Barritt – I’m not turning my back on SA

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :In the news, Sharks on 5 Aug 2008 at 11:39
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A couple of decent journalists, among them Craig Lewis (a Sharksworld contributor) and Mike Greenaway have managed to get Brad Barritt’s side of the story.

Both scribes haves pieces currently up on and the applicable excerpts follow. Lewis writes:

The Sharks have confirmed Brad Barritt will be released at the end of the Currie Cup to take up a three year contract with English club Saracens.

The talented 21-year-old’s departure is a massive loss for the province and Springbok rugby but he has unequivocally stated that he is not “turning his back” on South Africa or the Sharks and is simply seeking to further his career.

“It’s nothing negative towards the Sharks or South Africa at all. It’s just a great opportunity for me to broaden my horizons,” he explained. “It’s a good time for me as a young guy to ply my trade there and be exposed to some fresh ideas.

He also quelled rumours that he made the decision in the hope that he might get an opportunity to play for England, as his family’s English ancestry would indeed help him to qualify.

“If the Springboks came knocking I would still be available. It’s just about having a new experience.”

Barritt also said there was no truth in a report that suggested he considered trying out for the Scotland team after school.

He explained that after matriculating from Kearsney in 2004, he was “approached by Bath University to study and play rugby there” and was also invited to an England U19 training camp, but that his intention was always to play for the Sharks.

Greenaway adds:

Barritt is probably the youngest South African Super 14 player to head for Europe, but he is keen to point out that he could be back one day.

“I am not turning my back on South Africa,” he said.

“There is nothing negative about my leaving the Sharks and going to England. It is a case of a good opportunity arising, and feeling that it is the right thing for me at this time. I would still love to play for the Springboks one day.” But if England call him up?

“Well then I would have to make a choice, but any talk of me playing for England is way premature. That is not something I am thinking about right now,” he said.

I hope these quotes will set the record straight and maybe convince some of you guys to tone down your hysterical Barritt-bashing.


  • Apparently the deal allows Barritt to return to the Sharks during next year’s Super 14 should injuries decimate the midfield. So contrary to him throwing his toys and jumping ship, it seems as though this deal has actually been put together with a lot of foresight and ensuring the interests of all parties concerned have been looked after.

    Quite different to the picture painted by JJ Harmse.

  • Comment 1, posted at 05.08.08 11:41:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • I believe JJ :!:

    I also do not let alcohol pass the lips of my 7ft caucasion frame!

  • Comment 2, posted at 05.08.08 11:51:57 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 2) : He he.

  • Comment 3, posted at 05.08.08 12:08:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • JJ’s a tosspot.

    Could we agree to never ever ever have one of his tired articles grace these hallowed threads again?

  • Comment 4, posted at 05.08.08 14:23:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 4) : we kind of have agreed. ksa was write to break the story on Sunday, though, as it was huge news and JJ was the only guy to pick up on it

  • Comment 5, posted at 05.08.08 14:28:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • Cannot believe BB is still only 21… must be the daily pining by Robbo that makes it feel like he’s been around forever…

    Cool we’ll have him back in time to direct the Shark’s backline in 2010 with ‘fresh ideas’ and the Bok’s (Kockott, Pienaar, Steyn, JPP) by 2011…

  • Comment 6, posted at 05.08.08 15:00:22 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • This story does not really answer any questions…like me saying I don’t like big b00bs…but I can’t stop starring….but since people’s emotions go haywire when I give my opinion on the matter…I’d rather not comment any further…

  • Comment 7, posted at 05.08.08 15:13:41 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • Can I at least just ask…is this a credible writer? Since that is something I apparently should know before commenting on an article….

  • Comment 8, posted at 05.08.08 15:15:36 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • Hmmy… if you carry on like this you might find you start missing some comments.

    You’re beign facetious and it’s getting tired.

  • Comment 9, posted at 05.08.08 15:17:55 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 9) :

    Vinnie…then you being childish and immature…playing God just cozz you have admin rights don’t make you kool…and deleting someone’s comments just cozz you do not agree with them is bordering lame…
    If you cannot handle that people have different opinions and see the same things differently then you are always going to have a problem in your role at this site…

    And I was not trying to be funny…I meant it…I was just short from being attacked cozz I dared say that I am disappointed in Barrit and that I’d expect him to be more loyal to the Sharks who have clearly been loyal to him…

  • Comment 10, posted at 05.08.08 15:29:14 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 9) :

    And it is Hmmm!!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 05.08.08 15:30:36 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @Hmmm (Comment 8) :
    Hmmmm, KSA posted a piece from the Sharks Rugby on a few other threads. To my mind that article has so many gray areas and offers more questions than answers. I thought it might be debated but it seems that there are actually very few people that care one way or the other about the comings and goings of BB.

