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De Waal OUT for the season


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Currie Cup, In the news, WP on 6 Aug 2008 at 22:03

Western Province flyhalf Willem De Waal has been confirmed as a long-term injury casualty, having suffered a hip joint injury to his left leg during the Currie Cup match against the Lions last weekend.

Rugby 365 reports that the injury is a contact injury, according to the official WP website, on De Waal’s kicking leg.

A scan earlier this week confirmed that the player had suffered cartilage damage in his hip joint.

Specialist have since advised that De Waal will undergo arthroscopic surgery on Thursday to repair torn cartilage in the joint as a stabilising procedure.

He will be in a brace for six weeks, followed by approximately six weeks of rehabilitation. The Western Province medical team aim to have him back into team training in three months time.

However, the injury means that De waal will miss the remainder of the Currie Cup, which leaves WP desperately short in the flyhalf berth.

Springbok pivot Peter Grant has also undergone surgery recently on a troublesome shoulder, and will be out of action for at least six weeks.

WP have already actioned emergency cover at No.10 in the form of Joe Pietersen, who has been selected at flyhalf for the crucial Currie Cup match against the Sharks on Friday.



132 Comments

  • DON’T buy Willem De Waal for the Fantasy league :wink:

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.08.08 22:08:44 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • And on a serious note. How much responsibility do WP take for this?

    Going into last weeks game without Flyhalf backup was not that unusual but De Waal hurt his leg early on and had to play on because there was no cover for him.

    Would he have been out for the season if had he been subbed when he got injured?

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.08.08 22:10:36 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) : But I will trade him this minute!! :lol: For our Freddie!! Can I do it with this post? :???:

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.08.08 22:16:52 by Silver Fox Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : Agree, they have youngsters which they could have brought in one at a time, only now they have to bring them in no matter what.

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.08.08 22:19:09 by Silver Fox Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 3) :

    No, best you send a mail for that :wink:

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.08.08 22:23:54 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 5) : Will do! :lol: You have seen the mission I can make out of sending mails. :evil:

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.08.08 22:25:48 by Silver Fox Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 6) :

    practice makes perfect. :lol:

    just go to http://www.sharksworld.co.za/contact-us/ (it is just below the CC log) and click on the name you want to send to. It will automatically open your email program …….. :wink:

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.08.08 22:33:32 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Whoops

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.08.08 22:41:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) :

    Oh BTW, De Waal was NEVER in my team :cool:

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.08.08 22:42:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) :

    Was the Whoops for the De Waal injury or for a muscular spasm after rugby practice? :wink:

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.08.08 22:44:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) : Not mine. It opens up the default mail, but I’m using G-mail. Not to worry, I have it all under control now, but thanks anyway. :wink:

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.08.08 22:45:35 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 10) : :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.08.08 22:46:02 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • it will be a blessing in disguise, hes an over rated plonker with about as much dynamism as some who aspires to be the Blue Bulls mascot.

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.08.08 22:47:18 by Sauce Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) : That was NOT :cool: , he made us a lot of points!!

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.08.08 22:47:55 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Sauce (Comment 13) :

    Question is, Will Dollie finally get a go?

    From what I hear it seems NOT.

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.08.08 22:48:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 10) : First contact session. I’m feeling ok now, but tomorrow is going to be ugly

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.08.08 22:54:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • Cheers all!! Time for young uns to go to bed.

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.08.08 22:55:33 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • Met a guy at rugby who played flyhalf in the Craven Week side that had Brad and Waylon as the centres.

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.08.08 22:57:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • Wessel Booysen?

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.08.08 23:08:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Really a bad news for the Goats.
    Perhaps it was better to keep Isma-eel Dollie instead of sending him to play with Boland.
    Troubled water for the Capetonians

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.08.08 23:21:35 by Die Jood Reply

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  • @Sauce (Comment 13) :

    The Blue Bulls mascot is an ex South African gymnast and a qualified doctor to boot… no kidding!

