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Why it is so disappointing


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 22 Jul 2008 at 18:37

A reporter is not supposed to be a supporter, and I explained this to a Springbok who was upset at something I had written in a New Zealand newspaper during the 1994 tour of that country.

Gavin Rich writes in his Superrugby Column that there are however times when the distinction gets fudged, for while the profession calls for objectivity, we are also patriotic people. I take a constant ribbing from a certain “reporter” who noticed tears in my eyes when the Springboks were celebrating their World Cup triumph in Paris last year. Those who care to go back and read the column I wrote the following morning will probably note that the emotion didn’t just last for few minutes, either.

After being so close to the Bok World Cup win just eight months ago, and after seeing the enormous potential of this experienced team that should now be approaching the zenith of its powers and the peak in its maturation process, it is hard now to hide the frustration at seeing those same players losing matches that they should win.

There seems to be an attitude adrift that somehow it is okay for the Boks to be losing away test matches in Australia and New Zealand, and I even pick up a sense from some of my fellow writers that coming back with five log points is more than should have been hoped for at the start.

But if that is the attitude, then those people clearly never saw the Boks as worthy world champs, and they don’t rate the individual players available to the Boks nearly as highly as I do. These people are also possibly amnesiacs, for almost all of them wrote or said ahead of the tour that this was a great chance to beat New Zealand in New Zealand.

The Boks did achieve that objective, and it was great to see them do it, even if only to shut up those who kept bleating about the Boks winning the World Cup without facing New Zealand. But let’s be realistic about this – when Ali Williams left the field at Carisbrook to join Brad Thorn and Richie McCaw in watching from the sidelines, the All Blacks were down to the bare bones of their previous greatness.

Both Australia and New Zealand gave away a great deal to the South Africans in terms of experience, and yet for stages of the Wellington test and again in Perth it looked like it was the opposition who had built up almost 500 test caps between them. Like the Boks, the Wallabies were playing under a new coach, but they also have a much newer team.

In my view, the Boks should be dominating world rugby, not only now, but for years to come. Given what they have in terms of quality, individual brilliance and experience, this is not a season where we should be hoping that the Boks are competitive in away tests. To live up to their world champion billing, they should be winning those tests. Winning the Tri-Nations should be an expectation, not a hope.

And yet, but for a piece of Ricky Januarie brilliance, or Frans Steyn’s pressurising of Dan Carter when he lined up a late drop-kick in Dunedin, the Boks would have returned to South Africa from the overseas leg with three losses from three starts.

In that Dunedin test the Boks prevailed because they were more controlled than in the other games, they were more conservative, it appeared that the coach had given into the realities of test rugby, and there was greater structure.

When Percy Montgomery was dropped, and the talk from Australia suddenly started focussing on pace and the new buzz-word, “off-the-cuff” rugby, I feared the worst. That was why in my preview to the Perth game I predicted an Australian victory even though in my copy I had listed numerous reasons why the Boks should win.

When has a South African team ever run an Australian team off its feet? And if Luke Watson was worthy of a place on the bench against New Zealand, who selected no specialist opensiders in their squad, why was he ejected for the Australian game, where the opponents had two? And if Joe van Niekerk’s breakdown skills played a role in his selection in New Zealand, surely they were even more important here?

This is not hindsight stuff, the questions were asked before the game, just as questions were asked ahead of the Wellington game about the lack of wet weather selections. Given the confidence jolt that must have come with victory in Dunedin, it also made no sense for the coach to change his team as he did. There were already enough changes brought by injury.

This is all elementary, and it disturbs me, just as it disturbed me when after Wellington the coach suddenly started spotting the mistakes he had made as if they were all new to him, as if the realities of playing in New Zealand were new to him. There does seem to be a trend starting with De Villiers – win well playing conservatively against Wales one week, nearly butcher it by doing the opposite the following week; and the sequence has been repeated in Australasia.

Maybe the coach is going to learn from his mistakes. As a South African, I do hope so. But for my money the Boks have already lost two matches they should have won, and that is frustrating.



189 Comments

  • Gavin Rich is a po€lisieman.

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.07.08 18:53:16 by wpw Reply
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  • Sorry bout that rob. I just cant stand the guy…

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.07.08 18:54:10 by wpw loves gavin rich :-) Reply
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  • In the interest of avoiding potentially crippling litigation I’ve changed that for you wpw…

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.07.08 18:59:11 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 3) : good call, Vin

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.07.08 19:02:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • :lol: :lol: @ all of you.

    WPW? What’s up my bru? You been cut off now that there is a littlun in the house? :oops:

    Now voor die kind nie man :razz:

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.07.08 19:04:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Sorry Gavin, objectivity has never been prime amongst rugby journo traits in this country – most of us are well aware of the factionalism in SA rugby which incorporates you guys too.

    I heartily agree that PDV stuffed up a good few things thus far, but he also did good things. More than that, your writings reek of post-scripted reasoning to justify an already established conclusion.

