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Long live the Bok


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content on 4 Jul 2008 at 09:23

On the eve of probably the biggest test apart from a World Cup final, I find it disgusting how immature South Africa rugby supporters and the media still are.

Rob asked me to do something for Sharksworld and I could think of nothing better than to try and remind us all why we support and love this game in the first place, and that it is perhaps time to grow up a bit.

The Boks take on the All Blacks this weekend in the land of the Long White Cloud with arguably the best chance to get one over the old foe in over a decade, and still immature little cry-babies cannot see past the colour barrier.

I am actually a bit tired of being politically correct all the time when I engage these people in person or online, because no matter what sense or logic you apply in your support for the coach and the team, you come up against a wall of excuses and backwards reasoning killing of any mature debate one might have on our team and its players.

I am a bit tired of constantly defending (well this is the perception) the coach, or certain selections. But I am mostly tired of hearing comments like; “I will support the All Blacks out of principle”.

You know what, if that is how you feel, then sod-off and go support them, SA Rugby and Springbok rugby does not need you, and I am tired of listening to you.

I have been involved in the game of rugby at levels other than just playing. I have been involved in commentating, administration and coaching and analysis and I only got involved with it in the last 8 or so years. But it is crystal clear to me now that the fact that I took this path, actually counts against me whenever I try and debate or discuss any issues within rugby.

In all my years, in the ‘New South Africa’ I have never come across a fellow ‘quota’ administrator, a ‘quota’ commentator, a ‘quota’ coach or analyst, and even a ‘quota’ player. Every single person I have met in rugby, was doing what they do simply because they love the game – it was/is their passion.

I have also been lucky enough to meet some of the current top provincial players and some Springboks, and even our current Springbok coach, Peter de Villiers – and I have never seen a bigger desire in any of them to fulfil their dreams of being involved with the sport they love passionately at the highest level, the Springboks.

I do however question the so-called passion some rugby supporters have when it comes to Springbok rugby.

So you know what, I see no point in trying to logically explain (read defend) that there is a good case for the selection of Conrad Jantjes. I see no point to list the great things Odwa Ndungane has done in this year’s Super 14 and how he was arguably the better of his already capped brother. Why try and highlight the magnificent, sometimes match-winning touches Adi Jacobs have showed in the last couple of years?

Why point out that experience is also vital in the selection of Bolla Conradie and Joe van Niekerk? Or why point out the great seasons props like Beast and Mujati had under the ELV’s which will be used in the Tri-Nations too?

Because I do see some logic, and some thinking, and some plan in those selections. Do I have to agree with all of them? Hell no, but not agreeing with it will make me no-less of a Springbok supporter.

Because at least I know that my Bok coach, yes mine (as it should be yours), have said to all that ‘wanted’ to listen that Springbok rugby is not about him, it is about the players and the country (us supporters) and if he could add to the legacy that has been going for over 100 years, he would have done his job.

Springbok rugby has outlived many people, its ethos and traditions has overcome many attempted hijacking’s from many pretenders of the ‘third force’ and you know what, it will continue to do so the day me and you no longer walk this earth.

Peter de Villiers, and the current crop of players are simply the current custodians of what we know to be Springbok rugby, and as he stated, his dream is to build on that legacy – not the one that started in 1992, oh no, Peter de Villiers is much more mature than that – he wants to build on the legacy of over 100 years of Springbok rugby, even though he was not allowed to be part of that legacy for a long time himself.

So go buy yourself an All Black or Australian jersey, support them all you want, because if that is the way you feel about a legacy that is bigger than you, then you are not adding one iota to it. And if you do not want to add to the legacy of Springbok rugby, then you do not deserve to be called a Springbok supporter.

My blood will remain green till the day I die, because I know tomorrow, win or lose, those guys over in New Zealand will give 150% for that jersey, that emblem and that legacy that they know, is bigger than them. And that is all I ever ask as a supporter, whether I agree with selections or non-selections, or not.

Go Bokke, go Peter – go kick those Kiwi’s asses!



155 Comments

  • Morne, thanks for expressing what I’m sure a lot of us have been feeling of late, especially in the late of some of the more ridiculous pieces that have been aired on other sites.

    Friends, this piece is far more political than what we would usually allow at Sharksworld, but you are all mature and understand what the rules are, so I urge you to be mindful of those when discussing the opinions above.

  • Comment 1, posted at 04.07.08 09:27:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • You are right Morne – rugby supporters in SA are generally fickle!

    I may criticise selections because I think we all have our favourites – but will ALWAYs support the Bokke, no matter what!

  • Comment 2, posted at 04.07.08 09:32:19 by Nessa Reply

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  • BOKKE!

  • Comment 3, posted at 04.07.08 09:36:13 by PJLD Reply
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  • Nobody is expecting anyone to agree with all the selections made by the SELECTORS…but since when is that the criteria for supporting your country anyway?

    Thanks for the article Morne bacause it saves us all a lot of time. You’ve said it all…now may all the positive energy be with the men who’ve been CHOSEN to represent our country in this difficult mission.

