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Frans Steyn back on bench?


Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks, Tri Nations on 2 Jul 2008 at 08:04

Adrian Jacobs is almost certain to be at outside centre when South Africa play New Zealand in the Tri-Nations rugby Test match here on Saturday.

The merits of Jacobs and Frans Steyn were still being debated on Tuesday.

Stephen Nell writes in Die Burger that Jacobs did particularly well in the first Test against Wales in Bloemfontein and Steyn failed to impress when he was given a run at flyhalf against Italy.

Some experts believe the talented Steyn should be an automatic choice for the SA starting lineup and that he should be at centre this week.

However, if the Springboks’ practice on Tuesday was any indication, Steyn won’t be in the run-on team and Jacobs will regain the No 13 jersey that Gcobani Bobo wore in the 26-0 victory over Italy.

It seems coach Peter de Villiers will retain Odwa Ndungane on the right wing and Butch James will be back at flyhalf after being rested for the match against the Italians.

All Black coach Graham Henry said on Tuesday it seemed the Springboks were out to play more attractive rugby under De Villiers’s coaching than they had done previously.

Thrive on turnover possession

“There are indications that they will use the ball a lot more. This will make them more dangerous,” Henry said.

However, South Africa should be wary of taking too many risks because Henry has selected a team that will thrive on turnover possession.

“I have not met Peter de Villiers but from what I’ve seen on television, he seems very enthusiastic,” the All Black coach said.

“The South Africans seem to enjoy taking the ball wide. They began well under De Villiers.”

The Springboks are popular visitors here and representatives of the New Zealand media enjoy De Villiers’s quips during news conferences.

However, the pressure is mounting. The All Blacks as well as the Springboks have done what they had to do against weaker opposition from the northern hemisphere. This week’s Test will show where they stand.

“I can’t see there being a bigger Test in the world than this one,” Henry said.

SW Editorial Note: So let’s put it to a vote…What is your take on the number 13 berth? Who should start and who should collect splinters?



47 Comments

  • Why ????
    Start with Steyn and bring Jacobs on in the second halve !!!
    Steyn is a much better defender and kicker than Jacobs.

  • Comment 1, posted at 02.07.08 08:09:58 by AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) Reply
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  • I expect the AB midfield (Nonu & Smith) to attack the Channel where Jacobs is right from the word go.

  • Comment 2, posted at 02.07.08 08:16:44 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • But Steyn is NOT an outside centre.

  • Comment 3, posted at 02.07.08 08:21:06 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : Haven’t heard it from the All Blacks midfield themselves as the Wales did…IMO if Adi could have keep that size in tact he can surely do it against the likes of Nonu and Smith…BTW Nonu’s not the world’s best defender…so he will have his hands full with JDV… ;)

    @AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) (Comment 1) : Might be, but Adi can defend and kick… so what :?:

  • Comment 4, posted at 02.07.08 08:26:04 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 4) :

    BTW you are not allowed to vote on the impromtu poll: :wink:

  • Comment 5, posted at 02.07.08 08:29:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 5) : I’ll make a few phone calls then for votings on my behalf… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 6, posted at 02.07.08 08:33:36 by Charlie Reply

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  • Who cares what we think, its the coaches choice, he is hired and fired by them. Jacobs showed enough against Wales to suggest he should get a run…something all the fans are all to happy to gift to Steyn despite a woeful Super 14.

  • Comment 7, posted at 02.07.08 08:36:11 by Sauce Reply
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  • I think we should give Adi a chance.

    Steyn made it clear that he wants to play flyhalf so let him compete for that position.

    We don’t want what happened to the Sharks in the S14 to happen to the Boks, where Steyn was a Jack of all trades – Master of none.

  • Comment 8, posted at 02.07.08 08:38:20 by wpw Reply
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  • I don’t even know how to vote on this one. These guys are two good but very different players so thank God I’m not the one who has to make this decision.

    I’d probably start with Frans…see what kinda game he’s having… and then bring on Mr. Jacobs later. But really…either way we need both of these guys to have a HUGE impact on the game. We need to find gaps and most importantly bring our wings into the game.

    I’m too lazy to check…what is kick off time in RSA again?

    Go Bokke!

  • Comment 9, posted at 02.07.08 08:40:20 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Sauce (Comment 7) :
    Says it all really.

