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SA v Arg: Springbok player ratings

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 9 Aug 2008 at 22:33
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South Africa overcame a slow start to score a record 63-9 win over Argentina in their Mandela tribute Test in Johannesburg on Saturday. Coming back from being 0-9 down after 30 minutes, the Springboks ran in nine tries – seven in the second half rout.

It was a sluggish start and at first things did not look good for the Boks, but after the second-half rout the Bok ratings look a lot better.

Rugby365 editor Jan de Koning brings you his Springbok player ratings!

15 Conrad Jantjes: Not his best game in Green and Gold. Some good, some bad and still a dangerous man on attack. But he can’t afford this up-and-down effort against the All Blacks next week. 6/10

14 JP Pietersen: He needed a good game to get his confidence back and despite the odd slip, it was that confidence builder he was looking for. Great on attack – that step-’n-go for his try was real class. 7/10

13 Adrian Jacobs: Gave away an early penalty and ran too laterally in the first 30 minutes. But once he settled down and the game opened up he came good. 6/10

12 Jean de Villiers: Like most of the Springboks the early stages of the game he would like to forget, but he provided the spark the Boks needed with a brilliant break for Jacobs’ try – the Boks’ first. Always a danger. 7/10

11 Jongi Nokwe: He finally got the chance to show that he is a real Springbok. Very few chances early on, but his try – in stepping through a few Pumas would-be tacklers – showed he is more than just pure pace. 6/10

10 Butch James: Another player that was looking for a game to boost the confidence and found it in Johannesburg. We forgive him his missed touch finder, because his allround game was solid and his tactical kicking from the top drawer. 7/10

9 Enrico Januarie: Certainly a game he would like to forget – a perfect way of playing yourself out of the team, with several turnovers, poor passing and a knock-on to boot. 2/10

8 Pierre Spies: Quick, strong … just about everything you want in a No.8. His pace in supporting the backs helped set up a try, while he often kept several Puma defenders busy – opening space for other players. 8/10

7 Juan Smith: Better, but still not his best. Lost a ball or two, but made up for it with some great runs and hard work. Looks like his getting back to form. 6/10

6 Luke Watson: Definitely one of his better games in Green and Gold. Lost the ball through some selfish play, but showed some good skills and then that great try-saving tackle. 7/10

5 Victor Matfield (captain): He doesn’t seem to wear the captaincy armband well. His form has showed an alarming dip – his strengths are now his weaknesses. That drop from the first kick-off is symptomatic of his slump in form. He did come more into it as the game opened up and remains a class player, but this was not the greatest game for him. 4/10

4 Bakkies Botha: He seemed to overdo the physical stuff and earned the ire of the match officials. He was also injured – generally a game to forget. 4/10

3 CJ van der Linde: His scrumming, against the highly rated Pumas, was very solid, but the rest of his game needs work. 5/10

2 Bismarck du Plessis: Also a slow start, but worked his way into the game. Won a few good turnovers in the end. 6/10

1 Tendai Mtawarira: The Beast showed he can scrum, although he was not as active in carrying the ball as usual. 6/10

Replacements – 20 minutes or more to be rated:

16 Adriaan Strauss: Came on when Jaque Fourie left the field in the 57th minute and played on the flank. Looked busy, as usual. 6/10

17 Brian Mujati: Came on for CJ van der Linde in the 70th minute. Not long enough to be rated.

18 Andries Bekker: On for Bakkies Botha in the 31st minute. Some impressive tackles and a good run, but seemed too quiet at times. 5/10

19 Joe van Niekerk: On for Juan Smith in the 55th minute. Scored two tries to mark his 50th Springbok cap, a couple of greats runs and impressive allround. 7/10

20 Fourie du Preez: On for Enrico Januarie in the 50th minute. Made an immediate impact, scored with his first touch and the service to Butch James improved. Still South Africa’s best scrumhalf. 7/10

21 Jaque Fourie: On for Jean de Villiers in the 50th minute, but left the field five minutes later with what appeared to be a fractured cheekbone.

