One of the best

Written by Jonathan Burt (VinChainSaw)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, Tri Nations on 13 Jul 2008 at 18:21

For everything that the Boks lacked last week, they brought it all along this week.

Last Saturday evening the Boks seemed bereft of any ideas, with no innovation shown whatsoever.

Yesterday, however, there was a sense of purpose and more than one indication that de Villiers and the Bok brains-trust have given good thought to a strategy and as to how to best utilise some of the new ELVs. All in the space of a week. Magnificent.

We saw good innovation in the line-outs and a perfectly effected set piece off the back of the scrum by Joe van Niekerk for Pietersen’s try.

It was everything that we were expecting last week when the Boks tails were up and they had much more time to prepare for the first test. But, all in all, I’ll take it much the same a week later.

So, first up, congrats to de Villiers, Muir and Gold. The improvements were remarkable, the drive was there and so was the direction. And the results are remarkable – you lot made history yesterday and it’ll got one helluva long way to silence de Villiers’ critics. Well done.

But while much praise is reserved for the coaching staff this all would never have happened with some serious dedication and motivation from the players. There were several who stuck up their hands starting with Butch who put last week’s demons behind him to deliver a superb performance. His restarts were as good as they get continuously putting New Zealand under pressure after they scored points. Continuously he was able to single out Andrew Hore and make him accept the restart on the side-line with the Boks closing them down there. Good planning and well executed.

Other notables were Adi Jacobs who seems to be improving every match, the large hard men in the engine room, being Bakkies and Matfield , and the man-van-staal himself, Schalk Burger.

If there was any doubt about who is the hardman in world rugby at the moment then Schalk Burger surely decided that when he demonstrated his impression of a brick wall to stop Ali Williams in his tracks. All round though Schalk was dynamic, involved, aggressive – in short, everything we love him for.

Then there was Ricky Januarie. Ridiculed not too long ago for attacking the pies in the off-season, dropped a few weeks ago for a disciplinary offence, he was superb. Biting around the fringes all game long, it was eventually a moment of genius on his part that was to be the difference between the two sides. Could this be the defining moment in Januarie’s career? Fourie de Preez is going to struggle to reclaim his place if that is the fact.

The players singled out above are by no means the only to have played well – I thought it was actually a pretty damned good team effort and easily the best I’ve seen the Boks play for a considerable amount of time. The players looked composed and calm and focussed on the task at hand. There was none of the niggle of last week and none of the distractions on the field, no matter how many distractions there were off the field during the week.

So now it’s on to Australia next week and then three in a row in the Republic following that. While the pressure has increased for the All Black’s it surely has been released on the Springboks.

Savour the moment lads and keep on doing whatever you started doing last Monday.

As for the game, well I thought it was a cracker and one of the best games, let alone tests, that I seen in years. It lacked the flurried intensity of last week but was just as physical and made up for this with a see-saw game that kept you on the edge of your seat until the last minute. A very enjoyable game to watch and I felt it very well-controlled by the referee with very little controversy. The sin-binning of Matfield I felt was undeserved on the basis of the tackle alone but with both teams on their last warning, the referee was boxed in and had no choice but to show him the door.

Yes, of course there are things to work on and areas to tinker, but this is as good as it gets. And suffice to say that de Villiers has done what no other Bok coach could do, win in Dunedin.

If I’d been asked before the tour to New Zealand if I’d be happy with one from two, I’d have smiled and answered definitely. The tour was a bit rocky to start off but we’re leaving New Zealand with the job done. This feels as good, if not better, than beating England in the final of the World Cup last year.

I haven’t given New Zealand any credit in the passage above and for that I must apologise. They were their usual excellent self and played incredibly well with a very inexperienced side. You expect no less from any kiwi side and this side is going to grow into a wonderfully successful team given time.

Well done to all concerned for providing a fantastic Saturday morning’s viewing pleasure, because it was a pleasure to watch that game.


  • I really enjoyed that game. A lot obviously because of the win but mostly because it was so damned close.

    It literally came down to one moment of brilliance to separate the two teams.

    Rugby gets no better than this.

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.07.08 18:25:11 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 1) : Agree. It was top drawer entertainment

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.07.08 18:40:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • Maybe tinkle should read tinker? :-)

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.07.08 18:41:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) :

    oops yes.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.07.08 18:44:24 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Great article Vinnie; agree with your take completely – hopefully people will get behind the team now.

