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Boks have all the experience up-front


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, Tri Nations on 3 Jul 2008 at 09:57

The incredible thing about the pack that Peter de Villiers has named for the show-down with New Zealand this weekend is the sheer amount of caps its combined members have accumulated.

Talk that the Boks are going to be bullied upfront actually amounts to very little, when considering that only Gürthro Steenkamp amongst the forwards has played in fewer than 40 tests. The starting 8 named by de Villiers has an aggregate of 392 caps. That’s an average of not quite 50.

John Smit leads the charge with 77 appearances for his country. Andrew Hore, his direct opposite, has pulled on the black jersey a scant 25 times. That’s about a third of what John has done. Greg Sommerville has way more experience than his opposite number Steenkamp (15), but on the other side, CJ van der Linde’s 50 caps stack up well against Tony Woodcock’s 42. In the second row, it’s not so much the individual appearances by Vic Matfield (77) and Bakkies Botha (48) that are so crucial; rather, it’s the number of times the pair have played together, a stat which Ali Williams and Brad Thorn cannot hope to macth.

It’s in the loose forwards, though, that the Boks should really have the upper hand in this test match. Burger, van Niekerk and Smith have made 132 appearances between them. The All Blacks have Rod So’oialo played out of position with two rookies in Jerome Kaino and Adam Thomsom. So’oialo will have the added burden of the All Black captaincy to worry about. Expect the Boks to play havoc against this ill-conceived and inexperienced combination.

Among the backs, it’s a slightly different story, with the All Blacks boasting more experience and more settled combinations than the Boks can claim to. Odwa Ndungane will be under a lot of pressure, playing in only his second test. His opposite number, Rudi Wulf, is also a newcomer to test rugby, though and it is a comfort that it will be 38-test veteran (and world’s best winger) Bryan Habana tasked with handling the dangerous Sitiveni Sivivatu on the other side.

Perhaps the insurance policy of almost-centurion Percy Montgomery and drop-kicking wünderkind Francois Steyn on the bench may well be just the thing the Boks need to secure a first New Zealand win in a decade? I can’t wait for kick-off.

Bok 22:

15 Conrad Alcon Jantjes, 14 Odwa Nzuzo Ndungane, 13 Adrian Abraham Jacobs, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Bryan Gary Habana, 10 Andrew David James, 9 Enrico Ricardo Januarie, 8 Johann Christiaan van Niekerk, 7 Juan Hugo Smith, 6 Schalk Willem Petrus Burger, 5 Victor Matfield, 4 John Philip Botha, 3 Christoffel Johannes van der Linde, 2 John William Smit (capt), 1 Gürthro Garth Steenkamp
16 Bismarck Wilhelm du Plessis, 17 Brian Vuyisile Mujait, 18 Andries Bekker, 19 Luke Asher Watson, 20 Johannes Haindly Conradie, 21 Francois Philippus Lodewyk Steyn, 22 Percival Colin Montgomery



133 Comments

  • Very good read Rob.

    If we can win the battle up front and starve the AB backline of some ‘go forward’ ball (Owen Nkumane’s favourite phrase), then we can beat them.

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.07.08 10:08:20 by wpw Reply
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  • It is not the forwards that I am worried about.
    The backline is clearly the biggest problem.
    This is going to be a grudge match of note. The NZ team is going out to prove that they are indeed better than the S.A. side.
    On paper I am sorry to say but I back the NZ team for Satuardy.
    They destroyed the England team twice ( runners up in WC ) !!!
    So make no mistake that they are going out to do the same to WC champs…

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.07.08 10:11:57 by AK ( Bull in Shark clothing ) Reply

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  • another plus is that tho Jantjies, Adi and Odwa dont have much test experience, they are journeymen who have proved themselves over and over… they are more likely to put in solid performances than make the naive mistakes of rookies

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.07.08 10:16:05 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 3) : I agree with you. It’s one thing having greenhorn 21-year-old’s with a few test caps. Adi, Jatjes and Odwa have all been consistently good over 3-4 seasons without getting any recognition under White. They won’t let the side down.

