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Who will be the surprise picks?


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks, Tri Nations on 28 Jul 2008 at 07:33
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Springbok coach Peter de Villiers, set to name a 30-man squad today for the one-off Test against Argentina on August 9 and the home leg of the Tri-Nations series, could produce a few more bolters.

Rugby 365 reports that most pundits expect De Villiers to “experiment” when he names the matchday 22 to face the Pumas in Johannesburg, but there is likely to be one or two surprises in the broader, 30-man, squad as well.

One player set to return to the Bok selection is World Cup-winning scrumhalf Fourie du Preez, unquestionably the world’s best scrumhalf in 2007. He has made a full recovery from the injuries that sidelined him during the June internationals and the Boks’ away leg of the Tri-Nations.

That means Bolla Conradie could find himself on permanent duty with his Currie Cup team, Western Province – unless of course De Villiers names three scrumhalves and uses Ruan Pienaar as a utility in the squad.

Media report at the weekend suggested that the biggest surprise could be at hooker, where replacement hooker Adriaan Strauss – flown to Australia after the suspension of Bismarck du Plessis – could replace Schalk Brits.

The latter started in the Perth Test, won 16-9 by Australia, but failed to convince that he is the type of player who could feature in a tight contest. His unwillingness to get involved on the close-quarter battles and his keenness to play out wide was seen as a contributing factor the Boks being blown away at the breakdown by the Wallabies.

He also played at No.8 for WP in a Currie Cup game at the weekend, a suggestion that his style makes him more of a ‘loose forward’ than a ‘tight forward’.

World Cup-winning prop Jannie du Plessis, who has been in impressive form for the Sharks in the Currie Cup, could also bolster the Boks’ front row resources.

He could come into the equation at the expense of Brian Mujati – another member of the large Province contingent in the Bok squad that did not live up to his reputation.

The big question is whether De Villiers will admit to his earlier selection blunders and be bold enough to beef up his pack with a few hard men.

The good news is that all three players injured in Australasia – Adi Jacobs, Bryan Habana and Schalk Burger – will be fit for consideration the squad of 22 for the Argentina Test.

The Springboks will assemble in Pretoria on Wednesday to prepare for the Test against Argentina.



73 Comments

  • A PROBABLE 22man squad for the Arg squad as reported by Superrugby:

    Backs: Conrad Jantjes, Percy Montgomery, Bryan Habana, JP Pietersen, Adi Jacobs, Jean de Villiers, Frans Steyn, Butch James, Ricky Januarie, Fourie du Preez.

    Forwards: Joe van Niekerk, Pierre Spies, Schalk Burger, Juan Smith, Bakkies Botha, Victor Matfield, Andries Bekker, Tendai Mtwarira, Gurthro Steenkamp, CJ van der Linde, Bismarck du Plessis, Adriaan Strauss.

  • Comment 1, posted at 28.07.08 09:46:25 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Keo has Ruan Pienaar starting at # 10.

    The shock to me is that nobody has grant in their probable sides.

  • Comment 2, posted at 28.07.08 09:50:29 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : Big surprise indeed. Expect outrage from Cape Media if Ruan is picked/ played ahead of Grant. :wink:

  • Comment 3, posted at 28.07.08 10:10:48 by blackshark Reply
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  • I’m sure there’ll be plenty of surprised pricks…

  • Comment 4, posted at 28.07.08 10:13:12 by bryce_in_oz Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 3) :

    Not JUST the CT media. Me as well. :wink:

    PDV needs to stop messing with the side now and get his match 22 sorted so that they can play the Argies as a “warm-up” before taking on the ABs with the SAME team a week later.

    stop fooking with the changes.

  • Comment 5, posted at 28.07.08 10:13:21 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 4) :

    surprised pricks or surprising picks? :lol: Or Both :oops:

  • Comment 6, posted at 28.07.08 10:14:10 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • :oops:

  • Comment 7, posted at 28.07.08 10:17:12 by bryce_in_oz Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 5) : I would play a strong team too and risk the injuries.

  • Comment 8, posted at 28.07.08 10:26:18 by blackshark Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 8) :

    Same here.

    rather risk the injury (it is the nature of the game after-all) than be lambasted for not letting your side settle.

