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Pienaar needs to fire his agent


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 15 Aug 2008 at 09:49
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I know that reacting to a story reported on Keo is never a good idea, since they tend to be somewhat economical with the facts at times. That said, something I read there this morning really got my back up and I need to have a little rant.

Apparently, Ruan Pienaar’s agent (why is it always the agents?) has told Keo that Pienaar will leave the Sharks if he isn’t picked as first-choice scrumhalf going forward. Hilton Houghton, not a name I’ve heard before, alleges that Pienaar has had yet another “f*ck you” clause written into his Sharks contract, similar to the one Bismarck du Plessis was rumoured to have. In du Plessis’s case, that turned out to be just so much agent hot air, of course. In this case, The Sharks were apparently dumb enough to include a clause that will allow Pienaar to leave should he no longer be in the Bok frame. Notwithstanding the fact that he still has two years on his no doubt highly lucrative contract, This Houghton fellow reckons that Pienaar has issued a clear ultimatum to the Sharks: “pick me as your no 1 scrummie or I’m packing my bags for Europe.”

Now, assuming this is all true, which I don’t really believe for a second, I have a number of serious issues, not the least of which would be the Sharks including such a ridiculous clause in a player’s contract. Rudolf Straueli, bless him, has already denied that such a clause exists, while Mr Houghton insist that it clearly does and Oom Rudi knows all about it. Once again, a silly game of “he said, she said” between Straueli and an agent. Deciding which one to trust is like having to choose which of Cinderella’s ugly step sisters you’d like to date, but anyway.

Now according to the story, Pienaar and his entourage (including legendary trouble-maker, father Gysie) reckon that young Ruan is now fourth in the national pecking order and that it’s the Sharks’ responsibility to get him back to number 1, by ensuring him game time in the number 9 jersey. The suggestion that it should be the responsibility of any team to advance the international aspirations of a single player, ahead of the well-being of the team as a whole, frankly boggles the mind. Pienaar is also somewhat delusional if he reckons he’s as far down as fourth in the reckoning, unless he’s including Rory Kockott in third spot, which is kind of where all the trouble started anyway.

Here’s the rub – Rory Kockott is a better scrumhalf than Pienaar and the Sharks know it. If Ruan is so determined to be the best scrumhalf in the country, he needs to first win his place back in the provincial side, by actually playing well, as opposed to issuing childish ultimatums via his agent in the press. As far as I’m concerned, this “play the game my way or I’ll leave” approach should be firmly, unequivocally and uniformly met by the same response; “Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out!”

I’ve had enough of these Bloemfontein prima donnas. I’d far rather have players who have the heart and work ethic of a Kockott or a Barritt, than the temperamental genius of a Pienaar or a Steyn.

Note: I fully expect a statement from the player, his agent, the Sharks, Father Christmas, or all of the above, to be made in due course, panning the report on Keo as a complete fabrication. Should that be the case, I reserve the right to withdraw some of what I said above. I’ll let you know which parts, when applicable!

Further Note: We have heard, via a respected Durban journalist, that Pienaar himself has nothing whatsoever to do with any ultimatums and that this story is essentially a fabrication dreamed up by Houghton in combination with the guys from Keo.  Sorry, Ruan – all the best.



86 Comments

  • Sharks first, is my message here. I’m sure most of the guys would die for the team, but there seem to be one or two who just view it as a stepping stone to greater things.

  • Comment 1, posted at 15.08.08 09:56:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • i agree, players feel they have full rights to anything they want. that breaks up team spirit and personally i feel a team of one or two individuals doesn’t win. ruan must play where he is needed.

  • Comment 2, posted at 15.08.08 09:58:49 by try time Reply

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  • i have had a similar feeling towards frans. i found whenever he played the backline was unsettled. i don’t deny these guys have talent, but talent is useless if your buddy next to you couldn’t give a sh.t if you get smeared.