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.07.08 19:12:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • U such a show off Big Fish. :roll: hey andre, pyjama drill is 4 moffies… Lol

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.07.08 19:19:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) :

    FJELN! :evil:

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.07.08 19:24:23 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) :

    :lol:

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.07.08 19:27:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 8) :

    okay see you in a bit. :wink:

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.07.08 19:31:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) :
    @KSA Shark © (Comment 10) :

    Friends like these… :roll:

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.07.08 19:34:12 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 11) :

    my laugh was at the Pyjama portion not at him tuning you, but you did use some big words in your post though :wink:

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.07.08 19:38:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • We were at the paediatrician last wk, when daniel decided to do a no 2 while the doc was examining him… He crapped all over the place… :mrgreen: oh, and it was a wet one… :roll:

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.07.08 19:51:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 12) :
    I’ll try to post drunk next time then. :lol:

    @wpw (Comment 13) :
    Thanks for sharing that. Very much his father’s son, isn’t he. :wink:

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.07.08 20:05:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I have never been a keen supporter of Gavin Rich anyway this time I think he has written a very good and a very interesting article.
    For once, thanks Gavin :lol:

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.07.08 20:13:51 by H.O. Reply

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  • I used to work with Gavin at Capital Radio in Durban. It was amazing how quickly he changed his allegiance from the Sharks to Wee Pee the moment he landed the job in CT! :roll:

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.07.08 22:22:38 by Villie Reply
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  • I see the AB’s have made 5 changes. I like the way they announce their team on a Tues. Boks always wait until the Thursday. Thorn and Somerville back and possibly McCaw who is bracketed with Braid!

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.07.08 22:23:42 by Villie Reply
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  • What I find Strange about SA reporters is how they avoid putting the spot light on the opposition. The Kiwi, Ausie scribes don’t have that problem (remember the James Small incident). I would prefer it that the SA reporters put the opposition on the back foot for once. Its almost like SA tries to outdo itself in niceness towards the opposition. Like in the Dark Days when we were ever so grateful that the NZ Cavaliers (Mercenaries) had come to play us. Come on SA reporters get down and dirty. The ABs are full of Drunks, Wife Beaters etc, write a few columns about these people when they are on SA shores light a fire under their soft under bellies and watch them squirm and see how well they can perform on match day.

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.07.08 23:10:53 by Dynamite Reply

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  • Well said Dynamite.

    You forgot to mention all the locals who happen to support the All Blacks and even some Aussie supporters (and they are all Saffas) :shock:

    Now that is just downright unacceptable.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.07.08 07:24:21 by wpw Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 16) :
    Capital Radio hey Villie, what year was that? I remember hearing their very first radio broadcast from Port St Johns, I think it was 26 December 1979 or 80. I still have an advertising sticker of theirs with the wording “Have you hugged your radio today”.
    I remember how the ultra cool Kevin Savage and Dave Gusseli used to try and pull the babes when the broadcast from the Durban beachfront. Magic days those.

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.07.08 08:48:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) : Used to listen to Capital Radio in the 90′s…

    Gavin made some good points in his article…but honestly I’m getting tired of his one-eyed reporting.

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.07.08 09:12:01 by blackshark Reply

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  • No fan of him or this article, strong team or not our away record just points to an inability of our players to win overseas, i think Jake only won once in Australia by one point, Gavin seems to think we do it in our sleep. But then again he also seems to think what he says we must believe…..guess its easy in your own little dream world !

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.07.08 09:44:31 by Sauce Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 13) :

    Sounds like his pappa in his teens on a Friday night on the p!ss… :lol:

    As for the rugga… there is gross lack of foresight and analysis evident in the coaching staff… lose one then analyse before the next game… lose another and then only watch video analysis of the Wobblies… not good enough… and we’ve come away no better than previous years despite one win being against the AB’s…

    Too think I cut my Mauritius trip short to fly 8hrs, fork out $240 and watch 22 men playing as individuals with no gameplan when they were ripe for the picking… :sad:

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.07.08 09:51:09 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • “Dave Gusseli used to try and pull the babes when the broadcast from the Durban beachfront.”

    He still was from the Mr Price Pro all these years later… scary stuff!

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.07.08 09:53:03 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Myself was one of those waiting so long for a win in Kiwiland. That one alone I’ll put up right up in my top file of great wins.

    The loss against the Wallabies not so disappointing. Think we lack the same urgency we had against that great Dunedin test. Also think we havent took our changes. If we could nicked one try in the first half we would have been OK. So not that heart breaking loses we had in the past in our away leg.

    Vok we have 5 points after 3 and think the loss will put us in full force for the home leg. Might be just the right medicine at the right time.

    So Mr Gavin you have to be realistic sometime and take the biter before the real sweet. I will be gutted if we lose against the Wannabies in SA.

    Snor and the Bokke will know now , still some hard work to be done.

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.07.08 09:53:40 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • “Vok we have 5 points after 3 and think the loss will put us in full force for the home leg. ”

    So do the AB’s after 2…

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.07.08 09:57:16 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 23) :

    Bad call on cutting the vacation short :sad:

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.07.08 09:57:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Hey bryce!

    Was wondering what happened to you… :cool: :cool:

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.07.08 09:58:19 by wpw Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 26) :

    But we have home games to come.

    If The Aussies can do the thing this weekend THEN we will be in with a good shout.

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.07.08 09:59:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 26) :
    Yep but they still have to come and visit sweet Newlands in a few weeks time. That will be the decider. In the past we short of was sure to lose the away games. This time we could have won 2 and all close games. Myself are pretty sure the Bokke grew the most out of the 3 teams.

    If we have beaten the Wallabies in Perth, to many big heads and a hard fall.

    Now we will be sharp and ready for the Chokers & Convicts.

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.07.08 10:01:53 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 30) :

    We have the RWC winning squad sans a few out of form and only really OS retired…

    Aus have a new coach and stalwarts Gregan, Latham, Larkam retired…

    NZ have too many to name moved on (yep couldn’t be bothered lol)…

    I had set the bar at 2 away wins from 3 leading into the home tests plain and simple…

    Refer to most the content of the article for the rest… and then repeat the heading of the article…

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.07.08 10:09:27 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Frans Steyn’s pressurising of Dan Carter? I know he caught the deflection and did very well, but I seem to remember Pienaar being the one to charge down the kick.