  • Comment 9, posted at 28.07.08 10:31:16 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Boks vs Argentina… :mrgreen:

    15. Jantjes
    14. JP
    13. Jacobs
    12. JDV
    11. Habana
    10. James
    9. Januarie
    8. Spies
    7. Smith
    6. Burger
    5. Matfield (c)
    4. Botha
    3. CJ
    2. Du Plessis
    1. Steenkamp

    Bench:

    16. Strauss
    17. Mtawarira
    18. Bekker
    19. Van Niekerk
    20. Du Preez
    21. Steyn
    22. Montgomery

  • Comment 10, posted at 28.07.08 10:34:55 by Charlie Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) : With so many injuries occuring during training…it’s not such a big risk anyway.

  • Comment 11, posted at 28.07.08 10:41:17 by blackshark Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 10) : Honestly, I can live with that.

  • Comment 12, posted at 28.07.08 10:42:37 by blackshark Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 10) :

    Would be great if he actually chose that team.

    Although i would play percy ahead of Jantjes.

  • Comment 13, posted at 28.07.08 10:44:42 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 11) : :razz: true.

  • Comment 14, posted at 28.07.08 10:45:38 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • World Cup-winning prop Jannie du Plessis, who has been in impressive form for the Sharks

    erm theres the small matter of one Hienke VD Merwe..or are Lions players not considered good enough anymore :cool:

    Id also look at either Botes,Baywatch or Brussouw to be in the squad for the matches against Aus.

  • Comment 15, posted at 28.07.08 10:45:53 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 13) : I just wish we didn’t have Percy’s 100th cap hanging over us. Would it be a trainsmash if he didn’t get it in Cape Town ?

  • Comment 16, posted at 28.07.08 10:47:01 by blackshark Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 15) :

    yeah I don’t think jannie has been playing that well.

    Agree with those loosies and would probably go with Baywatch ahead of Danie Rossouw. Would have gone with brussouw if he wasn’t out for 6 weeks.

  • Comment 17, posted at 28.07.08 10:49:00 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 15) : Jannie du Plessis, who has been in impressive form for the Sharks

    The only person who might be impressed right now is his MAMA.

  • Comment 18, posted at 28.07.08 10:51:02 by blackshark Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 16) :

    Nope.

    Well not IMO anyway, but i think he is better than jantjes and that is why I want him ahead of him in the team.

  • Comment 19, posted at 28.07.08 10:51:24 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • blackshark

    I don’t think Grant will be selected for the squad which is really baffling considering he is a genuine flyhalf and he has been SA’s most consistent 10 for the past 2 years.

    I just don’t understand why PDV would select Ruan or Steyn ahead of him.

  • Comment 20, posted at 28.07.08 11:14:42 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 13) : Percy will start @ Newlands vs NZ in his 100 test cap… :wink:

  • Comment 21, posted at 28.07.08 11:15:07 by Charlie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 20) : take off your WP glasses, Wes. Grant will only be good when he moves back home to Durban…

  • Comment 22, posted at 28.07.08 11:16:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 20) : Was @ the Baba Indaba yesterday…quite interesting… :grin:

  • Comment 23, posted at 28.07.08 11:17:42 by Charlie Reply

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  • Is that so Charlie?

    I was there on Saturday morning… :oops:

    I’ve never seen so many prams in one place in my life… :shock:

  • Comment 24, posted at 28.07.08 11:21:42 by wpw Reply
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  • Rob

    Well we made him a Springbok!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 28.07.08 11:22:48 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 25) : Clearly you didn’t do a good job…I think we should take over from here… :razz:

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.07.08 11:30:54 by blackshark Reply

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  • Not gonna happen bs.

    :roll:

    Now if Coetzee had selected De Waal ahead of Grant this past weekend I’d be worried…

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.07.08 11:36:44 by wpw Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 26) : classic ;)

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.07.08 11:39:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 20) :

    because he is experimenting.

    If he wasn’t experimenting then it would be Butch James and Grant on the bench.

    PDV has done some strange things and I can only hope they are for experimental purposes and not mental purposes. :wink:

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.07.08 11:40:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Seriously though, Grant should have at least started against either Wales or Italy.

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    Just took this from Simon’s article on Voldy:

    “Grant’s tactical kicking and lack of distance on his touchline kicks has concerned the Bok management team.”

    :shock:

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.07.08 11:43:48 by wpw Reply
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    Can’t be Gary Gold and I know PDV rates Grant so it has to be Muir’s influence. :roll:

    (and I’m not stirring)

    The back up options at 10 happen to be two players from the Sharks. :evil:

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.07.08 11:46:54 by wpw Reply
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  • “Grant’s tactical kicking and lack of distance on his touchline kicks has concerned the Bok management team.”