  • Comment 3, posted at 15.08.08 10:03:19 by try time Reply

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  • as for agents, well they rank a close second to a group of workers strictly forbidden to be mentioned on this site. hang on maybe bryce lawrence and Kaplan are second. Who cares they are all rated on the highly on the sh.tlist.

  • Comment 4, posted at 15.08.08 10:10:37 by try time Reply

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  • I went to school with the aformentioned agent, wouldn’t exactly give him a good write up personally…

    You know what bugs me about this kind of article / issue – is Pienaar struggles to get game time in his preferred position – may it be because he is playing musical chairs between the National squad and the Sharks squad…he should be released to the Sharks and given time to establish himself at 9 or move to another Province where he will get the game time, this whole if i don’t get what i want i am off to earn pounds is bullshit.

    Rudi, idiot that he is, should find a local team for him to play in where he will play 9, and keep him on the books. Loan agreements work fine in roundball, why shouldn’t it work in Rugby.

    Send him to play for the Mighty Elephants and see how he shuts up and focuses on getting back to the sharks in the 9 jersey.

  • Comment 5, posted at 15.08.08 10:12:46 by Sauce Reply
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  • Hold on a second – was he actually alleged to have said “play me as your first-choice 9″ or was it “play me at my preferred possie of 9″?

    Massive difference, and if its the latter, then I must disagree with you and say that if the Sharks cant do that, then they should let him go.

  • Comment 6, posted at 15.08.08 10:20:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 6) : The inference was that if the Sharks didn’t give him the opportunity to get back into the Boks at 9, he would leave. Now how is that going to work if he’s only playing 20 minutes a week?

  • Comment 7, posted at 15.08.08 10:27:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • If there are as many as one guy that will “die” for the team, I will go and buy a hat to eat. The closest case of real loyalty that I can recall, happen to be a freestater. One Helgaardt Muller who I believe started and played right through his career for the Cheetahs in an era where money allready talked. I may even be wrong in his case. Let’s face it, in the modern era money talks, and it does not matter what words you choose as to why you are leaving, it simply comes down to looking after no1 first.

    To nail one guy and praise another are a bit inconsistant for my liking. IF the stories are true, let us rather wish Ruan all the best as well.

  • Comment 8, posted at 15.08.08 10:28:36 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • The way I understand it, he only wants to play scrumhalf. I don’t reckon anybody would be stupid enough to demand to be first choice.

  • Comment 9, posted at 15.08.08 10:30:36 by McLovin Reply

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  • let’s remember something else as well: this bullshit of moving Ruan around the backline was started by Jake White, not by anyone at the Sharks. Ruan has been used exclusively at scrumhalf by the Sharks right up until this year, when he lost his place through lack of form an injury. The decision to play him at ten was essentially a lifeline thrown to him to allow him back into the starting team.

    The way I see it, he needs to decide. First choice flyhalf, or reserve scrumhalf. Or vat jou goed en trek.

  • Comment 10, posted at 15.08.08 10:30:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 9) : then fine – he must make himself unavailable to play any position other than scrumhalf. But when he is benched in favour of Kockott, he must accept that with good grace.

  • Comment 11, posted at 15.08.08 10:32:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) :
    I would imagine that it would work if they choose him only at 9 – if he cant make it as 1st choice having had a full go at Rory while playing in the 9 jersey, than tough takkie.

    But how can he launch an effective challenge for the 9 jersey if he is being picked anywhere but 9?

    The Sharks have a right to play him anywhere they want to – even flank – by virtue of the big money he is paid. However, that is not the present issue is it? In any event, a union shouldn’t hang onto players who aren’t happy – it doesn’t benefit either the player or team.

    Ultimately, Pienaar has the right to want to at least effectively compete for his preferred jersey, and if the Sharks cant grant him that, then I hope they let him go somewhere he can.

    Would it be fair to hold onto both John Smit and Bismark and then play Bismark primarily at flank?