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.07.08 19:40:49 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Wats gonna happen 2 pienaar when fourie returns

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.07.08 20:13:44 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply

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  • @Bok-Clyde-Kiwi (Comment 6) : Comes back to Sharks, one would hope. Plays flyhalf. Sets world alight. Etc

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.07.08 20:22:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good article vinnie. Another player who deserves credit is jp. He had a very good game + his defence was awesome…

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.07.08 20:46:29 by wpw Reply
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  • For the first time in ages I walked away from this test feeling “We could have scored 2X more tries”, had only Bismark passed to Habana and also had Jacobs straightened the line a little as maybe Pietersen would have got a second, whereas the AB’s only threatened the Boks line once and scored.Also if only we could handle the ball through as many fazes as the AB’s without knocking on or getting turned over. Pity about Bismark as our scrums were really good this week maybe the ref heard what the Boks were saying don’t think Britz brings that physicality to the game, also the Ausies are nicely rested after only having played a French 3rd Team and a few weeks off, so they are going to come out firing. The one good thing is this is going to be their first ELV International. Well I am looking forward to Saturday.

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.07.08 01:59:33 by Dynamite Reply

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  • Go Bokke & PDV…You were all absolutely fantastic…What a rugby spectacle…History had been made…South Africa no 1… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.07.08 07:35:05 by Charlie Reply

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  • G’Morning Sunshines!!!

    I just read a rather sad story about a fellow Sharks supporter..its in Afr though..,,3-975_2356913,00.html

    Well – can i say – well done Valke – those oukies still play as if they love what they are doing – if they were able to finish what they start – we’d be in big [email protected]!! :neutral:

    Well done GW…how was that kick??? :wink:

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.07.08 08:28:14 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • Oh and just heard Ol’ Mike Schutte has passed away this morning..shame..

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.07.08 08:30:34 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • Good morning everybody!

    @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 11) :
    Sad story that Ice. What a horrible thing to happen to any family.

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.07.08 08:37:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 13) : hi guys.

    You looked at the log today? ;)

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.07.08 08:43:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • It WAS greater than winning the RWC 2007( not better than 1995 ) and it again proves that this is the greatest rivalry in rugby. The RWC2007 would have been better had we beaten the AB’s in the final

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.07.08 08:49:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) :
    The CC or FL Log? :wink:

    Both looking good today. :lol:

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.07.08 08:52:40 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) :

    Rob – i only now realised what is meant by “fantasy” in fantasy league…I thought we had to choose our fantasy players… :oops: Damn stupid Blonde! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Yeah – i am topping the bottom once again….and its bottoms that got me there… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.07.08 08:56:16 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • So is PDV forgiven, or are his detractors on the “other side” still having a go at a coach that has achieved what no other Bok coach has????

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.07.08 09:15:18 by hellbent Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 18) : Hell yeah he’s forgiven :lol:

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.07.08 09:20:09 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @hellbent (Comment 18) : Let’s just face it…people will never run out of negative things to say. Keeping up with them will just be a waste of time.

    What a game of rugby it was. I’m so happy that at the end of the game I was up celebrating instead of coming up with new ways to try and belittle our team’s achievement. Well done to everyone involved…feel blessed that I witnessed that part of history being made. Here’s to more wins…BOKKE!

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.07.08 09:21:27 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 20) : PdV did what Jake White never could, good on him , but we need to maintain this. No use if we lose against the Wallabies this weekend. It seems like the guys are staying humble though.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.07.08 09:25:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 21) : I feel sorry for John Smit though, he still hasn’t won in NZ. Maybe next year

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.07.08 09:27:39 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 21) : The Wallabies will be a tough nut to crack, especially without our Top 2 hookers. But the boys have to maintain the class and commitment that they started to show on Sat…and the results should follow. 2 out of 3 from the road would be almost perfect.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.07.08 09:32:51 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 23) : There is never an easy game againt the Wallabies, but considering that they have only played Ireland( they should have lost that test if the Irish took there chances )and a 3rd rate French team , we should beat then and I will be disapointted if we lose. The Wallabies haven’t faced anyting as physical this year and we should now be battle hardend after 2 tests in NZ

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.07.08 09:38:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I was working Saturday and listened to the game on RSG via audio streaming. When Ricky scored that try I was hammering my fists on the desk in “achievement”. OWhen I saw the highlights it was weird to see PdeV doing exactly the same thing. hey for a moment there we were in synch, kindred spirits, if you want – needless to say I havent shaved my upper lip since Saturday.

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.07.08 09:43:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Vin…indeed. A fantastic game of rugby, to my mind this makes me feel a little better about the RWC. A win away in Australia would be an epic way to end the tour…i hope we will see the same kind of uncompromising rugby.