    Did they not know this when they picked him? How much further does Butch James for instance kick the ball.

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.07.08 11:48:52 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 24) : Ja and the different models, looks like a few had been customised on “Pimp my Ride” :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.07.08 11:55:28 by Charlie Reply

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    At least his kicks don’t get charged down on a regular basis ala Fransie Steyn. :roll:

  • Comment 34, posted at 28.07.08 11:56:33 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 30) :

    Why do you bother? :wink:

    @wpw (Comment 31) :

    It is experimental stuff. FOOK I hope it is.

    But let’s just remember that when this ruan at 10 Kak came out last week or the week before PDV answered it by saying he wasn’t gonna mess with the team.

    Maybe there are more points given at the WP-Media awards if you talk a NON-WP player into the team. :roll:

  • Comment 35, posted at 28.07.08 11:56:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 31) : Not one of them has my support… :sad:

  • Comment 36, posted at 28.07.08 11:57:39 by Charlie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 34) : It’s a conspiracy. :wink:

  • Comment 37, posted at 28.07.08 12:00:10 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 37) :

    Has to be!!!!!!!!

    I mean we all know that WP playes are supposed to be the Springboks :wink:

  • Comment 38, posted at 28.07.08 12:05:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • i know rachel…. :evil: :evil: :evil:

  • Comment 39, posted at 28.07.08 12:06:43 by wpw Reply
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  • guys guys – i have an answer for your nr 10 problem!

    Andre Pretorius!!! (blink blink….)

    gees, i hope one of his experiments works before he gets back…

  • Comment 40, posted at 28.07.08 12:07:32 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 33) : you guys get to take the Jeep pram around the obstacle course?

  • Comment 41, posted at 28.07.08 12:09:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 40) : what we need ith a good Igor to fixth him good and proper.

  • Comment 42, posted at 28.07.08 12:10:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • I will be happy with most any team that is chosen but please don’t let the wet fart be the Captain.

    PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AG ASSEBLIEF TOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 28.07.08 12:25:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 43) : We do need a different captain. But just about impossible to do now without causing a stir.

  • Comment 44, posted at 28.07.08 12:46:13 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 10) : Good team… start Monty though…

  • Comment 45, posted at 28.07.08 12:54:19 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 30) :

    Actually our ‘A’ side should have been playing in the Aussie/Fiji/Tonga/Nz/Samoa comp… then we’d have known exactly where our ‘back-up’ stands and perhaps even saved Liebenberg from leaving our shores…

  • Comment 46, posted at 28.07.08 13:00:08 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 32) : Analytical skills are clearly not the Bok coaching team’s strong point… disturbing… very disturbing!

  • Comment 47, posted at 28.07.08 13:02:14 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 46) :

    I agree but it would be a logistical nightmare.

    The tourny is played over something like two months and becasue the countries are so close together it is not a big problem to hop on a plane for a match and be home the next day again.

    if we played it would be endless travelling and just give us another reason to bitch about the amount we have to travel as opposed to the guys down there. ;wink:

  • Comment 48, posted at 28.07.08 13:27:11 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) :

    just confirmed. The tourny ran from 7 June to 6 July

  • Comment 49, posted at 28.07.08 13:31:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The bit that worries me about this though is that keo is very seldom wrong with his probable teams/player selections. :sad:

    His source is obviously well connected.

  • Comment 50, posted at 28.07.08 13:47:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 45) : Would have also, but PDV will play Jantjes… :wink:

  • Comment 51, posted at 28.07.08 14:48:47 by Charlie Reply

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  • Charlie – did you get my mail?

  • Comment 52, posted at 28.07.08 14:56:35 by Nessa Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 10) : No way you have Beast on the bench when starting with Steenkamp and CJ. If CJ goes down we have no TH cover. If starting with CJ and Steenkamp, then you have to have a TH on the bench, which is the reason Mujati was on the bench for every game in Australasia, not because he is the next best prop, but because he was the only TH other than CJ.

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.07.08 16:08:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Hey DB

    Then surely Jannie is the next best option for the bench??? :roll:

  • Comment 54, posted at 28.07.08 16:36:39 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 54) : My personal choice would be to start with either Jannie or BJ if he is healthy, and have CJ on the bench. The point is that Steenkamp can only cover LH, and CJ can cover both, so we need TH cover on the bench if we start with CJ.

