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Steyn & Pienaar need to decide

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 5 Aug 2008 at 14:31

Boks coach Peter de Villiers has asked “talented” Frans Steyn and Ruan Pienaar to make an important decision…

Jacques van der Westhuyzen writes in the Daily News that Springbok coach Peter de Villiers has told Ruan Pienaar it is up to him to decide in what position he wants to play his rugby.

The same goes for the equally versatile Frans Steyn. Both players were this week dropped from the 24-man squad from which the team to take on Argentina at Coca-Cola Park on Saturday will be chosen.

Pienaar, Steyn, wing Odwa Ndungane and loosehead prop Gurthro Steenkamp were chopped from the Bok squad on Sunday. The decision by De Villiers leaves the Boks with just one specialist flyhalf, Butch James, in their present squad.

The Bok boss said should something happen to James during Saturday’s Test, in celebration of former president Nelson Mandela’s 90th birthday, veteran team member Percy Montgomery will fill in at flyhalf.

The decision to release Pienaar and Steyn came as something of a surprise on Sunday considering Pienaar was last week said to be in the running to don the No 10 jersey against the Argentinians.

It was also surprising because in Steyn the Boks have a player who can play in any position in the backline, bar scrumhalf.

“They’re so talented, they can play anywhere and do a good job,” De Villiers said on Monday.

“All we can do as coaches is discuss with the relevant players their strengths and weaknesses and advise them where we think they must play.

“But they must take the responsibility and make that decision themselves,” said De Villiers.

“Ruan must go back to the Sharks and have a chat with his coach (John Plumtree) and make the choice where he wants to play. Then we can take it from there.”

Pienaar has said he wants to play only scrumhalf, but he is currently third in line behind Ricky Januarie and Fourie du Preez at the Boks, while at the Sharks Plumtree may well decide to also use him at flyhalf when scrumhalf Rory Kockott is back to fitness. Steyn wants to play flyhalf, but may have to compete with Pienaar or Frederic Michalak.

But what is important and relevant right now is that Pienaar, Steyn, Ndungane and Steenkamp get game-time. And hats off to De Villiers for the decision he’s taken. It doesn’t really matter where these men play, but play they must.

“We had the luxury of carrying these guys on tour, but it’s no use they carry tackle bags around while in South Africa,” said De Villiers.

“If we need them we can call them up at any time. It’ss in their, and our, best interests that they go and play rugby so when they do come back they’re fit and ready to go. We know what attributes they can bring to the team. Right now they’re in desperate need of game-time.”


  • No use them deciding where they want to play and then their provincial coaches don’t play them there though.

  • Comment 1, posted at 05.08.08 14:36:44 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • I thought Steyn & Mr de Villiers had a heart to heart at the start of the season at which point Steyn said he wanted to play flyhalf.

    The blogger formerly known as Racheltjiedebeer.

  • Comment 2, posted at 05.08.08 14:44:47 by McLovin Reply
    McLovinAssistant coach
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) : Good point. How much say do the players have anyway?

  • Comment 3, posted at 05.08.08 14:46:14 by McLovin Reply
    McLovinAssistant coach
  • And Guthro!?!?!?

  • Comment 4, posted at 05.08.08 15:39:50 by Hmmm Reply
    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • That makes absolutely no sense…
    Guthro needing game time…he played in every single 3N test thus far!??!
    And been the best of all the props that played in all the tests thus far this season…
    Imagine Mujati scrumming 5 meters from our tryline in a defensive scrum 2 minutes from time and we lead by less than a try difference…I will switch my TV OFF….I won’t be able to watch…

  • Comment 5, posted at 05.08.08 15:42:54 by Hmmm Reply
    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • Imagine Beast and Mujati scrumming together in the 3N…we’ll do great to keep our own ball…
    Beast can hold his own but don’t thin he is a strong enough scrummiger to hold up the scrum…
    He is awesome in general play though…and made an impact when he came on for the Bokke against Aus and the Sharks against the LIONS…

  • Comment 6, posted at 05.08.08 15:45:09 by Hmmm Reply
    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • How many more times this year must Steyn and RP say they prefer to play 10 and 9 respectively… but will be happy to fill in wherever the coach so chooses…

    Pull your finger out PDV…

  • Comment 7, posted at 05.08.08 15:59:54 by bryce_in_oz Reply
    bryce_in_ozCurrie Cup player
  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 7) : Its just an excuse I feel for the media frenzi that resulted with him sending the two most talented in the bunch home! I personally do not believe he knows what he is doing – too much chopping and changing and that win in NZ was fluke, a moment of brilliance from January who admitedly is playing well. I will pass final judgement after the Tri nations!