    Only thinking out loud.

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.07.08 10:09:59 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 30) : I’d like to believe that our players are capable of winning away from home…and still remain focused to wrap things up at home.

    However…I think you are correct in saying the Boks probably learnt a lot about themselves and the other teams during the first 3 games. The tour was not as successful as we would’ve liked but we have to realise that we are still in a good position here and we have to look ahead with a “half-full” attitude.

    PdV and his men will now have a chance to watch the AB’s and Oz in action and prepare for the home legs. this is not the time to be walking around with our heads hanging low.

    This is not hindsight stuff… Yes it is Gavin.

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.07.08 10:10:53 by blackshark Reply

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  • I think it is exactly because it is so hard for us to win overseas that Rich has taken this slant – purely because both Australia and New Zealand are at their most vulnerable (weak) and we shouldnt be (having retained virtually our entire world cup squad)
    Regardless of whether he is a plonker or not Gavin Rich’s analysis is actually spot on. I think he has realised that we are not going to go Oz or NZ and come away with more than one win in the near future because we just dont have it in us to do it – if we couldnt get it right now why should we get it right when these two squads are more settled and have gained mor experience.

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.07.08 10:10:59 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 32) :

    No it was Steyn who made the charge down. (I think) :WINK:

    I remember posting that it was ironic that our flyhalf who gets charged down the most actually saved us by charging down a kick.

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.07.08 10:13:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Can someone not fund a proper scientific test as to why teams struggle in away matches? Hook them up with wires/sensors. Do those psychological/physiological tests. Even Matfield in an interview after Aus said is easier/much easier to win home games.

    And when we know what it is, try and fix it.

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.07.08 10:14:50 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 35) : If I remember I’ll check this evening when I get home. :smile:

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.07.08 10:15:54 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 36) : Do blood tests, make them piss in a cup. Leave no stone unturned.

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.07.08 10:18:06 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 31) : I had set the bar at 3 out of 3…but there’s a thing called reality. The reality in this case is not that we CANNOT win 3/3 away but the reality is we COULD NOT. Mistakes were made by the coach, by the players and indeed by myself (by not wearing my lucky cap for our 1st and 3rd games). But it’s important that we view this as part of a bigger picture…half of it still to be painted right here in the SR of A (I’ve always wanted to say that).

    Now if only Kankowski, Odwa, Barritt can score 5 tries (each) so I can move up the FL log and get those test tickets. :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.07.08 10:21:04 by blackshark Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 37) :

    This from 365′s match report.
    At last Andrew Ellis gave him a perfect pass, on Carter’s left to make the drop more comfortable. He pulled his left foot back and dropped. But Ruan Pienaar was there to charge the kick down. Steyn got the ball and battled on with fiery Springboks shoving him forward. Back the ball came to Januarie and he kicked the ball out over the touch-line and into history.

    Please check this evening coz I am now confused :wink:

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.07.08 10:22:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • SR of A? :wink:

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.07.08 10:25:10 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 40) : I’ll check. Just for you. :wink:

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.07.08 10:25:47 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 42) : Apparently Luke charged the kick … :lol:

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.07.08 10:31:47 by blackshark Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 24) :
    Scary stuff indeed – very scary.

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.07.08 10:42:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • blackshark

    And then there’s the matter of us not having a decent captain since John got injured. :roll:

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.07.08 10:45:19 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 45) :

    We do have a decent captain, all we need to do is convince PdV that it isn’t the Girl Bully Boy.

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.07.08 10:55:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 45) : There is also the small matter of this stupid test against the Argies next weekend…. who the hell decided on that. This means that we have to play 4 tests in 4 weeks….stupid stupid stupid :evil:

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.07.08 11:02:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Now I hear that PdV wants consistency in selection….. so now he will probably play his A-team against the Argies, rather lett the so called fringe players play that test…All we can achieve with that test is to pick up injuries….If England, Ireland, France and Wales can send their 2nd and 3rd teams why play our best against the Pumas????? stupid stupid stupid :evil:

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.07.08 11:05:48 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Probably those SANZAR idiots thet thought it a good idea

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.07.08 11:07:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I don’t see the AB’s or Convicts playing a teams reanked 4th in the world in the middle of the bloody Tri-Nations

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.07.08 11:08:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Did anybody notice that I’ve been having a really shitty week. :roll:

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.07.08 11:09:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Hoskins must send SANZAR together with all their sheep shagging bullshitter to HELL :evil: :evil:

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.07.08 11:11:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 48) :

    He is in a no win situation either way.

    He needs to play his best side to get them ready for the following week and yet if we get injuries PDV will get nailed for risking his players by playing his best side.

    If he doesn’t play his best side and we get beaten by the Kiwis a week later then he will be nailed for changing his team all the time.

    The Argintina test should never have been scheduled where it has been scheduled :evil:

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.07.08 11:12:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 53) : We also have never lost agaist the Pumas,and I’m sure PdV don’t want to be first coach to beat the AB’s in the House of Pain and the first to lose against the Pumas within a couple of weeks

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.07.08 11:16:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • When’s the Argies joining the Tri-nations?

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.07.08 11:17:49 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • Dumb ass administrators :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.07.08 11:18:32 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Will it then be the Quattro-Nations?