  • Comment 12, posted at 15.08.08 10:33:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Sauce (Comment 5) : who is this guy, Sauce? Does he represent a lot of players? I’ve never heard his name before… sounds like he’s just a trouble-maker like all the others.

  • Comment 13, posted at 15.08.08 10:34:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : Agree.

  • Comment 14, posted at 15.08.08 10:36:42 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 12) : Ok, but then it’s as above. He tells the Sharks he’s unwilling to play anywhere other than 9 and accepts whatever consequences there may be.

  • Comment 15, posted at 15.08.08 10:37:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • Why is it that we never hear stories about any other Sharks players running their mouths off in the press, but Pienaar and Steyn seem to do it all the time?

  • Comment 16, posted at 15.08.08 10:38:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : That will be fair. To get yourself worked up at Keo and then we have to calm you down?? :roll:

  • Comment 17, posted at 15.08.08 10:41:18 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • This opens up a whole new can of worms, of course: Where the F*CK are we going to find a flyhalf to play in the Super 14 next year? We’ve lost Barritt and now Pienaar says he won’t play there. Steyn is just a bloody disaster, but at this rate he’s the guy we’re going to end up with at pivot. And then who will play 12? Strauss? Give me a break. Will need to be either Adi or Swannie.

    Dammit, things are starting to go pear-shaped and it’s all because Muir refused to just settle on a side and tell players where he saw them fitting in.

  • Comment 18, posted at 15.08.08 10:41:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : It is something about the highest trees…. :grin:

  • Comment 19, posted at 15.08.08 10:42:25 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :
    Maybe thats what he has done here Rob.

  • Comment 20, posted at 15.08.08 10:42:51 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 17) : nobody said this would be easy ;)

  • Comment 21, posted at 15.08.08 10:43:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 19) : but they are both playing like shit. If they were that good, I’d understand it, but right now, both of them seem to have a huge disparity between their egos and their performance levels, if you know what I mean.

    @Big Fish (Comment 20) : Let’s hope so. Again, read the last para ;)

  • Comment 22, posted at 15.08.08 10:45:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • It seems to me Pienaar has made his decision & is also willing to accept the consequences. Be that sit on the bench or move on.

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.08.08 10:45:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • One FORTUNATELY does still get loyal supporters. :mrgreen:

    And before someone comments on my SB scores, I said loyal, not stupid. :roll:

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.08.08 10:46:02 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) :
    Rob, to use some Pratchett wisdom on you, that caveat is no better than talking a lot of crap and then ending by saying IMHO – such opinions are never very humble to begin with. :wink:

    @Silver Fox (Comment 24) :
    :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.08.08 10:48:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : That’s more like it Rob. Their level of competence at the moment should be under the spotlight, nothing else. :???:

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.08.08 10:49:53 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 25) : Fish – the point is, my opinion on the matter is based entirely on my understanding of some (admittedly very dodgy) facts. At this stage, I have no idea how true the “facts” are and also have no way of finding out if they’re true. You know me well enough to know that I’ll gladly retract what I’ve said and eat the necessary amount of crow should this all turn out to be nothing but agent mischief (which I truly hope it is)

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.08.08 10:52:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 25) : BF, should an opinion ever be humble? Would it be taken as an opinion? :grin:

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.08.08 10:52:39 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • Rob, i haven’t encounterted him since school days where i didn’t really think he was too much of a stand up guy and remember an agent is always going to try and get PR for himself probably ahead of the best interests of his clients.

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.08.08 10:59:03 by Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) :
    Rob, I see where you coming from, but I just think that you are throwing some heated words out there – you should be pretty certain before letting fly at a player who, I think we will all agree, has been stuffed around a fair bit.

    @Silver Fox (Comment 28) :
    All opinions should be humble – they aren’t facts after all.