    What i do find most encouraging is the way we are using our ball off the set phase in a far more attacking manner, sweeping back line moves that are making space. Thrown in with our traditional strength.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.07.08 09:44:29 by Sauce Reply
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  • #25 – lol start a movement – show your support for Div by growing a handle bar tache

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.07.08 09:51:28 by Sauce Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 25) : Snormanoid ;)

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.07.08 09:52:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • What is all teh hype…it was a so-so game…

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.07.08 10:04:35 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.07.08 10:04:42 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 29) : You stand corrected. You just sour because the WP lost :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.07.08 10:07:46 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 29) : :roll:

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.07.08 10:08:00 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : :lol:

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.07.08 10:08:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 29) :

    Just messing…was a awesome game…

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.07.08 10:09:10 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Vinnie…
    Def a good article…on Butch though…the only kicking he did well was the kick-off…
    In the first 15 min he made 4 in-field kicking errors…and we ended up relying on more box kicks from January…who did a good job of them barring two that hardly travelled 10 meters…

    His defense was also poor…man alone responsible for the AB’s try for missing Conrad Smith…which was 1 of 3 times he missed the self same player….

    However…the kick-off’s gave us plenty of platform and could not have been better and the rest of his play was great…

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.07.08 10:11:15 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 31) :

    Hey don’t insult me….I ain’t Double-U-P…

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.07.08 10:12:17 by Hmmm Reply

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  • On Ricky…he made 1/2 kicking errors and 2 passing errors…but his defense and those snipes around the fringes keeping the AB’s honest and that try….oh that try…what did he do wrong again!??! Hard to think of anything else after that….

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.07.08 10:13:10 by Hmmm Reply

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  • JPP put in 2 very good hits….must say that impressed me…did nothing else though…

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.07.08 10:14:03 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 38) : he scored a try. Remember?

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.07.08 10:15:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • I thought Habana was poor again…
    Missing about 4 tackles…and made a good few handling errors…and yet again ran into 2 forwards and losing the ball…
    He has not shone under PdV as yet…yet to have a good game this year…
    He had 2/3 good games to the end of the S14…hope he comes right there too….

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.07.08 10:15:31 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Adi was great…to clear steps and break and good handling again…
    Hope his injury is not serious….

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.07.08 10:16:35 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) :

    Oh I still keep thinking that was Joe’s try!??!

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.07.08 10:18:31 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Percy…barring head butting the ball once and dropping it one other time…he really covered the spaces well and Carter did not have the freedom he had the previous week….and his goal kicking and punt kicking was great too….

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.07.08 10:19:21 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 29) :
    Wrong thread, your looking for WP vs Griquas.

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.07.08 10:22:47 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Joe…I mean to you really have to give a hospital pass a game and make sure your team mate gets trapped behind the rest of the team!??! Luckily you did not enter from the wrong side this time!??!

    But great game…no matter which side of the scrum you broke from…neither flank of the AB’s could cover you…and from 5 meters away…a def score….should have scored yourself I still say…JPP did not deserve it….

    Some great runs and really good defence again….especially on Rodney…

    But unfortunately in Perth…I’d like to se what Kanko can do…will still keep you in ahead of Spies…will keep you in the match 22 though…and drop Watson…

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.07.08 10:22:57 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Schalk…last week Woodcock learnt the hard way you just don’t put the head down and run into Schalk….and this week Ali learnt the hard way too…and 22 tackles…by far the most in the game….and you got your hand on the ball in every second/third ruck slowing it down well…which made a very big difference as the only part of the AB game we did not really have an answer for was when they were sending the ball from left to right…but you slowed the ball down just enough in every other ruck to allow our defence to reorganise….

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.07.08 10:27:04 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 36) : sorry :oops:

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.07.08 10:27:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 44) :

    NOPE….that was an awesome game too….

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.07.08 10:29:57 by Hmmm Reply

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  • CJ…I must admit…I did say he is not a good scrummiger and that he merely in the side for his versatility and that that was questionable….
    I take everything back…what a scrummiging performance…and he got the right shoulder on Woodcock 3 times….
    Guthro…just kept on playing well and being solid from last week….also great defence from him….

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.07.08 10:31:21 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 45) : What the hell did Watson do.. Jake was right he is no better than an average Super 14 player

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.07.08 10:32:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Bismark was awesome again….I think he is playing better than Smit…
    It is like they were never going to pull him down when he took off running…one really dumb error when going for the ball after Percy’s head butt…but that was about it…

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.07.08 10:33:00 by Hmmm Reply

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  • See below one of the comments by a blogger on Keo regarding Fluke no 46

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    Why i hate Watson ……

    I have just watched and analysed Watson’s performance for the last 20mins of the game and he did absolutely nothing. If hanging around the fringes, complaining to the ref and pretty much just watching the game counts, then he should get 10 out of 10.

    Besides that though I did notice something that will help the few of you out there who do support him, understand why us detractors do not enjoy this idiot.

    Go back to precisely the 80th min of the game. Watson is lurking around the fringe and decides to go defend the blind side. Watch him in the bottom left hand side of your screen as he attempts to throw some verbal abuse at Boric opposite him. Who does this prick think he is. There we are, 2 pts in the lead against the All Blacks in Carisbrook, the final hooter has gone and there is our flank shouting the odds to the opposition, not concentrating on the ball or the game. Cock.