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.07.08 10:18:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • Asher? Sounds like one of Santa’s reindeer. Or one of the seven dwarfs.

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.07.08 10:19:54 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : AMEN !!! :grin:

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.07.08 10:20:47 by Charlie Reply

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  • Like the list of full names. Some creative parents it seems.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.07.08 10:21:14 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • Nonu has crashed through some of the best in the world, it wouldn’t surprise me if he gets through Adi at least once, but that is nothing against Adi but rather a plus point for Nonu.

    The doomsdayers will use it though to run down Adi.

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.07.08 10:21:43 by Ollie Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 5) : Rob what have you started now with adding the middle names :?:

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.07.08 10:23:03 by Charlie Reply

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  • No debate over Bolla? I suppose those doomsayers have found a new target in Adi.

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.07.08 10:23:36 by molly Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 9) : he he he…

    @molly (Comment 10) : @Ollie (Comment 8) : Certain sections of the public (and the media) are going to see what they want to see, regardless of what actually happens out there

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.07.08 10:25:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ollie (Comment 8) :

    Ja, Nonu might run through Adi, but Adi should be able to run around Nonu and create gaps. The team is looking strong, lets hope they have the mental strength to pull it off.

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.07.08 10:26:04 by Superwors Reply

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  • molly

    Bolla to me proved against Wales that he still has what it takes to play test rugby.

    He has experience and even though he has a crap attitude, he hardly ever has a bad game for the Boks.

    A much safer option that the inconsistent Pienaar.

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.07.08 10:27:31 by wpw Reply
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  • For those interested, here is the list of caps I compiled for the starting 15 in writing this article:

    steenkamp 15
    smit 77
    cj 50
    vic 70
    bakkies 48
    schalk 40
    juan 45
    joe 47
    ricky 24
    butch 28
    bryan 39
    jdev 36
    adi 12
    odwa 1
    con 14

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.07.08 10:27:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 10) : @robdylan (Comment 11) : So True (IDIOTS) :roll:

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.07.08 10:27:47 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : They must be pretty embarrassed with Bolla’s good display that they’ve had to move on.
    I’m pretty confident we’ll have the same situation on Monday with Adi playing classily (if thats a word)

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.07.08 10:28:45 by molly Reply
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  • @Superwors (Comment 12) : Good point. We all know that trying to defend against the Kiwis never works. That’s what lost us all our test there under White; thinking defence alone would win the game. Let’s go out there to attack them and score some tries – see how well they defend.

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.07.08 10:28:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 13) : call me crazy, but there isn’t a slight hint of WP bias there, perhaps? ;)

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.07.08 10:29:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 15) : I know this is not easy advice, but try not to get personally involved just because it affects one of your favourite players. Adi knows what he needs to do to keep the coach and his teammates happy. There’s not much he can do to change the perceptions of people who are determined to be closed-minded.

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.07.08 10:31:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • Surely this notion that Adi (or whoever else) is not a good defender can easily be dispelled or confirmed with some match stats like say, tackles made/missed.

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.07.08 10:35:40 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • I also list the Caps and Points scored for the match 22 here

    http://www.transvaal.co.za/bokspan.asp

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.07.08 10:37:47 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • No bias at all Rob. :roll:

    Hey Walter… for once you are able to ‘praat saam’ cos there’s finally a Lions player in the Bok team. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.07.08 10:40:43 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 22) :

    And a few ex-Lions (3 I think?)

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.07.08 10:44:38 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • 4 if you count the bench…

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.07.08 10:45:49 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • Gürthro Garth Steenkamp – very creative… it’s like Robert Robben Dylan :mrgreen:

    Anyway- this is still the classic Springboks vs All Blacks clash…the BEST against the BEST…and from any angle you look at it…this will be BIG!

    We will hold our own in the scrums…we better moer them at breakdown!