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.07.08 11:19:21 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 55) : I would like to see the Pumas join the Tri Nation,but I don’t think its practical. It’s bad enough having to travel to Aus & NZ imagine the strain the players will take having to travel to Argentinia as well. It will be nice to see how the AB’s and Convicts travel though since we always the ones with the harsh travelling schedule

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.07.08 11:23:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 58) : Maybe they should base themselves in SA. :cool:

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.07.08 11:28:32 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 59) : Not a bad idea, easier for their players to fly to SA from France than to Argentina

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.07.08 11:31:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 39) :

    Nah bud… 2 out of 3 was ‘realistic’ particularly as I expected to see a RWC Bok side that had been improved upon…

    I expected to see our basics better than the RWC (handling, set pieces, touchfinders) the breakdowns better than the RWC and a gameplan as promised, more inventive, more creative and more exciting… failed on every account so far…

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.07.08 11:45:50 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • All I see is a team of passionate players, fairly clueless tactically trying their damdest individually all the same… that lucked an away game, carrying the coaching staff at this level…

    All IMO of course… and of course everyone is entitled to MO…

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.07.08 11:48:30 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • To be fair though – we’ve never had the brains trust in SA Rugby to wion the tactical battles.

    We’ve always won on brute force alone.

    We’ve had this tactical naievity discussion on virtually every coach that has tried on the Bok coach’s jacket and every single time the results have been the same.

    We’ve always, always been a step behind NZ and Oz when it comes to playing clever rugby.
    o all of a sudden expect the complete opposite from PdV is lunacy.

    Of all the coaches we’ve had please name those that were tactically superior to their opponents? I can think of none.

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.07.08 11:53:15 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • And just to extrapolte on my earlier comment let’s quickly go over the tactical nous of a selection of previous coaches.

    First up, the predecessor. Am I the only one that remembers the flack he picked up for playing a dinosaur game? An uninspiring game? The shit he got for not playing a fetcher? 10 man rugby? Blue Bulls rugby? any of that sound familiar?

    Go back another step. Rudolf fokken Streuli. Not a clue. Not even worth mentioning. Tactical defunct.

    Go back further. What about Carel “my boys will run the ball from anywhere” du Plessis? Was he a tactical genius? I think not.

    Go back another step. Nick Mallet. Was is genius not vindicated when he dropped Teichman for an out-of-sorts Bob Skinstad?
    What about his flyhalf selections. Hi last-minute selections were certainly vindicated. not.

    Then we get to Andre Markgraaf and the less said the better. Although he will always be remembered for having about 60 lives and his remarks to black players he also didn’t have muhc of a clue when it came to tactics.

    You see there have never been coaches that have a tactical nous superior to their opponenets.

    To somehow now say that that is PdV’s downfall is unfair on him as it’s not somethign that ever gets pushed in SA. The inconvenient truth is that for the last 50 years SA Rugby has played a game where they’d prefer to run over their opponents than around them.
    They’d prefer to drive over for a try than pull out a fancy move to get it.

    It’s engrained in the physce of the South African rugby player and coach and to say that’s some sort of weakness is to be ignorant of the past.

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.07.08 12:02:10 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 63) :

    Mallet’s quickfire 22man rugby in a time when the benches weren’t being used to their capabilities… White’s adaptation and improvement of the Blitz defense into an offensive monster, attacking at will from the turnovers… so that’s two… this didn’t last forever… but in both cases was enough to take the Oz and Nz brains trust by surprise and secure two #N titles…

    But I digress… I was hoping as RWC’s in the ‘modern’ era would be taking our game to a new level… leading not playing catch-up…

    Hell our ‘brains’ trust did not even do video analysis of the Wallabies pre game 1!

    And by ‘brains-trust’ I refer to all 3!

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.07.08 12:03:08 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • I saw a lot of negative outlooks here (maybe the Sharks & WP losse over the weekend help this). Dont worry manne, we’ll eat them at home.

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.07.08 12:11:28 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 65) :

    The lack of video analysis pisses me off no end as they had months to do this.

    I dont agree with the rest though. Mallet wasn’t the first to use the 22 man bench and White wasn’t the first to use the blitz defence.
    But granted they did do something at least.

    I think the innovation that PdV wants to use is to field sides tailored to the conditions which is an area where JAke dropped the ball to a large degree.

    Give the guy a chance before denegrating him. He’s had a hard introduction into test rugby and the entire management team has been changed from last year.
    If he had been given last year’s assistant coaches the shock wouldn’t've been so great.

    And let’s nto forget – he has already equalled Mallet’s record in NZ and has bettered Jake’s in the same country.

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.07.08 12:11:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Think that Argie test is a good one. Had to start with the B team and end with the A team. Just to get us battle sharp.

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.07.08 12:12:36 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 61) : Yeah…2/3 was a realistic “expectation”…just like my 3/3…

    I expected to see our basics better than the RWC (handling, set pieces, touchfinders) the breakdowns better than the RWC and a gameplan as promised, more inventive, more creative and more exciting… failed on every account so far…

    Same here mate, but I suppose it didn’t help that we had some key players playing on the wrong half of the earth. Without a confident flyhalf we have lost a lot of our creativity. But yes, the NEW coach should start shaking off that tag and reinforce these basics if we are planning to dominate world rugby.

    There’s more to the 3N than the first 3 games…

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.07.08 12:14:18 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 69) :

    I think to a large degree this away leg of the 3N has shown us that you cannot field a flyhalf who is playing abroad.
    You might get away with players in other positions but not your flyhalf.

    although, to be fair, the only player that has come back from Europe and shown some form is Percy.
    Butch, Smit and Matfield have looked out of sorts and horribly off the pace.

    Perhaps there’s a lesson in that.

    I’m also wonderign what Peter Grant needs to do to get a look in.
    From first choice flyhalf at the end of the S14 to fourth choice flyhald today. This, of course, without even playing since then.
    Yet an out-of-form Butch, Steyn and now possibly Pienaar all get a big “give-it-a-go”.