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.08.08 10:59:23 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Hell rob aren’t you being just a bit (actually very) harsh on Pienaar considering your stance on Brad Baritt, who ultimately said “I’m outta here” as opposed to Pienaar who is saying “I’m with you guys but please dont play me out of position.”

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.08.08 11:09:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 30) : I believe one may be right or one may be wrong ( proven when all the facts are on the table ), but if you do not have an opinion, you cannot participate in any discussion. And therefore your opinion cannot be humble.

    And if what the death of rats thinx about education…. :lol:

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.08.08 11:10:17 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 30) : I don’t agree that the Sharks have stuffed Pienaar around at all. The Boks – well, that’s a different story.

    @Salmonoid (Comment 31) : At least Brad didn’t play any games or make any silly ultimatums. He made his decision and he left. He explained his reasons and didn’t try to force anybody to do anything they didn’t want to do. AND did he ever complain about being played out of position when the team needed him? No, he didn’t. So, in short, I don’t see any similarities here.

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.08.08 11:17:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 32) : SQUEAK

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.08.08 11:19:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • anyway – we’re getting carried away for now reason (at least I am) as I’m 98% sure the supposed clause in Pienaar’s contract is every bit as real as the one in Bismarck’s :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.08.08 11:25:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 32) :
    That argument doesn’t flow.

    You cant participate in a discussion unless you have an opinion, therefore an opinion cant be humble? :?:

    @robdylan (Comment 33) :
    I for one do think that he has been stuffed around – not in being placed behind Kockott, but in being made to play everywhere in the backline.

    And Brad only ever played 10 or 12 – not a big shift for him to deal with.

    Added to which, he also gave Keo an exclusive after the 2008 S14 Final in which he publicly expressed confusion about being dropped. Is that so much better than Ruan’s AGENT making some statements saying he wants to be picked exclusively at 9 or released?

    Not to me.

  • Comment 36, posted at 15.08.08 11:27:18 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :
    Maybe not too many similarities but for me (as a sharks supporter) the biggest dissimilarity is that the one DOES still want to play for the Sharks and the other DOES’NT and that for me (as a Sharks supporter)is the one that counts.

  • Comment 37, posted at 15.08.08 11:27:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I say rather wait till the facts come out

  • Comment 38, posted at 15.08.08 11:29:47 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 36) : Fish – Ruan hasn’t actually been moved around the Sharks backline. Aside from a handful of appearances at flyhalf (less than 5) he’s played every other game at scrumhalf.

    @Salmonoid (Comment 37) : Touché. I actually cannot counter that point.

  • Comment 39, posted at 15.08.08 11:33:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 38) : ok – you are spot on about that. Just had guidance from a very respected friend on that point as well – this is the agent speaking, not Ruan himself and we know how agents tend to twist things.

  • Comment 40, posted at 15.08.08 11:35:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • :shock: At this rate we won’t be able to field 22 players…

    If this article is true… :wink:

    IMO…Ruaan, in his best form…will not be a better scrumhalf than Kocky…and neither will he be the best scrummie in the country. The dude is a complete player and everything but maybe he should really think about the consequences of choosing between jersey number 20 or 10.

    Would it make him feel better if they change number 10 to 9.5 ??? :???:

  • Comment 41, posted at 15.08.08 11:35:34 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) :
    Fair point there Rob – I think its the Boks who have stuffed him around more. So I am glad that PDV has asked him to choose and be damned (or not).

  • Comment 42, posted at 15.08.08 11:36:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Friends – I have changed the title and added an additional comment at the bottom.

  • Comment 43, posted at 15.08.08 11:47:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) :
    Hows that crow there Roberto?

    Might wanna read “Much Ado about Nothing” while you eating.

    :wink: :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 15.08.08 11:49:41 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 44) : don’t rub it in!

  • Comment 45, posted at 15.08.08 11:52:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) :
    Hehehe!