    Anyway the game carries on and it seems Carter is lining up a drop kick. As the kiwi scrummy sends the ball to carter in the pocket there is Watson waving his arms in the background. Juan, Ricky, Jean, Andries and the rest of the o’s are playing their hearts out putting pressure on carter and there is our flank with fresh legs waving his arms around just watching.

    The final whistle goes soon after and fluke raises his arm. Nobody goes to celebrate with him and trudges off into the background to shake hands with the Kiwis. He is nowhere. Sadly i think the rumours about him shoving his nose up PdV’s balloon knot must be true cause there is no way he deserves to be a Bok, end of story

    I agree :evil:

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.07.08 10:33:11 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Hmmm

    I’ve decided to scroll past your comments.

    Just thought I’d let you know…

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.07.08 10:34:02 by wpw Reply
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  • Steyn…did not ask as many questions of the AB’s this week as he did last week…but also made no errors…was strong in defence…and kicked well in spite of the wind…maybe just learn how to kick lower in the wind as one or two of those punts stopped in midair and fell to the ground…
    Great conversion kick under the greatest of pressure…and that final pick-up of that ball when the hooter went…I though…oh no 4 AB’s and only Steyn…here they going to take the ball off and run at us like no tomorrow and we only 14 players…good chance of getting through and we losing it in the last minute….
    But you just pumped those legs and fought like you were fighting for survival and they never got the ball away nor did they get you to ground…10 meters later your team mates joined…went to ground…recovered the ball from the ruck and we all know the rest….

    Those two incidents were well worth mentioning….

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.07.08 10:39:36 by Hmmm Reply

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  • He did at least steal 1 ball when he came on this time…last week he was just plain poor and we could blame the scrum but Joe was still good in spite of that….

    Other than that I’d rather play Joe and Kanko as 3rd and 4th loosie…I’d even start Joe at 7 with Kanko at 8 against the Ausies…with Juan on the bench…
    Joe will cover for 6/7/8 in case of an injury….

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.07.08 10:42:29 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 53) :

    I don’t comment for you…so no worries here man…you don’t even have to let me know…
    And I can understand why…I don’t praise Double-U-P players enough…but sorry man…I gotta be honest hey…
    But then again…Schalk/January/Percy….I do give credit where due…

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.07.08 10:45:08 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 49) :

    Oh yeh….now that WPW commented…how could I forget…I almost got a heart-attack when Mujati ran on…only to realise that it was a blood bin…I was very very relieved…and even more relieved when we did not have to scrum…

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.07.08 10:46:57 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 54) : I didn’t sit for the last 15 min of the game and my wife seriously warned me against a heart attack, but wasn’t it great, the sheer ecstacy. Sorry getting carried away

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.07.08 10:49:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 48) :
    Only if your a Griquas supporter.

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.07.08 10:50:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I break into the top ten of the Fantasy League…
    I am now in 9th spot…and had my second best week thus far…

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.07.08 10:58:45 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 58) :

    Yes it was…did not know how it was going to end…could not help thinking we lead NZ in NZ several times before at the end of games and lost…but this time….WoW…we did it…
    Well done PdV….and glad to see his greatest concern in the post match interview was that the players feet remain on the ground…and not get carried away by the win….

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.07.08 11:00:42 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 59) :

    Was a great game if you are a anti Double-U-P supporter too…

    Nah…I was hoping for it so that the LIONS can move to 3rd spot on the log…and that Griekwas no 8 (I think his name is Wyne van Heerden) put in some massive hits…jinne he knocked those WP players back…
    Bobo put in two good inside passes putting players into gaps…but other than that he was nowhere….very pedestrian…
    And the fact that he said the only difference was that they were “out passoined” in the interview afterwards was a concern…it is the captains duty to get the players heads into it….
    Newman looked good at 13…he just needs a proper 12….and they need Fiji back and they will have a far more competitive backline….

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.07.08 11:04:46 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Earl Rose is now overall MVP… De Waal has had 2 KAK weeks

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.07.08 11:23:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) :

    I noticed…

    Is Hougaardt going over without playing any other CC games?
    Cozz then I regret taking Morne out and adding him….I actually already do…

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.07.08 11:30:15 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Hey Rob!

    Howzit Bru??? :wink:

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.07.08 11:35:27 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) :

    He has scored me my most points…obviously he is MVP…but I have De Waal as well so he needs to do well too…

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.07.08 11:42:27 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 65) : lekker tjom.

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.07.08 12:10:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nice one Vinnie.

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.07.08 15:05:25 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 68) : you did some good work this morning as well!