22 Percy Montgomery: On for Jongi Nokwe in the 50th minute. Made no mistakes in his 99th Springbok cap and was solid as usual. 6/10


  • Victor Matfield 4/10.

    I KNEW there was a reason that I liked Jan De Koning. :smile:

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.08.08 22:36:09 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • I am a little amazed though at Watson getting a 7 :shock:

    The highest score given was an 8 and there was only ONE of those.

    I must have missed a lot of what Watson did, Maybe i was paying to much attention to the forwards and didn’t see a lot of the stuff he did. :roll:

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.08.08 22:38:27 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Jean, Adi and Butch are a little hard done by though and should all be 8s IMO.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.08.08 22:39:32 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • The 2 for Ricky is also a little harsh.

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.08.08 22:41:59 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Luke Watson played excellent, I really don’t understand this agenda against him.

    His the only guy in this game who did his job as a cleaner of the ruck sufficiently. The rest of the guys especially Pier Spies should rather play wing, center or any of those positions. Not that I’m saying he had a bad game, but against the AB’s you need more guys who’s willing to put their heads into those rucks and Luke did it outstandingly against the Pumas.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.08.08 00:57:03 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 5) :

    I am afraid I disagree completely.

    Refer to my comments on the match thread.

    We all know I dislike the guy immensely, but facts are facts and I can tell you know that Watson spent a HECK of a lot more time in the backline than cleaning out at the rucks.

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.08.08 06:38:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 6) :

    When I say refer to my comments on the match thread I mean the ones where I (or others) mention what he does and not the ones where we voice opinions on him. :wink:

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.08.08 06:52:11 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 5) :

    I must of watched another game entirely… Watson and Victor played 13,14 all day long…

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.08.08 07:07:20 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • The concensus from most of the news articles and from the ratings here seems to be that the Boks started off to slowly.

    Victor Matfield is quoted as saying they were trying to hard. I think it was rather a case of underestimating the Argentinians.

    Make no mistake they will not be able to afford similar errors next week.

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.08.08 07:15:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA. Dude did u not watch the game? im sorry but JDV was good but he wasnt as good as Adi. As for ur take on Watson, u will never be able to be objective when it comes to rating any performance of his…

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.08.08 07:24:23 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 10) :

    Great game not a 6 though… we’ll get moered at the breakdown by the likes of Macca, Smith et al…

    Adi was awesome… however there was zero Argie defense…

    Boks will win one from three… the Ellis Park game…

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.08.08 07:46:33 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • I dont agree bryce. I think we will 2 out of 3. The Aussies wont win in SA

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.08.08 07:59:27 by wpw Reply
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  • I agree with neither of you.

    I think we will win all three and the 3Ns

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.08.08 08:15:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 12) :

    Hope so… but I’m afraid our pack and breakdown play is nowhere under PDV and Gold… we’ll soon see this weekend… very nervous…

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.08.08 08:16:15 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Coca Cola park was actually looking quite rejuvenated…

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.08.08 08:17:25 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 14) :

    I am also nervous, but to me the criteria for whether we win or not is not so much the coaching as the selected team.

    I firmly believe that if he selects the strongest team available to him then we WILL win.

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.08.08 08:29:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Bekker deserved more than 5… Matfield and Bakkies deserved 0 each.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.08.08 09:32:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) :

    Bakkies was destined for a yellow if he continued on in the manner in which he was playing.

    I think he would have calmed down had he been taken to task by the captain though. This is not a dig at Matfield for a change but I do think that John Smit would have had a quiet word with Bakkies and his game would have been sorted.

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.08.08 09:51:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 18) :

    MAtfield needs to be dropped till he learns to play like a forward…

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.08.08 09:57:11 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 19) :

    I agree with you on that bit.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.08.08 10:05:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • My take on the game. I know you have all been desperately waiting for this!! :grin: :grin:

    Jantjes are a little above average. We need an above average fullback. ( I would recommend Ruan )

    Percy with all his experience belongs on his couch. I would give him his 100th game on Newlands by bringing him on in the last 5 min.

