On a other note Robd please can we get rid of the smiley with the rolling eyes it frickin irritates me..a very condesending smiley I smaak it buggerall. :mad:

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.06.08 14:20:51 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • so tempted

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.06.08 14:24:46 by PJLD Reply
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  • reckon cj and ruan should be on the bench in place of guthro and bolla, but still a damn fine team. i agree with wpw, we have not looked this strong in every position since i can remember.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.06.08 14:26:09 by knersboy Reply

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  • hey csb, how is den haag mate? watching in kangaroos this weekend?

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.06.08 14:26:32 by knersboy Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 26) : I’m not really much of a smiley person at all, but others seem to like em. Hell, one site I know of, all they every seem to do is post smileys. Usually the one that has dog poo in it.

    Lowest common denominator humour ;)

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.06.08 14:27:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hi all.

    Would have liked Ryan to start this week. Much happier with Beast and BJ. Feel sorry for Ruan though to be dropped completely.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.06.08 14:27:44 by Nessa Reply

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  • Well done PDV. At least we can see some foresight in his squad.

    The biggest weakness last week was the scrumming and he’s addressed that this weak. Matfield comes in on his home ground…another sensible decision.

    Then bringing Kanko and Steyn on the bench is another very wise choice. This squad gets my approval.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.06.08 14:28:25 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 32) : yeah – would’ve liked Kanko to start… other than that, no real complaints from my side. Wales are gonna KAK

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.06.08 14:29:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Nessa (Comment 31) : Hi Ness

    Consider it “rotated”..rather than dropped! :razz:

    He will be back for Tri Nations!

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.06.08 14:29:42 by Villie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : Joke of the day!

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.06.08 14:30:46 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :
    Spies is one heck of a player…just a pity that both he and Kanko play 8. Either could do damage off the bench, so I don’t have a problem which one starts!

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.06.08 14:31:20 by Villie Reply
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  • @knersboy (Comment 29) :

    Hey Kners,

    I replyed to ya the other day on the thread dunno if you got to read it. I’m no longer in Holland and the roos is long gone too now.its called Nelsons..
    Howz CT treating you?

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.06.08 14:31:29 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 34) : Or…rotated now to be dropped in future…

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.06.08 14:33:33 by blackshark Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 37) : I don’t like to think that you’re not just over the ditch from me anymore :(

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.06.08 14:34:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 34) :

    Just worried that they are going to ruin Ruan altogether.

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.06.08 14:34:28 by Nessa Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 36) :

    Yes, but if we are taking turns here, then it is Ryan’s turn! :grin:

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.06.08 14:35:00 by Nessa Reply

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  • @Nessa (Comment 41) : Ryan will get his turn, of that there is no doubt.

    Spies needs the game time and his form is picking up. He’s almost unstoppable when at his best!

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.06.08 14:38:22 by Villie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) :

    I’m working on that one..hoping to be back by end of the year doing my dream job..Its taking a bit of time though.

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.06.08 14:38:25 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • Steyn told PDV that he would prefer to play flyhalf… :roll:

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.06.08 14:41:05 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 44) : have you seen who’s playing 13?

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.06.08 14:42:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) :

    No – who???? :wink:

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.06.08 14:44:16 by Nessa Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 44) :

    Hello Charlie.

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.06.08 14:44:50 by Nessa Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 43) : Is that like at Dubai 7′s when KSA gets to do his dream job? :neutral:

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.06.08 14:47:35 by PJLD Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 43) : dream job?

  • Comment 49, posted at 12.06.08 14:49:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) :

    My dream job would be having no job at all!

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.06.08 14:50:01 by Nessa Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 44) :

    The nerve of the lad..serious though perhaps its a good thing that he spoke up and requested this at the risk of him being shunted around constantly.

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.06.08 14:53:04 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @PJLD (Comment 48) :

    That would be nice!

    @robdylan (Comment 49) :

    A certain unit within the UN that I’v been trying to crack for sometime but its been a little difficult but there is now a bit of light at th end of that tunnel.

    @Nessa (Comment 50) :

    That would be a wee bit boring for me.

    I’m off to select all the Lions players for my fanasty league :cool:

  • Comment 52, posted at 12.06.08 14:57:41 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 37) : i missed it the other day, u know how it goes. still good here in stellies, looking to move though, tired of university salary. probably leave end of year, looks like richards bay at the moment, but quite a few options open so i will see.

    and you, where are you now?

  • Comment 53, posted at 12.06.08 14:59:00 by knersboy Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 52) : I’ll hold thumbs. Let me know if you need a word in someone’s ear ;)

  • Comment 54, posted at 12.06.08 14:59:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hallo Everybody… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.06.08 15:04:02 by Charlie Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 55) : Good times

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.06.08 15:04:32 by PJLD Reply
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  • @Nessa (Comment 40) : Hi Nessa. As much as I like Ruan, he will just have to play his way back into the team. frankly Bolla was better than Ruan last week. As I said previously, Ruan seems slow and indecisive and doesn’t deserve to be there at the moment.

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.06.08 15:04:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 58) : agree.