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.07.08 12:21:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 62) : You are right!! expressing the wish of how you envisioned our rugby to be. Expecting a little bit too much, I think.

    @VinChainSaw (Comment 67) : You are right too!! expressing the way we are playing right now and up to way back when! Does need to change though, as the game has progressed from amatuerism to proffesionalism. ( Check my spelling someone!)

    PDV???? Well, he is enthusiastic!! On the other hand he did take over a settled WORLD CHAMPION side and could be expected to at least carry on ( FORWARDS ) from there. But we should grant him a reasonable time.
    :smile:

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.07.08 12:22:59 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 72) :

    So I guess all their passports are safe then!??! :lol:

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.07.08 12:32:16 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 70) : Yeah…I do feel like Grant got the short end of the stick somehow there. He SHOULD have been given more opportunities as our most consistent flyhalf under ELVs.

    @Silver Fox (Comment 71) : IMO-He seems to be going forward so far but the remaining games of the TRI-NATIONS will go a long way in shaping our opinions regarding his coaching capabilities.

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.07.08 12:36:10 by blackshark Reply

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  • Bryce

    One has to remember that quite a few RWC players didn’t perfrom well in the S14.

    Ruan, Steyn, JPP and even Habana had a very average S14.

    Then we had guys like FDP and Jaque Fourie out injured. Percy and Butch playing overseas.

    And that is only our backline.

    Jake, Coetzee and Eddie VD Jones all no longer involved.

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.07.08 12:36:18 by wpw Reply
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  • Can someone please remove Hmmm’s post # 72???

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.07.08 12:38:07 by wpw Reply
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  • I’ll withold any further criticism of PdV until after the home 3N games.

    As the Boks don’ normally win away at the best of times it seems unfair to judge him until after the home games.

    Make no mistake – if tactical or selection errors cause us to lose the home games he will nto be exempt from a string of abuse from my side.

    But let’s not forget we are still proabbly on course to win the whole damned thing if we win our home games.

  • Comment 76, posted at 23.07.08 12:40:44 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 75) :

    done. And next time do it yourself. ;-)

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.07.08 12:42:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 75) : Exactly…so it’s not like PdV inherited a Champion side with no problems and made it look ordinary. The sooner we stop referring to this ” WC Dream-Team” the better.

    @wpw (Comment 76) : And 73…???

    How is this relevant to anything anyway???

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.07.08 12:44:45 by blackshark Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 76) : Sounds fair to me… I’m going the same route.

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.07.08 12:47:05 by blackshark Reply

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  • Simply, we had our best shot at coming away from Oz and NZ with the upperhand – we didnt, despite what us supporters feel. Heaven help us if we stuff up the home games.

  • Comment 80, posted at 23.07.08 12:48:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 78) : It is what he will be measured by. Not be me though, for although I am chaffed about us being called world champions, I do not think that was a fair reflection of the standard of the teams at that stage. A while ago I sent in a post on how I believe the world cup should be decided, but hey, that is all water under the bridge.

  • Comment 81, posted at 23.07.08 12:52:14 by Silver Fox Reply

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    My privileges have been revoked. :roll:

    Its cos I are bleck. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 23.07.08 12:52:40 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 75) :

    WHY?

  • Comment 83, posted at 23.07.08 12:54:35 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 77) :

    And WHY?

  • Comment 84, posted at 23.07.08 12:55:04 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 82) : Should’nt that one be erased as well? :???: :???: :???:

  • Comment 85, posted at 23.07.08 12:56:01 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 82) :

    Can someone please remove this post of WPW!??!

    What goes for one goes for the other…

  • Comment 86, posted at 23.07.08 12:56:15 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 85) :

    Yes…it is even worse than the article I posted…
    I guess he thinks he is above us all!??!

  • Comment 87, posted at 23.07.08 12:57:38 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 84) :

    No politics. Read the rules.

    It was anyway an old article.

  • Comment 88, posted at 23.07.08 12:58:46 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 68) : I hear your point, but look how flat we looked after 2 tough macthes againt the AB’s, PdV is in a no win situation see comment by KSA Shark@KSA Shark © (Comment 53) :I thought we would beat the Aussies cause we were battle hardened and we looked tired on our feet. Remember that we have to play 3 really tough matches after the Pumas. I still think it’s a kak idea

  • Comment 89, posted at 23.07.08 12:59:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 85) :

    Nothing wrong with banter, we just have a no polticis rule.
    I’ve seen many a good blog go down the drain as politics tends to bring out the worst in people while sport normally brings out the best.

  • Comment 90, posted at 23.07.08 13:00:06 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • jinne, but I do NOT feel good today

  • Comment 91, posted at 23.07.08 13:01:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) :

    Thoguht you gave up the booze?

  • Comment 92, posted at 23.07.08 13:01:45 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 90) : I find that beer generally brings out the wort in me

  • Comment 93, posted at 23.07.08 13:02:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • Just for the record guys – we don’t censor opinion here and the number of deleted comments in the last 6 months I can count on one hand.

    But we decided early on we wouldn’t venture into the realms of politics so as not to attract shitfights and persons with extreme views.

    We’re just sticking to that. Everything else is pretty fair game but politics is out.

  • Comment 94, posted at 23.07.08 13:03:17 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 92) : you must be confusing me with someone else, dude ;)

  • Comment 95, posted at 23.07.08 13:03:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 92) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 96, posted at 23.07.08 13:03:37 by PJLD Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 81) : I know what you mean…we are World Champs and we deserve that tag because we went into a competition and played the cards that we were dealt. That’s how all knockout competitions are decided.