    Nokwe showed promise, but let he prove himself against worthy opponents.

    Adi ( a nice guy ) are extremely average.

    Jean are worldclass, the only one in yesterdays starting backline.

    Jaques Fourie are unfortunate.

    JPP are so unsure of himself, I wonder if the guy knows what sport he is playing. Just watch his face when he does something. Forget the two tries, there was no opposition at that stage. The only thing that counts for him IMO is that he have all the natural abillities in the world!!!

    Bucth are not good at all. Looked a bit better alongside Fourie, but then he can only be an option IF and WHEN Fourie plays. ( My suggestion would be to cultivate Frans Steyn at Flyhalf)

    Ricky Januarie are just too slow. Has got more than his fair share of heart and guts though. I am afraid when Cockott are ready, it will be a toss up between Fourie and Kockott.

    Spies shone, but was far from convincing. A lot of his shine could be credited on Luke’s account. Spies and Kanko should contest this spot, and I would like Willem Alberts and maybe even Koster to be mentioned there as well. To keep them on their toes. Sorry Big Joe, but IMO there are too many good young guys now.

    Luke played well. On the day better than the other loosies. We need Deysel in his place though, and when Schalk returns, Deysel should play in Juan’s place on account of him (Deysel) has shown that he can fullfill both roles.

    Juan is far from his best.

    Matfield and Bakkies are playing on reputation and contribute a little to the team right now. Bakkies are becoming a walking yellow card. A sure sign of him not at his best is when he switches from playing hard to playing dirty.

    Beast is a real find. Can really fill the huge boots of Os. Strong scrummer and devastating in the loose. He must be one strong dude!!

    Bismarck is a hard man, a real good hooker. Still a little unsure on the throw, but that should take care of itself.

    CJ are okay, but I think we have better.

    WPW, Mujati did well when there was no more opposition, but does not really belong there.

    Strauss as hooker are busy, but out of his league. Heincke(Lions prop) and Wepener (Lions hooker) needs to be looked at.

    Who did I leave out? In my humble opinion we can and should do a lot better. :shock: :grin: :grin: And I think we will be lucky to even win one out of three here, this at the risk of sounding negative.

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.08.08 10:06:44 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • JPP looked in TOTAL control of his game… disagree there… and we are extremely fortunate leading into the big test…

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.08.08 10:17:36 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • I thought Matfield played rather a good tight game and was ever-present at the rucks, doing good clean out work. Bakkies was a thug and would have gone (card) if he hadn’t left the field through injury.

    Smith was quieter than usual and Luke gave away a few balls and didn’t contribute all that much, 5/10 for me. Average, nothing more.

    Bismarck had a quiet first half (like most) but really showed his power and stole more than a few balls to teach young Watson whata Fetcher should be doing.

    Jean missed a few tackles and made one impressive break thanks to poor defensive execution and I’d swap his and Adi’s ratings around.

    Jantjes was good in the air but as always, some stupid decisions that caused problems which is not what you want against the ABs.

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.08.08 10:20:19 by hellbent Reply

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  • I on da udder hand took out a good few positives from the match:

    * JPP had a good outing and much needed confidence booster.
    * Ditto for Spies.
    * JdV & Adi are starting to gel
    * Butch is settling into the ELV’s and will definitely look better against the Kiwi’s third time round.
    * Ricky will raise his game next week and do the hard battling in the first 40 min.
    * Fourie Du Preez looks ready to produce a quality 40 minutes – fool hard to risk playing him for a full 80 min when he has just returned.
    * Watson had a good game and provides good bench cover
    * CJ, Matfield & Smith will raise their games. They are big game players.

    As for team tactics: the off loading, continuity and breadth of attack are gradually improving. Not a skill we magically gonna develop overnight. Very early days and the team is slowly beginning to show Pdv’s added dimensions to their play.

