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Fourie and Barritt’s different decisions


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Sharks on 3 Aug 2008 at 09:48
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Two top South African centers have made differing decision on their career paths during the last week.

Bradley Barrit, rated by some as one of the best centers in the Sharks outfit, will be joining Saracens in England and could qualify for England in the next few months.

According to a report in Rapport Barrit’s mother has a British passport and this could help Barrit qualify to play for England.

The news is a blow to South African Rugby and the Sharks, in particular, will feel disappointed at losing the services of their mid-field General.

Barrit should feel right at home at Saracens, with them boasting no fewer than four Ex-Springboks in Cobus Visagie, Neil De Kock, Brent Russel and soon Wikus Van Heerden.

Barrit and Van heerden will both be Joining Saracens at the conclusion of this season’s Currie cup competition.

According to reports Barrit already tried to make the Scotland u/19 squad in 2004, by travelling over to play in their trials, when he was not selected for the SA u/19 squad to play in the age group World Cup that year. His chances of selection were cut short through injury though.

Jaque Fourie has meanwhile turned down an offer of more than ZAR 1,000,000-00 from WP to join them next season.

Fourie says in Rapport that he is flattered to hear that unions are prepared to pay that sort of money for his services.

He carried on by saying: I heard from my agent about the amount, but can tell you now that I am going nowhere. My contract with the Lions only expires in 2009 and until then I will fulfill my commitments to them”

He did add though, “What happens after that will have to be seen.”

“I understand WP are prepared to pay a lot of money for me to play for them next season, but I am staying with the Lions, especially because I have not played a lot of rugby for them this year” said Fourie



185 Comments

  • Holy shit!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.08.08 09:50:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • can’t say I’m surprised. Gutted, but not surprised.

    Sarries is my club now, I guess.

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.08.08 09:52:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • We need a support group for Rob.

    For the record, I dont think he has any grounds to complain about.

    He has made his decision, good luck to him, but please spare us any KP-type beatings.

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.08.08 09:53:30 by Big Fish Reply
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  • This is probably NOT going to be the most popular comment of the day.

    This may just be a blessing for the Sharks AND SA Rugby.

    Inline with my thoughts on the ruan at 6s and 7s thread. This may finally give Francois Steyn a whole season at 12 and that IMO will be the chance he needs to get his confidence back.

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.08.08 09:56:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 3) : He’s not the sort of guy to do that

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.08.08 09:59:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :
    I wont go as far as to say that KSA – he is a good player, the smart, hard-working type who is easyto overlook. That being said, I didnt think he had a great S14.

    I wish he wasn’t leaving, but I think we will manage without him. Maybe Ruan at 10 and Frans at 12 will prove to be the answer.

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.08.08 09:59:36 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 6) : Then where do we play Swannie?

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.08.08 10:00:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) :
    Not sure if Swanepoel is a 12 or 13. He didnt need to play an archetypal 12 role yesterday as we had them on the backfoot a lot and the pack were cracking open space.

    At 12 in the S14, he may well need to be more creative and play with less time and space. He is a huge and quick lad, so 13 he can do, does he have the skills for 12? We will have to see.

    He was great on the break and a big tackler though.

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.08.08 10:04:15 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 6) :

    No, not IMO.

    Ruan has made it CLEAR he wants to play 9. I believe for the good of SA Rugby the Sharks should either play him at 9 even if it is off the bench one week and starting the next week in a rotation system with Kockott OR they should let him go to the Cheetahs who don’t HAVE a scrumhalf.

    But he needs a full season at 9 for a S14 franchise.

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.08.08 10:05:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) : Yeah, but Steyn’s a flyhalf, remember? At this rate, we’ll have to pick Rory at fullback

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.08.08 10:06:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) : So who’s going to play flyhalf for us, if not Ruan?

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.08.08 10:07:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • Man, I am seriously upset about this

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.08.08 10:09:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) :

    We need to find a flyhalf, NOT retread one.

    Imagine if we had a good flyhalf in the S14, how well we would have done.

    RP needs a shot at 9 for a sustained period. He has asked for it and i think the Sharks and SARU should give it to him.

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.08.08 10:10:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) :
    If he wants to play 9, then so be it. I cant remember him ever REALLY excelling at 9 or 10 in a very long time.

    @robdylan (Comment 10) :
    I’d still like to see Steyn at 10, but he may well start at 12, like many before him.

    If not, lets see Swan at 12 for a while – preferably with a proper 9 and 10.

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.08.08 10:10:56 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 13) : But Rory is a better scrumhalf that Ruan. So if the latter is happy with a bench role for the Sharks and no role for the Boks, he should stay at 9. He could walk into either starting team at 10. As for Frans, someone needs to tell him that he’s unlikely to be a great 10, but could be an amazing fullback

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.08.08 10:15:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) :
    Sorry bro. However, Brad is showing a great lack of patience. Rugby changes quickly. Imagine if Schalk Britz had accepted Jake’s personal invitation and flown off when invited to? Same for Adi Jacobs. He might have had a brilliant season next year, and then been a Bok – now, however, he will go off to play in the colours of some mediocre rugby nation.

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.08.08 10:16:01 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 14) :

    that’s the gist of his article though, that he hasn’t really had a chance to play at 9 since his injury.

    “I haven’t played a full game at nine since last year’s Tri- Nations (against New Zealand in Durban) and that’s been frustrating. It’s been a difficult year for me, hopefully I can get a chance there again.”

    After being injured I didn’t play so well and Rory (Kockott) came into the side and took his chance,” he said, “Then I had to slot in at 10 under pretty difficult circumstances in the Super 14. We still made the semifinals but my confidence hasn’t been as high as it has been.

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.08.08 10:16:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Anyway, it’s not like there are 100s of great flyhalves just lining up waiting for the Sharks to sign them. Unless we let Swannie play ten, but I’m not convinced that will work

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.08.08 10:17:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • This is definitely not good news. Brad is the kinda player you need to have in a team. Not so fancy but effective. Good luck to him…now Im wondering about the injuries…

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.08.08 10:18:51 by blackshark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 17) :
    If you aren’t better than the other guy competing for your possie, you probably wont get to play a full game. You cant complain about that.

    Rory took his chance with both hands – he has the steady temperament that Ruan seems to lack.

    I hope he finds his mojo, but he has been poor for a while now.