    @Charlie (Comment 56) : stiekuit masse kjend

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.06.08 15:06:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • iraq, jeez dude. will mail u now so u have my mail address, then when u r here we should really hook up, it will be great!

    okay, back to work, got some stuff i need to get finished.

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.06.08 15:06:51 by knersboy Reply

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  • Man its just dawned on me but Bok rugby is in a frickin good state..when have we had so many talented players to pick from.This should by all accounts be a extremely good year..can’t wait for the Tri-Nations.

    Is there a test being played at Newlands and if so when?
    Have not been to a game there in over 10 years.

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.06.08 15:12:22 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 58) :

    I am with you there Pokkel – my worry is that Ruan hasn’t really shone since Jake had him warming the bench for the Bokke at the WC. It is switching him from scrummie to fullback to flyhalf that worries me.

  • Comment 62, posted at 12.06.08 15:15:48 by Nessa Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 61) : next weekend. Against Italy ;)

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.06.08 15:15:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 61) :

    There is one on 16 August. SA vs NZ.

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.06.08 15:17:35 by Nessa Reply

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  • Yes Yes Yes…

    I like the changes…happy to see that Ricky is starting after the talkks that “Bolla did enough”…yeh right…

    Victor did much better that Bekker when he came on…the way Victor just slaps the ball off the top straight into the scrummies hand every signle time…

    Good to see the right Zim prop in tha game…our scrums should do a lot better…
    Who is the prop that can slot in on both sides? You all made it clear last week that Guthro cannot…so if Beast gets injured we are screwed….unless that will be Smit!???!??! Hope not….

    Good to see Steyn and Kanko on the bench….hope Kanko gets a run…

  • Comment 65, posted at 12.06.08 15:17:41 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 25) :

    KSA did you see you been caughted uped….

  • Comment 66, posted at 12.06.08 15:21:02 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Nessa (Comment 64) :

    Thanx Nessa thats the one I’ll target to go and watch whilst over there..PJLD,wpw, Kners you guys up for it..?

  • Comment 67, posted at 12.06.08 15:29:22 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Nessa (Comment 62) : IMO Ruan should go play flyhalf for EVERY game in the Currie Cup and we will have a world class flyhalf come next years Super 14 and perhaps for the boks

  • Comment 68, posted at 12.06.08 15:31:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 3) :

    Ha-Ha…
    Actually I think that PdV pulled a Chevange-JakeWhite on Mujati….LoL

  • Comment 69, posted at 12.06.08 15:32:00 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 68) :

    That’s my point exactly – if you aren’t going to play him – rather release him to play CC. It isn’t doing his form any good sitting on the bench.

  • Comment 70, posted at 12.06.08 15:32:57 by Nessa Reply

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  • Apart from the fact that Ruan has been shunted around, I also believe that he has been over coached. Before Jake White he had such vision and he was unpredictable. Certain players including Frans shouldn’t have their talents coached out of them… I would go as far as saying that if they tought to think to much they loose their brilliance

  • Comment 71, posted at 12.06.08 15:35:01 by Pokkel Reply
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    @Charlie (Comment 56) : stiekuit masse kjend
    Comment 59, posted at 12.06.08 15:06:05 by robdylan

    :shock: :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 72, posted at 12.06.08 15:36:17 by wpw Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 67) :

    It’s a pleasure. Wish I could join you guys.

  • Comment 73, posted at 12.06.08 15:39:41 by Nessa Reply

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  • Ruan was never ever consistent throughout an entire season.

    He disappears at times in most of the games I’ve seen him play.

  • Comment 74, posted at 12.06.08 15:41:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 74) :

    I disagree with you there. Prior to the WC he was playing consistently well for the Sharks.

  • Comment 75, posted at 12.06.08 15:44:42 by Nessa Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 72) : didn’t you know I’m part cullit?

  • Comment 76, posted at 12.06.08 15:46:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 74) :

    Yes cozz he does not play for WP/Stormers…..we know!???!

  • Comment 77, posted at 12.06.08 15:47:28 by Hmmm Reply

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  • ruan is confused

  • Comment 78, posted at 12.06.08 15:53:50 by blackshark Reply

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  • lol Rob #76

    Well in that case check your mail…

  • Comment 79, posted at 12.06.08 16:27:52 by wpw Reply
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  • Hmmm

    I’ve been meaning to ask you for the footage of the 20 times Mujati was scrummed back in the game you mentioned on Tuesday…

  • Comment 80, posted at 12.06.08 16:30:57 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 79) : duidelik, mei bru

  • Comment 81, posted at 12.06.08 16:41:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • very good team….bit f a problem at tighthead if BJ gets injured ….should have had CJ on the bench

  • Comment 82, posted at 12.06.08 16:42:29 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 82) : but Smit can play tight head…

    :roll:

  • Comment 83, posted at 12.06.08 16:46:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • Gee Rob don’t know why that slipped my mind…good suggestion ;-)

  • Comment 84, posted at 12.06.08 16:52:01 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 84) : I’ll do the thinking around here ;)

  • Comment 85, posted at 12.06.08 17:03:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • Peter Grant, Danie Rossouw, CJ van der Linde and Ruan Pienaar don’t make the 22.
    Ryan Kankowski e Franswa Steyn only in the bench.
    These SNORBOKS are not my beloved XV.