    Go BOKKE!

    IMPI! O! Nans’imp’iyeza!
    uban’obeng’athint’amaBHUBESI

    IMPI! O! Nans’imp’iyeza!
    uban’obeng’athint’amaBHOKOBHOKO!

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.07.08 09:40:07 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 4) : thanks… been trying to get those lyrics for a while.

    Care to translate ‘em?

  • Comment 5, posted at 04.07.08 09:46:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) :

    WAR ! We’re facing war!
    (but) Who can touch the lions?

    WAR ! We’re facing war!
    (but) who can touch the BOKS?

  • Comment 6, posted at 04.07.08 09:52:49 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 6) : shivers down my spine!

    Guys – I need to go to Reading for the day.

    Will catch you all a little later

  • Comment 7, posted at 04.07.08 09:54:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • Cheers RD – think I am also going to log off. Try and go home early so that I am better for the game tomorrow.

    Have a good weekend everyone.

  • Comment 8, posted at 04.07.08 10:03:47 by Nessa Reply

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  • Lekka lekka lekka soos n cracker.My bloed is groen….. en swart en wit…

  • Comment 9, posted at 04.07.08 10:16:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Bok Bok Bokke.

  • Comment 10, posted at 04.07.08 10:19:24 by Sauce Reply
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  • The most annoying thing is somebody who can’t decide who to support…ie a lot of Bulls supporters. I work with a few of them and whenever their team loses they just want to jump ship.. I will ALWAYS support the Boks as I will always support and have supported the Sharks. I remember watching a game at Loftus in the late 80′s when the Sharks where still in the B-division and got the hiding from hell… so what..I’m a Bok and Sharks supporter forever and proud of it.

  • Comment 11, posted at 04.07.08 10:20:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 11) : Say it loud! Say it clear :-)

  • Comment 12, posted at 04.07.08 10:22:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • Great stuff Morne… :wink:

  • Comment 13, posted at 04.07.08 10:38:23 by Charlie Reply

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  • Morne,

    Respect.

    Along with Stan, you’re a true legend of the SA Rugga Blogging world. For very different reasons of course :smile:

  • Comment 14, posted at 04.07.08 10:43:37 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • Oh yes, Boks to win 18-15

  • Comment 15, posted at 04.07.08 10:44:06 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • @saffa_bok (Comment 14) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 04.07.08 10:45:57 by PJLD Reply
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  • Did everyone take the day off or something?

  • Comment 17, posted at 04.07.08 10:52:28 by PJLD Reply
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  • @saffa_bok (Comment 15) : Boks to win 31-13 :cool:

  • Comment 18, posted at 04.07.08 10:53:38 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 11) : My words where not even cold and a Blue Bull supporter walks in and tells me what a hiding the boks are gonna get because of team selection…. Please Boks make him eat his words…it will give me the upmost of pleasure

  • Comment 19, posted at 04.07.08 10:58:54 by Pokkel Reply
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  • That is really sad Pokkel. :oops:

    I hope the Boks pull off a victory tomorrow…

  • Comment 20, posted at 04.07.08 11:07:00 by wpw Reply
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  • Well said Morne.

    Just one thing:
    “Why try and highlight the magnificent, sometimes match-winning touches Adi Jacobs have showed in the last couple of years?

    You wouldn’t happen to ahve a youtube clip of this somewhere would you?
    Could you name the game for me?
    ;-)

    Granted I dont see the justification in Adi’s selection but he’s not any poorer than any of the other contenders.
    I think he’s the best option to put in that position, I just dont think that that should be the case i.e. I think he’s the best option to put in there but I also think that he’s the weakest player in the backline, which belies an astonishing lack of depth at outside centre.

  • Comment 21, posted at 04.07.08 11:11:45 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • OK so how does it work now? Is there a new breed of All Black supporter out there, those that dont like the new coach and his selection policies or is this article aimed at those that have supported the All Blacks historically due to historical reasons.
    If it is the former (new) does it now mean that the latter (historical) are now Bok supporters, or are they both All Black supporteers now – that would be ironical and could be fun to watch when they meet in the stands – imagine barriers erected to keep SA All Black supporters apart from each other.

  • Comment 22, posted at 04.07.08 11:15:49 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 21) : Belies? You contradict yourself, my friend :-)

  • Comment 23, posted at 04.07.08 11:20:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hey poepols…

    Check this out
    http://www.thestar.co.za/?fSectionId=&fArticleId=nw20080703071631679C155377

    I think Smitty’s had a shocker there. Or perhaps the media are blowing it out of proportion.

    Don’t like Corne but he was just reporting on stuff.

  • Comment 24, posted at 04.07.08 11:21:53 by klempie Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 21) :

    Sharks v Crusaders Kings Park Durban. After the hooter try, sparked by none other!

    @Salmonoid (Comment 22) :

    I am sick of both to be honest. But you are right, there is a new breed out there and it would be great fun to watch them outside the stadiums and in the pubs together!