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.08.08 10:20:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :

    I agree that Kockott is better than RP.

    That is why I am saying he (RP) should be given a chance to regain his confidence (for the big picture) If we can’t afford him that chance in Dbn then send him to a S14 side that does not have a scrumhalf. In this case that would be the Cheetahs.

    Let’s rather have 5 good scrummys playing S14 fulltime (FdP, Vermaak, Kockott, Ricky, RP) thus increasing the selection pool of “match fit” players rather than have some of them playing for the same province and getting no game time to the detriment of the Boks

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.08.08 10:22:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) :

    I’m afraid we need to go shopping and if the Sharks management haven’t already done that then we have a huge concern IMO.

    We have known for sometime now that we will not have Butch or Freddy in next seasons S14 so i can only hope that come the end of the CC, the Sharks will announce a new flyhalf signing.

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.08.08 10:24:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Lets not forget to give some credit to Fourie too though – turning down a Million cant be easy.

    “I understand WP are prepared to pay a lot of money for me to play for them next season, but I am staying with the Lions, especially because I have not played a lot of rugby for them this year” said Fourie”

    And he feels a sense of loyalty to the Lions.

    Respect!

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.08.08 10:28:04 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Loyalty till 2009…but I guess thats better than nothing.

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.08.08 10:34:26 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 23) :

    “Ek verstaan die WP is bereid om ’n klomp geld te betaal sodat ek volgende jaar vir hulle kan uitdraf, maar ek gaan by die Leeus bly, veral omdat ek nog nie vanjaar baie rugby vir hulle gespeel het nie,” het Fourie gesê.

    This is what it said in Afrikaans, I hope I got the translation right :wink:

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.08.08 10:36:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 24) :

    There was a portion in the original article that he may go overseas but I ignored it purely because it was speculated upon and then not justified in any manner.

    Die veelsydige speler, wat al heelagter, vleuel en senter vir Suid-Afrika gespeel het, het dit egter duidelik gemaak dat hy nie sommer vir ’n ander plaaslike unie sal speel nie, maar eerder oorsee sal uitwyk, sou die regte geleentheid hom voordoen.

    It says he made it clear that he may look overseas and then gives no quote to substantiate the comment. (More Rumour mongering IMO)

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.08.08 10:40:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 25) :
    Seems spot on to me.

    @blackshark (Comment 24) :
    You cant expect more – this is his livelihood after all.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.08.08 10:42:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 22) : nah dude. Sharks ain’t doing squat shopping. We’re going to end up with Dumond or Borgen playing flyhalf in the Super 14 if RP doesn’t get over his little problem.

    And talk of sending Pienaar to Free State is just crazy. The Sharks pay him a lot of money – time for him to pull finger. If flyhalf is where the team needs him, that’s where he must play

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.08.08 12:02:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • BTW – it was actually Brad’s wish that this news didn’t break until after the season. He’s actually quite upset that the story has got out.

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.08.08 12:04:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : Look if we need him there then we need him there but, and maybe I am placing to much faith in the management here, I would like to believe they are aware of the problem and will show us a new flyhalf soon.

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.08.08 12:06:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) :

    I gather you have been in contact.

    I am afraid though that something like this would not have been able to be kept underwraps for that long. Obviously his agent or someone in the know let JJ Harmse (original source) know.

    And for Brad’s sake I hope the Sharks management at least knew about it.

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.08.08 12:09:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) :

    I am sorry about this but in hindsight I think he needs a slap upside the head.

    WHY would he not want this news to break? Would it in some way affect his relationship with the Sharks, thus indicating they didn’t know? it surely wouldn’t be for any other reason that i can think of.

    So that then leads me to a next question. Isn’t it rather bridge burning like behaviour to be part of a union and in fact be one of the corner stones of that union’s S14 team to NOT tell that union that you are leaving until the last minute and thus not giving them time to look for a suitable replacement?

    I really DO hope there is some other reason why he was not keen on this news breaking.

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.08.08 12:23:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 32) : You are jumping to some HUGE conclusions there, oubaas. I’m sure the sharks management know all about it

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.08.08 12:40:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :

    That is all good and well but then I would LOVE to know what other reason there would be for him not wanting this to become public knowledge?

    He would not be the first player to inform his union via the media that he is leaving.

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.08.08 12:47:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) : Maybe cos he doesn’t want to disrupt the team with a huge media storm? He’s just hacked off that nobody consulted him or even bothered to get the full story

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.08.08 12:49:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • I think, in between some of all the valid ( and some invalid ) ideas that are flying around here, you guys are managing to address more issues that you may be aware of. RD and KSA you have both over the past week or two tried to JINX TALK Barrit back into the team. Understandably. Yet since yesterday you both were beginning to sort of accept that it was not going to happen quickly.

    Had his cronic injuries then maybe played a part in this whole saga? I am inclined to think so. There are similarities as to the Bakkies Botha incident. And THAT would explain a lot about the mood of everybody. Coach, players attitude, administrators and so forth. IF I am even partly right, I just hope that this was the boil bursting and that from here on we can look forward to the healing process and decent rugby from the Sharks. There was traces of that yesterday!! :smile:

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.08.08 12:56:30 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : Deysel for flyhalf!!…. I mean aa.a.. Deysel for president!!.. .. a ..yes something like… I’m sure??… :grin: :grin:

    Hey RD, if you are a creator of these thingys that we add in here, how about one scrathing his head?? :cool:

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.08.08 13:06:46 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • Sounds like the Sharks are already targetting 12′s…heard they’ve already spoken to one of the Lions.

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.08.08 13:14:41 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 38) :

    Interesting

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.08.08 13:16:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 38) : Hey Walter!!
    I was putting a piece together to tell these dudes that if they leave everytime I join, I’m going to take over their site by just not leaving myself!! :grin:

    Nah, we ( Sharks ) spoke to AP. We love to buy cronically injured sissy’s to help out other unions!! :wink:

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.08.08 13:19:20 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 39) :

    He doesn’t really want to go, but money talks, doesn’t it.

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.08.08 13:20:38 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 40) :

    Who left when you joined?

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.08.08 13:22:59 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 42) : Everybody! :sad:
    Maybe they’re just feeling mean. But after yesterdays rugby there should be a lot of people feeling quite good, and that should include you. I feel a lot better after the much improved Sharks performance. And the Lions are really looking better and better. Ominous for us.