  • Comment 86, posted at 12.06.08 18:08:35 by H.O. Reply

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  • HO!!!!!!!!!

    How are you?

    Seeing you reminds me that I owe you an email. :oops:

    I am away from home for a while and am then going on vacation to South Africa. Am dissappointed because it means i will miss the springbok Saga series AND also not be able to record it because neither myself or Kette will be there to set the recorder. :sad:

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.06.08 18:19:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 87) :

    Okay didn’t mean to be cryptic to those not in the know.

    On June 25, Supersport will broadcast the first of 13 episodes on the history of the Boks entitled “Springbok Saga”, it will cover the “Saga” from 1995 until 2007 RWC.

    Should be DAMN good to watch, but I will unfortunately miss most of them :evil:

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.06.08 18:27:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Would make for a Nice DVD set though.

    C’mon SARU what you say? get it out on DVD as soon as the last episode has been screened?

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.06.08 18:28:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 88) : when are they being shown KSA ?

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.06.08 18:32:48 by KSA Sharkette Reply

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  • @H.O. (Comment 86) : How on Earth are you keeping, old devil? :-)

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.06.08 18:38:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Sharkette (Comment 90) :

    I am not sure.

    Let me go and check

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.06.08 18:40:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 92) :

    Well it turns out someone at Superrugby has don’t their job.

    The Schedule says there is no Rugby broadcast scheduled for the next 14 days. :shock:

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.06.08 18:47:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I just want to throw this out, and is no criticism of the players selected in the 22, but, I think that CJ is a better bet for the bench than Gurthro. I think it is important to have 2 of the three props to be able to play tighthead, if anything happens to BJ, especially early on, we could be in trouble. I think the same thing goes for Kanko to a lesser degree, perhaps Danie is a better bet for the bench because he does cover more positions albeit less effectively. In the same vein, perhaps Ruan is a better bet on the bench than Bolla simply because he covers more positions.

    I have actually been thinking a lot lately about selecting match day 22s. Perhaps it is not always best to just select the next best player for the bench. In other words, maybe it is a better idea to have a Schalk Brits coming off the bench at hooker than Bissie who would be more effective starting than off the bench. I could write a lot more on it, but now is not the time or place.

  • Comment 94, posted at 13.06.08 07:53:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • DB

    Does it not make sense to select a player who specializes in the position for which he is on the bench?

    Steyn can cover 10/12/13 and even 15. Jantjes can play on the wing if a winger gets injured and Percy can play at 13 or 15 or even 10.

    We dont need Ruan on the bench. Especially with the form he is currently in.

  • Comment 95, posted at 13.06.08 08:05:22 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 95) : Good point…we do have sufficient cover without him. Just been thinking that now with tactical substitutions, perhaps the bench should be something other than players that are 2nd best in their position. Does that make sense?

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  • Just thinking that a hooker like Brits, Burden, Kuun, etc, are better playing off the bench, with a big hooker like Liebenberg, Smit, Bissie, etc. starting and softening up the opposition. Then the smaller fast guy comes on with 25 minutes to go and runs them ragged.

    What about my comment that perhaps Kanko should probably not be on the bench (I think he should start), rather a more versatile player like Danie, P3, Watson (plays 8 or flank), etc. Just something I have been thinking about. Same thing with the backs, where players like Ruan, Steyn and Monty who can play many positions effectively and can really make things happen when they come on.

  • Comment 97, posted at 13.06.08 08:12:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I suppose I am looking at this more theoretically, more philosophy of selecting a match day 22. This has changed so much in the last 10 – 15 years.

  • Comment 98, posted at 13.06.08 08:13:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Eish, tough one.

    For example, will you select Danie instead of Johan Muller just cos he can cover both lock and flank? :?:

  • Comment 99, posted at 13.06.08 08:29:07 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 95) : It has generally been the philosophy to select a player who specializes as backup on the bench, but I think that comes from the day when replacements were only for injury, whereas with tactical substitutions, perhaps one should consider having “bench specialists”. Brent Russell was another example.

  • Comment 100, posted at 13.06.08 08:30:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 99) : Right, or when Schalk comes back, keep Watson on the bench instead of Kanko because he covers all three loose forward positions. I am just starting to believe that one should consider 1 through 22 as individual positions, e.g. 16 is light quick hooker, 17 is prop that can play both sides, 18 is utility 2nd row/loosie, 19 is utility loosie, 20 scrumhalf but can also cover wing or 10, 21 backline utility, 22 backline utility. I can see guys making careers on the bench perhaps.

  • Comment 101, posted at 13.06.08 08:34:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Perhaps Schalk Brits would be a better 16 for the Boks than Bissie, though when Smit is not available, Bissie would step in, not Brits who would specialize at 16.

  • Comment 102, posted at 13.06.08 08:36:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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