    We will win the Tri-nations. Hey, the Bookie’s agree :smile:

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.08.08 10:21:19 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • Would start with Monty against the AB’s and bring Jantjes on later.

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.08.08 10:22:53 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • Conrad simply cannot join the line nor pass…

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.08.08 10:24:23 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Don’t blog here much so gonna stick me neck out far in advance:
    * Dry weather: RSA 28 – NZ 23
    * Wet weather: RSA 21 – NZ 17

    Simply stated RSA by around 5

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.08.08 11:02:18 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • It amazes me how many people can’t see the good work Luke Watson does in the rucks, yes maybe he is also brilliant as a second contributor of the ball, but that should not be seen as a negative.
    Other loose forwards get the ball in the backs just as much as Watson does, the difference just being Watson always does something really good with the ball he receives out wide, where most other loosies would just ram into the opposition and set up another ruck. Should it count against Luke that he is multi-talented. I’m not saying he does everything perfect and there was a few occasions where he made the wrong decision and lost the ball or created slow ball for the backs, but he also stole more ball possession than any other player in the team and was present at more rucks than all the other forwards.
    It has to be remembered that a loose forwards job and a fetchers job isn’t running after the ball and cleaning out every single ruck, that responsibility is a team effort, he should however clean out every second or third ruck when the game has moved back to his side of the field or well almost every ruck when the forwards are driving the ball up. Luke Watson did this and I can see no reason for this criticism of his game.

    Also Silver Fox, JP is an excellent player, he needed a little confidence or maybe he just needed some quality ball for a change, I think you will find he will be one of the best wings or even fullbacks in a long time, you don’t throw away talent like that.
    Jantjes is a good player with good rugby skills and I do believe he is Percy Montgomery’s replacement, but Percy is still there and delivers way better service at the back and he still has a few tricks up his sleeve, I think Jantjes is the one who should be getting 5 to 10 mins of game time and Percy should start not only on his 100th game, but also for the rest of the tri-nations, mark my words it will be important for our success in this years Tri-Nations.
    I agree with you on Nokwe, it’s difficult to judge a guy on a dabut against a weaker opposition, but he showed promise and the pace we all knew he had witch always is a good thing.
    Adi is a nice guy, but I don’t think he’s average, he had a couple of bad years, but I think he is finding some good form again, he is a great asset to the team and I think the typical outside center SA has been looking for, for a while. Jacques is an excellent player, but he will have to do a lot to convince me he deserves his place in the starting 15 back. SA are looking to play an expansive game, Jacques game play suites the more crash ball rugby style, where Adi fits in nicely with a team who likes to keep the ball alive.
    Jean, I wouldn’t drop him for anything, he has rugby in his blood and reads the game so easily, he hasn’t disappointed us since taking over from Dewet Barry, it’s nice to have a guy like that in your team.
    Butch is an excellent fly-half, I believe if the Sharks had him around for this years S14 they might have been very dangerous in the semis, he is underrated like he has been his whole life, I’m just glad Pdv and DM is there and they both seem to like his rugby skills. He adds a dimension to the game that SA haven’t had in a fly-half for a while now, think back after Joel Stransky and Henry Honnibol we had Jannie De Beer and Braam van Straaten, both kickers and not really ball spreaders, Louis Koen also mainly in the team because of his kicking, Gaffie who could have been brilliant, but damaged by many or almost all of his coaches, Houghaard for a short while, also would have fitted in nicely if we wanted to play ten man rugby, Jaco van der Westhuizen had an okay stint, but he was to unpredictable in his performances and please don’t get me started on most people’s favourite choice Andre Pretorius. He looks like Superman every now and then, that is when he is under absolutely no pressure, but most teams around the world have found the cryptonite that takes away all his power, any form of pressure. You might disagree with me, but he proved it again in his last game for the Springboks, when Butch was completely in control of the game, but had to come of for a minor injury, Pretorius single handedly put 15 points on the board, to bad it was for the wrong team.
    Steyn or Ruan Pienaar both could be an excellent predecessor to Butch though.
    Januarie will always be good to have around to hassle the other team’s scrummie and fly-half, but when it come to good clean and efficient service and structured smart kicking he will always be behind the master of stable play, Du Preez. Plus Du Preez has a keen eye too, Ricky will have to be happy with second fiddle at the most.
    Kockett on the other hand, he lacks decision making and control in to many areas to be considered for a Bok selection, he definately has the potential to put some pressure on our many great scrummies, but he has a few aspects of his game he needs to work on first. It is not enough just to be in the oppositions face all the time and go for every possible gap, good clean and quick service comes first if you want to be a great scrummie, and if he wants to make that step to international level he also needs to work on his kicking game. He can give Ricky a run for his money though. I must say SA is very healthy when it comes to talent in this area.
    Spies needs to get his hands dirty a little more, you can’t just wait for a clean gap to open up, sometimes you have to just carry the ball up and clean out the ruck, this will be especially important against the Kiwi’s and Aussies. Kanko is injured, but if it wasn’t for that I think he deserves a place in the team. He and Spies definitely gives us two great choices at the back. Joe is leaving, but I still think he has something to offer to the Boks, I wouldn’t count him out.
    Juan hasn’t been playing at his best, but he has been excellent for years, my opinion is that he should have been given a longer chance to gain some form in the CC. There are so many other guys that could have filled that position and showed their worth, Jean Deysel is but one of them who popped into our radar recently.
    I’ve had my say about Luke disagree as you might.
    I wouldn’t drop either Matfield or Bakkies, they always lift their game at the right time, Matfield sucks as a Captain though, and I think Jean would have made a better choice. You don’t have to pick a forward as your captain. I would have had Johan Muller there as backup though, Bekker was good in the S14, but has proved disappointing for the Boks so far, Johan or even Albert van den Berg is much more solid replacements.