  • Comment 25, posted at 04.07.08 11:21:59 by MorneN Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 24) : I’m behind John on this one. Krige’s a disgrace and should quietly disappear

  • Comment 26, posted at 04.07.08 11:23:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • Die Burger

    Stephen Nell

    Wellington – It’s is a myth that Adrian Jacobs cannot hold his own on the defence in first-class rugby, says Springbok coach Peter de Villiers.

    De Villiers responded on Thursday to questions about the inclusion of Jacobs at outside centre for the Tri-Nations Test match against New Zealand here on Saturday.

    The selection of the Sharks midfielder came as no surprise but eyebrows were raised about the decision not to give the No 13 jersey to the bigger and stronger Frans Steyn. Even members of the New Zealand news media are surprised.

    De Villiers said Jacobs had made more tackles then anyone else in the Sharks’ last three Super 14 matches of the season.

    “It’s a myth that he is not a good defender. If you’re small and you come from South Africa, it apparently means you cannot defend.

    “Let’s wait and see what happens on the field. If we are proved wrong and facts can be put on the table, we can talk about it again.”

  • Comment 27, posted at 04.07.08 11:25:12 by wpw Reply
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  • If Tim Horan was a saffa he would probably never have played test rugby.

    And yet he is one of only a few players to win two RWC Winners medals.

  • Comment 28, posted at 04.07.08 11:26:44 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) :

    You never publicly criticise any current/former Bok player, coach or captain.

    Why do you think I dislike Watson so much for what he said about White, John and senior Boks a year or so ago?

    It is not done in my books Rob, sorry – no matter how crap a Bok captain Krige was.

    Personally I am disappointed in John.

  • Comment 29, posted at 04.07.08 11:27:15 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 25) : As I recall it was AJ that got Adi away from our 5m line… :wink:

  • Comment 30, posted at 04.07.08 11:27:22 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 30) :

    Adi cut the defense up though and put Odwa I think it was away…

    Oh and its YOUR 5 meter line, not mine! :lol:

  • Comment 31, posted at 04.07.08 11:29:09 by MorneN Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Just trying to bring an air of objectivity to this issue… :wink:

  • Comment 32, posted at 04.07.08 11:29:29 by klempie Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 31) : :shock:

  • Comment 33, posted at 04.07.08 11:30:51 by klempie Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 25) :

    One try? Seriosuly is that what you have?
    He’s got 12 test caps and the best you can do is to highlight one try in the Super14?

    Come on buddy, play with me here. At least attempt a justification.

  • Comment 34, posted at 04.07.08 11:33:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • wpw’s comment on the thread on a other site sums it up rather nicely

    # 6 wpw Reply to this comment Goto comment Report comment
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    When Krige had to speak out at Kamp Staaldraad he chose to remain silent.

    Now we can’t seem to get him to shut the hell up.

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.07.08 11:33:15 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 35) :

    Very true. lol wes.

  • Comment 36, posted at 04.07.08 11:34:31 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 29) : Yeah. Fair point. I like to pretend that Krige never deserted the captaincy, though. It helps me to justify my biased viewpoint :-)

  • Comment 37, posted at 04.07.08 11:34:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • Morne

    I have a problem with former players who cannot stop being critical of the current team.

    When PDV got the job as Bok coach Krige made a big fuss of his credentials and about the colour of his skin (AA appointment)

    And yet PDV has a similar coaching record to Jake White’s when he was appointed as Bok coach.

  • Comment 38, posted at 04.07.08 11:35:04 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 27) :

    Your defence really must be suspect, and one helluva lot of people must be talking about it if your coach feels it necessary to make a public statement about it.

  • Comment 39, posted at 04.07.08 11:35:33 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Ja Morne!

    Can you please ‘attmept’ a justification. :evil:

  • Comment 40, posted at 04.07.08 11:36:37 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) :

    Agreed.

    On a related matter – Jake has gone awefully quiet hasn’t he?
    Wonder if he’ll chirp up when PdV loses his first game?
    And let’s be realistic, when you play Nz and Oz 6 times a year, it’s going to happen sooner rather than later.

  • Comment 41, posted at 04.07.08 11:36:50 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I reckon John lost any respect he may have had for Krige in that water-filled pit. That shit doesn’t wash out. John is also a close friend of Rod’s, from what I can tell

  • Comment 42, posted at 04.07.08 11:37:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • Vinnie

    He responded to questions about Adi’s selection…

  • Comment 43, posted at 04.07.08 11:37:38 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 43) :

    Who responded brew?

  • Comment 44, posted at 04.07.08 11:38:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 44) :

    Understand now.

  • Comment 45, posted at 04.07.08 11:38:43 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) :

    Funny thing is that I think Krige wasn’t too far off actually.

    It’s just a pity it had to come from Captain Staaldraad.

  • Comment 46, posted at 04.07.08 11:39:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Rob

    And what is even more ridiculous is the fact that Krige never played test rugby against Rodney.

