Frans ain’t satisfied

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 23 Jun 2008 at 07:28
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Frans Steyn admits that his first Test match at flyhalf was not a success story.

The versatile Springbok scored the first try of the Newlands match against Italy on Saturday after a touch of individual brilliance that set the rugby World Cup champions up for a 26-0 victory, writes Stephen Nell on

Steyn also gained much ground with his touch-finders in the wet conditions but was unable to dictate the run of play and to bring the players around him into the game. He also had two of his kicks charged down.

His performance created doubt about his ability to be a Test flyhalf, although he probably needs more than one chance to show what he can do.

“I struggled in the second half,” the young Springbok said after the match. “I lost concentration. I still have to work on a number of things.”

He acknowledged that he had also failed to find touch with “one or two” penalty kicks.

“If you want to be the best you have to do everything one hundred per cent correctly,” he said. “I’m going to be hard on myself and work harder.

“I’m not happy with all the decisions I made but I’m only 21, so there’s a lot of time to learn.”

The conditions did not make things any easier for Steyn and his mates, but he refused to use it as an excuse.

“The first half was not so bad but it rained hard when we came out after half-time. But when you play for the Springboks, you must adapt to all circumstances. You can’t use the weather as an excuse.”

Remarkable talent

However, Steyn also showed, in the way he picked up the ball at full speed to score his try, with the length of his kicks and a splendid pass in contact, why he is regarded as a remarkable talent.

The problem is that no player can develop in a relatively new position at Test level. That should be done in provincial and Super 14 rugby.

Steyn, who had played at fullback, centre and wing for the Springboks, was hesitant when he was questioned about his move to flyhalf. He even indicated that there had been a “misunderstanding” about him wanting to play at flyhalf only.

“The coach and I had a chat and we decided it would be better for me in the long run to play at flyhalf. We’ll see how it goes and take it from there.”

Peter Grant showed determination in attacking the advantage line when he took over at flyhalf during the second half and also showed more confidence in linking up with the players around him.

South Africa’s scrumming also caused concern so soon before the start of the Tri-Nations competition.

Loosehead prop Tendai Mtawarira may be known as “The Beast” but he has a long way to go before his name will be mentioned in the same breath as that of his legendary predecessor, Os du Randt.

Mtawarira had a ball in broken play but battled to get the better of the experienced Italian tighthead prop Carlos Nieto.

Italy did not even have their first-choice front row available for the match but did well enough to back up coach Nick Mallett who had said they had ten props who were good enough to play for Australia.

“We intended attacking their scrum but they were strong on their own ball,” Mtawarira said.

“Italy’s onslaught did not surprise us. We knew they would come hard at us. We certainly want to improve as a pack,” he said.

“We also wanted to carry the ball but conditions were poor. We had to drive more and play tighter than we had intended.”


  • For every brilliant move he makes he follows it up with 2 or 3 silly mistakes / decisions.

    Some might say we need his ‘game breaking’ ability on the bench but i disagree.

    Peter Grant (when he came on in 2nd half) showed us exactly why he has been SA’s most consistent flyhalf in the S14 for the last two years…

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.06.08 07:36:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 1) : Play him @ 15… :wink:

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.06.08 07:40:47 by Charlie Reply

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  • Not a bad idea Charlie but Percy would be my first choice for the Tri Nations with Conrad on the right wing.

    Steyn is not consistent enough to start for the Boks.

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.06.08 07:46:12 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 3) : Conrad? Why? All he does is kick stupid up-and-unders.

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.06.08 07:47:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • Where does this nonsense about Conrad at 14 come from? Got 2 be the Cape Media Cartel again. He is even slower than Akona Ndungane! He has looked brittle so far, so I dont see why we need 2 find a place for him anywhere. JP is by far the best wing in SA behind the incomparable Habana.

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.06.08 07:58:14 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Big Fish

    Did you watch the Sharks game on Friday?

    Your infatuation with JP is nearly as bad as Rob’s is with Barritt.

    JP is not a bad player but to play him in an NB Tri Nations match after the season he has had is like playing Frans Steyn at 10 against the AB’s and leaving Butch on the bench.

    Conrad slower than Akona? Are you on tik or something???

    The Sharks bias on this site is becoming worse by the day…

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.06.08 08:01:47 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : I’ll take that as a compliment ;)

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.06.08 08:11:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • frans you finally have realised what your fans have been saying all year. you just ain’t good enough yet. and when you are we will support you stealing places from deserving players. what you lack is patience. when you find some you will be the player that the coaches believe you are.

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.06.08 08:11:16 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 8) : he doesn’t pick himself, though…

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.06.08 08:13:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • and i love the way beast gets singled out in the article above when it was clearly cj that let the front row down. cj has always been pinned for dragging the loosehead down, and saturday was no different. he needs to be dropped or else we can kiss the tri nations goodbye.