    And when it comes to the front row, surprise, surprise I totally agree with you. Nothing to add.

    By the way, I think we are going to win 3 out of 3 and win this TN, unless the coach really mess things up with his selections.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.08.08 12:59:43 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 28) :

    Do you know anyone by the name Pissant or MorneN? :wink:

    By the way, I think we are going to win 3 out of 3 and win this TN, unless the coach really mess things up with his selections.

    I agree 100% with that.

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.08.08 13:10:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Kiwi’s are going to be pick and driving up the middle all day long… if Watson and Matfield are playing on the wing and not playing a s a unit… going to be a very long game…

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.08.08 13:20:15 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) :

    Nope I don’t I’m new to the site, don’t know if you realized, why do you ask?

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.08.08 16:53:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 31) :

    It was tongue in cheek question. :wink:

    Morne has a tendency to write essays as well :smile:

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.08.08 16:58:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 28) :

    “Watson … but he also stole more ball possession than any other player in the team and was present at more rucks than all the other forwards”

    Tend to believe the stats will confirm your opinion. I saw it similiarly.

    “By the way, I think we are going to win 3 out of 3 and win this TN, unless the coach really mess things up with his selections.”

    I fully agree :lol:

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.08.08 17:16:04 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • @saffa_bok (Comment 33) :

    saffa there seems to be a problem with your avatar?

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.08.08 17:19:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Saffa. Stop being an Uncle Tom. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.08.08 17:19:21 by wpw Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 28) :

    I like the way you think.

    Feel the same way about Adi. Jacque is a fantastic strike runner. Believe he and Steyn are a similiar mould of player. Devastating when you’re looking for hard runner to hit through the midfield.

    Adi is an intelligent team player. Technically very adept at keeping the ball and play alive by running clever lines and always looking to off load or bring into play his surrounding players. Very much in keeping with PdV’s long term strategy.

    Dissappointed bout Jacque’s injury. Would have offered us fantastic options having two such different and effective players in the 13 channel.

