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Sharks can only get better


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 29 Sep 2008 at 12:58

There’s bad news for the other guys out there: the Sharks are already looking the best bet to win the Currie Cup, despite not playing anywhere near potential at the moment.

The Sharks, in fact, were pretty woeful for large periods of the game against the Lions and one could argue that with 25 minute still to play, it was really anybody’s game on Saturday. Enter Messrs Kankowski and Pietersen with some superb pieces of individual play (oh yeah, and Deysel did something pretty nifty as well) and it was all over, red rover. Sharks win by 14, with an unexpected bonus point to boot.

But what of the errors? The woeful ball retention at times and the frankly crazy passes being flung all over the field. What of the consummate ease with which both Heinke van der Merwe and newbie Ross Geldenhuys bested our first-choice props? What of the at-times woeful defence that allowed the lions to score three ultimately very simple tries?

Fact is, we as Sharks fans need to be mindful of the fact that, even though our team romped to a seemingly comprehensive victory this weekend, there are some definite areas in which much improvement is needed. Hopefully this weekend’s cake walk against Griquas in Durban will provide an opportunity to fine tune and try to put right the things we did wrong against the Lions.

There’s not a huge amount that can, or needs to, be done in the front row. Heinke van der Merwe is a freakishly strong scrummager and there are very few tightheads outside of BJ Botha who have shown the ability to hold him. Let’s just hope that Saturday’s working over will have given Doc Jannie a timely reminder that he needs to stay sharp and ensure he’s on top of his game in the weeks that follow. Beast seemed to really struggle against Geldenhuys as well, but I guess we can probably write that off as something that the young prop will learn from. We have the pecking order right at this stage and have two very good props waiting in the wings should things really go pear-shaped at srum-time over the next 3 weeks.

The pack as a whole is doing a far better job when it comes to ball retention – our biggest problem right now is our centres and their frankly awful contact technique. Frans Steyn is slightly more guilty than Adi Jacobs, but neither player emerged with any sort of credit after turning over numerous balls to the Lions. Frans needs to have the riot act read to him in no uncertain terms, though. After a very good match against the Cheetahs, one which has now seen him take regular possession of the number 12 jersey, he has taken huge steps backwards in the last two weeks. Once again, he is all arrogance and bluster, with very little constructive play to back it up. He does put in some big tackles, I’ll give him that and his drop attempt was so nearly there this week. His reluctance to pass, coupled with some frankly atrocious long passes which seldom find their intended target, stifles so much good attacking ball for the Sharks line, though. It’s frankly ludicrous the extent to which Adi Jacobs was taken completely out of the game by Steyn’s woeful decision-making. I’d be quite shocked if there was one single pass from 12 to 13 all game long.

But it wasn’t just the centres who were poor. In fact, more than half of the team put in sub-standard performances on the day, even the great Kanko looking decidedly off-the-boil apart from the two touches that won us the game. Jean Deysel suffered from a bad case of the dropsies in the first half and conceded a pair of really silly penalties. Stefan Terblanche missed a regulation tackle on Nontshinga leading to the Lions’ opening try. Fred Michalak seemed to be entirely on his own planet at times and only rarely managed to get onto the same wavelength as his teammates. Odwa Ndungane and Jacques Botes were both virtually anonymous. Bismarck du Plessis’s lineout woes continued.

The message is a clear one. Sharks – there is no room for complacency. Sure, you ultimately won comfortably, but you need to go back and fix those areas that are not working so well right now. Do that and you’ll be unstoppable.

And as for the others… the Sharks only need to win three more games, in Durban and the Currie Cup is ours. We’ve beaten all of you without really playing well yet and we’re only going to get better. We have a better 22 than any other side in the competition and a coaching team with a good understanding and plan for how we’re going to win this thing. Be afraid, because the Sharks are going all the way this year!



201 Comments

  • ok – so where are all the Steyn fans? :)

  • Comment 1, posted at 29.09.08 13:10:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • please please please, let this be the year.

  • Comment 2, posted at 29.09.08 13:13:50 by knersboy Reply

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  • u know rob, every time steyn gets the ball i cringe. especially if it is on our own half.