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.07.08 15:08:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) :

    Oh ja you saw? Actually just checking the responses out now… Laughing my ass off to be honest.

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.07.08 15:19:39 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 70) : well, you know what they say about pearls and swine, don’t you? ;)

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.07.08 15:22:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • I am going to post a few voting poll’s on here around the first two games of the trinations…
    These are voting results off SuperBru…it does not show how many have voted though…

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.07.08 16:21:28 by Hmmm Reply

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  • The main reason for the Boks’ defeat in Wellington was:
    Referee Stuart Dickinson
    The Boks simply aren’t good enough
    Poor tactical substitutions by coach Peter de Villiers
    John Smit’s early departure

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.07.08 16:21:50 by Hmmm Reply

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  • How do you see the second Tri-Nations clash between New Zealand and South Africa panning out?
    Boks to win by 7 or more
    Boks to win by less than 7
    All Blacks to win by 7 or more
    All Blacks to win by less than 7
    A draw

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.07.08 16:22:10 by Hmmm Reply

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  • The Boks’ victory in Dunedin was:
    Hard-fought and well deserved
    Thanks only to a moment of inspiration by Ricky Januarie
    As a result of NZ fielding their weakest team in ages
    The first of many over the All Blacks

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.07.08 16:22:34 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Who will win the 2008 Tri-Nations?
    All Blacks

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.07.08 16:23:00 by Hmmm Reply

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  • It seems after Saturday South Africa are clear favorites….
    The competition is still too long for that I am afraid…and only after Saturday’s result can they start setting favorites…and then still anything can happen…we are talking Aus/NZ and SA here….as can be seen any team can bounce back well….

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.07.08 16:23:46 by Hmmm Reply

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  • The best part is how the results changed…very drastically from the first poll…..

    From simply not good enough to favorites to win the 3N!??!

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.07.08 16:25:11 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 78) : i thought you couldn’t log in?

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.07.08 16:32:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) :

    I could not…it said to me I was logged in but when I clicked onto a thread it said I need to be logged in to make a comment…when I click on the link it said I was logged in as Hmmm…after refreshing the life out of my laptop it eventually produced a comment box….

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.07.08 16:36:05 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 76) :

    I think that is a bit harsh on the Ausies as they are yet to play a 3N’s game…

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.07.08 16:37:06 by Hmmm Reply

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  • How is this for a different view from ours!??!

    Bismarck ‘got off lightly’2008-7-14 08:58Greg Growden

    Sydney – According to Sydney Morning Herald columnist, Greg Growden, the Sanzar judicial system was on Sunday under scrutiny for being too lenient after Springbok hooker Bismarck du Plessis was suspended for only one Tri-Nations match after being found guilty of attacking the eyes of All Black forward Adam Thomson.

    Du Plessis will miss the Australia v South Africa Test in Perth on Saturday night after being suspended for three weeks for an incident in the 11th minute of last Saturday’s Test in Dunedin.

    Du Plessis was cited by Sanzar commissioner Dick Byres “for contact with the eyes or eye area” of Thomson. The Springbok front-rower appeared before judiciary officer Kim Garling in Dunedin on Sunday.

    Video replays of the incident clearly show Du Plessis grinding the knuckles of his left hand into Thomson’s left eye while both were at the bottom of a ruck.

    Thomson had the ball, but that was nowhere near his face. Du Plessis clearly attacked Thomson’s eye, prompting the New Zealand television commentators to say that the All Black was “getting the eye treatment”.

    International rugby judiciaries are supposed to treat eye gouging harshly, as shown when Italy flank Mauro Bergamasco was recently banned for 13 weeks for gouging the eye of Wales fullback Lee Byrne during a Six Nations match.

    However, the Sanzar judiciary let Du Plessis off very lightly. A Sanzar statement last night said that at the hearing, Du Plessis acknowledged that his fist had come into contact with Thomson’s lower cheek and then, as it rolled across his face, his left knuckle appeared to come into contact with the face near the eye area, but did not come into contact with his eye.

    Du Plessis’s legal counsel, Robin Bates, said the contact was momentary and had come about through a series of factors, including the impact of another player locking Du Plessis’s arm in the ruck. He said the contact, while careless, was not deliberate.

    Garling determined that there had been contact between Du Plessis’s left hand and Thomson’s face, as conceded by Du Plessis. He also concluded that the contact was careless and not deliberate.

    In delivering his findings, Garling said: “Any action by a player in which fingers, a hand, or a knuckle comes into contact with the eye or eye area of a player is very serious and the IRB-recommended penalties reflect that.”

    Garling added that this was the first blemish in Du Plessis’s career, and that the hooker was highly regarded by his peers.

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.07.08 16:48:03 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 82) :

    Hope they don’t think Thorns was ligit!??!