  • Comment 8, posted at 05.08.08 16:04:19 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply
    Sharksmad - The Blog's DudetteSuper Rugby player
  • I think it’s Snor/AA who needs to decide whether he wants to be serious or not… :wink:

  • Comment 9, posted at 05.08.08 17:58:48 by H.O. Reply
    H.O.Under 21 player
  • @H.O. (Comment 9) :
    Let me guess, if I ask you what you are implying by the “AA” bit, you will tell me that I dont know what you mean and that you respect my comments etc etc? :roll:

  • Comment 10, posted at 05.08.08 19:34:12 by Big Fish Reply
    Big FishAssistant coach
  • @H.O. (Comment 11) :
    Its ok HO – I know what it means.

    I think its demeaning and an injustice to make the assumptions you do, but you are right – you have a right to an opinion, even if others, like me, don’t agree with it.

  • Comment 12, posted at 05.08.08 19:52:59 by Big Fish Reply
    Big FishAssistant coach
  • @Big Fish (Comment 12) :

    “injustice” is a huge word.
    it all depends on what we think of its meaning.
    I suppose everybody in this free world has his own opinion on what is or what is not an “injustice”
    anyway contact me on the above address or in alternative [email protected]
    who knows perhaps you wll contact me… :wink:

  • Comment 13, posted at 05.08.08 20:08:32 by H.O. Reply

    H.O.Under 21 player
  • @H.O. (Comment 13) : Hey H.O!! It is really immaterial if you are right or wrong here, the point being that this site does not entertain that avenue of talk. I rather enjoyed some of your RUGBY comments! :idea:

    @Big Fish (Comment 12) : Maybe BF, you guys could get hold of a reference site to which you can refer the lads that need to spew fire? Or would that promote rather than distract? :idea:

  • Comment 14, posted at 05.08.08 20:21:53 by Silver Fox Reply

    Silver FoxCurrie Cup player
  • @Hmmm (Comment 6) : I would hate to be your wife in an argument!!! :grin:

    Keep it up.

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.08.08 20:24:14 by Silver Fox Reply

    Silver FoxCurrie Cup player
  • @Silver Fox (Comment 14) :
    I agree dear Silver Fox.
    I truly respect your opinion. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.08.08 20:24:49 by H.O. Reply

    H.O.Under 21 player
  • got to love the poll here, more folks think KP is a tosser than the sharks chances of rolling weepee

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.08.08 20:42:14 by Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire SauceCurrie Cup player
  • I think both players need to be sat down and told.” Hey if you want to be in the Bok run on team you need to look at other options. Ruan you are good, but you are our 3rd choice Scrummy. Steyn you are good but you are our 3rd choice flyhalf. Now here are your options Ruan we feel your best position is ?? and the same for Steyn. However we can keep you guys on as Jack of All Trades Master of Non warming the bench if you so want!!Surely it doesn’t take a Brain Surgeon to work this out. HOWEVER in this matter the Provinces as well as SARU need to be seen Pulling in the same direction. If for the best interest in Bok future we need a good Flyhalf make one of them play that position regularly.

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.08.08 23:20:44 by Dynamite Reply

    DynamiteVodacom Cup player
  • @Dynamite (Comment 18) : Nope it doesn’t JW worked it out with them 10 months ago…

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.08.08 05:45:35 by bryce_in_oz Reply

    bryce_in_ozCurrie Cup player
  • @Sauce (Comment 17) :

    We feel strongly about some things and our typical Durban apathy shines through in others :lol:

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.08.08 07:10:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @Sauce (Comment 17) :

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 20) :

    Oh and I think you misread the results.

    Some of us may still think the Sharks are pants but I am still sure that we all believe that “pants” tean can Walk the WP guppies :wink:

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.08.08 07:30:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : My screen only shows result can’t find the poll to vote :oops:

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.08.08 07:35:40 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

    Sharksmad - The Blog's DudetteSuper Rugby player
  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 22) :

    If you have not voted it will show you the same thing but just give you an option to select and a submit button

    Obviously (and it seems to be a common problem) Your ISP shares IP addresses and therefore someone sharing your SIP has already voted. :sad:

    On the other side of the coin Silver fox has the opposite problem. his doesn’t register as having voted coz i presume his IP keeps changing :lol:

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.08.08 08:25:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach

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