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.08.08 13:27:16 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • IMO Willem Alberts and Jean Deysel are two bright “boytjies” allready starting to put pressure on the more settled players. And I know it is still early days, but talent is talent. Therefor KSA, I quite agree with one of your earlier statements that the Sharks should invest time and money into “finding/cultivating” a flyhalf. I find it astonishing that there can be such a lack of decent flyhalves around, whatwith the wealth of players coming through every year.

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.08.08 13:33:31 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 43) :

    It’s good for the Lions that we won, but it wasn’t really a convincing victory like it’s made out in the press..Province really threatened in the last quarter when the score was 20-13, and it could easily have been 20-20 if the got through. The 27-13 scoreline does not tell the whole tale, lots of work for the Lions ahead.

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.08.08 13:34:59 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 45) : Agreed. But from the first game to now there are marked improvements. Quite the right way to go, even if you are right that they have lots of work ahead. At least, and that is what I hope for for the Sharks, are things progressing in the right direction.

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.08.08 13:40:58 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 45) :

    I don’t want to change the topic of this thread so will answer on the Lions thread.

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.08.08 13:41:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I think this is great news for South African rugby. Barritt was never fullfilling his potential at the Sharks. His coaches aren’t geniuses, and he is consistently overlooked for the Springboks.

    I don’t want to see him play for England per se, but there is nothing worse than seeing such a great talent wasted.

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.08.08 21:11:59 by Alexander Graham Bell Reply

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  • @Alexander Graham Bell (Comment 48) : I agree that this is the right move for him, as much as I hate to admit it.

    Welcome to the site, BTW

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.08.08 21:16:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • Why is it that whenever a South African player doesn’t make the breakthrough in the national squad, they always pack up and try qualify for England?

    Barritt is NOT English, whether his mother has a British passport or not. He should be patient, he is still relatively young and as BF says didn’t have the greatest S14 season. He needs to force his way into the Bok squad based on the quality of his performances. Force PDV to pick him. Not just up sticks and try qualify for another national team!

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.08.08 22:36:02 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 50) : You honestly think he’ll play for the Boks in the next five years?

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.08.08 22:38:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 50) :
    Agree with you – just didnt want to get into a loaded subject myself – you put it much more sensitively then I could.

    @robdylan (Comment 51) :
    Did Adi Jacobs think 5 years ago that he would be playing for the Boks? Did JPP, Kanko or Waylon Murray know 2 years ago that they would be Boks?

    Like I said, good luck to Brad, but I share Ville’s sentiments.

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.08.08 23:22:44 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 52) : Well, I would be a hypocrite if I judged him for leaving SA, now wouldn’t I?

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.08.08 23:26:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) :
    Again, I’m not out to put the guy down, just saying how I view the subject.

    Too me there is a world of difference between going abroad for work (like you or any other rugby player in Europe) and setting out to qualify for another country.

    In hindsight, it makes me glad that he won’t play for the Boks – just as I am glad that KP or Rattlebones won’t. Its not a political or moral thing, just my view on patriotism.

  • Comment 54, posted at 03.08.08 23:39:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 54) : It’s also perfectly possible that Harmse is putting words into his mouth. If I know Brad, he’ll be going out to play his best game every week without any preconceived ideas about which National coach will call him first

  • Comment 55, posted at 03.08.08 23:51:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) :
    What will be, will be.

    I have my view on the subject, but I have been wrong before, and will be wrong many times again I am sure.

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.08.08 00:01:43 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : Thanks. I just had to post on this thread because I think Barritt, and SA players in general, are underrated. He needs to give himself the opportunity to succeed under a better coaching staff.

    @Big Fish (Comment 54) : You do realise that nowhere in the article does it say Barritt intends to play for England, don’t you? It was merely mentioned as a possibility. Isn’t this all supposed to be a rumour anyway?

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.08.08 03:21:53 by Alexander Graham Bell Reply

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  • @Alexander Graham Bell (Comment 57) :

    From Robs comments above that he has been in contact with Brad Barritt and that Barritt is upset by the early release of this news. I think we can safely accept that it is not a rumour.

    You are however correct that Barrit has not said he intends playing for England and that that bit is purely conjecture.

  • Comment 58, posted at 04.08.08 06:38:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 58) : These kind of stories or rumours will always leak out in the media…But Barritt needed patience, he is still so young why the rush… :roll:

  • Comment 59, posted at 04.08.08 07:46:49 by Charlie Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 58) : He has definitely signed for Saracens. I would regard everything else as conjecture at this point, knowing which journo wrote this

  • Comment 60, posted at 04.08.08 07:48:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 59) : Do YOU think he’s on Peter’s radar? I don’t

  • Comment 61, posted at 04.08.08 07:49:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • good for barritt. he will be missed but the guy has been given the raw end far too often. the big concern here is with frans now getting inside centre we have a big problem at 15. stefan cannot be allowed to stay there next year if we want to compete seriously in next years s14. adolf has his work cut for himself and will have to start earning his muchos in finding a suitable fullback and some competent replacement locks for next year. this news though answers why riaan swanepoel was thrown from bench 13 last saturday to starting 12 this past saturday. the news got to plum and he needed to get a quality 12 trained up as strauss doesn’t make the grade.

  • Comment 62, posted at 04.08.08 07:51:01 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 62) : I was hoping that an extended run would bring out the best in Strauss, but he’s pedestrian as ever. Great guy, limited center. Maybe he should play hooker like the rest of the clan

  • Comment 63, posted at 04.08.08 07:58:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • I hate to change the subject but KP has just been names Captain of the England cricket team: :shock:

    Kevin Pietersen emerged from crisis talks with coach Peter Moores to accept the England captaincy after Michael Vaughan’s tearful resignation brought an end to his five-year reign.

    The South African-born batsman’s relationship with Moores has been strained in recent months, so much so that the pair held a hasty clear-the-air meeting before Pietersen accepted the leadership role.

    It is understood they have agreed they can work together despite differences in their approaches to the game and Pietersen will be unveiled as England skipper in all forms of the game, Paul Collingwood having stepped down as captain of the one-day side.

  • Comment 64, posted at 04.08.08 08:09:23 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 64) : Oh great. At least they have a captain who’s even more of a tosser than ours, now

  • Comment 65, posted at 04.08.08 08:12:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 64) :

    Will just make whipping their arses 3 – 0 in the series so MUCH more enjoyable.