  • Comment 12, posted at 05.08.08 15:34:16 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Hmmm, I have nothing against you having a difference of opinion.

    What I do have a problem with is you being difficult for the sake of it.

    Keep it up and I have no problem being labelled immature or childish.

    It gets tired fighting off your baits in almost every single post.

  • Comment 13, posted at 05.08.08 15:50:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 12) :

    The same one that was reposted here from what I can tell…

  • Comment 14, posted at 05.08.08 15:51:20 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 13) :

    Vin…when last have we posted comments in reference to each other?
    I can’t even remember…so I got no idea what is making you so tired!??!
    This might help you with your problems though…I don’t bait no more
    Have never baited since posting here on Sharksworld…I think you might be confusing me with a Hmmm you knew on keo and ruggaworld…
    Get that right and I am sure you might have a much happier time here on Sharksworld…or alternatively…DO NOT READ MY COMMENTS…won’t bother me in the least….

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.08.08 15:57:10 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @Hmmm (Comment 14) :
    Similar but not the same, I cant remember on which posts KSA posted it but its also on the official website of the Sharks.

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.08.08 16:01:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Having nothing against and respecting someone else’s opinion is completely different…I am I sorry…it would seem that you only respect your own…
    And is you had nothing against me having an opinion…you would not label it bait…

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.08.08 16:03:20 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 13) :

    I have teased like crazy yes and drove up peoples blood pressure…and held off from coming clean with teasing to escalate enjoyment…(when people got to know me it became challenging to come up with comments that would get reaction)…but have never since posting anywhere been malicious/vulgar/degrading/mean…so you really have nothing to cry about…

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.08.08 16:08:48 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @Hmmm (Comment 15) :

    Dude, I’m not getting into a shitfight with you about this.
    Suffice to say that JJ HArmse carried a shitty hatchet job and we questioned the validity of his claims.

    Some other, less one-eyed journalists, then went and corrected the story.

    Now you come along and with your “who can I trust” billshit.

    It’s tired, you’re looking for a fight and looking to wind somebody up the wrong way.

    Please try a menaingful debate instead of trying to cast aspersions on a player’s character based off nothign more than the notoriously biased and incoherent rambling of one JJ HArmse.
    The player has come out in the press and given a statement to more than one journalist that he has no intention of playing for England at this juncture.

    Why do you think you can now come and question his loyalty?

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.08.08 16:10:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 13) :

    And since salmaloid agreed to my initial post on the Barrit matter…did you rat at him for baiting too?

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.08.08 16:10:41 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • Just one more Hmmmy…

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.08.08 16:10:51 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) :

    It was on the Fourie/Barrit thread…and KSA said he is going to post is as an article….and it seems pretty much the same…

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.08.08 16:11:45 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 21) :

    I said it is Hmmmm…drop the “y”

  • Comment 23, posted at 05.08.08 16:12:19 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @Hmmm (Comment 23) :

    so you can call me Vin and I cant call you Hmmmy?

    Refer post 15…

  • Comment 24, posted at 05.08.08 16:16:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 23) :

    Oh, and you fool – you do relaise your nic has only 3 mmm’s?

  • Comment 25, posted at 05.08.08 16:18:24 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 19) :

    Now who spoke about him playing for England…I never mentioned him playing for England once…
    I was talking about his loyalty towards the Sharks…in every single post…

    And yes about him packing up and leave if all does not go his way…

    If the articles are not credible…THEN DON’T POST THEM…I have no idea about which articles are true and false…if the information cannot be confirmed at the time…then state so in the article…

    I WILL comment on what is posted…I mean I don’t go posting these articles now do I…
    Or do you post untrue articles to get comments out of them…knowing it will entice debate!??!