    Go Bokke!

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.07.08 10:47:20 by blackshark Reply

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  • As always I’m just yanking your chain hey Walter… :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.07.08 10:48:36 by wpw Reply
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  • Wes,

    How can a player prove himself in one game?
    Granted he played well, but for me the jury is still very much out on him.
    Now if he can string together another good performance or two without having a mare inbetween I’ll happily concede.

    I’m more of a Januarie fan to be honest.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.07.08 10:49:05 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I hope Schalk has a blinder.

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.07.08 10:50:12 by wpw Reply
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  • Vinnie

    I was comparing him to Pienaar.

    Once FDP comes back from injury Bolla can go back to WP.

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.07.08 10:52:08 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 29) :

    Just you wait until Dance Bear gets here….he will sort you out ;)

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.07.08 10:55:08 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 28) : Without the blinkers… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.07.08 10:56:03 by Charlie Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 20) : that kind of info is, unfortunately, not freely available

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.07.08 11:02:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) :

    I used to do missed tackle stats and other stuff for tests, but it gets a bit hectic after a while to keep it up.

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.07.08 11:04:17 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • For instance, here is the stats for Schalk against Australia at Perth on 31 July 2004

    Tackles – 75% (Made 18, missed 6)
    Kickoffs – 100% (Took 6)
    Up & Unders – 0% (Took 0, missed 1)
    1st at breakdown – 2
    Across advantage line – 6
    Not across advantage line – 8
    Penalties conceded – 1

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.07.08 11:06:48 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : Unfortunate that. It’s not like it’s a secret. Maybe just to labour intensive.

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.07.08 11:07:52 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 34) : shit… that’s good stuff.

    I’m going to watch Adi closely on Saturday

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.07.08 11:08:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • Does anybody know if the Boks still use prozone (I think that’s the name)?

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.07.08 11:09:05 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 29) :

    Ah fair enough. Understood.

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.07.08 11:10:22 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 34) : Do you do it on your own? Reckon it must be a moerse job to collect those stats.

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.07.08 11:11:27 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : Everyone is, there is IMMENSE pressure on him, poor guy.

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.07.08 11:12:38 by molly Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 39) :

    Yes, just me with a spreadsheet and a remote to rewind and slomo. What’s great about it is that it takes emotion out of the equation, with stats you can judge a player on his abilities.

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.07.08 11:14:34 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 37) :

    There was a kid who grew up next door to me years ago who now does such analysis for all and sundry.

    He doesnt use Prozone but I know some other guys do.

    Interestingly enough, all this work is contracted out i.e. Jake never used to do the analysis himself, he’d pay some young guys to do it for him.

    Another interesting fact is this: this guy, now in his mid-twenties, does a lot of work for the refereeing society.
    So one day he is sitting there and they are about to undertake a refereeing test and they asked him if he wanted to take part.
    He reckons he hasn’t done any studying and doesn’t think he’d do too well.
    So anyway Andre Watson convinces him to sit the test just for a laugh and he does.

    Turns out he gets the second higest score ever recorded in SA, 2 percentage points behind the highest ever scored, by none other than Jonathan Kaplan.

    So now he’s in a fast-track program to become a referee. And all this knowledge garnered from analysing games.

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.07.08 11:14:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Rob, what say you organise a little Sharksworld stats collection programme thingy? Find 15 people willing to make note of things like missed tackles & breaks over advantage line, etc. Each person takes a player (and whoever replaces him) and compile the info on Monday.

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.07.08 11:18:13 by Flashman Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 41) : Very true.

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.07.08 11:18:26 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 42) : is his name Morne Nortier?

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.07.08 11:19:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 41) :

    There used to be some wonderfully detailed stats of the Super 12 on Rugby Heaven but it’s hard to find stats as detailed as those you measured these days

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.07.08 11:19:19 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 42) : Very interesting.