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.08.08 06:18:04 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 21) : How desperate can a doctor get? :shock:

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.08.08 06:57:13 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 22) :

    He’s now the Bull’s doctor if I’m not mistaken… moved up the ranks…lol!

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.08.08 07:23:50 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Another one bites the dust :roll:

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.08.08 07:43:33 by blackshark Reply

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  • Blessing in disguise for WP???

    They should never have let Dollie go to Boland. Bunch of idiots.

    :evil:

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.08.08 10:51:27 by wpw Reply
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  • If Dollie is “on loan”, why not take him back :roll:

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.08.08 10:54:54 by Kal-El Reply

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  • Okay so where do I do the subs for the FL?

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.08.08 11:05:04 by MorneN Reply
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  • Rob, KSA, sub him for me for…

    Ag I dont know – Steyn since he is not going to play a test again this year?

    :)

    No seriously, for Morne Steyn please.

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.08.08 11:05:49 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 28) : send me an email? I won’t be able to keep up otherwise ;)

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.08.08 11:09:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) :

    Cool

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.08.08 11:14:25 by MorneN Reply
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  • SA won toss & decided to bat. :grin:

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.08.08 12:24:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • 8/0 (6.3 ov)

  • Comment 32, posted at 07.08.08 12:34:06 by McLovin Reply

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  • 19 off 10 overs :roll:

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.08.08 12:50:56 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 33) : :???:

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.08.08 12:53:46 by Me2 Reply

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  • 33/0 (13.0 ov)

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.08.08 13:02:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • Is it day 1 of the final test??? :shock:

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.08.08 13:02:58 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 36) : Yes, indeed it is.

  • Comment 37, posted at 07.08.08 13:08:01 by McLovin Reply

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  • …and Kevin Pietersen’s first test as captain. :roll:

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.08.08 13:09:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • I wonder how the coin toss went. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.08.08 13:19:39 by wpw Reply
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  • SA 47/0 after 17.2 overs

    McKenzie 16*

    Fat Boy 28*

  • Comment 40, posted at 07.08.08 13:24:00 by wpw Reply
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  • Preparing to learn from the master

    Their antipathy is undisguised, but Pietersen has more to learn from Smith than any other leader

    Andrew Miller at The Oval

    August 6, 2008

    Michael Vaughan and Nasser Hussain will forever be remembered as two of England’s finest captains, but when Graeme Smith sat down on the podium at The Oval this afternoon, you could almost imagine their heads perched on pikes behind him. South Africa’s vastly impressive captain has grown another inch in stature in the course of this series, but whatever he goes on to achieve, the manner in which he has imposed his will on successive tours of England will take some beating.

    In 2003 Smith was a willful 22-year-old, brash beyond his years but with a talent to match, and his youthful aggression was more than a jaded Hussain could deal with. Five years on, and he’s striding into the prime of his career with a team that does his bidding, and a faith in his personal form that enables him not only to make big runs, but make them when it really matters. His second-innings hundred at Lord’s turned the tide of the series, while his epic at Edgbaston sent the waves crashing over Vaughan’s career.

    And yet, after two days of celebration, culminating in a reception at the South African embassy in Trafalgar Square, Smith’s gameface was firmly back in place at The Oval this afternoon. As he talked in measured, honest, but ominous terms about the challenges that come with leadership, the magnitude of the task that lies ahead for his new opposite number, Kevin Pietersen, yawned into view.

    “It’s going to be an interesting reign to see,” said Smith. “He’s got a one-off Test against us, so he’ll be hugely motivated. He’ll be excited, nervous, and have a lot of energy, but whatever you do in this game as captain, it’s about sustaining it afterwards. He won’t experience too many of the pressures of captaincy right now, but he’ll really start to understand it in a few months’ time. Running a team and getting a team to play for you, it’s going to be interesting.”