    I never made up any of my own views…commented directly on the article…

    And yes…I was klapped cozz I dared take JJ’s article seriosly…so I was WELL within my right to ask if the latest article is credible…never even heard of those people before…but decided not to comment anyways…

  • Comment 26, posted at 05.08.08 16:20:27 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • And I am sorry…but the latest articles did not answer anything….I am pretty much still of the same opinion…
    NO loyalty…

    And I did say if there is more to the story…or it is all a lie…then I’ll take back what I said…but it would seem that he is prematurely outing from a contract with a union who has given him everything…
    Seem we have a very different opinion of character in a person….

  • Comment 27, posted at 05.08.08 16:23:18 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @Hmmm (Comment 23) :

    You called yourself Vinnie…for a whole 2 years….
    I’ll just use the “reply” button…so it will completely depend on you what I call you….how will that work for you….

  • Comment 28, posted at 05.08.08 16:26:09 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • hmmmm ,you must have a really successful career in what ever you do because all you have done the whole day is talk about brad barritt it really is sad I feel sorry for u

  • Comment 29, posted at 05.08.08 16:28:52 by jjj1 Reply

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  • Hmm, I honestly don’t know where you get this loyalty issue from. This is a willing buyer, willing seller issue. Unlike the Bulls who refused to release Bakkies and we all know what an ugly situation that turned into, the Sharks have not, in my receent recall, stopped any players from leaving if they wanted to, for whatever reasons they may have been.

    Barritt is not leaving in mid season, he has not issues with the Sharks or coaches, and wants to develop as a player and get a degree.

    If you think that is a slap in the face then you obviously don’t know the menaing of integrity.

  • Comment 30, posted at 05.08.08 16:32:02 by hellbent Reply

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  • Hmmm… please just leave it and go make some supper or soemthing.

    You’re just irriatating people now trying to justify your strange ideas pertaining to loyalty.

  • Comment 31, posted at 05.08.08 16:32:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @hellbent (Comment 30) :

    Well exactly.

    Very much more eloquently put than I could.

  • Comment 32, posted at 05.08.08 16:33:02 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • By the way the article by Harmse was very complimentary of Barrit and he felt it would be a loss to SA rugby.

  • Comment 33, posted at 05.08.08 16:34:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @jjj1 (Comment 29) :

    Actually…I have not spoken about him at all this year barring 2/3 comments on his good S14 and that he was unlucky not to be called up for PdV training squad…so I guess I had to catch up…

    Plus….would have left it at the 2/3 comments I posted yesterday if I did not get so many responses to commenting to an article…or for trusting the article…I’m still a bit unsure which I am actually guilty of….

    And no need to feel sorry for me man…I am very content…and got through a good deal of work and a total of just under 3 and half hours of meetings today…

    Lets be serious…a comment hardly takes a minute or two at most…how busy could I have been on here!??!
    BTW…did you read my response to your comment on the Fourie/Barrit thread?

  • Comment 34, posted at 05.08.08 16:35:05 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 31) :

    I don’t have to justify anything…he is breaking the contract…that ends only in a year…
    Habana had a willing buyer…he chose to honor his contract…
    Olivier had a willing buyer…he chose to honor his contract…
    A Pretorius had a willing buyer…he chose to honor his contract…
    Jacque Fourie had a willing buyer…he chose to honor his contract…
    It seems the article was posted to try and justify integrity…

  • Comment 35, posted at 05.08.08 16:41:01 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • I think we should all just leave this now. Hmmm is clearly on a planet that the rest of us could never hope to get to in our lifetimes and arguing with him is clearly a pointless exercise.

  • Comment 36, posted at 05.08.08 16:42:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hellbent, Vinnie, jjj et al
    One simple question – why would any player be negotiating with another employer when they have more than a year to run on their contract?

  • Comment 37, posted at 05.08.08 16:42:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 35) :

    And as I said if there is more to the story then I’ll take back what I said…
    For example if the Sharks want to stick with Steyn at 12 going forward…or he is hugely under paid…etc…etc…then it is a completely different story…but it does not seem to be the case here…and the article does not confirm anything…

  • Comment 38, posted at 05.08.08 16:44:40 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 31) :

    Oh and I cannot cook?
    Will getting take-out do!!!

  • Comment 39, posted at 05.08.08 16:45:57 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 37) :

    His contract expires in October at the end of the CC. Effectively anyway as there is no local rugby after that until the s14.

    So he is honouring his contract.

    Hmm, get off the tik young man.