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.07.08 11:19:36 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Flashman (Comment 43) :

    What do you mean 15 people….. Rob’s going to do the whole Currie Cup on his own ;)

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.07.08 11:20:35 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • From what I can gather on google, Jake (with the backing of Sasol) agreed a three year contract with prozone in 2005. Probably not been renewed.

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.07.08 11:21:05 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Flashman (Comment 43) : good idea. You volunteering? ;)

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.07.08 11:26:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’ve got all the tests since 2004 on DVD so perhaps it’s time for me to start catching up my stats again…LOL!

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.07.08 11:26:52 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : Sure, I’ll take CJ.

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.07.08 11:29:38 by Flashman Reply

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  • Molly

    Just found this on news24:

    And while the selection of Montgomery – never exceptionally brave under the high ball -on the bench is probably a calculated move, the continued selection of Jacobs to the exclusion of the big (100kg) Steyn and for that matter all other quality centres in South Africa, does seem like a gamble.

    The return of Jacobs for the two Tests against Wales was arguably successful. He was full of running in the first, less so in the second but obviously had problems containing the big Welsh centre, Tom Shanklin, in Bloemfontein.

    A lingering memory is how Jacobs twice in Bloemfontein had to hang on for dear life to a single leg of Shanklin despite the big Welshman getting little go-forward ball in this Test.

    Shanklin weighed 99kg. This time Jacobs, at 87kg, has to face one of the strongest runners in world rugby and arguably the most difficult centre to bring down in Ma’a Nonu who at a beefy 104kg, will have a 17kg weight advantage on Jacobs.

    Nonu, who has a deceptive step and quick feet, is more than just a straight runner with a low gravity, and is described by the All Blacks website as follows: “The explosive.. Ma’a Nonu has built a reputation as one of the toughest marks in world rugby, able to break the line, off-load the ball and set up or score scintillating tries.”

    Coaches prosper and fail by their selections, and for the sake of the Springboks – ney, the whole of South Africa – one hopes that this selection of De Villiers’ standout player of five years ago when he was coaching at the Falcons, will be up to the task.

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.07.08 11:29:43 by wpw Reply
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  • @Flashman (Comment 52) :

    And what sort of figures are we going to get when Charlie take Adi?!?

  • Comment 54, posted at 03.07.08 11:32:46 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • I’ll take Mujati… just to prove Hmmm wrong. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 03.07.08 11:33:51 by wpw Reply
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  • I think we will macth them upfront with our runon front row…
    We will def strugle when Mujati comes on…

  • Comment 56, posted at 03.07.08 11:33:57 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 53) : I bet one-on-one, on attack and in defence, Jacobs will have the upper hand against Nonu.

  • Comment 57, posted at 03.07.08 11:35:09 by Flashman Reply

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  • DP

    We can thank our lucky stars Barritt aint playing on Saturday.

    He would have made 30 line breaks and 75 tackles (while only being on the field as a sub for 13 minutes) :roll:

  • Comment 58, posted at 03.07.08 11:35:27 by wpw Reply
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  • Our more mobile loose trio…that matches the AB trio physically if not stronger…will give us an advantage with the ELV’s…

  • Comment 59, posted at 03.07.08 11:35:46 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 55) :

    If Mujati proves me wrong I’ll kiss your caramel ass…

  • Comment 60, posted at 03.07.08 11:36:46 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 54) : Good point! Charlie, you’ve got Bakkies.

  • Comment 61, posted at 03.07.08 11:37:20 by Flashman Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 58) : I find if you watch him at half-speed, you can generally keep up. If you’ve got someone helping you

  • Comment 62, posted at 03.07.08 11:39:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Flashman (Comment 57) :

    I donno…Nonu is very strong on attack and he might get the upper hand on Adi’s def…but trhat is why the Bokke are super scramble defenders and Schulk is the best of them all in that…so we should be fine…

  • Comment 63, posted at 03.07.08 11:39:38 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Flashman (Comment 61) : give Charlie Frans Steyn ;)

  • Comment 64, posted at 03.07.08 11:39:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) :

    No his name is Marius.