  • Comment 47, posted at 04.07.08 11:40:27 by wpw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 34) :

    I am not going to sift through videos on a Friday Vin! There are enough Sharkies here to bring up many more instances – although he was used as an impact player he almost always made a huge difference when coming on.

    @robdylan (Comment 37) :

    And I expect nothing less!

    @wpw (Comment 38) :

    Even Hoskins made comments like that wpw, so did 10 million supporters but it is very easy for all of us to lambaste one guy because he is more or less a celeb.

    It is a view, same as I had a view that I would not select either Peter or Heyneke but it does not make me any better or worse than anyone else.

    You know by trawling blogs how the media can distort things, and of course the media will want opinions of former Boks and even former captains – they are allowed to have one as any one of us, whether we agree with them or not.

    In fact his specific comment on Rodney I thought was sound.

    Another example I dislike Ollie le Roux as a person, but I love his attitude, his humour and his comments or opinions – aboslutely love it.

    @VinChainSaw (Comment 39) :

    Same as what I mentioned to wpw now, if the media asks the guy about it, which they obviously did, he is expected to answer – he did. Of course he will know the stats, because that is what he and his selectors look at when composing a squad of players in addition to combinations, game-plans, oppo, etc.

    I would expect Peter to know the recent stats of all players!

  • Comment 48, posted at 04.07.08 11:43:08 by MorneN Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 6) : Thank you for that! Almost johnny Clegg like! I am stoked well done BS :wink:

  • Comment 49, posted at 04.07.08 11:45:23 by Ragged Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 48) :

    Oh come on dude. Sift sift sift. You aren’t working today are you?

  • Comment 50, posted at 04.07.08 11:51:02 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ragged (Comment 49) :

    I was listening to Johnny on the train this morning.
    Really brightened up my day. Well brightened it up even more – it’s a glorious day today! Sun is shining, sky is blue. And it’s HOT!

  • Comment 51, posted at 04.07.08 11:51:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • And what is going on with the New Zealand rugby public. This morning there were still 2000 unsold tickets?

  • Comment 52, posted at 04.07.08 11:53:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 52) :

    Stadium is open-aired and most seating is uncovered and the forecast is for it to absolutely piss down tomorrow.

  • Comment 53, posted at 04.07.08 11:54:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • from rugbyheaven…

    “The All Blacks will be getting out their thermal clothing after admitting they misread the severity of the conditions for the Ireland test in Wellington.That was a night for polar bears, with rain and freezing temperatures, and more of the same is predicted for Saturday night’s Tri-Nations test against South Africa at Westpac Stadium.”

    hehe, should we be worried? is thermal underwear going to play an important role in this test match? do the Boks have thermal underwear/ :shock: :grin:

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.07.08 11:55:24 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 51) : Looks like it’ll rain later, thoug

  • Comment 55, posted at 04.07.08 11:58:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 52) : Yeh…same syndrome as being a Sharks supporter…LOLOL. They’re tired of the choking. Anyone compared Bulls/Province home support with Sharks home support?? :lol:

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.07.08 12:09:09 by klempie Reply

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  • RD….how many millions of rands did you lose in advertising in those five minutes of downtime just now?

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.07.08 12:10:34 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 57) : not a lot, but it pisses me off nevertheless. I’m going to be moving the site at the end of the season. It’s just too disruptive to try and do it now.

  • Comment 58, posted at 04.07.08 12:23:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • You are just looking to giv me work Vin I can see it!

    No luck today, my connection is also crap here, must be all the rain in CPT.

  • Comment 59, posted at 04.07.08 12:31:09 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 59) :

    Just trying to wind you up chum.

    Still don’t think you can claim Jacobs to be a star by any stretch of the imagination.
    At the very best you’d be able to convince me that he is adequate.
    He certainly isn’t close to the level of Conrad Smith or Jaque Fourie, even though I’m not really a Fourie fan.

  • Comment 60, posted at 04.07.08 12:37:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 60) :

    Nah he is not, not by a long shot, but as you mentioned, we are terribly thin in this department so he is adequate at least. In fact, I struggle to think of someone to be picked over him.

  • Comment 61, posted at 04.07.08 12:51:12 by MorneN Reply
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  • Damn, wish I had the time to spend on this thread a bit. Bloody work, no respect for rugby fans I tell you.

  • Comment 62, posted at 04.07.08 12:57:04 by Ollie Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 60) : nobody said he was Superman…but the man can do job…and probably better than anyone we have at our disposal right now.

    Thanks for stretching this thread Vinny but really why are we even having the Adi Jacobs discussion if YOU don’t even have a better play to take his position? That automatically makes him a STAR by your stretch of imagination.

  • Comment 63, posted at 04.07.08 12:57:14 by blackshark Reply

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  • Did you guys catch Johnny Clegg and Joan Baez singing Asimbonanga at the recent 46664 concert in Hyde Park. Magic, chicken meat stuff that.

  • Comment 64, posted at 04.07.08 13:01:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • JP Nel anyone??? :roll:

    Or maybe Dylan Des Fountain???