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.07.08 16:51:11 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 82) :

    And I don’t know how someone can be guilty of eye gouging if he does not actually touch the eye!???!

  • Comment 84, posted at 14.07.08 17:01:48 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Hoskins fumes at Bismarck ban2008-7-14 10:57Perth – South African Rugby Union president Oregan Hoskins barely tried to disguise his anger in Perth on Monday after Bismarck du Plessis’s three-week suspension added insult to the injury of Springbok skipper John Smit.

    Smit will play no further part in the Tri-Nations after having to undergo surgery for a groin damaged in the Brad Thorn spear-tackle – deliberate, off the ball and after the whistle – which resulted in the All Black lock receiving a one-match suspension.

    The fairness of the Sanzar judicial system has now been placed under the full glare of scrutiny after Du Plessis was suspended for three weeks for “careless, not deliberate, contact with the eye area” of New Zealand flank Adam Thomson.

    The Springboks did not appeal the finding of Australian judicial officer Kim Garling but that was not because they were content with his finding.

    “We certainly thought about an appeal, but it would have been a logistical nightmare before a very important game,” Hoskins revealed on Monday.

    “It would have kept a player there in New Zealand for a couple more days unsure of whether he would be playing and a coach sitting here unsure of whether to include him in his plans or not.”

    ‘Extremely harsh’

    Hoskins said he was far from happy with the sentence handed down to the Springbok hooker and said he would definitely be raising the fairness of the whole judicial system at a Sanzar meeting in Perth later this week.

    “It would be remiss of me to remain silent because I believe the sentence was extremely harsh. I was quite shocked by the outcome of the hearing and I’m concerned about the whole system and its consistency. I will table those concerns with Sanzar this week,” Hoskins, a lawyer by trade, said.

    “I complained at the World Cup last year about the treatment of Schalk Burger [cited and banned for four matches for a high challenge, reduced to two on appeal] and Tim Gresson, the head of the IRB judicial committee, conceded later that I was correct.

    “But I don’t want to hear that I’m correct, I want to see the system being corrected,” an angry Hoskins said.

    The role of television producers who also selectively choose which replays to broadcast and therefore bring them to the citing commissioner’s attention was also going to be taken further by Hoskins, who has served on disciplinary committees himself, including at international level.

    “I’m certainly in favour of a clean game and I believe we should be given as much information as possible on foul play. But we must not have selective information.

    ‘Cooked-up charges’

    “Showing slow-motion replays on a selective basis is tantamount to bias and prejudice, and I will be raising that matter too with South Africa’s two Sanzar judicial commissioners, Janne Lubbe and Lex Mpati,” Hoskins said.

    Hoskins also slated the cooked-up charges against Du Plessis, saying he “honestly believes he is not guilty”.

    “I’ve watched that replay for hours on super slow-mo. The fact that it was not deliberate, coupled with the fact that it did not cause any injury, means he should have been given the benefit of the doubt and found not guilty.

    “There is a third factor to take into account and that is it was Thomson’s own teammate, Jerome Kaino, who played a role in the incident. Kaino hooked Bismarck’s arm and dragged it across Thomson’s face before pushing him over.”

    Hoskins said there was a strong contradiction between the treatment meted out to Thorn and Du Plessis.

    “Just last week, our captain felt he had been spear-tackled and because of that he’s out of the whole Tri-Nations. But the guilty party was only suspended for one match.

    “There’s a helluva lot of inconsistency creeping in and it’s not good for the game. It’s totally unacceptable for us to put up with this,” Hoskins said.

    The Sanzar judicial officers are all top-class legal minds who have also been involved in rugby for many years, but at the moment their decisions make one seriously wonder. It’s been a bit like someone killing a dog and getting sentenced to six years in jail, while someone else commits murder and gets locked up for two.

  • Comment 85, posted at 14.07.08 17:09:15 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 82) : @Hmmm (Comment 85) :

    The one says the judicial system is under scrutiny for Bismarks ban being to light and the other says it is cozz Bismarks ban is too severe in light of the Thorne incident….

    I guess there is no need in saying what all South Africans take on it will be…

  • Comment 86, posted at 14.07.08 17:11:56 by Hmmm Reply

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  • ‘That’s just the way they play’2008-7-14 09:37Dunedin – All Blacks’ shining light Daniel Carter will be relieved to switch his focus to the Wallabies after enduring a second weekend as the Springboks’ favourite rugby target.

    Carter’s impeccable boot threatened to single-handedly beat South Africa in Saturday’s Tri-Nations Test at Carisbrook but he proved he was human with two late dropped goal misses as the South Africans clung to a famous 30-28 win, reports the NZ Herald website.

    Before turning attention to his 50th Test, against Australia in Sydney in two weeks, New Zealand’s gun playmaker reflected on a Tri-Nations Test that he believed his team let slip.