  • Comment 3, posted at 29.09.08 13:15:12 by knersboy Reply

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  • I Agree on the Michalak thing…it feels to me that its either black or white (hehe) with him…he either plays well (the whole game) or badly (the whole game)…so, to me its a bit of a chance…if he’s on par the day we say YAY!, but the day he starts with a mistake…its not lekker, coz he does not sommer perform well after that…

    Have to say – and sure I can get slapped from sides for this…dont you think Sykes’ game has picked up? Its almost like there is a bt of a “matureness’ that has settled in…although I still cannot help getting a grin when he scores a try…pure childlike happiness! :lol:

  • Comment 4, posted at 29.09.08 13:20:24 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 4) : did you see that pickup that led to Albert’s try in the Valke game? Pure genius!

  • Comment 5, posted at 29.09.08 13:22:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 4) : So much so that the coach dropped him to the bench :twisted:

  • Comment 6, posted at 29.09.08 13:24:58 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) :

    No – I missed that game…had a dance show… :mad:

  • Comment 7, posted at 29.09.08 13:25:29 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 6) :

    Baldy – seems like all the boks or on the bench…so maybe….?? :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 8, posted at 29.09.08 13:26:07 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • Well I am afraid the glass is half empty from where I am standing.

    The win on the weekend was anything but comfortable, because other than the score, it was a lot tougher than some might suggest.

    Remember, as Steyn and Stefan stuffed up a bit, so did Rose for the Lions and gifted you two tries.

    Tit for tat – depending which side of the fence you sit on.

    Also, the victory against the Bulls a couple of weeks ago was also a hell of a lot closer than one would have liked.

    Back then I mentioned the Sharks would win because the Bulls at that stage lacked cohesion and the killer instinct.

    Since then, they picked up their game and their act.

    What worries me about the Sharks is how clinically they execute, and apart from one or two players, it is poor to be frank.

    Compared to the Bulls the other team you will meet in the finals, the Sharks looks off the pace.

    In the last two games the Bulls execution was clinical when it mattered.

    I believe your coach summed it up best, currently you play like a really good team, but not a champion team.

    And that my dear friends is what tripped the Sharks up in the last 10 years. You were always good enough, but lacked that edge champion teams have.

    I mentioned it last week, and will say it again this week.

    I hope you win it though, because between yourself and the Lions I want a winner, just not any of the other lot please.

  • Comment 9, posted at 29.09.08 13:30:12 by MorneN Reply
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  • Sykes definitely has played 2 very good games on the Highveld. I thought it was because he thought Ice was there live and in person cheering him on – and now she tells us she chose dancing over rugby.

  • Comment 10, posted at 29.09.08 13:31:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I agree Rob,same situation as in the Super 14, but in the Super 14 we got worse and not better and I really think the only way the Sharks will win the CC is in their heads.

  • Comment 11, posted at 29.09.08 13:32:54 by Pokkel Reply
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  • And Steyn needs to wake the f… up :twisted:

  • Comment 12, posted at 29.09.08 13:34:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 10) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: A girls got to do what a girls got to do… :wink:

  • Comment 13, posted at 29.09.08 13:35:23 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • Yeah…our backline was like a stick of dynamite with a LOOOONG slow match. The threat was there…but we waited and waited for the BANG!

    Mission Coke Factory accomplished…we need to take care of the Griquas now…with minimum fuss. :grin:

    I’m guessing we’re saving our TOP GAME for the LAST TWO games of the competition. :wink:

  • Comment 14, posted at 29.09.08 13:43:26 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 14) : let’s just hope so…

  • Comment 15, posted at 29.09.08 13:57:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • How many of you knew that Ice was a Lions dancing girl, or is it for the Valke? :wink:

  • Comment 16, posted at 29.09.08 13:58:54 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) :

    I asked you SO nicely not to tell!! :evil:

  • Comment 17, posted at 29.09.08 14:00:19 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • In reality, if the Sharks had converted their possesion and pressure they exerted into points, then the margin would have been closer to 25 than 14.

  • Comment 18, posted at 29.09.08 14:01:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : The problem with us Sharks supporters is we want the team to play good rugby and to win trophies…simultaneously. Other people just want trophies…

    Let’s just chill…we don’t have to play great rugby every week to win the cup. :grin:

  • Comment 19, posted at 29.09.08 14:03:58 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 19) :

    You mean like te bulls….they can pay a ref ….as long as they get the cup?? :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 29.09.08 14:06:11 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • We got a TRY bonus point … against the LIONS at Ellis Park…I know it wasn’t our best performance but Province would’ve killed for same result against Boland. The glass is nowhere near empty Sharkies… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 29.09.08 14:11:01 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 20) : he he he… :lol:

  • Comment 22, posted at 29.09.08 14:11:53 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 19) : yeah, but playing bad rugby just once in the next 3 weeks could mean no cup – again!