    You could sense from Smith’s demeanour that the appointment of Pietersen has really sharpened his focus for this game. “I think there’s a mutual respect in terms of performance. That’s probably as far as it goes,” he said, neither seeking to ramp up the animosity between the two men, nor deny that it exists. The days of name-calling have long since past. All Smith needs to do to increase the pressure is to indulge in a bit of statesmanlike superiority.

    Because, for the first time in their long history of antipathy, there is clear blue water visible between the serene Smith and the tangibly anxious Pietersen. It’s not just the difference in terms of captaincy experience (Smith has led in 184 internationals as well as countless first-class and List A games; Pietersen’s only opportunity came in defeat against New Zealand at Lord’s last month), the devil is in the detail as well.

    The universal respect of his nation, the rapport with his coach, and the command of his team-mates – these are all the aspects of the role that Smith enjoys by dint of his efforts over the course of five years. Pietersen has all that lying ahead of him in the coming weeks and months.

    He has certainly made a promising start in his new role, by naming a side that differs decisively from the tentative line-ups picked by Vaughan, and which could, given a following wind, come to mirror his attacking mindset. But there are questions about his relationship with Peter Moores that refuse to go away, and his current eagerness to be all things to all men might, in the short term at least, restrict his ability to be his own man in the middle.

    “It’s going to be interesting now he’s been thrown a lot of curveballs around him,” said Smith. “As captain you have to have an open mind, you have to arrive at a stadium where so many different things challenge you from day to day, and it’s not only about your performance.” Recalling the reckless drive that brought about Pietersen’s downfall for 94 at Edgbaston, Smith stated, baldly: “One thing I will say, is that captaincy will make him think about that now.”

    If the Oval pitch plays with anything resembling the pace and carry that has been promised by the groundsman, Bill Gordon, a result should be reached, and the likelihood is that a settled South Africa will once again prove too strong for an England side seeking inspiration rather than playing with it. Nevertheless, the timing of Vaughan’s departure may, in hindsight, prove to be as perfectly hasty as that of his own predecessor, Hussain. One Test will prove nothing about Pietersen’s credentials as a captain, but this week could provide him with the single most relevant lesson in leadership he could ever wish to receive.

    Though Smith and Pietersen would doubtless hate to admit it, the two men have similarities that extend beyond their nation of birth. Both are driven to a degree that most mortals would struggle to recognise. In Pietersen’s case, it drove him to throw in his lot with South Africa as a teenager, and back himself to make it big in a foreign land on the opposite side of the world. Smith may have stayed put in the physical sense, but mentally he has been striving for the same degree of greatness ever since the day he came home with a school assignment at the age of 12, and stuck the goal: “To captain South Africa” on his fridge door.

    It’s as if the Cape wasn’t big enough for the two of them. The batsmanship that each possesses has been abundantly apparent throughout their careers, but so too the brashness. In Smith’s case, the maturity he sought to project in his day-to-day dealings was undermined by a manner that, in his early days, would rub up his team-mates to the same degree that it riled his opponents. High-profile errors of judgment – complaining about Australia’s sledging on his maiden tour in 2001-02, or testifying against Vaughan in front of the match referee during a fractious Johannesburg Test three years later – were mistakes not easily rectified, except through sheer weight of personality, and a crash course in diplomacy.

    Personality is something that Pietersen has by the bucketload, but his diplomacy is an ever-developing aspect of his game. “I think you bump your head a lot as captain,” said Smith. “I certainly bumped my head a few times as a young guy. But it’s how you face up to that. Do you look at it with an open mind, learn for yourself, and take the lessons on board? Those will be the important things for him. He might have a good run of it, but when you bump your head for the first time, how do you reassess and where do you go from there?”

    At 28, Pietersen is the right age for the responsibility, but until that first bump occurs (and if Smith has anything to do with it, it will take place right here in SE11 within the coming five days), he will have use his single-mindedness as his default setting in times of unease. As Smith admitted right at the start of the tour, such an approach was exactly how he survived the turbulence of his first five years in charge of South Africa.

