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Sharks want Butch back


Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :Sharks on 1 Jul 2008 at 12:13

Cape Town – They have taken their time about creating a homeward passage for their former skipper John Smit, but it is unlikely that the Sharks will be as slow in coming forward to stake a claim for Butch James writes Gavin Rich on news24.co.za

It is understood that the Sharks and the Lions are in the running to grab James’ signature should he be released from his two year contract with English club, Bath.

SA Rugby have made it known that they would prefer James to join Smit and star lock Victor Matfield in returning to South Africa rather than continuing his career overseas.

SA Rugby’s manager of national teams, Andy Marinos, who is in New Zealand performing the duties of team manager with the Springboks, has pointed out that it is becoming increasingly more difficult for overseas based players to dovetail their overseas commitments with their commitment to the Springboks.

Although he is going to lead the Boks against the All Blacks in Wellington on Saturday, Smit had to undertake a 30-hour journey from France on Sunday and Monday after completing his commitments with his French club, who played in the French final.

It is hardly ideal to have your skipper link up with the team so late in the preparation week before such an important match.

The Boks could find the same thing happening with James in the future. So while SA Rugby have agreed that the Bok coach can pick overseas based players, it may, as Marinos says, become logistically less and less possible to do so.

Messy start

This is why Bok coach Peter de Villiers, who is now sold on James after initially being poised to exclude him from the squad, is eager to facilitate a return to the country for James, as was done for Smit.

The Sharks, if they could, would probably snap up James to play for them right now, for the pivot position has been their one big problem in a messy start to the ABSA Currie Cup season.

Frenchman Frederic Michalak is set to become available again once his injury problems are over, but the Sharks management have struggled to communicate their ideas to him because of the language barrier.

And with Michalak not due to return anytime soon, with every passing week so it becomes more and more apparent that the Sharks have a massive problem when it comes to home-grown flyhalves.

Brad Barritt has been used there in the matches against Western Province and the Boland Cavaliers, but he has struggled to impose himself and really doesn’t have the kicking game for the position.

Apart from that, he might well be the best inside centre in the country, or at least was before his non-selection for the Bok training squad in 2007 destroyed his confidence, and it is a crying shame that he is not being used in his preferred position.

Fitness

Some of Barritt’s teammates rate him as the best distributing No 12 in the business, something that became more apparent when he returned to the Sharks team for the final Super 14 league game against the Chiefs in May.

Unfortunately, the then coach Dick Muir opted to return Fransie Steyn to No12 once the Springbok utility back had proved his fitness for the semi-final against the Waratahs.

Barritt again showed his value when he was introduced late in the Sydney game, with the Sharks backs looking a lot more fluid once he was on the field.

Ruan Pienaar was used at No10 towards the end of the Super 14 season, and until the semi-final, he was successful in the position.

Former Wallaby coach Eddie Jones, when he acted as Jake White’s adviser with the Boks at last year’s World Cup, said that Pienaar was the future of Bok flyhalf play, and he may still be, but the player still prefers scrumhalf, and it is clear he will require time to develop as a pivot.

If he is going to do that, then he will benefit from having James around to mentor him. The Maritzburg College old boy has matured a lot in the last year, with the impact of Jones’ coaching and his stint with Bath having a positive effect.

Down in Sharks country they don’t share De Villiers’ view that Steyn is a flyhalf, and at the very least, it will take a couple of years, rather than months, for Steyn to become a top quality No 10 – if indeed he ever does.

No-one is able to say whether Bath would be prepared to release James, and you would imagine that his great form for them this season would make them reluctant to do so, but there is no denying that the Sharks would benefit from having his services.



53 Comments

  • I doubt that Bath would be willing to release Butch and if they did it would be for top dollar – which is also what his agent will push for from whihever union in SA wants his services. Will the Sharks have anything in the bank after accommodating Smit. Has Smits return been announced, from the article it seems it has.

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.07.08 12:31:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I’m sure if Bath receive an acceptable transfer fee, they might let him go. But who can afford it?

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.07.08 12:37:44 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 1) : from what I’ve heard, everyone knows it’s happened but Adolf doesn’t want to release the news

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.07.08 12:46:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 2) : quick send the hat around! :lol:

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.07.08 12:53:14 by Ragged Reply

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  • there’s been a decided lack of single-mindedness at the Sharks this year as far as combinations and who’s playing where is concerned. John Plumtree needs to stamp his authority and his ideas on this team, hopefully that includes who he wants to play where. If he cant do that and sort out where he’s going to play Pienaar and Stein etc, then nothing will improve

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.07.08 13:00:05 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • If the Lions are bidding for him I am quite sure the Sharks will be able to afford him. n Boer maak n plan, and this is one plan the Sharks absolutely have to make! Even if we have to take a loan!

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.07.08 13:04:32 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Why does Adolph whant to keep the news under wraps? :twisted:

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.07.08 13:05:30 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • Yes, please, I’ll go and beg at the first robot I find, just to have my boy back… :lol:

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.07.08 13:06:22 by Nita Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 6) : We can pay it back with the proceeds from a home final in next year’s S14! I fear if we do not do something fast we will be having the same problems as the Lions, did you see how empty the stadium was on Friday?

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.07.08 13:07:22 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Nita (Comment 8) : I’ll join you!!!

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.07.08 13:08:02 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 7) : his mind works like barbed wire…

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.07.08 13:18:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : this sounds like an oxymoron, first of all he would have to have a mind.

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.07.08 13:21:37 by Ragged Reply

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  • @Ragged (Comment 12) : careful… I don’t think he reads this, but you never know ;)

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.07.08 13:32:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • Well well well…
    This is where you guys hang out now !!!!!

