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Deysel, Cilliers out as Sharks name strong team


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 18 Jun 2008 at 10:32

Sharks coach John Plumtree has already changed one aspect since taking over from Dick Muir. He names his teams early and doesn’t mess around with meaningless subterfuge.

The Sharks side to face Western Province in their Currie Cup opener on Friday night has been named. The team contains 7 Springboks in the run-on side with an eighth on the bench. Loose forward Jean Deysel, injured in last weekend’s warm-up match against the Griffons, has not been included.

Steven Sykes will again play at blindside flank, leaving young Alistair Hargreaves to partner skipper Johann Muller in the second row. The front row of Deon Carstens, Craig Burden and Jannie du Plessis picks itself, but one would expect to see Pat Cilliers as the reserve prop. Robbie Harris, though, has been named in the number 17 jersey, making one wonder whether Cilliers isn’t perhaps carrying an injury. Skipper Badenhorst and Albert van den Berg are the other tight forward replacements.

Jacques Botes has been named at number 8, with Keegan Daniel completing the loose trio. Look out for Wildebeest opensider Skollie Ndlovu, who has been named as the loose forward replacement.

The back division has an experienced look to it, with Rory Kockott and Brad Barritt the halfbacks. Andries Strauss partners Waylon Murray in the midfiield, while all three of the back three are Springboks: JP Pietersen, Henno Mentz and Stefan Terblanche. Scott Mathie has, somewhat surprisingly, been selected as the reserve scrumnhalf over Charl Macleod. Flyhalf Andrew Borgen and the exciting flyer Lwazi Mvovo are the other backline replacements.

Here is the complete side:

15 Stefan Terblanche, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Waylon Murray, 12 Andries Strauss, 11 Henno Mentz, 10 Bradley Barritt, 9 Rory Kockott, 8 Jacques Botes, 7 Steven Sykes, 6 Keegan Daniel, 5 Alistair Hargreaves, 4 Johann Muller (capt), 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Craig Burden, 1 Deon Carstens
16 Skipper Badenhorst, 17 Robbie Harris, 18 Albert van den Berg, 19 Skholiwe Ndlovu, 20 Scott Mathie, 21 Lwazi Mvovo, 22 Andrew Borgen



81 Comments

  • some baffling calls… Mathie must’ve had a hell of a game on Friday night. Also, we don’t have a single big, fast loosie in the mix. I’d have had someone like Blignaut or Potgieter (or even Thabo Mamojele ) on the bench in place of Skollie… only because we already have two similar players in the starting lineup.

    Keen to see Mvovo ge a run.

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.06.08 10:39:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • also not sure what the logic is in picking Al H ahead of Al vdB…

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.06.08 10:40:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : Epi :?: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.06.08 10:41:11 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : For the looks… :roll:

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.06.08 10:41:42 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 3) : Please! Don’t ever say that name here again! ;)

    @Charlie (Comment 4) : he has such lovely long eyebrows, doesn’t he?

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.06.08 10:53:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • I dunno… I think that’s a good side (even though not a fan of Botes and Keegan starting)… time for a few to step up… and also astounding to see a JP, Murray, AVDB, JDP and particularly Muller in the CC… but grateful!

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.06.08 11:22:51 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 6) : yeah… a good few guys getting an awesome chance to justify their pre-supposed greatness

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.06.08 11:28:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • http://youtube.com/watch?v=iUoihFoI1uQ

    Think we need this sort of a set-up for them (from 2minutes)…

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.06.08 11:36:45 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : And maybe we need to win this thing… :?:

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.06.08 11:38:58 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 9) : yes – would be good

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.06.08 11:48:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • Vodacom Western Province team: Gio Aplon, Wylie Human, Dylan des Fountain, PJ Vermeulen, Joe Pietersen, Willem de Waal, Alistair Siegelaar, AJ Venter, Francois Louw, Pieter Myburgh, Ross Skeate (captain), Adriaan Fondse, Brok Haris, Deon Fourie, Schalk Ferreira.