    GO Proteas!!!!!!!

  • Comment 66, posted at 04.08.08 08:15:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 61) : Not sure either, was not playing his best rugby this year, but surely thought that Jake White had an oppertunity to play Barritt when he was a cut above the rest… :wink:

  • Comment 67, posted at 04.08.08 08:18:04 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : yeah strauss hasn’t offered much other than a good defence. he is a great stand in, but not a full timer. rian showed some character, and reminds me a little of brad in his play. i won’t be surprised if this is next years s14 team.
    15. odwa (hasn’t the speed for wing, but has the experience not to be left out)
    14. waylon (been playing far too much crab for a centre time to move)
    13. riaan (solid and should do well here)
    12. frans (he isn’t a flyhalf yet, but he can hold his own at 12)
    11. jp (no brainer, in both senses)
    10. ruan (hopefully he accepts this role, he has the presence of mind for this role)
    9. rory (he may be a little selfish, but he does create some opportunities)
    8. ryan (duh who else)
    7. botes (same as above)
    6. deysel (aj had to leave, this guy is the sh.t)
    5. johan (not as captain so he can focus on his game)
    4. sykes (may not be a matfield but we don’t have much choice)
    3. pat/jannie (both these players need to train solidly under bj’s guidance before he leaves)
    2. john/bis (the captain and the player pity we cannot have both on the field at once)
    1. deon/beast (both are getting better all the time)

  • Comment 68, posted at 04.08.08 08:20:01 by try time Reply

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  • oh no, never saw charlie online. quick put adi next to riaan’s. although i still prefer adi as an impact player with albert.

  • Comment 69, posted at 04.08.08 08:22:35 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 69) : IMO, put his name before Fransie @ 12… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 70, posted at 04.08.08 08:24:25 by Charlie Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 69) : He he. I like your team, though. Think it’s potentially an amazing combo

  • Comment 71, posted at 04.08.08 08:26:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : yes obviously there are players that will also start depending on the opposition, but this should be the core of the team. the main thing is that they start getting some experience in their positions. brads departure could put the backline problem to bed and the sharks can finally get down to business. the amazing thing about the above team is it contains 4 good kickers rory, frans, riaan and ruan. they all need to get their success rates above 66.6% though (ok riaan hasn’t got one yet).

  • Comment 72, posted at 04.08.08 08:35:20 by try time Reply

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  • sorry put a “,” between start and depending without it the sentence doesn’t make sense.

  • Comment 73, posted at 04.08.08 08:36:49 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 68) : “2. john/bis (the captain and the player pity we cannot have both on the field at once)” – John played at prop at school level before being converted to hooker, and has played there for the Sharks and in France. I don’t see why we can’t give them both at least 60 minutes in EVERY game, overlapping and changing and resting and rotating. Hell, Bissy could shift to Flank at the scrums and have both John and himself on the pitch at the same time, or john at prop and bissy at hooker.

    There are many ways to skin a cat successfully, and there is every reason for the pair to both get as much game time as possible without one playing in the shadow of the other.

  • Comment 74, posted at 04.08.08 08:59:03 by hellbent Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 74) :

    good idea

  • Comment 75, posted at 04.08.08 09:01:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I wanted to add, John’s leadership is what we need, and what has been missing this year.

  • Comment 76, posted at 04.08.08 09:01:54 by hellbent Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 74) : i said that on the sharksrugby blog before it got closed down, when everyone was worried about bis’s contract. i said john should be contracted and play as a prop. but i like your idea of bis as a flank, he is a great cleaner at ruck time, and maybe with some extra time from not being stuck in the middle of the scrum he could be better.

  • Comment 77, posted at 04.08.08 09:08:09 by try time Reply

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  • Imagine bis, deysel and kanko as a loose trio!

  • Comment 78, posted at 04.08.08 09:11:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • yeah the sharks have a machine forward pack. we need to get our backline up and running asap. so many options come selection time. we just need one more solid lock in case of injuries, but maybe deysel can fill that position with bis at flank.

  • Comment 79, posted at 04.08.08 09:17:28 by try time Reply

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  • I don’t want to give the wrong impression, Bis would play hooker, but when John is on and playing prop, that’s fine, but if we need john on, but also can’t remove a prop, then shift Bissy to flank, just for the setpieces. We all know what he can do in the tight and loose, so I don’t think this would be too much disruption.

    Also, he, John and say Botes could all play 3/4s of every game, be satisfied that they are getting game time, all saving their bodies and curtting down on injuries, while all adding to the firepower.

    It’s a win-win situation, and something whoever criticised the Sharks for contracting John back again obviously didn’t even give thought to how everyone might be accommodated.

  • Comment 80, posted at 04.08.08 09:21:55 by hellbent Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 79) : Backline – Riaan Swanepoel is going to be the next big thing IMO.

    We need Odwa at 15, Stef needs to retire. I go with your backline in post 68 100%.

  • Comment 81, posted at 04.08.08 09:25:01 by hellbent Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 80) : we know what you meant. rob and i just like running away with things.

  • Comment 82, posted at 04.08.08 09:32:27 by try time Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 81) : yeah hopefully plum will settle the guys into positions soon so we can start getting stability in the backs. but stef has to go and frans has to be given a fixed position. riaan is looking very good. but i don’t want to blow up his ego too quickly, he must prove his worth.

  • Comment 83, posted at 04.08.08 09:35:20 by try time Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 81) :

    Talk about the next big thing. When I was in Dbn and we discussed the up and coming players, we both liked Dewald pretorius from the Valke if I remember correctly.

    I must say he has not really been as good in his last few games as he was in his first 2 or thre. :sad:

    Hope he bounces back.

  • Comment 84, posted at 04.08.08 09:40:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Howzit

    Sad news about him going. Not many Centers can get their hands through the tackle and offload like him. Really feel he has a place with the Sharks (even though he was treated poorly in the Semi) and SA Rugby. Jean has a limited life span and Steyn cant offload for a centre, plays the man and will have a target on his back.

  • Comment 85, posted at 04.08.08 09:45:23 by Strait runner Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 68) : Good team there TT…

    I say let’s get all we can get from Adi and start with him at 13. His recent perfomances have removed the “impact player-ONLY ” tag IMO. Riaan is definitely a good find though…I’m impressed.