    That,however, becomes a problem if people suddenly feel like we are INVINCIBLE and forget all about our strengths & weaknesses before, during and after the WC. This is the 3N , the best rugby has to offer, and there are no shortcuts. The best thing we can do is take the long journey with the team till the end and then take it from there. I thank you.

  • Comment 97, posted at 23.07.08 13:03:43 by blackshark Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 88) : Politics only? Sorry, I am confused big time now. Sometime politics does affect rugby and is worth mentioning. Or do I have the wrong understanding of “politics”. Just now it will be very difficult indeed to participate on this blogg.

    Really, I am confused, please explain even if you do so in an E-mail.

  • Comment 98, posted at 23.07.08 13:03:50 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) :

    lol. Thoguht as much.

    When we doing drinks?

    When we gonna get together for another game BTW?

  • Comment 99, posted at 23.07.08 13:04:07 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 94) : well said. Thanks

  • Comment 100, posted at 23.07.08 13:04:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) :

    DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!

    You only just went to bed a few hours ago! I would also feel kak.

  • Comment 101, posted at 23.07.08 13:04:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : Hows the running coming along Robbo,i started trainng for the Gun Run(not a sprint down klipfontein road) on monday.

  • Comment 102, posted at 23.07.08 13:05:10 by PJLD Reply
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  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    lmao

    Silverfox

    Most of the okes know that I’m taking the piss… (hence the SMILEY)

  • Comment 103, posted at 23.07.08 13:05:32 by wpw Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 85) :

    I merely came across that article by accident when I was searching for old articles of my black friend that represented SA in the Junior World Champs for swimming…
    I thought it was funny in the light of the self same Kompela that was threatening everyone’s passports and hence my comment in 83 that I am sure the sports people of SA are relieved that their passports are now safe…

    So the article was def posted in humor…

  • Comment 104, posted at 23.07.08 13:06:06 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) :

    He thinks he is talking to me. I gave up the booze. :oops: :roll: :razz:

  • Comment 105, posted at 23.07.08 13:06:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 104) : I do respect the wishes of the blogg, so therefore I think this subject should be dropped. Without hardfeelings. I am for consistency though.

  • Comment 106, posted at 23.07.08 13:08:46 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 88) :

    I did not post it “Cozz it was news”
    I posted it in humor…read my comment that followed that….

    So race aint politics!???!???!??!??!

  • Comment 107, posted at 23.07.08 13:08:50 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 104) : We must’ve missed the punchline… :neutral:

  • Comment 108, posted at 23.07.08 13:08:58 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 98) :

    Dude, I do agree with you to a certain degree.
    And relevant politics will be discussed if need be after quite careful consideration.

    But Hmm’s article was irrelevant to this site and to this thread especially.

    This is first and foremost a rugby site. If there is a political issue that cannot be avoided it will be addressed but I see no reason to discuss an article, especially on this thread, about how Sascoc is going to boycott Khompela.
    It serves absolutely no purpose and, in my experience, arguments on such subjects get heated and always end in tears.

    If it was an article that pertianed to #46 style selections I’m sure it would be discussed. But not just general politics.

    You are free to debate anythign you like and doubtless politics will arise when necessary.

    But this was not necessary.

  • Comment 109, posted at 23.07.08 13:09:55 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 98) :

    Politics will always be in sport, but does it serve ANY interest other then raising blood pressures and causing ill feelings amongst posters if for example an article on Hoskins being called to explain himself to parlaiment is published?

    In My Opionion Not.

    There are plenty, and there always will be, rugby related things to discuss and bitch about without needing to include the political side of rugby in anyway.

  • Comment 110, posted at 23.07.08 13:11:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 103) : No sweat WPW, it is just the other day I made a similar comment and was admonished ( in a good way ). Clearly I should have added the smiley?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 111, posted at 23.07.08 13:12:15 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 105) : You can barely handle a glass of Spiced Gold :roll:

  • Comment 112, posted at 23.07.08 13:12:38 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 112) :

    In a plastic cup… with no ice or mix… ;-)

  • Comment 113, posted at 23.07.08 13:14:31 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Ok back to rugby, I would like all your opinions about the Pumas game next weekend. Mini survey: Good idea or bad idea??

  • Comment 114, posted at 23.07.08 13:14:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 110) : I do agree, the article was pretty pointless, and that is exactly how I read it in the first place. Never mind, you make the rules, we abide. :grin:

  • Comment 115, posted at 23.07.08 13:15:42 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @PJLD (Comment 112) :

    Hehehehe

    Not my fault glasses get slippery when they are wet.

    I use Spiced Gold instead of sleeping tablets :oops: :wink:

  • Comment 116, posted at 23.07.08 13:15:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 114) :

    Okay(ish) idea but KAK TIMING

  • Comment 117, posted at 23.07.08 13:16:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 117) : Same

  • Comment 118, posted at 23.07.08 13:19:03 by PJLD Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 117) : I am not saying we shouldn’t play the Pumas, but my question refers mostly to the timing

  • Comment 119, posted at 23.07.08 13:19:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 98) : have a look here: http://www.sharksworld.co.za/the-rules/

  • Comment 120, posted at 23.07.08 13:19:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 116) :

    How many sleeping tabs does someone take to sleep? 2? (Then i will probably need 3 I am a big guy)

    Interesting comparison to make.

    Which costs more Half a bottle of Spiced gold and a 2 litre coke or 3 sleeping tabs?

    :smile:

  • Comment 121, posted at 23.07.08 13:20:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Thanks for changing the topic on this thread Hmmm…

    No really… Thanks (NOT) :evil:

  • Comment 122, posted at 23.07.08 13:20:32 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 114) : Adding to my question. We are playing and this blog won’t change that. Quastion 2 : Do you play your best possible team or the so called fringe players?