    :shock:

  • Comment 65, posted at 04.07.08 13:06:30 by wpw Reply
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  • Gus Theron

  • Comment 66, posted at 04.07.08 13:07:36 by PJLD Reply
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  • Salmonoid

    I quite enjoyed Eddie Grant… can’t believe Kurt Darren sang: Give me hope Johanna! :shock:

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  • Marius Delport

    Doppies Le Grange

  • Comment 68, posted at 04.07.08 13:08:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 64) : didn’t catch that performance…but Johnny’s always got a bag full of magic.

  • Comment 69, posted at 04.07.08 13:09:04 by blackshark Reply

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  • @PJLD (Comment 66) :

    @wpw (Comment 68) : :lol:

  • Comment 70, posted at 04.07.08 13:10:04 by blackshark Reply

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  • GO ADI, GO ADI, GO ADI !!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 04.07.08 13:14:37 by Charlie Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 63) :

    How do you come to THAT conclusion?

    That because there is nobody better he is a STAR?

    I freely admit he’s the best man for the job at the moment, mainly thanks to Waylon Murray not sticking his hand up and Fourie’s injury.

    But that doesn’t suddenyl mean his weaknesses are a myth and I think it would be folly to pretend otherwise.

    I was never looking to get inot a bunfight – I just wanted to counter the argument that he’s some sort of superstar that magically chanegs games. Because he simply isn’t that type of player.

    Now saying that he’ll probably have a stormer tomorrow… :lol:

  • Comment 72, posted at 04.07.08 13:15:01 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Jinne I cannot understand how people can support another country against their own…

    And the sad part is you get that in all colours…I know a lot of coloureds from Cape Province that support WP and AB…
    I also have coloured friends from George that support Bulls and AB…
    I have a white friend that has (since I have known him) supported the Bulls and the AB…

    And although I have had 100 arguments with each of them…I cannot understand how anyone can do that…rediculous…

    So I agree…..we don’t need any of them in the Bokke corner…

  • Comment 73, posted at 04.07.08 13:15:40 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Ragged (Comment 49) : sure thing mate, will play that before kick-off tomorrow…

  • Comment 74, posted at 04.07.08 13:17:21 by blackshark Reply

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  • Hmmm, what I dislike more is those that will the Boks to lose just because they don’t like the coach or or choice of a player.

    They are born complainers and will remain so for the rest of their lives.

  • Comment 75, posted at 04.07.08 13:18:29 by Ollie Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 72) : The “myth” are surely that many believe he can’t tackle so that actually means Jacobs does not make any tackles all, name any player that did not miss any tackles or a few in a match in their rugby careers… :roll:

  • Comment 76, posted at 04.07.08 13:20:16 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 73) :

    You cant use someone else’s picture as your avatar Hmmy!!!!

    Whatever happened to BIG?

  • Comment 77, posted at 04.07.08 13:20:48 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 72) : he’s some sort of superstar that magically chanegs games

    Don’t know about chaneging Vin :mrgreen: , must be one of your super-high standards…but IMHO Adi has changed a lot of games for the Sharks and his recent performances have certainly changed games for the Bokke. Regrettably I don’t have any youtube footage to back this and I’m actually struggling to recall specific moments…so maybe he doesn’t possess your kinda magic but he’s a good player.

  • Comment 78, posted at 04.07.08 13:23:14 by blackshark Reply

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  • Eddie Grant was amazing, and he’s 60 years old, I thought they would have to get security to remove him from the stage he was having such a jol.

  • Comment 79, posted at 04.07.08 13:25:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 76) :

    I’ve never actually ever heard anybody say “he can’t tackle”.

    I’ve heard guys say it’s the weaker part of his game though with his attack being much better than his defence.
    I struggle to counter that.

    I dont like anybody making a player into something he is not. It increases the pressure immensely on that player and inevitably leads to finger-pointing when he doesn’t deliver a 100% performance. Followed of course by quota alleagtions etc.

    Make no mistake – Adi Jacobs is the best man for the job currently in that position. But makign as if he is God’s gift to the backline will only end in tears.
    Recognise his shortcomings and play a game plan that maximises what he does well and minimises what he does badly.

    If de Villiers believes his tackling is superb then he won’t even try to protect Jacobs defensively. That, I feel, would be foolhardy.

    If the kiwis believe him to be the frailest tackler in the backs they’ll run at him. If de Villiers honestly believes his defence is as good as the rest of the backs then he won’t even try to counter this instead of trying to counter the fact that he’s probably the weaker tackler between him and Jean.

  • Comment 80, posted at 04.07.08 13:26:09 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Now saying that he’ll probably have a stormer tomorrow…

    Hey…Adi doesn’t play that way… :lol:

    But seriously I hope he has a good one tomorrow…not to reach your 5-star level :wink: … but in order to help the Bokke give me what would be one of the most memorable days of my life. Bokke!

  • Comment 81, posted at 04.07.08 13:26:52 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 78) :

    Agreed buddy and he wouldnt be playing boks or super14 rugby for this long if he wasn’t a decent player.