  • Comment 23, posted at 29.09.08 14:16:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 21) : I never said it was… the trophy cabinet, however, is… and we can afford to leave nothing to chance.

  • Comment 24, posted at 29.09.08 14:24:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : ” We’ve beaten all of you without really playing well yet and we’re only going to get better.”

    We are waiting since the start of the super14 for them to get better. An awesome team on paper, but I am worried. And I now really start to blame the coaches for not being able to get this team to ‘gel’ and perform.

  • Comment 25, posted at 29.09.08 14:30:26 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : Eh…LOSING in the next 3 weeks will mean no cup…but yeah we don’t want those UGLY WINS anymore, we’re a choosy bunch, that’s why I’m also hoping we’re “saving the best for last”.

    Good rugby and making good decisions will take us home straight now…but let’s not try to fool ourselves into thinking we’re underdogs at this stage. We’ve done the hard work…we need to keep the heads cool.

    @robdylan (Comment 24) : It wasn’t you mate… our friend from the other side did. MorneN (Comment 9) : :smile:

  • Comment 26, posted at 29.09.08 14:32:58 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 26) :

    Monnas…you mean… :wink:

  • Comment 27, posted at 29.09.08 14:42:21 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 26) : maybe I just have a guilty conscience :)

  • Comment 28, posted at 29.09.08 14:43:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • “It’s frankly ludicrous the extent to which Adi Jacobs was taken completely out of the game by Steyn’s woeful decision-making. I’d be quite shocked if there was one single pass from 12 to 13 all game long.” Mmmm…What I have feared the most…Still my reason why I would play Jacobs @ 12 to create more quality ball for the outside backs… :wink:

  • Comment 29, posted at 29.09.08 14:45:05 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 29) :

    hallo daar, Charlie.. :lol:

  • Comment 30, posted at 29.09.08 14:53:25 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 29) : must say, I agree with you on that one. Either that or stick Steyn at 15 and bring Swanepoel in at 12

  • Comment 31, posted at 29.09.08 14:53:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : I’ve always liked the Steyn at Fullback idea…I just need to find a way to convince Frans. It would be great for him, the Sharks and the Boks….a win-win-win situation…

    El momento es ahora

  • Comment 32, posted at 29.09.08 14:59:39 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 30) : Eish my meisiekind :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 29.09.08 15:00:36 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : But Steyn on the outside of Adi could work quite well… :cool:

  • Comment 34, posted at 29.09.08 15:02:08 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 34) :

    But then we might not see a try by Odwa or JP… :wink: I say make him water boy!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 29.09.08 15:06:06 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 34) : Steyn should be the next Percy… he already has a fancy hairstyle.

  • Comment 36, posted at 29.09.08 15:06:58 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 35) : Frans will still prove himself somewhere, somehow. It may not be for the Sharks, but he will. Just too much class there. :twisted:

  • Comment 37, posted at 29.09.08 15:08:50 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 35) : Hey…he’s not that bad… :evil:

  • Comment 38, posted at 29.09.08 15:09:15 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 37) : Agree…short of…class of an individual… :twisted:

  • Comment 39, posted at 29.09.08 15:10:34 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 37) : I hope you’re not suggesting that we should trade him to another union… :sad:

  • Comment 40, posted at 29.09.08 15:10:52 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 37) :

    you see what you’ve started again…? :roll:

    @just blackshark (Comment 38) :

    JK..! :wink:

  • Comment 41, posted at 29.09.08 15:14:42 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 39) : Difficult to look past Adi? :roll:

    @just blackshark (Comment 40) : And no, but reading this thread, it is what the Shars deserve. :???:

  • Comment 42, posted at 29.09.08 15:14:52 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 42) : dude – no one player is more important than the team. Frans needs to get that into his head

  • Comment 43, posted at 29.09.08 15:22:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • Take away a player like Frans Steyn and the depth we always brag about starts looking like a kiddies pool.

    It always gets darkest before dawn…Steyn will find his niche …

  • Comment 44, posted at 29.09.08 15:25:30 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : Agreed. But then so do a lot of the Sharks!!