    “But that wasn’t sustainable for me,” he warned. “There was a period of time when I took a balls-to-the-wall sort of approach, when I was going to put everything into my batting, and expect the same from the team. But then you have to find something that can be more sustainable. It’s only when things aren’t working out that you have to look at yourself and say: ‘How can I improve, and how can I get the team to improve?’

    “It’s also about where his team is and where he wants to take them,” said Smith. “As a captain, when you ask a lot of your players, you’ve got to walk the walk also, and it’s not always possible to achieve those performances. He has some massive challenges ahead of him coming up, and he doesn’t have too many easy options ahead either.”

    That may be so, but having been thrust into the role with a haste that has taken even the man himself by surprise, the lessons of the coming weeks must be lapped up with alacrity by Pietersen. From Vaughan with England and Shane Warne at Hampshire, he has learnt something of the art of victory from two of the best tacticians you could ever wish to have on your side. But, at this present moment in the game, there is no leader with more experience, presence and tactical acumen than Smith. And nor is there a player whose example Pietersen could do better to follow.

    Andrew Miller is UK editor of Cricinfo

    © Cricinfo

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.08.08 13:27:39 by wpw Reply
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  • McKenzie OUT.

  • Comment 42, posted at 07.08.08 13:39:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • 56/1

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.08.08 13:39:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • 64/1 – Lunch

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.08.08 13:46:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 41) : In the few interviews I’ve seen of Pietersen, he struck me as being a bit immature, bit childlike. But I’m sure he’s a delightful young man. :wink:

  • Comment 45, posted at 07.08.08 13:48:32 by McLovin Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 41) : Sheesh…that was long…got lost somewhere after…Preparing to learn from the master

  • Comment 46, posted at 07.08.08 13:49:26 by blackshark Reply

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  • Why is Errol Tobias not on superrugby anymore?

  • Comment 47, posted at 07.08.08 13:58:20 by McLovin Reply

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  • McLovin

    Cos Breytie CAN actually speak Afrikaans. :roll:

  • Comment 48, posted at 07.08.08 14:01:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 48) : I see. Haven’t watched in ages. Will have to check it out again.

  • Comment 49, posted at 07.08.08 14:06:24 by McLovin Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 46) :@blackshark (Comment 46) : Smith always had a big mouth….remember the OLD Mutual advert??? Because he has won a series in England, it does not make him the “Master Captain”…. he must go & win a series in Australia…

  • Comment 50, posted at 07.08.08 14:09:18 by Me2 Reply

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  • So how about them olympics.. :roll:

  • Comment 51, posted at 07.08.08 14:11:16 by McLovin Reply

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  • lol McLovin

    Me2

    Lets give the guy some credit.

    He is a bit of an arsehole but he is a damn fine cricketer and a very good captain. :cool:

    Oh, and his test batting average has just gone over 50. Nice!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 07.08.08 14:18:31 by wpw Reply
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  • Cricket about to resume. Seems it rained a bit. Looking out the window I can see sunshine. :grin:

  • Comment 53, posted at 07.08.08 14:18:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 52) : Yeah give him credit…BUT ..he must shut his mouth about Pietersen….he also had some stupid moments in his career and for a long time went out cheaply, because he could not get out of the habit of shuffling across his wicket….lbw…evry time!!! Another thing…he usually put in a big innings on good batting wickets & struggles with pace & swing….lbw again!!

  • Comment 54, posted at 07.08.08 14:25:35 by Me2 Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 53) : When they were playing at Headingley, I sympathized with my daughter (London) about the weather..she said the sun had shone all day!!!
    At the moment she is basking in the Greek sunshine on the island of Skiathos :roll: Lucky girl :!:

  • Comment 55, posted at 07.08.08 14:28:17 by Me2 Reply

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    What do you mean shut his mouth about Pietersen?

    Do you know why they’ve got a history???

    Pietersen had some bad things to say about SA and that is the only reason Smith had a go at him.