  • Comment 82, posted at 04.07.08 13:27:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 80) : makign as if he is God’s gift to the backline will only end in tears.

    I’m struggling to make him look like a star broer…so I don’t think I’d even try to go anywhere near God…let’s get that one straight.

    Recognise his shortcomings and play a game plan that maximises what he does well and minimises what he does badly.

    The reason we have the coaching staff is for them to devise a plan to make ALL our players LOOK GOOD …so the point you mentioned above doesn’t apply only to Adi but to each player in the 22. ALL players have weaknesses. But yes…that’s a good point.

  • Comment 83, posted at 04.07.08 13:33:10 by blackshark Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 80) : :wink:

  • Comment 84, posted at 04.07.08 13:33:59 by Charlie Reply

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  • If only we had someone of Fleckie’s abilities!!!

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 85, posted at 04.07.08 13:34:59 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 85) : Robbie Fleck…LOOK OUT !!! Deon Kayser’s behind you… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 86, posted at 04.07.08 13:36:33 by Charlie Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 83) : Agree :wink:

  • Comment 87, posted at 04.07.08 13:36:57 by Charlie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 85) :

    AMEN.

  • Comment 88, posted at 04.07.08 13:38:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Adi has been good…yes the Tahs really squared him up…and they scored 2 tries from his mistakes in the semi’s….but let us at least give him a chance to respond to that game in another tough one…
    If too many questions are asked again that he cannot answer at that level of intensity…then yes we should start relooking at him as a option at 13…

  • Comment 89, posted at 04.07.08 13:40:44 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 85) : Actually remember Robbie Fleck mentioned that he would love to have the oppertunity of playing with Adi Jacobs in the midfield… :grin:

  • Comment 90, posted at 04.07.08 13:41:54 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 89) : Fair enough…

  • Comment 91, posted at 04.07.08 13:44:10 by blackshark Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 80) : For this game we need horses for courses and tomorrow’s game in the rain is not gonna be great for running rugby. There is going to be lots of kicking and hard tackling and the backs will have to be able to do some rucking.Point being Adi is all we have in that position,but I would have played Steyn due to expected condition due to his size and kicking ability…Now before everybody reminds me….Yes I have heavily critized Steyn in the past and still thinks he need developing…but in those conditions I would have played Steyn

  • Comment 92, posted at 04.07.08 13:45:29 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 92) : Shit I had to retype that message 3 times… bloody touchpad :twisted:

  • Comment 93, posted at 04.07.08 13:47:11 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ollie (Comment 75) :

    I agree…..idiots…

    Like me and some of my friends often don’t like the choices….like when Mallet was set on selecting WP players who were not performing week in and out (Fleck/Monty/etc)…but non of us opted for a Bok loss…
    You not always gonna get what you hope for…but if we win!??! Is that not all that counts….

  • Comment 94, posted at 04.07.08 13:49:58 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 94) : You looking a lot better these days :lol:

  • Comment 95, posted at 04.07.08 13:51:29 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 77) :

    WHY NOT….I know it is a dif choice of which pic is better…LoL

    She is around…now goes under the name of Crikey something shark something on keo…you know she only posts there…

  • Comment 96, posted at 04.07.08 13:52:28 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 96) : I hope she sues you… :lol:

  • Comment 97, posted at 04.07.08 13:54:10 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 92) :

    I would’ve included Steyn simply for his boot if the conditions are as poor as predicted.

    Why would you not? Thankfully, thankfully he is on the bench.

    If the conditions are wet you’ll want to send that ball far upfield, take the line-out and pile in.

    The two biggest kickers in the game at the moment are boht on the bench in a game that might just descend into a kick-a-thon.

    I’ve also been very critical of Steyn in the past but anybody who can kick from 22 to 22 can chnage a game in these sorts of conditions.

  • Comment 98, posted at 04.07.08 13:59:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 97) :

    She’s a really good-looking young lady… she could sue me anyday…

  • Comment 99, posted at 04.07.08 14:00:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I first saw Steyn playing against WP in a soaking wet Kings Park and he was amazing – man of the match, and he called Gavin Cowley oom in the interview

  • Comment 100, posted at 04.07.08 14:10:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 100) : Was that kings park or newlands?

  • Comment 101, posted at 04.07.08 14:18:15 by PJLD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 100) : That is the first time I saw him as well, at flyhalf nogal. He totally dominated the game..Wasn’t he at a rugby academy in NZ or was it aus?

  • Comment 102, posted at 04.07.08 14:18:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 101) : Kingspark

  • Comment 103, posted at 04.07.08 14:20:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Kings Park
    He was at Murray Mexted’s academy in New Zealand.

  • Comment 104, posted at 04.07.08 14:25:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Oh hactic i remember that night was also storming in CT so i just assumed it was at nuweland

  • Comment 105, posted at 04.07.08 14:25:44 by PJLD Reply
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  • Murray Mexted’s Academy in NZ.

  • Comment 106, posted at 04.07.08 14:26:13 by wpw Reply
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  • Snap Salmonoid!