    Where is Wes when you need a real low blow? :twisted:

    I like the new title though. :grin:

  • Comment 46, posted at 15.08.08 11:55:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Pienaar was interviewed recently (I think it was after the WP game) and he very clearly stated that scrumhalf was his position but that he also understood that from time to time he could be played out of position when necessary. He didnt seem to be anal about the whole thing.

  • Comment 47, posted at 15.08.08 11:56:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 46) : Hey…when did we start hating the agent? :shock:

  • Comment 48, posted at 15.08.08 12:01:33 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 47) : Well…that sounds cool with me…I think all players feel that way.

  • Comment 49, posted at 15.08.08 12:03:36 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 47) : yes, yes… I admit, I was wrong. Pienaar himself had nothing to do with this story. It was something that his agent made up.

    You want me to video the lashes and post the clip on Youtube?

  • Comment 50, posted at 15.08.08 12:03:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 48) :
    Catch up son, catch up!

    I was just giving Rob credit for a good comeback.

  • Comment 51, posted at 15.08.08 12:04:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) :
    Squeal like a pig booi! :mrgreen:

    I think we all understand that you always wear your heart on your sleeve and at least own up when you are wrong.

    Still funny though. :lol:

  • Comment 52, posted at 15.08.08 12:06:13 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 52) : I still think Pienaar will leave before long.

  • Comment 53, posted at 15.08.08 12:09:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 52) : you been talking to TG in the last 5 minutes? :shock:

  • Comment 54, posted at 15.08.08 12:09:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 51) : Until someone from Agent’s Rights comes along…

  • Comment 55, posted at 15.08.08 12:14:02 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 52) : Yeah…plus it took my mind away from tomorrow for a second…

  • Comment 56, posted at 15.08.08 12:15:23 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 54) :
    No. Why? Am I suddenly sounding intelligent?

    @blackshark (Comment 55) :
    Thats when I get all Tupac on their asses. You know what that means, dontcha? :evil:

  • Comment 57, posted at 15.08.08 12:15:43 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : before long ??? That could be 2015…

  • Comment 58, posted at 15.08.08 12:17:50 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 57) : no – cos he and I just agreed on exactly the same thing

    @blackshark (Comment 58) : I mean before 2010

  • Comment 59, posted at 15.08.08 12:20:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 57) : Gotcha :wink:

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.08.08 12:23:27 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) :
    That would be a start but I must first confirm whether Ruan will be happy with that. :twisted:

  • Comment 61, posted at 15.08.08 12:34:16 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • :lol: :lol:
    I like the way the title of this thread has changed.

  • Comment 62, posted at 15.08.08 12:44:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Peter Div spits out a pearler !! – “If you look at the Bible, Joseph started out in the pit and ended up in the palace. There was a moerse lot of kak in between… “ Bee you tea full :razz:

  • Comment 63, posted at 15.08.08 12:51:21 by PJLD(RIP Bernie Mac) Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 62) : I mentioned a few posts earlier on that I’d changed hte title

  • Comment 64, posted at 15.08.08 12:51:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PJLD(RIP Bernie Mac) (Comment 63) : where did he say that?

  • Comment 65, posted at 15.08.08 12:52:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • You know where to look :wink:

  • Comment 66, posted at 15.08.08 12:54:40 by PJLD(RIP Bernie Mac) Reply
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  • Fourie du Preez is SA No. 1 scrumhalf.
    Ruan Pienaar is SA No. 2 scrumhalf and has all reasons to pretend to play in that position with the Sharks.

  • Comment 67, posted at 15.08.08 13:05:10 by Die Jood Reply

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  • @Die Jood (Comment 67) : Where is Ricky?

  • Comment 68, posted at 15.08.08 13:26:48 by blackshark Reply

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  • Had to leave. Missed out on a lot of good comments, but if this one isn’t a gem,@robdylan (Comment 43) : !!! :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 69, posted at 15.08.08 13:35:02 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Die Jood (Comment 67) : Ruan on form maybe, but not near to that at the moment

  • Comment 70, posted at 15.08.08 13:35:37 by PJLD(RIP Bernie Mac) Reply
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  • If both players were in top form I’d still have Ricki ahead of Ruan.