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  • @Me2 (Comment 55) : Lucky indeed. :cool:

  • Comment 57, posted at 07.08.08 14:34:27 by McLovin Reply

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  • So far this series Smith has scored 363 runs at an average of 90.75. :cool:

  • Comment 58, posted at 07.08.08 14:39:06 by McLovin Reply

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  • 26.5 Broad to Amla, FOUR, short and wide from Amla, that deserved to go to the boundary and Amla obliged with a thrashing square cut…expensive over from Broad
    26.4 Broad to Amla, no run, banged in short outside off stump, balloons off the surface through to Ambrose
    26.3 Broad to Amla, FOUR, lovely timing timing from Amla off his hips, stands tall and works the ball through square leg…Panesar tries to dive but was never stopping that
    26.2 Broad to Amla, FOUR, much fuller this time and brings a square drive from Amla, not the most convincing effort but goes along the ground through backward point…England shouldn’t mind that too much

  • Comment 59, posted at 07.08.08 14:48:26 by wpw Reply
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  • 87/1 (28.0 ov)

  • Comment 60, posted at 07.08.08 14:53:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • Amla 30 of 28 balls. 7 fours. :shock:

  • Comment 61, posted at 07.08.08 14:59:14 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Me2 (Comment 54) : @McLovin (Comment 58) : @wpw (Comment 56) :

    Don’t always agree with what he says or does on the field ( I support his stance against KP though)…but Graeme is a great player (awesome average)…and proving to be a great captain (good record). Hard to believe the man is not even 30 yet.

  • Comment 62, posted at 07.08.08 15:07:52 by blackshark Reply

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  • Smith out. :evil:

  • Comment 63, posted at 07.08.08 15:10:04 by McLovin Reply

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  • Smith gone.

  • Comment 64, posted at 07.08.08 15:10:20 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • 103/2

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  • @blackshark (Comment 62) :

    Only 27…

  • Comment 66, posted at 07.08.08 15:11:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Hey MvLovin,

    Is that take from the movie SuperBad?

  • Comment 67, posted at 07.08.08 15:14:06 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Amla gone too…

  • Comment 68, posted at 07.08.08 15:17:05 by McLovin Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 67) : The one and only. :smile:

  • Comment 69, posted at 07.08.08 15:17:37 by McLovin Reply

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  • Kallis gone…. :evil:

  • Comment 70, posted at 07.08.08 15:18:24 by McLovin Reply

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  • 105/4

  • Comment 71, posted at 07.08.08 15:18:51 by McLovin Reply

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  • 103/1 to 105/4…

  • Comment 72, posted at 07.08.08 15:20:20 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 72) : Oh my G… :shock:

  • Comment 73, posted at 07.08.08 15:21:10 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 56) : Yeah..but that was only after the WHOLE of SA press had a real go at him….reminds me of that chap (his name escapes me) from ‘Toti, who went to Oz & played for them (now injured)…we SA’s are bad at that sort of thing…we should accept that our sportmen are like a lot of our kids…looking to broaden their horizons and, in some cases, have the freedom to pursue their chosen careers. There are people on this site who are points in case.

  • Comment 74, posted at 07.08.08 15:27:06 by Me2 Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 72) : Oh my gosh :sad:

  • Comment 75, posted at 07.08.08 15:30:29 by Me2 Reply

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    Clyde Rathbone???

    There’s nothing wrong with leaving our shores to ‘broaden ones horizons’

    Both those idiots had bad things to say about our country and that is the only reason they are getting so much flack.

    Compare KP and Rattlebones to Dan Vickerman, Stuart Abbott, Pieter De Villiers (French prop), etc.

  • Comment 76, posted at 07.08.08 15:38:32 by wpw Reply
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  • There are loads of guys that haven’t picked up any problems.

    Add Matt Stevens, Greg Rawlinson, Mike Catt to that list.