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  • @wpw (Comment 107) :

    You seem in high spirits for someone who is suppose to do ‘jama-drill’.. :wink: Going well, I presume?

  • Comment 108, posted at 04.07.08 14:29:10 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 99) : :mrgreen: just went to the fantasy league log to have a closer look…

  • Comment 109, posted at 04.07.08 14:31:32 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 107) : Wes where you watching the rugby?

  • Comment 110, posted at 04.07.08 14:37:01 by bigg Reply

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  • Eish I’ce.

    I help where I can but its a bit hard when one has to wake up at 5am every morning.

  • Comment 111, posted at 04.07.08 14:38:22 by wpw Reply
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  • Yes…it’s a good thing we have steyn on the bench…hopefully the conditions in the first half will be good for Adi…and if the rain comes down in the 2nd half Steyn can perform his magic tricks…

  • Comment 112, posted at 04.07.08 14:38:42 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 111) :

    As long as you try and help where you can….remember my advise WAY back when?? :wink:

  • Comment 113, posted at 04.07.08 14:39:50 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • Not sure bigg.

    Not even sure if I’m watching the rugby…

    Got a two week old baby to look after… maybe i can get him to watch the game with me… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 114, posted at 04.07.08 14:40:11 by wpw Reply
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  • Thanks I’ce.

    There’s a Baba Indaba coming up soon and I’m planning to surprise the wife wiff tickets.

    (what has my life become?) :roll:

  • Comment 115, posted at 04.07.08 14:41:42 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 114) : Congratulations on your new born boy! What’s his name?

  • Comment 116, posted at 04.07.08 14:43:16 by bigg Reply

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  • bs

    You obviously know that if Adi misses ONE tackle it will be blown out of proportion…

    But players like CJ can stuff up holy (read yellow card) regularly and yet never will their place in the side be questioned…

  • Comment 117, posted at 04.07.08 14:43:37 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 115) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    I was part of the GWR book World record attempt at one of those indaba things…how many preggie woman at one spot…LOL!!

    BTW – I am very proud to say that my little Sharks Flasher got 2nd princess in the Margate Miss Sardine competion… :grin:

  • Comment 118, posted at 04.07.08 14:43:51 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 115) : Hey buddy, when is it & where…my wife’s also pregnant, 15 weeks…Baby due 30th Dec… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 119, posted at 04.07.08 14:46:03 by Charlie Reply

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  • @I’ce (TKMITFM) (Comment 113) : Do you still log onto keo? As you know I didn’t blog for a while so what happened with Bliksem? I hear he faked his own death? LOL LOL.

  • Comment 120, posted at 04.07.08 14:46:10 by bigg Reply

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  • Daniel

  • Comment 121, posted at 04.07.08 14:46:58 by wpw Reply
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  • Was it not last year I’ce???

    I heard about that…

  • Comment 122, posted at 04.07.08 14:47:50 by wpw Reply
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  • @bigg (Comment 120) :

    Bigg – I have not blogged there…maybe mistaking me for someone? :wink:

    better check …does she talk a lot of rugga sense??? :grin:

  • Comment 123, posted at 04.07.08 14:48:18 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • @I’ce (TKMITFM) (Comment 123) : Sorry Ice that was meant for WPW…

  • Comment 124, posted at 04.07.08 14:49:14 by bigg Reply

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  • #118

    Well judging by the pics I’ve seen of her Mom I am not surprised… :cool:

  • Comment 125, posted at 04.07.08 14:49:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 122) :

    Yip…sometime last year…

  • Comment 126, posted at 04.07.08 14:49:55 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 117) : Do you still log onto keo? As you know I didn’t blog for a while so what happened with Bliksem? I hear he faked his own death? LOL LOL.

  • Comment 127, posted at 04.07.08 14:49:59 by bigg Reply

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  • Not sure what happened to him Bigg.

    He just disappeared. Maybe he changed his moniker… :?:

  • Comment 128, posted at 04.07.08 14:53:00 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 125) :

    Thanks Wes! I’ll take any compliment at my age!! :wink:

    @bigg (Comment 124) :

    No Prob!

  • Comment 129, posted at 04.07.08 14:53:10 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • Yep, the guys here dont know whether they are going to watch the game on Saturday but as true as nuts the baby indaba (whatever that is)is not going to be missed. Metrosexual maniacs :shock:

  • Comment 130, posted at 04.07.08 14:54:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 115) : Hey buddy, when is it & where…my wife’s also pregnant, 15 weeks…Baby due 30th December… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 131, posted at 04.07.08 14:54:57 by Charlie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 125) :
    She has got a hot mommy has’nt she.