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.06.08 08:15:15 by try time Reply

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  • rob the less said about our coaches the better

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.06.08 08:15:53 by try time Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 5) : what are you smoking. jp is kak. he was poor yet again on friday. he doesn’t know where to be on the field and seems to be stuck in no mans land.

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.06.08 08:18:26 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 10) :


    I agree that CJ doesnt get a rightshoulder and that he is prone to collapse the scrum. BJ Botha scrums technically very correct- but fades in the rest of the game and seldom lifts the Locks as high and strong as required. ( the amount of lineout jumpers being allowed to crash into the turf is alarming!)

    CJ isnt the world’s best scruMMer- BUT when he came on to replace Beast at LH- why did we then “monstered” the Eyeties?

    The best TH on Saturday was the Italian 3, by far!

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.06.08 08:22:50 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 13) : true but cj is in the team as a tight head and he isn’t doing his job. and there is no way he is going to take the loosehead position from beast or gurthro for obvious reason. i believe bj is is the best we have, but agree he isn’t playing the rugby we know he can. my gut feel is his heart isn’t in it anymore. a big question i do have is how good are victor and bakkies in the scrum. the sharks scrum has been solid all season during the s14 (as they were last year), but when the sharks front row lines up for the boks they are weak. i feel johan muller plays a big part in this. i don’t think bakkies or matfield add the same grunt.

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.06.08 08:37:01 by try time Reply

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  • I feel that Muller’s scrumming behind the tighthead is the Sharks “secret sauce” when it comes to scrum dominance.

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.06.08 08:40:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • Beast had a very good game. He was everywhere in the tight loose and scrummed well…

    I’ve never liked CJ and i still think he is overrated.

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.06.08 08:46:35 by wpw Reply
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  • Morning..

    is it not funny that most (if not all) the points were scored by SHARKS….jow’s THAT for BIAS WPW???

    BTW – how’s the daddy-ship going??

    I dont think it was SUCH a bad game – i kinda enjoyed it…but I am mos not the technical analyser when it comes to rugby…its enjoyable or its not…maybe more of you should think that way….

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.06.08 08:55:53 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • Hey Ice!

    Doin fine thanks… All i can say is that i am glad i’m not a woman… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.06.08 08:59:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 18) : we’re all glad you’re not a woman! ;)

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.06.08 09:04:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • Frans kicks too much (would have been a different story if most the mule-kicks had gone into touch though setting up more lineouts)…

    Conrad can’t pass, nor join the line on attack…

    Grant does look solid if nothing special…

    RP is sharper than January in the wet…

    Interesting conundrums… glad I’m not the sole selector… :wink:

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.06.08 09:05:16 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • :sad:
    I missed the game…have a huge family and now and then someone has to go and do something stupid like “gettin married” :roll:

    I’m getting mixed reports for this one ( like every other game)…but if Ice enjoyed the game then that’s IT. The score wasn’t as flattering as expected…but as we all know the scoreboard doesn’t tell the whole story…just the conclusion.

    I hope PdV and his assistants have seen what they have to see…and have a good plan for the 3N. Go Bokke!

    As for Frans- TT has said it…just work on your game and be PATIENT dude.

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.06.08 09:08:18 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : :lol:

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.06.08 09:08:54 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 1) :

    For the last two years…please…Butch was lightyears ahead last year…

    Steyn did brilliant stuff and some silly mistakes…but not outright dumb as he usually would…

    As Joel said…a taller flyhalf kicks always get charged down more (an Steyn is the tallest of them all)…and he cannot believe they did not work on snap kicks…he maybe just needs to learn you don’t NEED to kick the ball 60 meters every time…justy clearing it will be great…and when there is less pressure….kick it 80 if you can…

    I’ll give Frans another run…

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.06.08 09:10:10 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Bryce

    Ruan is too soft to play scrumhalf for the Boks.

    I wouldve liked to see Rory get a chance against one of the weaker teams like Wales… He really is an asshole isnt he??? :wink:

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.06.08 09:13:09 by wpw Reply
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  • Hmmm

    There is no doubt that Butch should be number 1.

    Grant has been consistently good for the Stormers and this year he was SA’s best 10.

    I agree about Butch being the best last year.

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.06.08 09:15:02 by wpw Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 23) : Ok…that’s another opinion.

    Do you think the Sharks made a mistake by not playing him at 10 more often during the S14?

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.06.08 09:17:13 by blackshark Reply

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  • Bobo was useless for me…did nothing was nowhere…got stepped 3 times by a much bigger centre!!!???!!!!??!

    Habana was great even in tough conditions….