  • Comment 65, posted at 03.07.08 11:40:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 63) : Agreed but Nonu is also weak on defence and Jacobs runs some great lines.
    Jacobs will definitely miss some tackles, and as you say, thank goodness for Schalk, but I’ll think he’ll come out on top.

  • Comment 66, posted at 03.07.08 11:44:41 by Flashman Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 64) :

    He’ll go to the other extreme and give stats similar to hmmmm’s on Mujati… ;)

  • Comment 67, posted at 03.07.08 11:44:56 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 64) : Ok. You’ll take Schalk then?

  • Comment 68, posted at 03.07.08 11:45:26 by Flashman Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 65) : so he’s not interested in writing for us, then?

  • Comment 69, posted at 03.07.08 11:46:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • Look Adi is a good player but to think he even lives on the same planet as Nonu is a stretch in my opinion.

    He’ll do fine and is always solid but he’s never been a superstar in any game I’ve seen him play. Nonu has.

  • Comment 70, posted at 03.07.08 11:47:52 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) :

    Havent seen the dude for years. They moved away a few years before I did, which was in itself a good few years ago.

    The only reason I know about what he does is because I ran into his old man in Cape Town a few months ago.

    I anyway dont think I’d be interested in writing rugby articles in my spare time of that’s what I already did night and day for a living.

  • Comment 71, posted at 03.07.08 11:49:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I just hope Bolla does not have to come on…it will be much tougher than against Wales…
    And Bolla is not that consistent….when he is put under pressure he falters….

    Ricky is on awesome form and there is no reason to sub him….

  • Comment 72, posted at 03.07.08 11:50:53 by Hmmm Reply

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  • big guys like Nonu or Lomu very seldom trouble the Bokke

    here’s the weights of the respective centres and wings for this test (from sarugby.com and the allblacks official site)

    Jean de Villiers 103kg Nonu 104kg
    Adi 93kg Smith 95kg
    Odwa 95kg Wulf 91kg
    Habana 94kg Sivivatu 95kg

  • Comment 73, posted at 03.07.08 12:07:33 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 73) :

    Thanks Spyker….that puts things more in perspective

  • Comment 74, posted at 03.07.08 12:09:17 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 73) :

    Adi 93?
    That is a big jump in his weight from what I’ve ever seen before…

  • Comment 75, posted at 03.07.08 12:22:30 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 75) :

    I’ve got his weight as 83 in my DB..normally I capture it when they make their debut but I do update it sometimes. It’s possible that that was his debut weight (2001) and that he could have picked up 10 kgs since.

  • Comment 76, posted at 03.07.08 12:27:00 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 73) :

    And Sivivatu also lost some weight…we was 102kg when last I checked last year some time….but he was a bit slower too…

  • Comment 77, posted at 03.07.08 12:27:06 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 75) :

    sarugby.net has him at91kg’s

  • Comment 78, posted at 03.07.08 12:27:40 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • SArugby.net shows Adi as 91kg

  • Comment 79, posted at 03.07.08 12:30:16 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • The Boks seem very well fed. Modern science hey. :wink:

  • Comment 80, posted at 03.07.08 12:32:03 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 80) :

    So he picked up 8kg’s in 7 years…not bad I guess. Is that with our without the headgear?

  • Comment 81, posted at 03.07.08 12:34:20 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • i doubt any of the weights given are that accurate, the point is the Bok backline shouldnt be overwhelmed by size… as far as skill goes we’ll see come saturday

  • Comment 82, posted at 03.07.08 12:37:35 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • I would love to know who weighs the players & how often it happens.