    No offence to Sykes (and Ice) but I wish we had a Bok class lock…unless Sykes can really step up his game in the remaining CC games.

    Still hoping Ruan will meditate and then realise that it will make a lot of sense if he plays 10…for the Sharks and Boks.

  • Comment 86, posted at 04.08.08 09:46:51 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 86) : but you mentioned the important thing there, team. it doesn’t matter who you put on the field, they have to play as a team. the sharks have hopefully learnt this year that as individuals they won’t make it and in the process ruin their bok aspirations. in saying that, this is what peed me off about the bok selections. the two players that are the best team players in the country have both been shunned. brad and jacques both give 120% and yet get overlooked.

  • Comment 87, posted at 04.08.08 09:55:17 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : Great idea!!

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 75) : KSA!!!! Feeding shamelessly off Rassie’s inventfull ideas?? :shock: :shock:

    Or have you okes now decided it was AC?

    Still say the Sharks should open their money bags as wide as they can and buy Rassie!! Watch the WP and Stormers going places with him.

  • Comment 88, posted at 04.08.08 10:15:09 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 87) : Yeah…pity about Brad and Jacques…especially Jacques because he’s been consistent for as long as I can remember.

    TEAMWORK is always the keyword in all team sports. A bunch of 15 / 22 talented individuals can only do so much.

  • Comment 89, posted at 04.08.08 10:36:27 by blackshark Reply

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  • Impressive Jacques…very impressive….need more players as loyal as he and Andre Pretorius…
    Well Andre will have to play 2 years after his contract expires to make up for all the time injured…LoL

  • Comment 90, posted at 04.08.08 10:42:52 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Very high scoring week in the FL…
    I scored my highest ever and was placed 17th for the round…
    Seems the majority of the players are from the Sharks and LIONS sides!??!

  • Comment 91, posted at 04.08.08 10:44:24 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Even though 17th for the round…seems players way down were the ones that scored well for the round and it was enough to get me back into the top 10 (placed 9th)….

  • Comment 92, posted at 04.08.08 10:45:33 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 92) : Got a few points from the Sharks , Bulls and BAYWATCH…but I’m afraid I still have too many players out.

    Out of the squad of 26, only 15 were involved in CC action…that just sums it up.

  • Comment 93, posted at 04.08.08 11:17:05 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 93) :

    @Hmmm (Comment 92) :

    I think Rob made an error when he updated the scores.

    JL Potgieter scored 5 kicks this week and I got no points for him. :roll:

    Leopards: Tries: Deon van Rensburg (2), Jan van Zyl. Conv:: Clayton Durandt. Penalties: Durandt (4).

    Griffons: Tries: Albert Parsons (2). Conversions: Jacques-Louis Potgieter (2). Penalties: Potgieter (3).

  • Comment 94, posted at 04.08.08 11:25:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 94) : poephol!

  • Comment 95, posted at 04.08.08 11:44:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : Ha ha ha … and I’m loving the new poll… :lol:

  • Comment 96, posted at 04.08.08 12:03:25 by blackshark Reply

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  • Will be good to see Bradley running out in the black and red next year…

  • Comment 97, posted at 04.08.08 12:41:19 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 97) : will have to join you at Vicarage Road

  • Comment 98, posted at 04.08.08 12:51:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) :

    Really, really shitty stadium. But a good laugh and a good crowd.

    They sell these season tickets where you can buy a pack of 5 games and then just decide which ones you’d like to attend in the season.
    And you can even use all 5 for the same game and take some mates!

  • Comment 99, posted at 04.08.08 13:29:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 99) : Sounds good

  • Comment 100, posted at 04.08.08 13:31:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • I always laugh when I see the new players joining Sarries.
    The majority have played games in front of 60,000 people at least and then they pitch at Sarries and Vicarage Road sells out at something like 18,000!
    Most of the smaller premiership sides are in a similar situation and very few of them own their own stadia.

    It really must feel like a step down for some of the guys.

  • Comment 101, posted at 04.08.08 13:53:43 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 93) :

    LoL…I also had a lot of players out…some have not even socred a single point for me (Kaalvoetjie/Cilliers/and Hougaardt 2)…

  • Comment 102, posted at 04.08.08 14:51:20 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 94) :

    LoL….does that actually count!??!

  • Comment 103, posted at 04.08.08 14:53:21 by Hmmm Reply

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  • I wonder if either Wikus or Brad realise that Saracens didn’t make the cut for the Heineken Cup for next season…

  • Comment 104, posted at 04.08.08 16:06:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Now that I read this I have less respect for Barrit…
    If he wanted to up and away just cozz he did not make the U19 squad and want’s to up and away just cozz he did not make the Bokke training squad then he is not worthy of selection…I mean he is not all that hot to feel aggrieved…

    I do believe the Sharks treated him very well over the years and invested a lot in him…and he is even more injury prone than AP…so he could have at least shown some form of loyalty there…

  • Comment 105, posted at 04.08.08 17:01:45 by Hmmm Reply

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  • For Die Haaie the departure of Bradley Barritt is a huge loss.
    Really pity. I hope he changes his mind meanwhile…who knows! :shock:

  • Comment 106, posted at 04.08.08 17:02:45 by H.O. Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 103) :

    No :lol:

  • Comment 107, posted at 04.08.08 17:08:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 105) :
    I have to agree with you on that call, he has even captained the team before and must realise that the Sharks rate him highly. He can maybe feel agrieved about not getting a call up to the training camp but certainly cannot expect to be in the Bok squad, not with the form that JdeV is in. It is a pity though and I wonder if we havent seen the last of him in a Sharks jersy.

  • Comment 108, posted at 04.08.08 17:13:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Just shows the different in character’s of the players…
    Jacques Fourie sitting pretty and could pretty much demand money…but chooses to be human and not for sale….and puts his team first before himself…

    And the fact that he feels he owes the LIONS some game time because of his run of injuries lately is even more impressive…

  • Comment 109, posted at 04.08.08 17:32:03 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 108) :

    And all that while he has been injury prone for most of his career at the Sharks…(cannot remember a single season where he was not out for a few games due to injury)…
    They still invested in him and still selected him ahead of Strauss when he returned from injury even though Strauss was playing well that year (think it was 2006)…

  • Comment 110, posted at 04.08.08 17:35:30 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 105) and Comment 108, posted by Salmonoid: You’re basing you assumptions on what one journalist with questionable ethics and credibility has said, based on “according to reports” he uses to back up his comments.