  • Comment 45, posted at 29.09.08 15:25:32 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : Mos’ def’…

  • Comment 46, posted at 29.09.08 15:28:53 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : No need for me to add anything…Oops but rugby’s a team sport… :oops:

  • Comment 47, posted at 29.09.08 15:34:46 by Charlie Reply

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  • Sharks to win a final…?
    Well, 15 times a charm :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 29.09.08 15:59:18 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 48) : yikes!

    Has it been THAT MANY? :)

  • Comment 49, posted at 29.09.08 16:06:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • robdylan I don’t really know how to react to this article, because I don’t really understand in what light you wrote it and how am I supposed to understand it. Aren’t you a the glass is halve empty kind of guy?.

    Let me tackle this particular paragraph first.
    In fact, more than half of the team put in sub-standard performances on the day, even the great Kanko looking decidedly off-the-boil apart from the two touches that won us the game. Jean Deysel suffered from a bad case of the dropsies in the first half and conceded a pair of really silly penalties. Stefan Terblanche missed a regulation tackle on Nontshinga leading to the Lions’ opening try. Fred Michalak seemed to be entirely on his own planet at times and only rarely managed to get onto the same wavelength as his teammates. Odwa Ndungane and Jacques Botes were both virtually anonymous. Bismarck du Plessis’s lineout woes continued.

    Ryan cleaned out 11 rucks made 5 runs 3 which was pretty significant he made 5 tackles and gained ground in 2 tackles, to me he looked pretty good. Jean suffered from the dropsies yet I count 2 knocks from him, one in the first half and one in the second, he did give away 3 penalties though, but considering he was involved with 16 rucks and made 9 tackles it’s not to bad. That tackle by Stefan was horrible, but I would say the rest of his game was good. I don’t really disagree about Fred. Odwa did have a quiet game, but he’s a wing and it happens from time to time. Jacques on the other hand made 7 tackles and was involved at 12 rucks, a lot of our clean ball and their slower ball is thanks to him, you don’t have to shine to be significant.
    What game did you watch?

    The woeful ball retention at times and the frankly crazy passes being flung all over the field.
    With the ball retention I agree to an extent. Overall we had 19 turnovers this includes knocks and bad kicks directly into touch, but thirteen turnovers at the ruck even against a side like the Lions who boasts a great record in this area is not good enough and the Sharks will want to work on this. Crazy passes flung all over the field, this happened once and I hated it two, but I don’t think this one incident is anything to worry about.

    Now the man whom you reserved your longest paragraph for, man you must despise the poor guy.

    Frans Steyn is slightly more guilty than Adi Jacobs, but neither player emerged with any sort of credit after turning over numerous balls to the Lions.
    What a completely incorrect statement. He lost two balls, 1 a really, really bad knock and the other 1 on the ground. Adi also lost two both on the ground.
    Steyn had possession of the ball 21 times. He ran with it 9 times with one offload, 4 of these runs resulted in meters gained. He passed 4 times (once to Adi Jacobs and once slapped down by Cobus Grobbelaar which gave us a penalty and four points, the other time he passed to Ryan who ran into a gap to put Carstens or JP over the line, and once he cleaned the ball from a ruck.) He kicked 3 times and dropped once. 5 of the 21 times he had the ball he caught a kick and could not pass to Adi. He made 6 tackles were involved at 7 rucks, stole one ball and missed one tackle.
    Now here’s Adi. He had possession of the ball 8 times. He ran with the ball 2 times and never went over the advantage line in the tackle, he lost the ball on the ground both times. He passed four times and kicked once. He was involved at 4 rucks and stole 1 ball, he made 2 tackles, but also missed 2.
    Those are the stats, based just on that you really didn’t watch the right game. Sure Adi didn’t get the ball a lot, but Steyn ran the ball only four times when he could have passed to Adi, the other times he passed, kicked or received the ball from out of position.

    “he is all arrogance and bluster”? What evidence do you have to this fact? Or is that line motivated purely from your massive despise for this player. I really do think you should get over it.
    Sure he does make the occasional mistake, or bad decision, but so does most if not all rugby players, non of them are perfect. Is it because you expect him to be some kind of miracle player every time? He had a standard game and should at lest get a 7 for his play. Non of our backline players really got any momentum and our only good play in the backline came from loose ball. Now you single out one of the players in the backline? It just doesn’t seem right.
    I know you love Barritt and you think he’s the greatest thing that happened to South African rugby, but the fact of the matter is that he is leaving the Sharks at the age of 23 and probably also deserting South Africa because he couldn’t fight for a place in the Bok team a little longer. Besides that he didn’t even have a very great Super14 and after the World Cup Steyn should have been switched to 12 from the get go, but because the coaches likes Barritt so much they decided to move Steyn around the whole season.