    He has better defense and applies more pressure on his opponents.

  • Comment 71, posted at 15.08.08 13:40:52 by wpw Reply
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  • I just logged on….So Rob what was the title before you changed it? :roll:

  • Comment 72, posted at 15.08.08 13:42:46 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 72) : can’t make out if you are being serious or not…but it’s right there in your address bar…

  • Comment 73, posted at 15.08.08 13:47:36 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 73) : I was serious but thanks for pointing that out. Wouldn’t we all want to see Pienaar back at his best at scrumhalf. My opinion when it comes to a player like Pienaar is that all the talent is coached out of them. Players with the talent and vision of Pienaar and Steyn lose the explosiveness once they are coached by the likes of White who is very structured and not a lot is left for the players to play their natural game

  • Comment 74, posted at 15.08.08 13:53:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 64) :
    Sorry, didnt see that.

  • Comment 75, posted at 15.08.08 14:02:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • By Craig Lewis

    Sharks scrumhalf-cum-flyhalf Ruan Pienaar has unequivocally stated that he wants to play at No 9.

    Pienaar said he had decided he would like to get more game time at scrumhalf because he was tired of being shuffled around the backline.

    He also confirmed that he has received offers from various overseas clubs that are interested in acquiring his services but he emphasised that he was by no means giving the Sharks an ultimatum.

    “I really feel I have got something to offer at No 9 and I feel that’s my best position.

    “My personal feeling is that I just want to get more game time there. I am not giving the Sharks an ultimatum. I love Durban and I am very happy there but I just need some time in one position.”

    Pienaar was recently dropped from the Boks Tri-Nations squad.

    It was felt that Pienaar and another Shark, Frans Steyn, needed to specialise in one position if they wanted to cement a spot in the national team.

    So did that influence Pienaar’s decision to ask to play at scrumhalf?

    “Ja, it has been difficult being moved around the backline and I am in the same boat as Frans but really it is just a case of me wanting to get an opportunity to have an extended run at No 9.

    “I just want to sharpen up and get back to my best form.”

  • Comment 76, posted at 15.08.08 14:16:59 by wpw Reply
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  • all is quiet on the western front :shock:

  • Comment 77, posted at 15.08.08 14:36:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 76) : PLEASE can someone just dig out the stats already? I’d love to know how many games Pienaar has played for the Sharks in any position other than scrumhalf. If it’s more than 5, I’ll be surprised.

  • Comment 78, posted at 15.08.08 15:00:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nope Pienaar needs to shave his mono-brow and then come over to the best country in the world…

  • Comment 79, posted at 15.08.08 16:41:50 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Tahs, or Reds, or Force 9… awesome!

  • Comment 80, posted at 15.08.08 16:43:04 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Why would a SHARKS supporter want that bryce? :evil:

  • Comment 81, posted at 15.08.08 16:47:30 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 81) : you have to forgive him. Some of the company he keeps is clearly addling his brain ;)

  • Comment 82, posted at 15.08.08 16:56:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) :
    Aaah – we will go easy on him then. :twisted:

  • Comment 83, posted at 15.08.08 17:08:49 by Big Fish Reply
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  • yo have got to believe, though, that Kockott would make Pienaar his beeyotch if the two played against once another.

  • Comment 84, posted at 15.08.08 17:32:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 84) : I like them both and really feel that Ruan made a mistake that will cost either him or SA/Sharks rugby plenty in the future. But he may see the light yet!!

  • Comment 85, posted at 15.08.08 17:36:53 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • All this moaning… did RP not play 9 last weekend… and now we have the number 2 and 3 half-back in the country… what a predicament…

  • Comment 86, posted at 16.08.08 02:21:05 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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