  • Comment 77, posted at 07.08.08 15:45:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 76) : Again, I repeat, both Pietersen & Rathbone were given an enourmous amount of flack from press, and replied, giving vent to their own feelings, and I don’t blame them for defending themselves…the problem is that often the truth hurts…fortunately both the SA press & public have matured somewhat as the mass exit of young men and women grown and we have come to face a lot of “home truths”…even if some still have their heads in the sand.

  • Comment 78, posted at 07.08.08 15:46:14 by Me2 Reply

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  • Cricket’s gone tits up. 5 down now.

  • Comment 79, posted at 07.08.08 15:49:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Me2 (Comment 78) :

    Yeah think it was a two-way street myself.
    I think the part that hurt the most about pietersen and rattlebones was that most of what they said was very true.

    They both would’ve picked up a lot less problems if they’d just kept their mouth shut – if there’s anything Seffricans hate more than a turncoat then it’s a turncoat who goes and talks kak about them afterwards!

  • Comment 80, posted at 07.08.08 15:49:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 80) : ame for all countries, I reckon!! See u on the other thread!

  • Comment 81, posted at 07.08.08 15:52:20 by Me2 Reply

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  • Pietersen’s a knob. He mmade it sound like quotas was to blame for him not making the Natal cricket side. When in fact at that stage he was a very average player at best. :evil:

  • Comment 82, posted at 07.08.08 15:52:54 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 82) :

    Cant be aggrieved because the guy has an opinion.

    He was obviously not gettnig the exposure he needed at Natal.

    Statistics aside, he was treated very, very poorly by CSA. Their manners are disgusting.

  • Comment 83, posted at 07.08.08 16:01:18 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I agree McLovin.

    He average in the low 20′s with the bat and hardly took any wickets.

    He is full of it.

    Me2

    Rathbone told the Aussie media that he forgot the SA national anthem and this was after he captained the Baby Boks the previous year.

    He brought it on himself if you ask me.

  • Comment 84, posted at 07.08.08 16:02:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 84) :

    That’s okay wes – I never even learnt the new anthem. :oops:

  • Comment 85, posted at 07.08.08 16:03:42 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 84) :

    CSA basically told him to fuck off and he’d never get picked. Those were ther words. I’d also be slightly upset about that.

    His behaviour after that was questionable but the fact remains that he had a grievance and instead of addressing it they told him to fuck off.

    I wouldnt think he started it.

  • Comment 86, posted at 07.08.08 16:04:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 86) : Really?

  • Comment 87, posted at 07.08.08 16:08:24 by McLovin Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 84) : Do you know the word of the National Anthem?
    I admit, I don’t cause I get tongue tired, and my Xhosa speaking husband kills him self laughing! Says I must never try & sing it in public, in case I say something rude by mistake! :shock:

  • Comment 88, posted at 07.08.08 16:09:41 by Me2 Reply

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  • Pietersen has perpetuated the story that quotas forced him to leave South Africa. In fact, he played five matches for Natal in 1999-00 and did well in the tour game against England with a hard-hit half-century and a few wickets. But that still took his batting average to only 26 and bowling to 36. He was considered an offspinner and useful lower-order batsman. After failing to win a contract he left for England. His main competition at that stage was a white offspinner called Robbie MacQueen.

  • Comment 89, posted at 07.08.08 16:10:13 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 89) : That’s from Wisden btw.

  • Comment 90, posted at 07.08.08 16:10:58 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 87) :

    Supposedly he was dropped for Ghoolam Bodi without explanation even though he had the starting berth.
    Him and his old man then went to have a word with Ali Bacher who told him in his face that he would never play for South Africa because he was white.
    Was a pretty rude and angry meeting by all accounts.
    Ali Bacher basically told him to leave if he wanted to be a prfoessioanl cricketer.

    I may have some of the details wrong – it’s been a long time since I read the story but that is the gyst of it.

  • Comment 91, posted at 07.08.08 16:12:21 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • This is what he told BBC in an interview.

    “I was dropped because of the quota system brought into South African cricket,” Pietersen said.

  • Comment 92, posted at 07.08.08 16:13:34 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 92) : I find it very hard to believe that Ali Bacher would say something like ‘he would never play for South Africa because he was white.’