    He was also irritable at being singled out for more niggling treatment from the Springboks, even if it wasn’t as blatant as during the first Test at Wellington the week before.

    “There were still a few situations there and the touch judge and ref picked up a few – a bit of off-the-ball play,” Carter said.

    “It is frustrating when you’re looking to support after a pass and you’re getting knocked over. That happened a few times again but that’s just the way they play.

    “They really concentrate on intimidating you physically. It’s always been a part of their game, more so than other teams.” The Springboks’ in-your-face approach and the sizzling late try to their halfback Ricky Januarie proved the difference in a Test where Carter kicked 23 points.


    With the rebuilding All Blacks crossing for just two tries in 160 minutes against South Africa, Carter shapes as comfortably the major threat to the Wallabies.

    The 26-year-old will appreciate not having the same smothering green line in front of him although felt the All Blacks could have overcome it if they didn’t stray when the heat went on.

    “We’ve got to stick to the game plan a bit better. We can’t keep giving them lineouts and easy penalties like we did or else you get punished,” he said.

    “We had to keep the ball in play but at times we didn’t and that’s what they function off, lineouts.”

    There were times when Carter felt his side could put the world champions away for a second week but they paid for slackening off during crucial periods.

    “That’s something we’ve really got to work on. Once you get ahead you’ve really got to nail it,” he said.

    “We kept letting them back in the game with silly penalties.” While Carter controlled another mostly impressive outing for the All Blacks backs, the inexperienced pack lacked authority against a South African forward display vastly improved from Wellington.

    ‘We’ll learn a lot’

    Locks Anthony Boric and Kevin O’Neill, boasting two caps between them, struggled to combat Victor Matfield at lineout time while the Springboks’ scrum and driving play was streets ahead of Wellington.

    “It is a young All Blacks side and we’ll learn a lot and look to bounce back from this,” Carter said.

    “The way we played in the second half was real credit to a lot of new, young faces out there.” However, reserve No 8 Sione Lauaki, who scored New Zealand’ only try, believes inexperience should never be an excuse used by the All Blacks.

    “You can’t really say it’s a young team and stuff like that,” Lauaki said.

    “When you pull on the black jersey it’s no excuses. You’ve just got to be proud and just man up.” Hansen disagreed, believing the likes of Boric and O’Neill would never forget the game.

    “You just can’t buy time in the saddle,” Hansen said.

    “Both the boys showed a lot of courage. We’ve just got to get them out there and play and that game will be worth 1000 training runs to them probably.”

    ‘That’s a competition’

    Matfield sounded a warning to New Zealand and Australia that his side had refocused their goals after the previous week’s disastrous display in Wellington. Adding to the trophy cabinet is suddenly a genuine goal.

    “We’re very proud of the World Cup last year. We’ll be world champions for four years but that’s a competition that’s in the past and we need to focus on winning the Tri-Nations,” Matfield said.

    All Blacks backs coach Wayne Smith said Januarie’s try only served to highlight the Springboks’ ability to strike in a team who base their play around forward muscle and swarming defence.

    “They made a brilliant play at the end and came out with the spoils,” Smith said.

    “We’ve got young men playing under intense pressure, who I think fronted and played pretty well.

    “You’d like to be able to shut them down at the end but they got a couple of bounces, they scrambled the ball away and all of a sudden you’re under a bit of pressure.”

  • Comment 87, posted at 14.07.08 17:17:47 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 87) :

    I cannot make out if he is crying about it or not….sure sounds like he is crying about it…
    I did not pick up one incident of foul play…well I don’t view Bismarks incident as foul play as it was adjudicated not to have been deliberate….

  • Comment 88, posted at 14.07.08 17:20:02 by Hmmm Reply

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  • “You’d like to be able to shut them down at the end but they got a couple of bounces, they scrambled the ball away and all of a sudden you’re under a bit of pressure.”

    Sounds like a perfect description of AB normal play :lol:

  • Comment 89, posted at 14.07.08 17:21:37 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 88) :

    Like Butch didn’t get any off the ball treatment either. Favours were swapped if you ask me

  • Comment 90, posted at 14.07.08 17:22:44 by Ollie Reply

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  • And Lauaki…oh my what a wet-willy outcry that was….I mean Victor clearly grabbed him around the left shoulder and he slid under the arm (the arm did not even slide up)….then went on like a lil primary school girl being bullied by a big fat high school bully….

    What a fagget….

  • Comment 91, posted at 14.07.08 17:22:50 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 89) :

    Yeh for sure….

  • Comment 92, posted at 14.07.08 17:24:07 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 90) :

    And I would think the AB’s had more deliberate incidents….