    Ricky was just plain awesome…really standout best in SA….hopefully he does not lose his head as he did 2 years ago and he struggles 2 years to shake it off…as long as his feet stay planted he will be one of the best if not the best in the world this year…

    JdV had one of his better defensive games…surprisingly…

    Janjies thinks he is better than what he actually is…he should learn from Percy to play to his limits…reminds me of a young Percy…although Percy was a real handful on defense though…

    Our scrums did better when CJ moved over to the other side…
    But that shove that they gave Mujati about 10/15 meters out from our try-line when Beast and Mujati were the prop pairing…looked like a bus hitting the right-front side of a Mini at a reasonable speed…

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.06.08 09:17:56 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 24) : Kelleher, Gregan, Joost, Marshall, Rickie, Yachvilli, Dawson… they’re all ass-holes :wink:

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.06.08 09:20:23 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 25) :

    Would agree that Grant was the best in the S14….but he was bad at times too in the comp…so I won’t throw consistency around as a strong point quite yet though…

    Cozz then you can argue the same argument for Hougaart (hope there are no Bulle reading this)…

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.06.08 09:21:26 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 26) :

    I think Frans needs to stand up and decide where he wants to play…yet again it seems like he is encouraging the musical chairs…

    I don’t mind players being played in positions as and when required…but you need to have a primary position….Steyn needs to decide what that is before we start blaming the coaches….

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.06.08 09:24:05 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 24) :
    He really is an asshole isnt he??? Yes as any good scrumhalf should be. BTW I equate assholes to foxterriers.

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.06.08 09:26:14 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I think that yellow card on the Ex-Natal lock of Italy was very harsh…

    That was a perfect tackle and an unfortunate bash of heads…I mean who headbuts with their cheecks/side of their face…

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.06.08 09:29:34 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Hey….need to mention…

    At least the Kavaliers can say they top of the CC log…not often that they can…and if they win next week they can make that log leaders for 2 weeks….

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.06.08 09:31:57 by Hmmm Reply

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  • And the LIONS seem to take their S14 consistancy through to the CC….holding up the rest of the log from last place…powerfull team I must say…

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.06.08 09:33:55 by Hmmm Reply

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  • The Hmmm show has just started… :roll:

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.06.08 10:14:44 by wpw Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 36) : @PJLD (Comment 36) :

    I see your Butch clip… and raise it one…

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.06.08 10:34:38 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 35) :

    And my show is more watched and commented on than Oprah’s….so show some respect….

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.06.08 10:43:16 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Ai….can’t watch either here from work….JINNE

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.06.08 10:49:10 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Comment 40, posted at 23.06.08 10:56:40 by PJLD Reply
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  • What I didn’t understand was why, when Mujati and CJ were propping, CJ was at loosehead and Mujati at tight.
    Mujati was never better than average at tighthead for the Stormers (after Moller got injured) and CJ can play either side.
    Saying that, the scrum collapses were on CJ’s side 80% of the time, I thought the Beast had a very solid game.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.06.08 11:06:14 by Flashman Reply

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  • @PJLD (Comment 40) : some awesome tries

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.06.08 11:21:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 39) :

    Type the links above in the url part of this link…

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.06.08 11:32:48 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) :

    Great looking tries… woefully inept and amateur defensive structures back then…

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.06.08 11:36:04 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @I’ce (TKMITFM) (Comment 17) :

    All the score on the board on Saturday was made by Sharks players. All 4 tries and the penalties and conversions were all made by Sharks players.

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.06.08 12:20:26 by Nessa Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 43) :

    Says I am not authorised to view that page….

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.06.08 12:31:35 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Robbie Fleck:

    Frans Steyn at flyhalf does not sit too well with me right now. He has the makings of an international number 10, but at the age of 21 and where he is right now in his career, I don’t think it’s the position for him.

    Flyhalf is a very structured position. It’s the key position on a rugby field these days — especially in this new, brave Bok gameplan — and it’s up to the number 10 to control and manage those around him.

    Steyn, however, tends to do too much on his own. I don’t think he’s a selfish player, but like when I was young and first burst onto the scene at this level, you want the ball in your hands and you want to have a go without really thinking about it properly.

    It’s the same as Butch James when he first made his Test debut in 2001. Butch was a fresh-faced youngster who just wanted to hit the ball up all day long — he wasn’t the playmaker he is today. Now, seven years later, he is more experienced and he picks and chooses when to take the ball up — which he does rarely these days — when to go wide, when to kick or when to have a dart.

    But Steyn could get away with these ‘shortcomings’ at inside centre. At the World Cup last year — not even 12 months ago! — he was the best inside centre on offer. The kid can kick, run, step and pass, but he is better suited to doing it from the safety of the inside centre channel, where he can mature a bit more still. Then, in a few years’ time, he could move to flyhalf; older, wiser and all the better for it.

    Steyn has made the choice himself to be considered as a flyhalf, and you have to credit him for making the choice, but I would really have loved to have seen a 10-12-13 axis of Peter Grant, Frans Steyn and Jean de Villiers in action this weekend.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.06.08 13:05:48 by blackshark Reply

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