  • Comment 123, posted at 23.07.08 13:21:29 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 99) : we must do so soon. I have Sky now ;) Still planning to have you and Quinny over. Wife has been feeling like death warmed up, though, but that should hopefully be a thing of the past now

  • Comment 124, posted at 23.07.08 13:22:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 119) :

    They could have played it after the 3N.

    Then at least it could have been billed as potential 3N entrants vs. 3N champions :wink:

  • Comment 125, posted at 23.07.08 13:22:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 114) : Maybe we should’ve played THEM instead of the Pizza Boys.

  • Comment 126, posted at 23.07.08 13:22:39 by blackshark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 121) : definitly 2 sleeping pills are cheaper , but is it as much fun :lol:

  • Comment 127, posted at 23.07.08 13:23:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 115) :

    Silverfox,

    You probably wouldn’t know this but a few of us used to hang around on another rugby blog site before this and political fights eventually led to the site being closed down.

    It has been our experiecne that South Africans in general are incapable of discussing politics without getting emotional and the amount of guys surfing blog sites with relatively extreme political views is scary.

  • Comment 128, posted at 23.07.08 13:24:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 123) : Q2 – A bit of both worlds…but whatever you do start with Grant at 10.

  • Comment 129, posted at 23.07.08 13:24:41 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 126) : I agree , a tougher game 2 weeks before 3N would have been a much better idea(although I think most of the Pumas would still have been doing club duty in france)

  • Comment 130, posted at 23.07.08 13:25:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • KSA Sharks’ favourite drink???

    Brandewyn and coke perhaps??? :roll:

    To me he seems more like an Amarula Cream kinda guy (with milk) :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 131, posted at 23.07.08 13:25:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 122) :

    lol. Please refer to your first comment on this thread wes… ;-)

  • Comment 132, posted at 23.07.08 13:26:10 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 128) : It’s a disease not unique to South Africans boet…

  • Comment 133, posted at 23.07.08 13:26:16 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 123) :

    Has anyone seen a squad for the Argintinians?

    It will be even more pissed if they come out here with a 2nd string team.

    If they do I would say play a B side against them, if they don’t then refer to my comment #53. PDV is screwed eitherway unless he beats the AB’s and then he will be a hero.

  • Comment 134, posted at 23.07.08 13:26:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 123) :

    Sheesh I dunno bud.
    Reckon he’ll get smashed by the media with whatever he does.

    Just pray he selects Grant to start, although he hasnt played in three months and so will be rusty anyway.

    No win situation.

  • Comment 135, posted at 23.07.08 13:27:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 133) :

    Ain’t that the truth!

  • Comment 136, posted at 23.07.08 13:28:15 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 131) :

    Is Jy bedonnerd????????????

    I am aggro enough I don’t need kak in my system!!!

    Rum is the thing for me.

    Oh and I have my Amarula or Cape Velvet with crushed ice. :smile:

  • Comment 137, posted at 23.07.08 13:28:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 137) :

    I got leathered on rum last Saturday.
    And woke up without a hangover. Very strange.
    Was a bit tired later in the day but I suppose playing a round of golf after only 3.5 hours sleep will do that for you!

  • Comment 138, posted at 23.07.08 13:30:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 137) : and 2 sleeping pills :lol:

  • Comment 139, posted at 23.07.08 13:31:13 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 137) :

    Sheesh, and they say Cape Town is full of girls…

  • Comment 140, posted at 23.07.08 13:31:17 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 137) :

    Slow down – we have NEVER had a drink together… :wink: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 141, posted at 23.07.08 13:31:35 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 137) : And a red umbrella ella ella a .

    Gotta love the Rumsky!

    If Dancing Bear is around, i need to speak to him about smuggling some contraband.

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 141) :

    Be grateful – he’ll be heading home after his first amarula… ;-)

  • Comment 143, posted at 23.07.08 13:33:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Sleeping pills & alcohol. :cool:

  • Comment 144, posted at 23.07.08 13:33:55 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 141) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    I would call you “vertically compressed” rather than crushed :wink:

  • Comment 145, posted at 23.07.08 13:34:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 120) : Have looked!! Agree!!! Only words differ from here to there!!@VinChainSaw (Comment 128) : Agree wholeheartedly, but that was not the problem. It is simply why one person gets slamned for it, but not the other. But let it rest, I would much rather participate in the rugby discussions! :cool:

  • Comment 146, posted at 23.07.08 13:34:28 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • I’m so glad i don’t partake of the wino. :grin:

  • Comment 147, posted at 23.07.08 13:35:35 by wpw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 143) : Did I just see the words Amarula and CapeVelvet on SHARKSWORLD? I have to go wash my eyes…

  • Comment 148, posted at 23.07.08 13:36:45 by blackshark Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 144) :

    There are a few things i have never done or will ever do (hopefully)

    One of them is try and smoke and the other is take sleeping tabs or other medication to keep me “happy” or “stable” :smile:

  • Comment 149, posted at 23.07.08 13:38:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 147) : :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 150, posted at 23.07.08 13:38:07 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 149) :

    Now Anit-biotics and alcohol……………. :oops: :oops: :oops:

    That didn’t feel soooooo good :oops: :lol:

  • Comment 151, posted at 23.07.08 13:40:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 149) : Boring :lol:

  • Comment 152, posted at 23.07.08 13:41:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 148) :

    We are trying to make the WP guys feel welcome :roll: :wink:

    @wpw (Comment 147) : Not unless it is in a papsak? :wink:

  • Comment 153, posted at 23.07.08 13:42:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 149) : Never smoked? :shock: I’ve tried it & fortunately don’t smaak it one bit. :cool:

  • Comment 154, posted at 23.07.08 13:43:28 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • I think the AB’s are going to klap the Ausies this weekend. :eek:

  • Comment 155, posted at 23.07.08 13:49:02 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 154) :

    There was that one time when I played sword fights with my brother and he got me with a hot braai fork on the arm. That was more of a sizzle though. :wink:

    No I actually have to grit my teeth to pick up a packet of the stuff and move them out of my way. :oops:

  • Comment 156, posted at 23.07.08 13:51:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 145) :
    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 149) :

    I am a big believer in trying everything at least once… :twisted: then at least i can have an honest opinion! :wink:

  • Comment 157, posted at 23.07.08 13:52:55 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 155) :

    I Hope not though. With McCaw gone and Cross coming in for Mortlock it seems like the AB’s have lost more than the Aussies.

    interesting fact that both team captains are only captaining their 2nd internationals.

  • Comment 158, posted at 23.07.08 13:53:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 155) : It’s gonna be an interesting match, probably better for us if Aus win…but I can NEVER support the Aussies :mad:

  • Comment 159, posted at 23.07.08 13:54:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Silver Fox – on this site you may call rugby players and administrators absolutely anything derogatory, you can even advocate euthanizing them but woe betide you if you come close to anything that might be construed, even vaguely, as political.

  • Comment 160, posted at 23.07.08 13:56:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 154) : Smoked for a loooong time but managed to quit and don’t even think about it…. until i drink, half a beer later and im puffing away.

  • Comment 161, posted at 23.07.08 13:57:08 by PJLD Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 158) : Also every team in the tri nation without their 1st choice captain

  • Comment 162, posted at 23.07.08 13:57:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 157) : Have you killed anyone yet? :twisted: :twisted:

    I knew I should not have gone there!! :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 163, posted at 23.07.08 13:58:05 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 162) :

    True, but at least Aus and NZ have Leaders as captains :sad:

  • Comment 164, posted at 23.07.08 14:01:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 163) :

    Does a few million spiders count?? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Not that I am aware of…but if you carry on – I might try my first try on you/…. :evil: :twisted:

  • Comment 165, posted at 23.07.08 14:01:51 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 163) :

    Only once but she didn’t like it :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 166, posted at 23.07.08 14:02:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @PJLD (Comment 161) : Seems to be the most difficult time for smokers, drinking.

  • Comment 167, posted at 23.07.08 14:03:14 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 158) : Not one of these two are great right now, IMO, but they always entertain me in the way they tackle the mind games AND see it through.

  • Comment 168, posted at 23.07.08 14:04:14 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • WP team has been announced BTW and there is no Naas olivier in the team.

  • Comment 169, posted at 23.07.08 14:04:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) : I worked from about 1992-1995. I did the morning sports reports on the weekend. Alternated with a guy called Andre Bloem. Magic days it certainly was!

  • Comment 170, posted at 23.07.08 14:05:31 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 170) :
    Villie are you still in broadcasting?

  • Comment 171, posted at 23.07.08 14:18:28 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 171) : Nah…I did it part time while I was still at University, hance only working on the weekends.

    I’m a CA…so had to make the right choice financially. Although I loved broadcasting, I couldn’t combine both careers!

  • Comment 172, posted at 23.07.08 14:24:29 by Villie Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 166) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    @Villie (Comment 170) :

    No wonder you are such a big mouth!! :twisted:

  • Comment 173, posted at 23.07.08 14:25:01 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 160) : you’re also not allowed to say anything nasty about Brad Barritt…

  • Comment 174, posted at 23.07.08 15:22:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 174) : Barrit is a parrot :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 175, posted at 23.07.08 15:36:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • From News24:

    In conjunction with Richmark Holdings (Pty) Limited the official launching of the Jake White blog and Youtube Channel was announced on Wednesday.

  • Comment 176, posted at 23.07.08 15:45:07 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 175) : Yellow card! ;)

  • Comment 177, posted at 23.07.08 15:48:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 177) : So I only get a red card for politics? :cool:

  • Comment 178, posted at 23.07.08 15:50:48 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I likes to wear ladies panties :mrgreen:

  • Comment 179, posted at 23.07.08 16:00:07 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 179) :

    Is your mom or your missus more upset about that wes?

  • Comment 180, posted at 23.07.08 16:03:45 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 174) :
    Yikes, sorry rob – THE golden rule, and I forgot it.

  • Comment 181, posted at 23.07.08 17:18:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 181) : I mean, honestly! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 182, posted at 23.07.08 17:25:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • Vinnie. Im gonna get u back. Bastard. :evil:

  • Comment 183, posted at 23.07.08 17:33:25 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 179) :

    Grannie style or G-string?

  • Comment 184, posted at 23.07.08 18:39:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 184) :

    I thought he looked uncomfortable on that chair (or perhaps ecstatic)… must be a small g-string…

  • Comment 185, posted at 23.07.08 18:45:38 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 185) :

    And we all though he had a stomach…… maybe he is just lifting his butt off the bench to pull the g-string out :lol:

  • Comment 186, posted at 23.07.08 18:49:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • :evil: julle ma se…

  • Comment 187, posted at 23.07.08 20:19:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 187) :

    :smile: :razz:

  • Comment 188, posted at 23.07.08 20:34:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 184) :
    Aaah, Granny Style – they always turn up as unpleasant monthly surprise. Usually when its most inconvenient too. :sad:

  • Comment 189, posted at 23.07.08 21:17:43 by Big Fish Reply
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