  • Comment 10, posted at 02.07.08 08:42:41 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Well blackshark, if we need to move the ball to the wings i think its a no brainer… does Steyn know HOW TO PASS??? :roll:

  • Comment 11, posted at 02.07.08 08:45:53 by wpw Reply
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  • Adi all the way. He’s innovative, he’s in form and his defense is nowhere near as bad as people seem to think. Why do you want your 13 to kick?

  • Comment 12, posted at 02.07.08 08:47:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • i expect Adi will play his heart out and do just fine, he’s a great support player and with him at 13, Habana might just get the ball once or twice… Steyn’s time will come

  • Comment 13, posted at 02.07.08 08:49:01 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Butt kicking :?:

  • Comment 14, posted at 02.07.08 08:53:42 by Charlie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 11) : Ja Frans Verstaan Steyn…ala Rob :shock:

  • Comment 15, posted at 02.07.08 08:54:36 by Charlie Reply

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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 13) : Agree. Wings will see far more ball with a distributor like adi at 13

  • Comment 16, posted at 02.07.08 08:54:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 11) : Oh come on…Steyn knows how to pass…do I need to compile footage? :razz:

    I think you guys need to forget the boring brand of rugby that the Sharks played in the S14 and look forward to what the BOKS will display in the 3N.

    Whether Steyn runs on…or comes on from the bench is not a big deal…but have a LITTLE FAITH, will ya? The kid has the best of his rugby years AHEAD of him and it’s in the best of our interests to build him than to break him down because of a bad run in ONE competition. :mad:

  • Comment 17, posted at 02.07.08 08:57:12 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 17) : You speak the truth. You guys know I’m in a bit of a bad place when it comes to Frans, but his talent cannot be denied. Just look at the try against Italy

  • Comment 18, posted at 02.07.08 09:03:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • blackshark

    No one is doubting his abilities… we are doubting his ability to pass :mrgreen:

    Seriously, i rate him as a brilliant prospect… he does however need to play off the bench.

  • Comment 19, posted at 02.07.08 09:04:18 by wpw Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 17) : So if he wants to play 10 let him, but why now suddenly 13 @ the exspense of a player like Adi :?: Wonder what the outcome would have been if a fit Jacque Fourie was the incumbent @ 13… :roll:

  • Comment 20, posted at 02.07.08 09:04:46 by Charlie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 19) : Why even have him on the bench if he can’t pass? Let’s leave him at home then …

  • Comment 21, posted at 02.07.08 09:06:25 by blackshark Reply

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  • Rob there are plenty of easily installed, ready made polls for websites, any chance you would put one up here for debates like this?

  • Comment 22, posted at 02.07.08 09:06:51 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Like I said…I don’t really care who starts between the two.

    I just have a problem with ” Adi must start because Frans is crap “…because he’s NOT. I’d be more comfortable with “Adi must start because he is a good player and he’s done enough to earn the jersey.”

  • Comment 23, posted at 02.07.08 09:15:35 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 21) : Surely it’s not that Steyn can’t pass the same with kicking for touch, IMO it’s more of a split second descision making that still needs to be groomed, as I said @ 15 he will have a bit of more time and he has all the credentials to play there… It’s time to forget about the World Cup and move on… If JDV did not get injured where would Steyn have futured :?: On the bench IMO… :wink:

  • Comment 24, posted at 02.07.08 09:19:07 by Charlie Reply

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  • Blackshark,
    I’m with you on this one.

    Welcome to the average SA supporter where the glass is always half empty (even when overflowing)

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.07.08 09:21:43 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 22) : I have one ready to go. Just have to install it. Only so many hours in a day :-)

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.07.08 09:24:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 24) : But JdV did get enough…and steyn got his chance to play…and he took it with both hands and both feet. :grin:

    He’s still a World Class player…so maybe let’s just accept that PdV is lucky to have a team full of good players. It’s not like we have ADI…who is UP THERE and Steyn DOWN THERE. These guys are basically at the same level.

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.07.08 09:28:36 by blackshark Reply

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  • Composure: Jacobs
    Pace: Even
    Kicking: Steyn
    Defence: Steyn
    Attacking breaks: Even
    Physical Statute: Steyn

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.07.08 09:45:36 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 28) :
    Composure can have a sub category – under pressure, would Adi still be the incumbent for that or would it be Steyn?