  • Comment 93, posted at 07.08.08 16:17:42 by McLovin Reply

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    KP is a lying prick.

    He accused Ali Bacher of telling him to f-off. Would Bacher really do something like that???

    KP was hugely influenced by Clive Rice who at the time had a beef with CSA re: their transformation policy.

  • Comment 94, posted at 07.08.08 16:17:45 by wpw Reply
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  • #93 was in reply to Vinnie @ 91 not myself. :oops:

  • Comment 95, posted at 07.08.08 16:19:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • Snap McLovin! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 96, posted at 07.08.08 16:20:19 by wpw Reply
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  • Why was him and his dad having a meeting with Ali Bacher anyway? Fact is he was nothing special at the time and simply not good enough to make the Natal side let alone play international cricket.

  • Comment 97, posted at 07.08.08 16:21:40 by McLovin Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 96) : Ali Bacher is a branch that sways with the wind.
    Look how he treated Hansie….BUT lets not go down that path :evil:

  • Comment 98, posted at 07.08.08 16:22:41 by Me2 Reply

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    One can understand if KP was in the same league as a young AB De Villiers or JP Duminy but he was not.

    He was not setting the scene alight at all and to demand a contract from CSA was just plain naive.

  • Comment 99, posted at 07.08.08 16:24:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 94) :

    Careful now wpw. You cant just say soembody is a lying prick if you werent in the room.

  • Comment 100, posted at 07.08.08 16:27:52 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 99) : Exactly. And if I was in charge of cricket & some bloke with a 26 batting average & 36 bowling average came to me (with his dad) bitching about being dropped/not getting a contract I’d also tell him in no uncertain terms where to go.

    And that’s all I’m saying about the man.

    So how about them olympics…. :roll:

  • Comment 101, posted at 07.08.08 16:28:27 by McLovin Reply

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    Hansie deserved what he got.

    He was a lying thief.

  • Comment 102, posted at 07.08.08 16:28:32 by wpw Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 97) :

    Based on five games? Are you kidding me?

    Is that the defence? KP wasnt good enough in the five games he played for Natal?

    No bloody wonder our sport is always in crisis.
    What about his play before that?

  • Comment 103, posted at 07.08.08 16:29:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 99) :

    Are you kidding me wpw?

    JP and AB were both terrible for many seasons before makign tehir breakthrough.

  • Comment 104, posted at 07.08.08 16:29:44 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Vin

    More than one person came forward to refute KP’s claims.

  • Comment 105, posted at 07.08.08 16:30:04 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 99) :

    wpw – please dude, stop wasting everybody’s time with your ridiculous claims.
    He never asked for a CSA contract. It was a Natal contract.

  • Comment 106, posted at 07.08.08 16:30:28 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 105) :

    Oh, well there only three people in the room. And two are presumably on his side. So unless your source was under Ali’s desk you’re clutching at straws.

    And need I remind that alot of people have supposedly refuted claims against Mugabe.

  • Comment 107, posted at 07.08.08 16:31:28 by VinChainSaw Reply
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    Both of them starred for SA at age group level as well as for their unions ever since they started playing.

  • Comment 108, posted at 07.08.08 16:31:58 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 108) :

    I’m not getging into this.

    You’re guessing. Put up AB and JP’s stats for their first five games and we can talk.

    Either way I’m outta here – got to pay the bills.

  • Comment 109, posted at 07.08.08 16:35:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 102) : I find you a very judgmental fellow….Hansie was a great cricketer & a great captain…we all have a weakness…and a least he confessed…he didn’t try to hide behind other people nad, in fact, I believe, he took the rape for a few other people!

  • Comment 110, posted at 07.08.08 16:35:49 by Me2 Reply

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  • Natal contract – CSA contract = same thing… :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 111, posted at 07.08.08 16:37:34 by wpw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 109) : Cheers Vinnie!!