  • Comment 132, posted at 04.07.08 14:56:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 131) :

    Stroes??? :grin:

  • Comment 133, posted at 04.07.08 14:57:22 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • @I’ce (TKMITFM) (Comment 133) : :razz:

  • Comment 134, posted at 04.07.08 14:59:06 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 134) :

    Stoute kaboute!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Congrats!!! :lol:

    Thanks Sammy Salmo.. :oops: :oops:

  • Comment 135, posted at 04.07.08 15:02:24 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • Thanx Ice :razz:

  • Comment 136, posted at 04.07.08 15:05:26 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 131) :

    Looks like there is a baby boom coming, my wife is due end of this month :grin:

  • Comment 137, posted at 04.07.08 15:12:31 by Ollie Reply

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    Get with the program dude!!! :evil:

    The Baba Indaba is one of the most NB events on SA’s social calendar (whatever that means) :roll:

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  • Well done Ollie.

    Do you know what you guys are expecting???

  • Comment 139, posted at 04.07.08 15:15:06 by wpw Reply
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  • Yep, sleepless nights :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 140, posted at 04.07.08 15:15:40 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 137) :

    you all got a special on “v” that we wifes did not know about?? :shock: :mrgreen:

    Congrats Ollie!

    @wpw (Comment 138) :
    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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  • :mrgreen:

  • Comment 142, posted at 04.07.08 15:18:06 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 117) : Tell me about it…

  • Comment 143, posted at 04.07.08 15:18:14 by blackshark Reply

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  • “v”?

  • Comment 144, posted at 04.07.08 15:18:43 by Ollie Reply

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  • @bigg (Comment 127) :
    I remember reading something on Keo about Bliksem that had managed to get the whole of Keo’s blogging community freaked out when he “committed suicide”. It came out quiete a while later that it was a hoax – apparently many people were pissed off and Keo instituted some measures to ensure that he doesnt get cyber blood on his hands again.
    There were some real crackpots over therea few years ago, still are but not as heavy.

  • Comment 145, posted at 04.07.08 15:19:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Don’ worry, got it, viagra.

    Nah, don’t need it…..yet

  • Comment 146, posted at 04.07.08 15:19:25 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 144) :

    viagra.. :oops:

  • Comment 147, posted at 04.07.08 15:19:58 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • Seriously fertile site this.

  • Comment 148, posted at 04.07.08 15:22:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Ice I think its time to change you pic to “the boep does Loftus” even if its only for today.

  • Comment 149, posted at 04.07.08 15:25:33 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Alrighty then!!!

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 149) :

    Salmo…i will see if I can find anything on my mac…they formatted it and took of all my pics I had….somewhere on a dvd now in this office… :roll:

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  • A slice of cool, fresh watermelon has effects similar to Viagra, researchers say.

    Watermelons contain an ingredient called citrulline that can trigger production of a compound that helps relax the body’s blood vessels, similar to what happens when a man takes Viagra, said scientists in Texas, one of the United States’ top producers of the seedless variety.

    Found in the flesh and rind of watermelons, citrulline reacts with the body’s enzymes when consumed in large quantities and is changed into arginine, an amino acid that benefits the heart and the circulatory and immune systems.

    “Arginine boosts nitric oxide, which relaxes blood vessels, the same basic effect that Viagra has, to treat erectile dysfunction and maybe even prevent it,” said Bhimu Patil, a researcher and director of Texas A&M’s Fruit and Vegetable Improvement Centre.

    “Watermelon may not be as organ-specific as Viagra, but it’s a great way to relax blood vessels without any drug side-effects.”

    Todd Wehner, who studies watermelon breeding at North Carolina State University, said anyone taking Viagra should not expect the same result from watermelon. “It sounds like it would be an effect that would be interesting but is not a substitute for any medical treatment,” Wehner said.

    The nitric oxide can also help with angina, high blood pressure and other cardiovascular problems, according to the study, which was paid for by the US Department of Agriculture.

    More citrulline – about 60 percent – is found in watermelon rind than in the flesh, Patil said, but that can vary. But scientists may be able to find ways to boost the concentrations in the flesh, he said.

    Citrulline is found in all colours of watermelon and is highest in the yellow-fleshed types, said Penelope Perkins-Veazie, a United States Department of Agriculture researcher.

    She said Patil’s research was valid, but with a proviso: one would need to eat about six cups of watermelon to get enough citrulline to boost the body’s arginine level.

    Watermelon is a diuretic and was a homoeopathic treatment for kidney patients before dialysis became widespread.

    Another issue is the amount of sugar that much watermelon would spill into the bloodstream – a jolt that could cause cramping, Perkins-Veazie said.

    The relationship between citrulline and arginine might also prove helpful to those who are obese or suffer from type-2 diabetes. The beneficial effects – among them the ability to relax blood vessels, much like Viagra does – are beginning to be revealed in research.

    Citrulline is present in other curcubits, like cucumbers and cantaloupe, at very low levels, and in the milk protein casein.

    The highest concentrations of citrulline are found in walnut seedlings, Perkins-Veazie said. – Sapa-AP

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 149) :

    now ol’ Rob needs to “review” it… :wink:

  • Comment 153, posted at 04.07.08 15:39:25 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • @I’ce (TKMITFM) (Comment 153) :
    Where is he?, he’s been very quiete this afternoon, propbably babysitting.

  • Comment 154, posted at 04.07.08 16:04:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 97) :

    I think she first klaps and then sues…

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