  • Comment 40, posted at 05.08.08 16:47:47 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 37) :

    And it is not uncommon in rugby….refer to the examples I gave…

  • Comment 41, posted at 05.08.08 16:48:00 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 37) :

    Easy, 3 of the most common reasons:
    - Unhappiness in place of work
    - Will be moving for some or other reason and seeks new employment in new area
    - $$$$$$$$$

  • Comment 42, posted at 05.08.08 16:49:22 by Ollie Reply

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  • Salmonoid, ask his agent, they’re the ones who are responsible for all the ill in this world.

    Anyhow, Barritt is not the only one who ever got out of a contract or was approached before he was out of contract. AJ, Wikus, Bakkies, Juan Smith, Vermeulen, Lobberts, John Smit, and any number of others have all either approached or been approached other Unions for whatever reasons, be it money, disatisfaction or new opportunities, and in Brad’s case, to get a Degree. This kid got a A aggregate from Kearsney College, he’s no dummie who hasn’t given this at least a huge amount of thought.

    There are more comments he made to Keo, amongst them the Sharks admission that he would be the number 1 inside centre in CC 2008 and S14 2009.

    It’s not a slap in the face of anyone. Being critical of the player and questioning his integrity is unfair in the professional era, especially given the facts here (as NOT alluded to by JJH).

  • Comment 43, posted at 05.08.08 16:49:26 by hellbent Reply

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  • :?: @VinChainSaw (Comment 40) :

    Then why would the Sharks need to release him early!??!
    Refer to hellbent’s comment…and a article posted by KSA on another thread…

  • Comment 44, posted at 05.08.08 16:50:46 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 37) :

    If he was not getting game time…or the current union was not prepared to pay competitive rates…or the future at the current team was doom and gloom (team has other prospects)…those would all be reasons to need to look around…but as I said from the beginning…I don’t see that here…

    Barrit has been first choice 12 from the 2006 S14…only left out the side when injured…

  • Comment 45, posted at 05.08.08 16:53:55 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 43) :

    First question to that would be…are they breaking there contract’s or have their contracts expired…and is future at the team doom and gloom…

    Example: Habana waited to his contract laps before he moved to the Bulls from the LIONS…
    Lobberts – well he is in a pool of 6 loosies and not had a start for quite some time and not even been included in the match 22 often enough…and will his contract be expiring soon or has he asked to be released early?
    Bakkies wanted to leave the Bulls as Meyer is no longer there (does not believe in the team)…but that is still no reason and pleased that the Bulls won (and I posted a comment of the sort then and was very critical of Bakkies, but just did not get the same response to the one I am getting here)

    I donno about the rest and what their contract status is…I do know Wikus waited at the LIONS until his contract expired before signing with the Bulls…and I know John Smit’s contract expired if not mistaken…so too Juan Smith…

    Let’s not get started on AJ…he has been guilty of packing up and going…LIONS etc…and he was not going to get a start at the Sharks anyway with Deysel there…

    Don’t think it is the same situation…

  • Comment 46, posted at 05.08.08 17:07:12 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Ok thanks for that all of you. I went and checked out the article on Keo – interesting. By the way what is the use and value of a contract if everyone is busy negotiating better deals for themselves while already in contract.

  • Comment 47, posted at 05.08.08 17:07:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 46) : Hmm, we’re not talking years ago. Aj left the Lions at the end of 1999 when the team had won the CC. You’re talking 2 or 3 years ago, I’m talking the last 2 or 3 months.

    Get with the program dude. Wickus is also going to Saracens BTW.

  • Comment 48, posted at 05.08.08 17:10:01 by hellbent Reply

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  • Hmm, your point seems to be [ad nauseum] that Brad is kicking the Sharks in the teeth, for leaving them when they have invested so much in him.

    Forgive me if I am wrong, but Brad has given them his pound of flesh, this is not a case of them not getting their money’s worth from him. Everyone has benefitted and now it’s time to explore new avenues. Anyhow, he’s keen to come back to the Sharks and in 3 years time would be a great asset to have back.

  • Comment 49, posted at 05.08.08 17:11:58 by hellbent Reply

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  • Does anybody know if there are transfer fees involved? The soccer girls do it. Don’t think any of the soccer hooligans stay till the end of a contract. Either they are ‘sold’ or contract gets renewed.