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.06.08 12:09:41 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • this isn’t going to be pretty :sad:

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.06.08 12:10:43 by molly Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 11) : most important thing there is that AJ is not the captain, but I’m not sure about Skeate :shock:

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.06.08 12:11:49 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 12) :

    But Molly I thought all the guys that played for WP were pretty? ;)

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.06.08 12:12:06 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 14) : They were, but now we’ve got AJ and Willem, the rate is going down a little. I’m just waiting for them to do a calendar like the french boys :lol:

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.06.08 12:19:01 by molly Reply
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  • If the Shark’s tight 5 cannot dominate and subdue the Streeptruie and force their loose forwards including AJ to get sucked in then we will not deserve to win.
    The Sharks have too much firepower in the front row to allow the Goats any go forward front foot ball. The primary ball that does come their way should be under pressure, slow and hard fought.
    There has not been a better opportunity for the Sharks to obliterate and annihilate this team from the fairest Cape and to silence their arrogant supporters ( at least for a while)

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.06.08 12:57:14 by Ragged Reply

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  • @Ragged (Comment 16) : Yeah, we’re so arrogant about our team at the moment, so arrogant that we’re all spelling doom and gloom for this game.

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.06.08 12:59:06 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 17) : anyone who read my article yesterday could well accuse us Sharks of being arrogant ;)

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.06.08 13:11:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • ‘obliterate and annihilate’ :lol: love it.

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.06.08 13:25:41 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • Ouch!

    Full Name Skholiwe
    Nick Name Skollie
    Surname Ndlovu
    Height 180cm
    Weight 90kg
    FLANK

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.06.08 13:42:40 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • What happened to all those plus 190cm 100kg flanks you were rattling off the other day Robbo?

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.06.08 13:44:11 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 21) : Justin Downey, Mike Rhodes, Jacques Potgieter, Thabo Mamojele…

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.06.08 13:46:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • Molly with respect to you, I have endured and been exposed to the continual provocation both on Keo and Superbru by some of your less erudite and circumspect fellow supporters.
    I would like nothing less than to see the Sharks put 50 points past the Goats. Finally silencing the PROVIIIIIIINCE and STOOOOOORMers shouting fanatics.
    Personally and this is only an opinion I do not believe that half of the current players involved in the Bok set up are there on merit. They are there only because WP rugby is the flavour of the month, so perhaps the WPRU will get what they deserve.
    To the victors go the spoils. To the vanquished ( fill in the blanks)
    Go Sharks!!

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.06.08 13:47:05 by Ragged Reply

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  • @Ragged (Comment 23) : have to agree with you about the rabble on Keo. I wouldn’t like to think that any of our WP supporters on this site are anyhere near as bad…

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.06.08 13:49:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : Are they that rubbish that we have to complement two small flanks with one even smaller…

    Borgan… any good… nice to see a Natalian coming back to the Sahrks after two seasons overseas… hopefully for the right reasons…

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.06.08 13:50:42 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 25) : I think Borgen might turn out to be ok… he’s leapfrogged a number of other guys.

    I can’t fathom the decision to pick Ndlovu… then again, Plum knows more than me.

    Probably

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.06.08 13:53:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ragged (Comment 23) :

    The Cape Mafia always try to control SA rugby.

    Be it journalists, coaches, Sports Science institute etc. They like to base everything down there.

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.06.08 13:53:31 by Villie Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 20) :

    Pretty much in the Keegan mould then.

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.06.08 13:54:03 by Villie Reply
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  • Haven’t they killed all the goats on Table Mountain?

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.06.08 13:54:08 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) : thats why we come here, I’m embarrassed by some of them. Please don’t put me in the same category.

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.06.08 13:54:30 by molly Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 27) :

    If Doc Craven used to be the Don…. who is now? ;)

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.06.08 13:54:54 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 29) :

    No the Sharks will be killing the stranglers on Friday….

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.06.08 13:56:16 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • I will never be silenced. :grin:

    PRROOOOOOOOOOOVIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNCCCEEEEE!!!

    Sorry couldn’t resist. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.06.08 13:56:39 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 31) : He not really dead. :wink:

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.06.08 13:57:13 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • Cape town is also home to the gay mafia. Same has ‘normal’ mafia. Just much better dress sense & their houses are much better decorated.

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.06.08 13:59:19 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 29) :
    Yep, shot between the eyeballs, Ta ta Tahr.

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.06.08 14:01:16 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 28) : even smaller than Keegan

  • Comment 37, posted at 18.06.08 14:01:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 30) : never. I’m sure ragged will learn that soon

  • Comment 38, posted at 18.06.08 14:02:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 35) :

    Yeah right ….better dress sense like that guy in your old picture

  • Comment 39, posted at 18.06.08 14:02:55 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 36) : Thought so. Plus they’re not even indigenous.