    There are two sides to a story, although facts do get in the way of a good sensationalist one!

    Someone went afishin and caught he some big uns!

    :oops:

  • Comment 111, posted at 04.08.08 17:50:26 by hellbent Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 111) :

    Well if he is not leaving the Sharks and if he did not try and get into the Scotland u/19 squad when he did not make the SA one then I’ll take back what I said…

    Else I stand by what I said….especially if compared to a player like Jacque who actually has reason to flaunt himself….

  • Comment 112, posted at 04.08.08 18:02:58 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Well he didn’t turn down playing for SA Under 21s in 2006

  • Comment 113, posted at 04.08.08 18:51:44 by hellbent Reply

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  • Who cares if he tried to get into the scotaldn u/19 side.

    Any decent player worth his salt will do anything to eat at the top table.

    If I wasn’t getting where I wanted to be in the current company I’m workign for then for sure I’ll move on to a competitor! Brad’s thing is the same. He wanted to eb a profesisoanl rugby player and recognised that he ahd top make his mark at age-group level to have a chance of turing his dream into reality. So he did what was necessary and is doubtlessly doing the same thign here.

    Comment like yours are pathetic hmmy as it puts an out-dated concept like Volk en Vaderland” before everything else.
    And doubtless if Fourie wasn’t a Lions player you would have another opinion – that’s your usual modus operandi.

  • Comment 114, posted at 04.08.08 19:04:31 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 110) : Strauss has never played well!

  • Comment 115, posted at 04.08.08 19:14:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 114) : would your opinion be any different if he had signed for a club other than Sarries? ;)

  • Comment 116, posted at 04.08.08 19:15:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hellbent (Comment 111) : HB, I could not let this one go by, logged in just for this. OF COURSE THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO A STORY.!! There are the wrong side and then there are my side!!!! :lol:

  • Comment 117, posted at 04.08.08 19:32:09 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 116) : Rob, what are the news on Rory Kockett? Will he play anytime soon?

  • Comment 118, posted at 04.08.08 19:37:52 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 118) : still three weeks away, I think.

    Ok, I’m off to rugby practice. Pray for me!

  • Comment 119, posted at 04.08.08 19:55:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 54) : 100% spot on BF. I am exactly the same when it comes to patriotism!

  • Comment 120, posted at 04.08.08 22:21:05 by Villie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 119) : I’m ALIVE

  • Comment 121, posted at 04.08.08 22:26:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 121) :

    Barely?

    Question is will you be able to get out of bed in the morning? :lol: or is that why you took a weeks leave? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 122, posted at 04.08.08 22:27:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 121) : What position you playing?

  • Comment 123, posted at 04.08.08 22:34:23 by Villie Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 122) : It actually doesn’t seem so bad now. Even packed down at lock once! It will hurt tomorrow, though. Of that I’m sure

  • Comment 124, posted at 04.08.08 22:34:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 120) :
    Dulce et decorum est / Pro patria mori?

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 122) :
    I can relate to our mutual friend.

    Just got back into indoor cricket after a few years, and man, I come home with new aches after every game.

    I’m quite ashamed of how unfit I have become.

    I used to be a young adonis! :roll:

  • Comment 125, posted at 04.08.08 22:34:44 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 124) :

    And even more the next day :mrgreen:

  • Comment 126, posted at 04.08.08 22:35:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 123) : Looks like I’ll be at flank or 8

  • Comment 127, posted at 04.08.08 22:36:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 127) : You a “fetcher”? :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 128, posted at 04.08.08 22:38:30 by Villie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 127) :
    Steven Sykes all over again? :shock:

  • Comment 129, posted at 04.08.08 22:39:39 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 125) : Cricket is for girls

  • Comment 130, posted at 04.08.08 22:39:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 128) :

    He won’t be capable of fetching his own beers by tomorrow afternoon :lol:

  • Comment 131, posted at 04.08.08 22:42:16 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 128) : I’m a reserve

  • Comment 132, posted at 04.08.08 22:42:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 131) : Lucky my dad arrives tomorrow :-)

  • Comment 133, posted at 04.08.08 22:43:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • Oh BTW before I forget.

    I will be MIA for most of the morning tomorrow. Family is arriving back and I have to collect them in Bahrain in the am.

  • Comment 134, posted at 04.08.08 22:44:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 130) :
    Come say that in my good ear. :evil:

  • Comment 135, posted at 04.08.08 22:44:58 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 133) :

    you’re supposed to be HIS fetcher NOT the other way around :lol:

  • Comment 136, posted at 04.08.08 22:45:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 135) :

    Dude just coz the umpire gave you a flatty on the ear doesn’t make it a man’s game. :roll:

    Sorry couldn’t resist that flashing target. :oops:

  • Comment 137, posted at 04.08.08 22:46:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 134) : So we’re both doing the airport run :-)

  • Comment 138, posted at 04.08.08 22:47:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 137) :
    Waddle closer so I can reach over and punch you in your nose. :evil:

  • Comment 139, posted at 04.08.08 22:47:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Ah. Good old evening banter without the fjeln factor. I love Sharksworld so much

  • Comment 140, posted at 04.08.08 22:49:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 138) :

    Yeah!!

    Articles for the morning are already up though and with us having such a nice crowd here we will be able to leave the site unattended without them trying to launch a hostile take-over :wink:

  • Comment 141, posted at 04.08.08 22:50:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 139) :

    Hold on it may take me a while to get off the couch :oops:

  • Comment 142, posted at 04.08.08 22:51:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • My last night as a bachelor. :cool: :cool:

  • Comment 143, posted at 04.08.08 22:52:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 142) :
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 143) :
    You better ice that wrist there laddie. :wink:

  • Comment 144, posted at 04.08.08 22:54:19 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 144) :

    Not sure to :mrgreen: or :oops:

  • Comment 145, posted at 04.08.08 22:57:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Ok. Bed for me. Early start tomorrow. Sleep tight, gents

  • Comment 146, posted at 04.08.08 22:58:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 146) :

    Night dude.

    Pumkin hour has just arrived here so i best get off to bed as well.

    See ya on the morrow.

  • Comment 147, posted at 04.08.08 23:00:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Last man standing I guess.

    Time for me too to answer the call of divine Hypnos.