  • Comment 50, posted at 05.08.08 17:12:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 47) :

    Well if you ask Bakkies that question…he will respond by saying “I first have to calculate all the legal fees and will get back to you shortly…no rush though as I am still here for a while” :wink:

  • Comment 51, posted at 05.08.08 17:12:57 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 48) :

    Read my posts dude…
    I am saying AJ packs up and goes as and when he pleases…and has never honored contracts from what I know…so it is not worth discussing him…
    And on Wikus…said I am not sure if his contract expired…but he did wait until his contract lapsed at the LIONS before moving on…

    One thing you seem to be missing…we are talking about honoring contract…if a contract has expired…well that is a different story…

  • Comment 52, posted at 05.08.08 17:16:58 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @hellbent (Comment 49) :

    Yeh I am sure they did…and I am sure he got paid for his services every month and every game…

    But remember the initial article…was a comparison with Jacques Fourie…and I can guarantee you the LIONS would feel that they have most definitely benefited with him there…but he decided to honor his contract to the end…
    And said especially now since he was injured for most of the year he owes it to the LIONS…
    Does that not sound pretty similar to Barrit’s case…with just a completely different outcome…maybe it would not have looked as bad had the timing been different and we not had a Fourie case to compare it with…donno…but that I am being accused of living on planet and using tik just cozz I expect more from humanity!??!
    Lambasted cozz I questioned a person’s character…

    As I said…we clearly have different views on character…and will not degrade my human beliefs just cozz a good rugby player is guilty of it and now it is acceptable…
    Right-is-Rigth and Wrong-is-Wrong

  • Comment 53, posted at 05.08.08 17:26:22 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • And then there is Sonny Bill Williams… :wink:

  • Comment 54, posted at 05.08.08 17:27:05 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 53) :

    And I am sure he got very handsomely paid as a 18 – 21 year old…

  • Comment 55, posted at 05.08.08 17:27:51 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • Hmmm… every single person that is employed is working under a cotnract.

    Leaving any job is breaking a contract… but that’s why they have something called a notice period.

    Now in the case of a professioanl sports contract – this is not only an employment contract but also a restraint of trade contract.
    As such the employment part is not an issue – give notice as in any other job and move on.
    The issue is the restraint of trade and that is all the unions/clubs can enforce.
    Effectively they cant force you to stay but can prevent you working for a competitor.

    That’s why it’s not breaking a contract and it is also why unions let players go when they onyl have a few months left on their contrcats as it’s not viable to enforce the restraint of trade unless there is at least a season or two left.

    Rugby contracts are very very different from football contrcats.
    Football contracts are effectively asset holding agreements whereas rugby contrcats are employment contracts with strict restraint of trade clauses.

    Barritt moving on is the same as you or me moving on to other employment.

    It would be nice to think that Player A is absolutely limited to playing out his playing career for your team simply because he signed a contract but that is far from the reality of the situation.

  • Comment 56, posted at 05.08.08 17:31:01 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Hmmm… you really need to start living in the real world bud.

  • Comment 57, posted at 05.08.08 17:33:21 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 54) : Very interesting case.

  • Comment 58, posted at 05.08.08 17:33:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 56) :

    No I don’t agree…

    You are addressing two different situations there…
    If you are a permanent employee…you have a indefinite contract with your company and negotiate increase and bonus annually…and you or your employer can differ in opinion…and that changes the situation…and is perfectly good reason to sell yourself…there is no such thing that the contract terms are timeless…
    If you company paid for training/degree/etc…it is not wrong of the company to expect the employee to stay with the company for a few years…actually at our company you have to sign that you will stay on for at least 2 years after such an investment or pay back in full…
    And same applies to bonus…if you leave…you loose the second part of your bonus which gets paid in two portions should you leave before the time…bonus is an incentive to inspire you to produce excellent work going forward…

  • Comment 59, posted at 05.08.08 17:49:15 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • Second thing is a part time contract…or a contract worker…
    Where 2 parties agree to a period of work for a set salary…
    Now even though employers do have a termination clause…very seldom do they invoke it (well at our company at least)…we honour the contract…does not mean we have to renew it when it expires…but we will be honest with the party few months ahead of time so they have time to market themselves…and if they have one month left and getting the next job is dependent on leaving sooner…we can always do our best to accommodate…these are usually in cases of a project of the sorts…
    Now if that party terminates the contract early…in the middle of the project…unless this person will be invaluable to the next project…we will think long and hard before signing a contract with the person again….