  • Comment 93, posted at 14.07.08 17:25:35 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 91) :

    Vics metal arm plate pinched must have pinched Luaki :lol:

  • Comment 94, posted at 14.07.08 17:26:24 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 94) :

    Oh yeh I forgot about his ferocious steel arm plate…

  • Comment 95, posted at 14.07.08 17:30:15 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Deans warns of rampant Boks2008-7-14 07:43Sydney – The Wallabies have been warned that despite South Africa enjoying their first win in New Zealand in 10 years, the Springboks will not be putting their feet up in the next Tri-Nations match in Perth on Saturday night.

    Despite the Springboks’ 30-28 triumph in Dunedin, their first at the House of Pain, which has relieved the pressure on the much-criticised new South African coach Peter de Villiers, his Australian counterpart Robbie Deans argued on Sunday they would be anything but complacent at Subiaco Oval.

    When asked if the Springboks may just be happy with one away Tri Nations victory after gruelling back-to-back Tests against the All Blacks, Deans seemed genuinely surprised, before remarking: “They’re desperate. They’re desperate every time they hit the ground. It’s been that way from the beginning of time.

    “There is no chance of it happening with that experienced group of players,” Deans added before heading to Perth on Sunday. “If you had an inexperienced group, you might have been able to suggest that they may fluctuate, but experienced groups just get hungrier with every feed they have.”

    And it was clearly evident that the Springboks’ senior group, which was instrumental in winning last year’s World Cup, have a major bearing in how this team performs. Since de Villiers took over this year, it has often been inferred that the senior group has a bigger bearing on how the show is run than the head coach.

    This was on show from the 73rd minute when with the All Blacks ahead by 25-23, Springboks captain Victor Matfield was sinbinned for a high tackle. Despite being down a highly experienced player, the South African hard heads rallied, and through a spectacular individual effort by halfback Ricky Januarie were able to score the winning try in the final minutes.

    Death knell

    Deans said how the Springboks rebounded at that moment was a strong indication to the Wallabies that this was a special and unpredictable, opposition.

    “They’ve made a bit of progress in terms of their combinations,” Deans said. “They hung in the game well, because for a stretch they looked like they were gone. But they never relented. That was most evident when Victor Matfield was sinbinned. For most teams, that would have been the death knell. But the courage they showed to get up and get home, and that they kept looking for opportunities, is a trait which is invaluable.”

    What will also change for the Wallabies as they prepare for their first Tri-Nations match is the level of intensity.

    “What we are entering is going to be significantly different to what we’ve been in. The contest is at another level in terms of physicality and speed,” Deans said.

    “What is so evident is that we have to play for 80 [minutes]. There will be no scope to relax. They are the world champions, and you don’t achieve that lightly.

    “They were also prepared to use the width of the ground, which is a bit of a growth for them. They also have capabilities across the park, and its only because they threatened those outside channels that the inside one opened up ultimately. And they kept attacking.

    “In the past, when they went in at half-time, they probably would have just come out with a conservative approach, and attempt to squeeze the life out of it.”

    Deans said that while all the Wallabies squad members who appeared for their Sydney clubs on Saturday were not troubled by injury, it was unlikely second-rower Dan Vickerman, who played with Sydney University in his first game since ankle surgery, will be considered for the Perth Test.

    “Dan’s had a good week, because he’s increased his volume significantly,” Deans said. “And he’s not altogether comfortable. We didn’t anticipate he would have even played at this stage. But he got 80 minutes. So he’s ahead of schedule, but it’s possible we won’t consider him for this Test.”

  • Comment 96, posted at 14.07.08 17:36:15 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 96) :

    I don’t like it when other coaches talk us up like this…
    Hope it does not have it’s usual negative impact on our game…

    Go BOKKE…you can win in Perth…

  • Comment 97, posted at 14.07.08 17:37:19 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Re-watching the game and Carter pulled off such a soccer oscar performance after Jacobs gave him a very light love tap for the penalty that made it 15-17!!! Translate the word ‘side’ in Afrikaans and that’s what he is!

  • Comment 98, posted at 15.07.08 00:04:45 by Superwors Reply

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  • @Superwors (Comment 98) : Kant? Is that a rude word? :-)

  • Comment 99, posted at 15.07.08 07:48:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • I don’t know about the “talking-to-himself” thing that Hmmmm has going on… :???:

  • Comment 100, posted at 15.07.08 08:28:58 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 99) : If you say it with enough emotion of course!

    Have you seen this group on fbook:

  • Comment 101, posted at 15.07.08 09:06:36 by Superwors Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 96) :

    Dean’s analysis of how the Boks played on saturday is spot on… this is not just talking up the South Africans, he understands why the gap opened up for Ricky and why we ultimately won … thanks for posting this article Hmmm

  • Comment 102, posted at 15.07.08 10:30:00 by spykerbaard Reply

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