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.07.08 13:50:30 by AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) Reply

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  • @AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) (Comment 14) : oh shit… one of the bad guys managed to cheat on the IQ test… ;)

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.07.08 13:52:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : AAAAAAAG NO MAN….

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.07.08 13:55:55 by AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) Reply

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  • @AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) (Comment 16) : welcome, BTW… we don’t get many Bulls fans here. It’s cos we tend to use big words and write our articles in English ;)

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.07.08 13:58:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • ***LMFGA***
    Ok….
    Talk slowley then.

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.07.08 14:01:04 by AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) Reply

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  • @AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) (Comment 18) : you’ve already passed the first test. Most of your comrades would have sworn in Afrikaans by now ;) Welcome again!

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.07.08 14:03:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • Thanx to all !!!!
    But ja old Ice told me about the site and I decided to join.
    Hope it is OK with the rest of the Sharkies….

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.07.08 14:08:28 by AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) Reply

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  • @AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) (Comment 20) : why didn’t you say so? A friend of Ice is a friend of mine ;)

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.07.08 14:10:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Thanx boet !!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.07.08 14:13:03 by AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) Reply

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  • Well I will “pop” on later for a chat.
    Got to do some work for now.

    Keep the passion !!!!

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.07.08 14:16:02 by AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) Reply

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  • @AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) (Comment 23) : and the same to you! You keep that snor nicely trimmed and don’t mess too much grease on your jean pant ;)

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.07.08 14:19:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • “Old Ice”, heh heh, sounds like an aftershave from my dads days.

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.07.08 14:26:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 25) :

    :evil: :evil:

    @robdylan (Comment 24) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: @AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) (Comment 20) :

    Welcome Ass!! :cool:

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.07.08 14:31:33 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 25) :

    I some how doubt Ice will like her name prefixed with old….

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.07.08 14:31:54 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 27) :

    You know me Oh TOO WELL…. :wink:

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.07.08 14:32:54 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 27) : I’m sitting back

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.07.08 14:34:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) :

    sitting back…watching? or sitting ‘out” for this round?? :wink:

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.07.08 14:44:56 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • Whoaa it wasnt me that called old Ice old, it was that AssKicking blue friend of hers that called her that in @AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) (Comment 20) :
    I was just trying to subtely draw her attention to what AK said.

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.07.08 14:47:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 31) :

    Old Ass is just still p’d at losing TWO bets in a ROW with me…..he still needs to honour the last one….Going to Loftus for a Sharks / BB game in full SHARKS ATTIRE… :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.07.08 14:50:03 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • @I’ce (TKMITFM) (Comment 30) : either or both. I’m fighting my battles on that other site today.

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.07.08 14:53:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @I’ce (TKMITFM) (Comment 32) :

    :) Post the pictures here after Saturday……

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.07.08 14:54:15 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Meanwhile Sharks CEO Brian van Zyl has denied reports that they were negotiating a return to Kings Park for Springbok and Bath flyhalf Butch James.

    “That’s nonsense. Butch is contracted to Bath and we haven’t made any overtures to him,” he said. He declined to comment on whether the Sharks were in discussions with any other flyhalves.

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.07.08 14:56:10 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :

    :?: :?:

    @Dive Pass (Comment 34) :

    The bugger got outa this one…. :evil: Not here for the game…. :evil:

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.07.08 14:56:54 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • @I’ce (TKMITFM) (Comment 36) : Keo. I am making new friends ;)

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.07.08 15:07:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) :

    AHHHHHHHH….. :wink:

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.07.08 15:08:48 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • “Brad Barritt has been used there in the matches against Western Province and the Boland Cavaliers, but he has struggled to impose himself and really doesn’t have the kicking game for the position.”

    Brad was injured and didn’t play last week against Boland…..

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.07.08 15:10:57 by hellbent Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) :
    On which thread, ha vent been there today but might be wort a squizz.

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.07.08 15:18:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 40) : this is the one where I’m most popular:

    http://www.keo.co.za/2008/07/01/michalak-still-in-sharks-frame/

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.07.08 15:21:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • amazing those guys… muttering to themselves “I hate that guy so much, his website is so stupid” while repeatedly clicking the link ;)

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.07.08 15:22:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • “when you stop using this blog to promote your flagrant homosexuality. Who exactly are you planning on hooking up with here? Simon?”

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.07.08 15:26:13 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • By the same token Rob, I doubt you wouldn’t allow anyone to say the things you are saying on their website here….

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.07.08 15:37:33 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) :
    You sound as if you could be a superstirrer. :wink:

  • Comment 45, posted at 01.07.08 15:44:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 44) : My editorial policy is clear. There’s isn’t. You’re right, though. I’m being a hypocrite

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.07.08 16:23:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • You’ve upset a lot of poor people on that site, possibly scarred them mentally for life. You really should do the right thing an apologise to Simon, Ryan and UberStormTruperGeneral Keo.

    Oh, and learn the difference between an apostrophe and plural.

    It’s so like last Friday!

    Your losing it!

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.07.08 16:32:14 by hellbent Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 47) : Actually doing my own reputation more harm than good. Will exercise more restraint in future.

    Wonder what crawled up Dawn’s ass…

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.07.08 17:17:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • ohhhhhhh
    THIS seems like a thread i should sit down and READ rather than skim. :wink:

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.07.08 18:03:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • It was a thread well worth reading for the entertainment level alone. Loads better than the article itself!

    But agreed Rob, you are not going to make a lot of friends.

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.07.08 18:53:31 by hellbent Reply

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  • Rob was throwing verbal tom thumbs at troglodytes.

    Not sure if that is ethically defensible old chap… :wink:

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.07.08 19:11:24 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 51) :

    :lol:

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.07.08 19:54:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • It was, in hindsight, a mistake and one I won’t repeat

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.07.08 21:34:16 by robdylan Reply
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