  • Comment 83, posted at 03.07.08 12:38:23 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 78) :

    Cannot find him on SharksRugby…they only have the CC team there….they should have the most recent weight (S14 squad)

  • Comment 84, posted at 03.07.08 12:38:41 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 82) : I have my doubts about those weight stats as well. :twisted:

  • Comment 85, posted at 03.07.08 12:40:10 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 83) :

    I have a few friends…and SArugby.com telephone them and ask them their weights…then they update with what the player said…they don’t update very often…

    As far as I know the provinces weight the players and put the weight in as weighed…

  • Comment 86, posted at 03.07.08 12:40:35 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 86) : Do you’re friends weigh the players. :wink: :lol:

  • Comment 87, posted at 03.07.08 12:42:46 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • you’re = your :oops:

  • Comment 88, posted at 03.07.08 12:43:14 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • I would think with all the science in sport that a player’s weight would be closely monitored & on a regular basis by some medical dude.

  • Comment 89, posted at 03.07.08 12:44:22 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 87) :

    Yes they do…in other words they weigh themselves!??!

    They are players….LoL not for any province though…

  • Comment 90, posted at 03.07.08 12:46:20 by Hmmm Reply

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  • I also have him at 91. My stats came from the Sharks site

  • Comment 91, posted at 03.07.08 12:49:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 89) :

    I am sure it does…

  • Comment 92, posted at 03.07.08 12:51:02 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) :

    That should be the most accurate…as the provincial sites get their detail from the provincial teams…

  • Comment 93, posted at 03.07.08 12:52:17 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 89) : @Hmmm (Comment 92) :

    However sites like the sarugby sites don’t have access to that detail…so I guess that is the reason they call the players…and merely ask them…

  • Comment 94, posted at 03.07.08 12:53:23 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 89) : is “medical dude” an official job title? ;)

  • Comment 95, posted at 03.07.08 13:04:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • yebo… I’m on Rob… :lol:

  • Comment 96, posted at 03.07.08 13:50:16 by bigg Reply

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  • @bigg (Comment 96) : welcome

  • Comment 97, posted at 03.07.08 13:57:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) :

    Yes…it is a term used especially in Durban…together with surfer dude….mother dude…sister dude…teacher dude…

  • Comment 98, posted at 03.07.08 13:57:20 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @bigg (Comment 96) :

    G? Is that you?

  • Comment 99, posted at 03.07.08 13:58:00 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 99) : yebo.. nice change but will take some getting used to. Nice site…@robdylan (Comment 97) : thanks

  • Comment 100, posted at 03.07.08 14:00:28 by bigg Reply

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  • @bigg (Comment 100) :

    As in the girl?

  • Comment 101, posted at 03.07.08 14:03:29 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 101) :

    Sorry….more accurately described as hot long legged girl…LoL

  • Comment 102, posted at 03.07.08 14:04:31 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 101) : are you mad… i’m a bloke. you might be thinking of someone else Big G is not me..

  • Comment 103, posted at 03.07.08 14:05:59 by bigg Reply

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  • @bigg (Comment 103) :

    Well I asked if you were her…did not say you were…
    And you said yes…I mean I did say G did I not….and I always called her G…invited her to the site a few weeks ago…
    You don’t really sound like a bloke…LoL :wink:

    And Big G is also a blond (depending on her shoot)…LoL but naturally a brunette…

  • Comment 104, posted at 03.07.08 14:16:16 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Nah I know you….you were always bigg and were often confused with Big g…it is just she changed her alias on keo and thought she changed it here too….

  • Comment 105, posted at 03.07.08 14:17:39 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Hallo Big G… :mrgreen:

    Adi weighs = 93kg

    Rob, Steyn nope… :grin:

    Well it’s actually Big Fish’s birthday 2day… :cool:

  • Comment 106, posted at 03.07.08 14:24:23 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 102) : Hmmmm – this is a different person. TRUST ME

  • Comment 107, posted at 03.07.08 14:25:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 106) : is it really? Shit – I didn’t know that.