  • Comment 60, posted at 05.08.08 17:54:24 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @Hmmm (Comment 59) : @Hmmm (Comment 60) :

    And just for the record…I have been at the same company since I was 17 years old…I had other options on several occasions…but I cannot ignore what this company has done for me…
    And further…all my efforts to assist the company to get ahead of the competitors will have been a waste should I move…

    But should we not come to a mutual agreement on annual increase and bonus…(same as a player not getting game time…or not being paid same as other players of same value…etc) there is nothing wrong with moving on….

  • Comment 61, posted at 05.08.08 18:01:39 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 57) :

    I do…but just choose to give back and live values (even my company has strong values that we strongly encourage everyone to live by)…then hopefully the world will last longer…(and this is in general)…

  • Comment 62, posted at 05.08.08 18:05:40 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @Hmmm (Comment 62) :

    lol. Don’t you work for standard bank?

  • Comment 63, posted at 05.08.08 18:14:57 by VinChainSaw Reply
    VinChainSawTeam captain
  • Hmmm, as for your contracting speech – well, to be honest, it’s all bullshit.

    I;ve contracted for many years and never have I heard as much nonsense as you assembled in those posts.

  • Comment 64, posted at 05.08.08 18:15:48 by VinChainSaw Reply
    VinChainSawTeam captain
  • Oh, and Hmm, you dont have to agree.

    What I’m telling you is legislation, not speculation.

    And I guarantee that you’ll find you have an employment contract in your HR manager’s offcie, if you’re permanent or contract.

  • Comment 65, posted at 05.08.08 18:17:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
    VinChainSawTeam captain
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 64) :
    @VinChainSaw (Comment 65) :
    Pretty straight on that.

    I’m not about to get involved in this fracas, but I dont see why people need to feel aggrieved on the Sharks part if they dont.

  • Comment 66, posted at 05.08.08 19:30:51 by Big Fish Reply
    Big FishAssistant coach
  • I really fear Bradley Barritt is gone and lost for SA rugby. Hope to be wrong. He is such a very very good player…

  • Comment 67, posted at 05.08.08 20:29:46 by H.O. Reply

    H.O.Under 21 player
  • I will hold back my comments on this one but my personal view is that the Poms will call for Barritt before the Boks do and I’m not sure he will turn them down. So like HO, I fear he will be lost to the Boks!

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.08.08 22:16:54 by Villie Reply
    Competition Winner
    VillieCurrie Cup player
  • @Villie (Comment 68) : fingers crossed. Hope Bradley will be back soon to the Sharks and to SA rugby

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.08.08 23:30:22 by H.O. Reply

    H.O.Under 21 player
  • I can just imagine Rathbones feeling having left SA and being sellected by Ausie. And then having his family savagely attacked. I am sure he is now more and more convinced that he did the right thing. Leave and go to where the GRASS IS GREENER. So Bradley I am sad to see you go BUT GOOD LUCK boy and whatever happens I am sure you will deserve it, you were a revelation to the Sharks a few seasons ago and you probably need your batteries recharged so hopefully you enjoy yourself, you are young enjoy life!!

  • Comment 70, posted at 06.08.08 01:32:18 by Dynamite Reply

    DynamiteVodacom Cup player
  • @Villie (Comment 68) :

    Of that I have no doubt… even if for an Eng ‘A’ team… which is exactly what SARU should be doing with all our fringe players against proper opposition to keep them in the loop…

  • Comment 71, posted at 06.08.08 05:42:54 by bryce_in_oz Reply

    bryce_in_ozCurrie Cup player
  • @Dynamite (Comment 70) : It’s difficult not to agree with you. Well written…

  • Comment 72, posted at 06.08.08 08:14:40 by H.O. Reply

    H.O.Under 21 player
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 63) : @VinChainSaw (Comment 64) : @VinChainSaw (Comment 65) :

    Jonathan which part of the contracted employment did you not agree with…as I said…anyone can terminate…but if done so in the middle of a project the person was contracted for I will think twice before contracting that person again…unless he will be invaluable…
    If it was legislation why did Bakkies lose his court battle? This is not the UK Jonno…

    And on perm employ…you required to sign before you are invested in that you have to work for a few years or pay…same with our learner programme…


  • Comment 73, posted at 06.08.08 09:00:01 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @Dynamite (Comment 70) :
    Hell Dynamite by your reasoning all provincial rugby players should up and leave for some other country. Why not extend that to to all South Africans.

  • Comment 74, posted at 06.08.08 09:06:28 by Salmonoid Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach

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