    Adieu my friends.

  • Comment 148, posted at 04.08.08 23:03:27 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 147) : dude – try not to squash the marrow ;)

  • Comment 149, posted at 05.08.08 06:35:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hellbent (Comment 111) :
    When the only story is that by the “journalist with questionable ethics” then that is what one will believe until the counterside is made public. The longer that takes the more the first report will be believed – no matter who the journalist is.

  • Comment 150, posted at 05.08.08 08:51:41 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 114) :
    The top table is definatly not anywhere in the UK, or Europe for that matter – well not for top table players anyway. That table is right here in SA. This is rugbywise speking not moneywise.

  • Comment 151, posted at 05.08.08 09:00:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 114) :

    I am not talking of loyalty to volk and vaderland (although if we ever hope it creating a South Africa that can sustain all of its people we need more to believe in it)…but that was not what my comment was about…and no…the fact that Fourie is a LION has nothing to do with it…I commented on that when Habana decided to stay with the Bulls turning down offers from the Sharks…

    I was talking of the character of the man based on his reactions…and compared to a player in the same
    He did not make the u/19 side (ran off)…been paid for months by the Sharks and did not playing…only a guess (so don’t hold me to it)…but I am sure he has been paid during competitions whilst being injured than what he has played…I don’t think there has been a competition where he has not missed a few games due to injury…and yet the Sharks still pick him in the backline ahead of almost anyone else…IT WOULD SEEM HE IS EXPECTENT AND WHEN HE DOES NOT GET HIS WAY HE RUNS OFF
    Not everything is about how much money you can squeeze out of anyone…where has humanity gone…everything your company has done for you!??! Made you who you are…paid for you while you were injured/unable to work and deliver on what you been paid for…
    It is not like the Sharks are doing him in or anything like that!??!
    Where has the loyalty gone in this world…humanity…

  • Comment 152, posted at 05.08.08 10:40:22 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 152) :

    A contract is a contract is a contract…
    The same as your wife…do you just pack up and leave cozz you met a woman that is prepared to take you and earns more money that your current wife….

  • Comment 153, posted at 05.08.08 10:44:02 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 152) :

    I guess we are just not cut from the same cloth…you cut from a dollar bill and I am cut from a soil of the earth…

  • Comment 154, posted at 05.08.08 10:44:41 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 152) :

    You a person that a definitely will not invest in in my company…
    Should I be able to benefit from you I’ll most definitely make a business decision if I could benefit from a person like you…but will not invest in you…cozz you will pack up and leave at the next gravy-filled train that passes by…so there is a large risk that the investment will not produce any long term returns…

  • Comment 155, posted at 05.08.08 10:47:44 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 115) :

    I disagree…he was one of the inform centers in the CC before he got injured….if memory serves Barrit played 10 when he was not injured….

  • Comment 156, posted at 05.08.08 10:50:40 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 152) :

    Comment 155, posted at 05.08.08 10:47:44 by Hmmm

    Why are you talking to yourself?

  • Comment 157, posted at 05.08.08 11:03:01 by hellbent Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 157) : Cos nobody else can figure out what he’s on about

  • Comment 158, posted at 05.08.08 11:19:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • He referred to three of his own posts, he must be desperate to have some feedback on what he says!

  • Comment 159, posted at 05.08.08 11:32:53 by hellbent Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 157) :

    I am continuing on a comment that I posted to Vinne…so I am referring to my comment that refers to vinnie’s…I guess I was just too lazy to refer to both in the following comments…scrolling up to 114 seemed to but such a big effort at the time and I had to post before running to a meeting…

  • Comment 160, posted at 05.08.08 11:34:24 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 158) :

    I am sure if you take a few minutes to read through the conversation you would have a better idea…
    I don’t bother to explain the history in every comment following…I refer to the previous comments that refers to an initial comment I made…
    So I guess if you in the mood you will have to read them all to get what we are on about…

    But in a nutshell…me disappointed in Barrits character…especially when compared with Fourie (and the likes of Habana/Olivier/AndreP in the last year or so)…

  • Comment 161, posted at 05.08.08 11:37:42 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 159) :

    Actually referring to Vinnies comments…and even so…I don’t expect feedback on anything I say…else I’ll select the “e-mail me” option after commenting… :wink:

  • Comment 162, posted at 05.08.08 11:39:30 by Hmmm Reply

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  • hey hmmmmm , you have been complaining about barritt on keo , ruggaworld and this site for the last 2 years , you either have a personal problem with brad or actually might even be besotted with him because thats all you ever talk about , dont question his character as he is a respected guy and honest , how can you compare barrit and jacque fourie anyway firstly fourie is in the boks and barritt isnt so obviously fourie will stay here ,we will only be able to comment about fourie and other boks after the british lions tour where i guarantee their will be a mass exodus, for now hmmmm go get a life and talk about something else

  • Comment 163, posted at 05.08.08 11:42:37 by jjj1 Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 161) : you know F all about his character, so don’t jump to conclusions. He never said he was going to play for England and he never tried out for Scotland. That’s just shit that Harmse made up, to keep the likes of you entertained.

  • Comment 164, posted at 05.08.08 11:45:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @jjj1 (Comment 163) : can I buy you a beer?

  • Comment 165, posted at 05.08.08 11:46:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @jjj1 (Comment 163) :

    No actually I been in Barrit corner since last year’s CC…and through the S14 and been saying that he is a pillar of the Sharks defense…and said on a few occasions that he has proved me wrong…

    Sure Robd can vouch for that…
    Merely making a statement that it is alarming that someone that has been rated sooo highly by his province and been given soooo much by this province and buts out just like that….

    So your information is quite old…and if you read my first post…I said “reading this” before I made that statement…and also said that if this is not true I’ll take back everything I’ve said…

    Don’t go ape when you only read half the story….

  • Comment 166, posted at 05.08.08 11:57:47 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Didn’t the Kiwis select only 2 south africans in their Overall Super 14 side, one being Barritt?

  • Comment 167, posted at 05.08.08 11:59:52 by hellbent Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 167) : correct.

  • Comment 168, posted at 05.08.08 12:02:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob, How about an exclusive on BB?
    This will surely help to allay speculation of a player we have come to admire and have seen as an integral part of the Sharks.