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.08.08 17:21:45 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) :

    Shall upload again

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.08.08 17:22:11 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • Still concern bout the scrumming. Think we gonna struggle – again

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.08.08 17:23:12 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • Let the skinny guy in the photo not deceive you. They say the camera removes tens of centimetres and kilos. I’m muuuch bigger in person – a few centimetres taller and few kilos bigger than Spies :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.08.08 17:29:15 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 31) : I get the feeling you like Luke Watson?

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.08.08 17:41:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @saffa_bok (Comment 39) :


  • Comment 41, posted at 10.08.08 19:53:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 28) :
    Luke did a few good things – great cover tackle as well as some good steals. However, he was WAY too often malingering in the backline, and his intervention there isn’t constructive – I dont agree that forwards who bash it up from the backline are doing something wrong – the idea is to attack the less stoutly defended secondary channels; even if you don’t break through, you committ defenders and also slow down the fanning defence, who then come back inside.

    A fetcher, as you rightly point out, will not clear out ever ruck – in fact, he wont clear many, because clearing rucks is not his primary job – stealiang or slowing down ball is more important.

    Watson plays more like an 8 than a fetcher, and that is fine – I happen to think its his best position. Thing is, he must then compete with Kankowski and Spies, and they are far better right now.

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.08.08 20:59:34 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @saffa_bok (Comment 25) :

    Agree…the ball also bounces a bit more when Conrad is at the back…
    And for some reason Conrad is not kicking as well as we’d expect…
    Plus Conrad’s def is not up to scratch….

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.08.08 15:29:00 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @saffa_bok (Comment 39) :

    The camera for sure does LIE….in actual fact reveals the opposite…

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.08.08 15:32:14 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 42) :

    I like that he’s a good rugby player and don’t like that everyone is uncriticizing him for some other reason than his game.

    Since his played for the Sharks I thought he deserved a place with the boks, and I thought everyone agreed at least for a while everyone did, but I guess personality and attitude is a bigger influencing factor than on field form.

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.08.08 16:10:50 by Letgo Reply
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  • I definitely did not mean uncriticizing.

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.08.08 16:12:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 46) : let’s be fair – all the shit that his dad (allegedly) pulled didn’t do a lot to enamour him to the majority of the rugby-watching public. I don’t have too many problems with him as a player – it’s his “self-proclaimed messiah” attitude that pisses me off.

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.08.08 16:19:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) :

    I also don’t like his wide armed walk when he joins the scrum from wing

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.08.08 16:25:31 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 48) : well, someone has to make sure the watermelons are carried safely to the next phase…

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.08.08 16:29:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • the “invisible” watermelons!

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.08.08 16:36:39 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 50) : I’m sure they are very real to Luke ;)

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.08.08 16:40:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) :
    Never mind the crap attitude he had at the Sharks – Sharks for one are way better off without him.

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.08.08 16:44:41 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 52) :
    From a team dynamic that is.

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.08.08 16:50:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : That, my man, is a very interesting statement. There are way too many people with that same problem nowadays. But what on earth ( except for the watermelons :smile: )did Luke do to justify falling into that category IYO?? I do not mean to futher flag a very dead horse, it’s just a very apt ( if maybe not applicable ) description. :grin:

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.08.08 17:18:41 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • further :wink:

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.08.08 17:19:33 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 54) : the interview he did with SASI a few years ago pretty much nailed it for me.

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.08.08 17:25:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : Cannot comment on that as I’m not familiar with it, but will take your word on it. Now let us bury dat dead horse, if only to spare Letgo further anxiety attacks. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.08.08 17:31:55 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 57) :

    Slagged off the coach and captain and a few other Bok’s in the media… in a nutshell… it’s all there to google…

    On the field I must say I mirror Feesh’es succinctly put sentiments particularly the Argie game… although it must be said he is distincly more invisible against a 3N team…

  • Comment 58, posted at 11.08.08 18:07:48 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 50) :

    I see your team didn’t do as expected :sad:

    Waterkloof vs EG Jansen, 23-15

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.08.08 19:08:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 59) : f*kin Klofie scum!

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.08.08 19:23:24 by robdylan Reply
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