  • Comment 112, posted at 07.08.08 16:37:45 by Me2 Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 103) : At the time there were better players around. Life’s not fair. Nobody forced him to leave. He could’ve stuck it out.

    And by the same token, are you saying they should’ve have given him a contract after five games with his averages?

  • Comment 113, posted at 07.08.08 16:38:00 by McLovin Reply

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  • De Villiers OUT for 39.

    SA 158/7

  • Comment 114, posted at 07.08.08 16:40:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 113) : Whatever!! HE IS NOW THE CAPTAIN OF ENGLAND & THEREFORE “ENEMY NO.1″….thus our SA attitude!!!

  • Comment 115, posted at 07.08.08 16:42:22 by Me2 Reply

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    No use arguing with Vinno.

    Vin

    I will try to find the article I read where KP’s age group coach has his say. :roll:

  • Comment 116, posted at 07.08.08 16:43:34 by wpw Reply
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  • Why can we not just congratulate KP on what he has achieved & leave it at that…..sour grapes :???:

  • Comment 117, posted at 07.08.08 16:44:27 by Me2 Reply

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    And KP batted at no 9 for Natal. lmao

  • Comment 118, posted at 07.08.08 16:44:32 by wpw Reply
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    Becos KP is a Po#&. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 119, posted at 07.08.08 16:45:48 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 119) : :lol:

  • Comment 120, posted at 07.08.08 16:55:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • Whether KP was the crappest player to ever have played for Natal (he couldnt have been if Bacher met with him) he would have been justified to have a big beef with SA cricket if Bacher had told him to f-off and that he would never play for SA.
    Vinnies account of the goings on is much the same as I remember reading.

  • Comment 121, posted at 07.08.08 17:07:29 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • The reason we like nailing Pietersen and Rathbone is because they are so damn good, and with that comes attitude and the confidence to speak their minds.

  • Comment 122, posted at 07.08.08 17:10:14 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • 168/8

  • Comment 123, posted at 07.08.08 17:17:03 by McLovin Reply

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  • 172/9

  • Comment 124, posted at 07.08.08 17:27:04 by McLovin Reply

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  • 180/9

  • Comment 125, posted at 07.08.08 17:44:12 by McLovin Reply

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  • 8 runs, 5.1 overs

  • Comment 126, posted at 07.08.08 17:44:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • Water torture!

  • Comment 127, posted at 07.08.08 17:50:12 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Why don’t they just declare…lol… and at least get some wickets whilst the ball is swinging!

  • Comment 128, posted at 07.08.08 17:50:59 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • 190/9

  • Comment 129, posted at 07.08.08 17:58:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 122) : Now THAT…..was nicely put!!

    @McLovin (Comment 129) : Please tell me the pitch are superbad!!! :shock:

  • Comment 130, posted at 07.08.08 18:03:16 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • Strauss gooooooooooooooooooonee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ntini you beauty!

  • Comment 131, posted at 07.08.08 18:34:15 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 91) :
    Supposedly Vinnie?

    I’m an avid Natal cricket supporter and what i got from guys who actually played for Natal was that KP didn’t make the team because he wasn’t good enough at the time.

    As for whether or not Bacher swore at him, it seems unlikely to me, but that is neither here nor there – your version is as much speculating as wpw’s, and therefore worth no more.

    @Me2 (Comment 110) :
    Hansie confessed nothing – he was caught out, lied about it, and came clean when he had nowhere to hide.

    We all make mistakes, but please not make him a martyr.

    I don’t understand why some South Africans feel so desperate to justify the decisions and actions of expats. Is it because they feel slightly defensive since they or there family also left to go abroad?

    I am the last of my immediate family in SA, but I feel no affinity for KP or Rathbone, neither do I have an inferiority complex compelling me to be apologetic for my fellow South African’s behaviour.

    People have travelled to different countries for centuries – why is it a big deal now? Get over it already! :roll:

  • Comment 132, posted at 07.08.08 19:36:48 by Big Fish Reply
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