  • Comment 55, posted at 28.07.08 16:50:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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    I don’t think BJ will get a look in though.

  • Comment 56, posted at 28.07.08 16:59:26 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 56) : For no good reason Wes. Why is it a problem that he signed overseas, but it is not a problem that CJ has done the same thing? I don’t understand why BJ is on the outs, it does not make sense, and besides, Jannie has not been all that special this season, the last game BJ played he was fantastic.

  • Comment 57, posted at 28.07.08 17:01:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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    From what I’ve seen of BJ, he has never set the world alight when playing for the Boks.

    In fact, he has struggled to hold his own in most of the tests I’ve seen him play.

  • Comment 58, posted at 28.07.08 17:09:17 by wpw Reply
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  • I have a strange theory…although I don’t think it is a theory in totality I do think that in some form it will come true…

    I believe that PdV released certain players who he is not going to pick in the next squad…
    How else do you explain not releasing Spies (who played only 1 game same as Kanko)…or Joe who played 60 min in 2 games…

    The likes of Ruan could have been released for some game time at 10…which can prove my theory to be a bit far fetched…

    But I believe that PdV will not select any of the players he has released and select players the likes of FdP/JF as cover in the backs…
    That he is happy with his cover at loose forward with Schalk/Watson/Juan/Spies/Joe….
    That he will select Ruan as back-up to flyhalf…behind Butch and Steyn….and back 3…with Steyn and JF back up to the back 3 or using either Adi as back-up to the wings bringing in JF in the midfield…
    And bring in fresh props…a utility prop (Jannie and only cozz he is a untility prop) and have this feeling Heinke will get the nod….bring back Bismark and I have this feeling Smit will be back (if not Adrian will play)…

    I only think the only possible surprise might be Danie…and boi will that create a storm from the East Coast if he is selected ahead of their beloved Kanko….

  • Comment 59, posted at 28.07.08 17:16:01 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 58) : I’m going to have to disagree, BJ has been the only tighthead in SA that has held his own on a regular basis. Every other TH for the Boks has spent some time going backwards, BJ never goes backwards.

  • Comment 60, posted at 28.07.08 17:16:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • No reason or rime for that theory….craze thought of a “what might be”
    Or should we not read anything into the players that are released….

  • Comment 61, posted at 28.07.08 17:17:01 by Hmmm Reply

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  • I agree…and he has not pushed anyone off their ball from what I have seen either…

  • Comment 62, posted at 28.07.08 17:17:36 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 59) : Jannie is as much a utility prop as Mujati is. Luckily he is a better TH, but he has had very little game time at LH, and has showed nothing in that position. Quite honestly Carstens is a much better utility prop.

  • Comment 63, posted at 28.07.08 17:19:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Unfortunately Kanko has been a shadow of himself since his concussion in the Wales game. Right now he does not deserve to be in the squad over either Joe or Spies. Based on Super 14 form he is clearly the best 8 in SA, but his current form is far from that.

  • Comment 64, posted at 28.07.08 17:21:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 64) : seems he hurt his shoulder on Sat… that’s why he went off so early.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Yikes that is too bad, because right now I think Kanko needs as much game time as he can get to get back to his best.

  • Comment 66, posted at 28.07.08 17:24:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 66) : he might not miss out on the next game. Sounds like it wasn’t serious

  • Comment 67, posted at 28.07.08 17:33:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : That’s good, but he really didn’t seem like himself in the half he played.

  • Comment 68, posted at 28.07.08 17:34:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 68) : Agree. But he’ll be back. Class always comes through.

    Man, on the most boring conf call ever. Have one of the Indian fellows putting me to sleep.

  • Comment 69, posted at 28.07.08 17:40:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) :

    Did he go off early…..seriously though…I did not even pick that up!??!

    Must say…Deysel made a much needed dif!??!

  • Comment 70, posted at 28.07.08 17:48:03 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 70) : Kanko did not play the entire second half Hmmm, Keegan came on for him and looked much better in the second half. Reason I say Kanko is a shadow of himself at this point.

  • Comment 71, posted at 28.07.08 17:50:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 71) :

    Oh yeh I noticed he went off but thought it was to the 4th quarter….

  • Comment 72, posted at 28.07.08 17:51:48 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 70) : I think – no, in fact, I know – that we would not have beaten you without Deysel

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