  • Comment 40, posted at 18.06.08 14:03:24 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 39) : Oh yeah…

  • Comment 41, posted at 18.06.08 14:04:14 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • I’m going to run riot if we do manage to sneak a win. :lol:

  • Comment 42, posted at 18.06.08 14:05:50 by molly Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 31) : Pagad

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.06.08 14:10:36 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 43) :

    That comment may be deemed unacceptable in terms of Rob’s constitution clause 17.3 …..

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.06.08 14:13:54 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 42) : won’t blame you if you do!

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.06.08 14:14:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 44) : it’s borderline ;)

  • Comment 46, posted at 18.06.08 14:14:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • sharks to win by 20 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.06.08 14:16:31 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 39) :
    Or itcould read ….like that old guy in your scrum. :wink:

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.06.08 14:16:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I might just break out the leathers again if we (WP) win.

    But I’m not all that optimistic.

  • Comment 49, posted at 18.06.08 14:16:48 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) :

    He is an Aussie import, they have a long history of being on the wrong side of the law ;)

  • Comment 50, posted at 18.06.08 14:16:58 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • pity about deysel

    barrit to tackle province into oblivian

  • Comment 51, posted at 18.06.08 14:17:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • What school did Borgen go to? Is he local lad? What age, tried to Google him but found nothing.
    Scott Spedding never made the jump, he showed glimpses but could not take the final step.

  • Comment 52, posted at 18.06.08 14:17:47 by Ragged Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 48) : :grin: :grin: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 18.06.08 14:19:25 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Only one Don in Cape Town these days – Badiah Chaban, a weird one but a don none the less.

  • Comment 54, posted at 18.06.08 14:20:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 42) : Not much chance of that Molly… well maybe about the same chance as England beating the AB’s and Italy pulling of a victory at Newlands!

  • Comment 55, posted at 18.06.08 14:21:12 by Ragged Reply

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  • @Ragged (Comment 52) : Kearnsey. He is now 22.

  • Comment 56, posted at 18.06.08 14:21:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ragged (Comment 55) :

    In fact Ragged is so confident that he is volunteering to take part naked in the the next Gay Parade in Cape Town in the Sharks lose…. ;)

  • Comment 57, posted at 18.06.08 14:24:14 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • borgen a local natal boy born n raised lol

  • Comment 58, posted at 18.06.08 14:25:07 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 57) : bwaaaa

  • Comment 59, posted at 18.06.08 14:26:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ill gladly accept a 1 point win if it spares us enduring the leather clad ra-cheltjie.

  • Comment 60, posted at 18.06.08 14:28:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • < Go Back
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    17 Jun 2008
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    WORLD Cup wing JP Pietersen has been released by the Springboks and will play for the Sharks in their Currie Cup opener against Western Province at King’s Park on Friday night.

    Pietersen was drafted into the Bok squad in the build-up to the second Test against Wales, but Bok coach Peter de Villiers has now sent him back to the Sharks.

    De Villiers ruffled feathers in Durban when he blamed Pietersen’s lack of form, and axing from the Bok starting line-up, on his poor conditioning with the Sharks.

    Plumtree said yesterday that there were a number of reasons why Pietersen struggled on the end of a disjointed Sharks backline.

    “He has played a lot of rugby without a break and our backs did not function as well as we expected.

    “He’ll be disappointed not to be in the Bok squad, but he now has the opportunity to show his capabilities on Friday night.”

    Plumtree said that he had one or two injury concerns ahead of the Currie Cup, with the damaged hand suffered by number eight Jean Deysel in the friendly against the Griffons on Friday night the most significant.

    “The hand is quite swollen at the moment, but we will know more in a day or two.
    “He has not been ruled out of the Province game yet.”

    Plumtree confirmed that Bok lock Johann Muller would captain the Sharks with Brad Barritt, who will start the Currie Cup at flyhalf until the return of Frederic Michalak, his deputy.

    The new Sharks coach said that AJ Venter, who has moved to Cape Town and will play against the Sharks on Friday, had taken “a lot of intellectual knowledge” with him.

    “But that’s part and parcel of professional rugby. But things change, I am always changing and the stuff he’s taken to Province is old stuff.

    “We’re looking at changing strategies and doing different things all the time.
    “If it works, the game will speed up,” he added.