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.07.08 10:11:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Hey everyone. Are you into Rugby? I created a league in the new Tri-Nations series for all my friends. You are all welcome to join my league!

    League name: Try League
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    Once you have registered you can join the league by entering the league code above. (Previous Super Dream Teams login details are still valid.)

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  • Comment 30, posted at 02.07.08 10:19:38 by Ben Bullies Reply

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  • @Ben Bullies (Comment 30) :
    Hi Ben, are you also one of Ice’s recruits.

  • Comment 31, posted at 02.07.08 10:27:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Ben Bullies (Comment 30) : I’ve been invited to so many fantasy leagues…don’t think i’ll be able to keep up…

    I’m just gonna play the one on TESTRUGBY… Rob, DP…you’ll play there right??

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.07.08 10:39:15 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 32) : indeed

  • Comment 33, posted at 02.07.08 10:42:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :

    Rob can you give the codes for others who want to join the Sharksworld FL on Testrugby… I think Pokkel was in the wrong sharksworld league !

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.07.08 10:46:53 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 34) : it’s just called “Sharksworld”. No password or anything.

  • Comment 35, posted at 02.07.08 10:50:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) :

    The Sharksworld prize for the winner of the Trinations FL is a trip to Twickenham to watch the Boks play England on the 22 November 2008.*

    * = Please notes the prize does include match tickets, airfaires, spending money and local travel expenses but accommodation will be provide at the bottom of Rob’s yard.**

    ** = Please note that the tent is not included.***

    *** = Sharksworld dooes accept any form of liability for Rob or his dog urinating or you or your tent.

  • Comment 36, posted at 02.07.08 11:00:30 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 36) : I don’t have a dog. Good otherwise ;)

  • Comment 37, posted at 02.07.08 11:13:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • blackshark and Ollie

    I think everyone agrees that Steyn is talented and I don’t see any comments stating that he is crap.

    There is no doubt he is good enough to play for the Boks.

    He’s just not in good enough form to start for the Boks at the moment.

  • Comment 38, posted at 02.07.08 11:36:10 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : There is no doubt he is good enough to play for the Boks.
    He’s just not in good enough form to start for the Boks at the moment.

    Ok…that sounds fair. And please notice that I highlighted “at the moment”…because I have a good feeling that this moment will soon pass.

  • Comment 39, posted at 02.07.08 11:46:01 by blackshark Reply

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  • Steyn & Pienaar can cover all the positions in the backline and give Piet Snor the change to put two fatties with them on the bench. I also have my doubts about AD’s defense but think a midfield pair have to be a combo. AD & Jean know each other play well, playing together from youth days WP Craven Week.

  • Comment 40, posted at 02.07.08 11:47:17 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : Are you sure about that Rob? :shock:

    @Dive Pass (Comment 36) : The Sharksworld prize for the winner of the Trinations FL is a trip to Twickenham to watch the Boks play England on the 22 November 2008.*

    * = Please notes the prize does include match tickets, airfaires, spending money and local travel expenses but accommodation will be provide at the bottom of Rob’s yard.**

    ** = Please note that the tent is not included.***

    *** = Sharksworld dooes accept any form of liability for Rob or his dog urinating or you or your tent.

  • Comment 41, posted at 02.07.08 11:49:12 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 41) :

    Rob just accepts that my typing does NOT always match my thoughts

  • Comment 42, posted at 02.07.08 12:04:57 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 42) : I bet it doesn’t always match his thoughts too… :lol:

  • Comment 43, posted at 02.07.08 12:14:39 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 3) :

    Agreed…

  • Comment 44, posted at 02.07.08 17:08:58 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) (Comment 1) :

    I believe Adi should be given a chance at least…even if just the first half…

  • Comment 45, posted at 02.07.08 17:09:48 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 3) :

    What about bring Steyn on at 12 and move JdV to 13 (he has loads of experience there alongside The Law)….

    Worked well with Butch in the WC and also takes pressure off Butch and has more time to put in his monster 70/80 meter kicks…

  • Comment 46, posted at 02.07.08 17:11:44 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Ben Bullies (Comment 30) :

    I don’t think I could handle yet another place to keep track of. Off the top of my head I have Superbru, testrugby, Captain Morgan and somewhere else that I can’t remember.

  • Comment 47, posted at 02.07.08 21:03:06 by Milissa Reply

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