  • Comment 108, posted at 03.07.08 14:26:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 107) :

    I know!??! ‘n kleurling oukie…

  • Comment 109, posted at 03.07.08 14:32:56 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 108) :

    Sies….and all you have is sharkgirls b-day…

  • Comment 110, posted at 03.07.08 14:34:13 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 106) : Big Fish is SHARKGIRL ? :shock:

  • Comment 111, posted at 03.07.08 14:34:30 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 107) :

    And you have not givin me any reason to trust you as yet!??!

  • Comment 112, posted at 03.07.08 14:35:03 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 112) :

    Although I must say you are not as touchy as you were at ruggaworld…
    Jinne you all were like crying about me every second day and then all of a sudden calling for me…def a love hate relationship…but I was giving all the love…LoL

  • Comment 113, posted at 03.07.08 14:36:59 by Hmmm Reply

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  • hi charlie… still trying to upload the picture. give me 10min

  • Comment 114, posted at 03.07.08 14:37:38 by bigg Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 108) : Jip, I won’t forget, was the last time a month to early… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 115, posted at 03.07.08 14:38:00 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 110) : not my fault Fish hasn’t put his birthday in properly.

    Wait a minute…. I can edit his profile. I’m like, überführersuperadmin in these parts ;)

  • Comment 116, posted at 03.07.08 14:50:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • Who likes my new profile pic….

    And the best part is it is of a fellow poster…

    It was a dif choice between which looks best….mine or hers…..LoL

  • Comment 117, posted at 03.07.08 14:58:39 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 116) :

    Ubersuper!??!

    Ok I must have not been online when all that happened….LoL

  • Comment 118, posted at 03.07.08 14:59:51 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @bigg (Comment 114) : Just remember this a family site… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 119, posted at 03.07.08 15:02:15 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 117) : I hope you have her permission to use that pic… otherwise, when she tries to sue me, I’m passing it straight on to you ;)

  • Comment 120, posted at 03.07.08 15:06:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 120) :

    I got that from the internet….so she cannot complain…
    And at 1.88 meters I don’t think she will bother to sue…she will just smack you…wel the both of us and maybe even at the same time…

  • Comment 121, posted at 03.07.08 15:19:45 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 121) : does she have big feet? Problem with tall girls is they always tend to have big feet

  • Comment 122, posted at 03.07.08 15:24:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 122) :

    On that pic her feet don’t look big….just a shame it comes out so small here….
    She has on high heels….and it don’t look big….she does have long silky legs though…

  • Comment 123, posted at 03.07.08 15:30:57 by Hmmm Reply

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  • My pic is still better though hey….LoL :lol:

  • Comment 124, posted at 03.07.08 15:32:28 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 124) : how do you make a picture smaller? mine are too big

  • Comment 125, posted at 03.07.08 15:36:20 by bigg Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 123) : dude – people like you end up with restraining orders in real life…

  • Comment 126, posted at 03.07.08 15:41:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @bigg (Comment 125) :

    Use picture editer (scan through teh icons to see this)…you can then crop a picture and reduce it’s percentage…saved it under a different name (that is if you want to keep the original)

  • Comment 127, posted at 03.07.08 15:42:05 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 126) :

    Well I guess I must be living a fantasy then…I take it you disagree…LoL

  • Comment 128, posted at 03.07.08 15:43:54 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @bigg (Comment 125) : just ask windows to resize them for you

  • Comment 129, posted at 03.07.08 15:44:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @bigg (Comment 125) :

    I guess that explains your alias….what is it that is soooo big that you need big pictures….

  • Comment 130, posted at 03.07.08 15:45:32 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 130) : family site! YIKES!

  • Comment 131, posted at 03.07.08 15:47:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 129) :

    But he might need to crop first else you will not see the actual pic cozz it is filled with trees/flowers/double bed/etc….

  • Comment 132, posted at 03.07.08 15:48:03 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 131) :

    What you on about!??!
    Jinne!!!!
    He might have a big nose or something….you have such a dirty mind!??!

  • Comment 133, posted at 03.07.08 15:49:32 by Hmmm Reply

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