    Plumtree confirmed that promising young prop Patric Cilliers, who returned for the Wildebeest in the Vodacom Cup recently, had suffered a setback and could be out for another four weeks.

    “We won’t rush him. We’ll be sure to condition him properly so he is ready for the Super 14,” he said.

    Plumtree indicated that he wanted to develop certain players for the Super 14 next year and the loss of a number of players to the Boks provided openings.

    “But you have got to be careful with rotation and you won’t see wholesale changes.
    “We want to play an entertaining style of rugby, but we also want players to improve in their decision-making and option-taking.

    “That comes when encouraged to play with continuity.”
    The Sharks coach said that the possibility of Bok captain John Smit returning to the Sharks was “looking positive.”

    “We definitely don’t want to lose a guy like that to another province.
    “Everyone knows what he brings to the team.”
    Friday’s match kicks off at 7.00pm.

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  • that will help answer some of the questions me and you had ROB :mrgreen:

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  • pity about patrick being injured again

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 63) : yeah – bummer

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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : Cheers Rob, Must have been the same year as Brad. Thinking back now I vaguely remember.Flyhalf. which leads me to ask what has happened to a Westville boy who played with Waylon; Chris Mickelwood played SA schools in 2004.

  • Comment 65, posted at 18.06.08 14:39:30 by Ragged Reply

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  • @Ragged (Comment 65) : He was a year after Brad, methinks.

    Micklewood seems to have gone overseas. Either France or Italy.

    You planning on entering our Fantasy League competition, by the way?

  • Comment 66, posted at 18.06.08 14:41:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 57) : Hell what the heck in for penny in for a pound.
    But I must be careful who I can ask to be my backstop!

  • Comment 67, posted at 18.06.08 14:42:55 by Ragged Reply

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  • @Ragged (Comment 67) : we have a picture gallery, just in case ;)

  • Comment 68, posted at 18.06.08 14:44:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ragged (Comment 67) :

    That’s pretty sporting of you mate….I’m sure Rachel will especially come over to SA to lend any support he can ;)

  • Comment 69, posted at 18.06.08 14:48:27 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : He played in the same match as Brad and Waylon in 2004 where Westville beat Kearsney at KHS in a thriller. Chris scored all WBHS points.. think the score was 12-10.
    He was at the Academy 2 years ago and thought he would go all the way.
    Forgive my ignorance here but how do you join this Fantasy League competition? I am a bit of a IT fossil… technically challenged, so to speak.

  • Comment 70, posted at 18.06.08 14:56:03 by Ragged Reply

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  • @Ragged (Comment 70) : go look here:

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2008/06/13/win-more-test-tickets-with-sharksworld/

    Then send me an email with the 26 guys you want in your team

  • Comment 71, posted at 18.06.08 14:58:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • Currently the Sharks have over 67% of SuperBru contenders in their favour to win the match…

  • Comment 72, posted at 18.06.08 15:05:21 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • SuperBru picking statistics
    Picks for Sharks 4359 (67.33%)
    Picks for Western Province 2103 (32.48%)
    Picks for draw 12 (0.19%)
    Average Sharks pick Sharks by 9
    Average Western Province pick Western Province by 8
    Average overall pick Sharks by 3
    Biggest Sharks pick Sharks by 100
    Biggest Western Province pick Western Province by 149

  • Comment 73, posted at 18.06.08 15:05:46 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : Cheers Rob I have mailed you my squad.
    Must admit I am enjoying your site.
    Apart from Dive Pass :wink:

  • Comment 74, posted at 18.06.08 15:53:25 by Ragged Reply

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  • @Ragged (Comment 74) :

    I grow on you…..like a fungus ;)

  • Comment 75, posted at 18.06.08 15:56:07 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Ragged (Comment 74) : got it… thanks

  • Comment 76, posted at 18.06.08 15:58:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 75) : And to think that I used to like Mushrooms!

  • Comment 77, posted at 18.06.08 16:00:35 by Ragged Reply

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  • @Ragged (Comment 77) : check your mail, please

  • Comment 78, posted at 18.06.08 16:02:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 73) : Haven’t made my picks yet… :shock:

  • Comment 79, posted at 18.06.08 16:07:12 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : Thanks Rob, you are highly efficient.

  • Comment 80, posted at 18.06.08 16:13:16 by Ragged Reply

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  • @Ragged (Comment 80) : actually, I’m not even a real person. I’m a shell script ;)

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