  • Comment 169, posted at 05.08.08 12:03:11 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 166) : “Don’t go ape when you only read half the story”

    What were you doing here:

    Now that I read this I have less respect for Barrit…
    If he wanted to up and away just cozz he did not make the U19 squad and want’s to up and away just cozz he did not make the Bokke training squad then he is not worthy of selection…I mean he is not all that hot to feel aggrieved…

    I do believe the Sharks treated him very well over the years and invested a lot in him…and he is even more injury prone than AP…so he could have at least shown some form of loyalty there…

  • Comment 170, posted at 05.08.08 12:03:13 by hellbent Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 164) :

    Robbie Robbie Robbie….I did say if that is not true I’ll take but what I said…
    But it is still alarming that he is not prepared to give back to the Sharks what they gave him…they stuck by him in spite of his endless injuries…I’d just except a person (well I don’t know if I just expect too much from people) would show that same respect and loyalty…
    Alla Habana/Olivier/AndreP/Jacques Fourie…
    Yes if there is no future in the current team…or you are struggling to get into the starting birth…etc…etc then I could understand…but I don’t see this with Barrit…I mean Steyn played all around Barrit (every position barring 12 in the backline this S14) until Barrit got injured…or is there more to it that we don’t know!??! Is nothing ever as it seems!??!

  • Comment 171, posted at 05.08.08 12:04:02 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 171) : he has 50 caps for the Sharks? Amazing how he did that, considering he’s always injured.

    You only ever see what you want to see.

  • Comment 172, posted at 05.08.08 12:05:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @jjj1 (Comment 163) :

    We not talking loyalty to country here…we talking loyalty to province who invested in a player…WP is not ANOTHER country…

  • Comment 173, posted at 05.08.08 12:07:09 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 170) :

    And no…I read what I read…and commented only on the article…if it is not credible why does Sharksworld post it!??! Or why don ‘t they say like many other sites do that the facts cannot be confirmed…even keo does that…

    I don’t know which journalists should be writing for tabloids who create stories to sell newspapers or which are credible reporters on what is happening in circles we have interest in…

    I will continue commenting what is posted…especially if I do not know any better than what is written….

  • Comment 174, posted at 05.08.08 12:11:44 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 164) : @robdylan (Comment 165) :

    Robd…sometimes when I read your comments it reminds me of keo.co.za

  • Comment 175, posted at 05.08.08 12:13:12 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Yes…and quite rightly so…
    He was the pillar of the Sharks defence and he got his hands over the tackles and got players into gaps in the odd occasion…plus made no errors I could think of…

  • Comment 176, posted at 05.08.08 12:14:56 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 175) : Good times, those. You remind me a lot of the guys there too

  • Comment 177, posted at 05.08.08 12:18:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • You both remind me of Ruggaworld. :twisted:

  • Comment 178, posted at 05.08.08 12:25:00 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 172) :

    Out of 27 matches a year since 2006…(excluding semi’s and finals)

    2006 was the year he played the most (10 S14 and 9 CC)

  • Comment 179, posted at 05.08.08 12:27:16 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 178) : Point taken. I’m going to pull out of this now. Apologies

  • Comment 180, posted at 05.08.08 12:29:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 178) :

    LoL
    Hey both those sites are actually ok…people just tend to get too emotional sometimes…
    Just hope the emotions do not persist here… :wink:

  • Comment 181, posted at 05.08.08 12:29:10 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 180) :
    @Hmmm (Comment 181) :
    Hey check out that devil – he is smiling, that comment was really said in jest and you are not anywhere near that level.
    I firmly believe that emotions are good things and vigerous debate, even bordering on “losing it” does wonders for ones psyche.

  • Comment 182, posted at 05.08.08 12:37:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 182) : I’m on my phone. Can’t see the smileys :-)

  • Comment 183, posted at 05.08.08 12:38:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • Will post it on this thread as well for future reference.

    Sharks Media Release

    Durban – Bradley Barritt will be leaving the Sharks at the culmination of the Absa Currie Cup to link up with UK Club side Saracens on a three year deal. The centre who has also shown his skills at flyhalf has already accumulated 58 caps for the Sharks since making his debut in 2006.

    Appointed vice captain because of his leadership abilities and organization of the backline, his season has been disrupted by injury but he is expected to start playing again either this week or following the three week break between the Province match this weekend and the game against Boland on Friday 29 August.

    Despite being contracted for another year, the Sharks have generously released him to leave later this year in the interests of his own development as a player.

    “From a team perspective, losing Brad is a big blow for all of us,” admitted Sharks Coach John Plumtree. “He is an outstanding Super 14 player, a good guy with great leadership qualities but we are not going to hold him back. He could even be back in a few years to play for us.”

    Turning just 22 this week, in three years time he would still be a youthful 25 years of age with plenty of rugby left in him, but with the added advantages of having experienced rugby in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, in competitions like the Super 14 and Heineken Cup.

    “He is still young enough to return to us and become a very valuable member for the Sharks,” Plumtree added. “We are going to miss him and we all wish him well.”

    “This is nothing to do with the Sharks,” explained Barritt. “I wouldn’t consider another option in South Africa, the Sharks is my home, where I grew up, but this is a unique opportunity as young guy to broaden my horizons.

    “I want to emphasise the point that I am not turning my back on the Sharks or Springbok rugby. This is a unique opportunity for me as a young player to grow and improve by playing in different conditions.”

    With the extended periods away from home during the Vodacom Super 14 and the fact that it is almost impossible to study, Brad will also use his time in the UK to complete his Business Degree, where he is majoring in finance.

    “It’s a nice opportunity to finish my degree overseas, it’s encouraged over there,” he pointed out.

    “Eddie Jones (the former Wallaby Coach, now coach at Saracens) and I had good chat, and we agree that experiencing rugby from a different perspective may help me grow and improve as a player.

    “I also see it as the chance to grow as a person away from my comfort zone.”

    He believes that it would be arrogant to even presume that by playing in England he would be selected to play for them. “It’s being presumptions on my part to go and play over there and expect to receive a call-up to the national squad.

    “I am not turning my back on South Africa, but if the opportunity arises I will obviously have to weigh up the merits of the case, the pros and cons. But in essence, I am going over to play for Saracens, that’s it.”

  • Comment 184, posted at 05.08.08 13:32:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 184) :
    Funny story this, creates more questions than answers.

  • Comment 185, posted at 05.08.08 13:51:49 by Salmonoid Reply
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