    Answering comment one, here’s a Steyn fan whose got all the facts and stats straight before retaliating.

    I do agree with your last paragraph though, that’s something right?

  • Comment 50, posted at 30.09.08 02:13:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • Also my mom will probably see Jacques this wednesday, if you can give me details on how you want to do the interview we might be able to organize something depending on Jacques.

  • Comment 51, posted at 30.09.08 02:15:06 by Letgo Reply
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  • I meant we got 3 points when Grobbelaar slapped down that pass of Steyn.

    If you remember correctly, Ruan took a quick tap and passed to steyn who in turned passed to the backline, but the ball never went to hand, because Cobus Grobbelaar who never retreated 10m got a hand to the ball.

  • Comment 52, posted at 30.09.08 02:22:34 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 50) : Letgo, I love this piece. If you concentrate on eliminating some of the more obvious mistakes by being not so hot under the collar, you will be taken more seriously. Now people are going to attack you purely on some of those mistakes.

    If you want to you can contact me at [email protected] , for I would love to ask you a question or two.

  • Comment 53, posted at 30.09.08 05:32:41 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • Letgo, where can one get their hands on these stats?

  • Comment 54, posted at 30.09.08 07:22:19 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 54) : PVR :smile:

  • Comment 55, posted at 30.09.08 07:33:43 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 50) : @Baldrick (Comment 54) :

    Do you actually just sit with a note pad and pen and write down numbers or do you actually ENJOY the game like most of us? :wink:

  • Comment 56, posted at 30.09.08 07:38:32 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 52) : And do you watch the game 100 times afterwards to be able to remember the WHOLE game in such detail??? :shock: :shock: :wink:

  • Comment 57, posted at 30.09.08 07:39:43 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 51) :

    GEEZ…checking the time that you posted…do you SLEEP??? :shock:

    :grin:

  • Comment 58, posted at 30.09.08 07:42:06 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 50) : So why do players lose the ball on the ground :?:

  • Comment 59, posted at 30.09.08 07:56:53 by Charlie Reply

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 56) : @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 57) :

    Good morning…
    Like I said…it helps if you have PVR :sad: cos you can watch the game with beer in hand like the rest of us…sober up the following day, pause and rewind for the stats. That is if you have time in your hands.

  • Comment 60, posted at 30.09.08 08:00:11 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 58) : :shock: I was also still awake at that time.

  • Comment 61, posted at 30.09.08 08:02:39 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 60) : Or maybe buy those products to improve your memory…

  • Comment 62, posted at 30.09.08 08:04:04 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 60) :

    Morning…see you early at work …AGAIN.. :wink: But JBS…Is it really FUN that way?? :roll: Who actually wants to sit and record stats just to be able to sound knowlegable (if its not your job I must add)…maybe I am just a different type of person…my whole aim when I do something is to enjoy it and have fun…BUT…THATS Ice… :wink:

  • Comment 63, posted at 30.09.08 08:05:17 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 63) :

    And maybe there is people who find that kind of thing “fun”…

    WHAT were yu doing up that time of the morning?? :wink:

  • Comment 64, posted at 30.09.08 08:07:00 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • i am hoping for a cheetahs semi and a bulls final. the only two teams the sharks lost to this seaon are these two, so it will be good to beat them again and show they are true cc champs as they beat every team twice.

  • Comment 65, posted at 30.09.08 08:11:22 by try time Reply

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 63) : Early-bird :wink:

    I don’t think it’s for “sounding knowledgeable” I’cey… but rather to have a clearer view of things. When the game is happening live it’s easy to miss some crucial points due to the pace of the game.

    I don’t know if letgo actually remembers all of this from watching the game live or if it’s from watching footage later…but if I could record the games and note the stats later- I would too…just for fun. I used to do it back in the VCR days… :cry:

  • Comment 66, posted at 30.09.08 08:16:20 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 65) : I’ve thought about that too TT…but in the end I decided it will look and sound more poetic if we have to beat the Bulls ONCE, the Cheetahs TWICE and the Lions THRICE. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 67, posted at 30.09.08 08:19:05 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 66) :

    Okay…not “sounding” ….”being”…

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Okay….maybe i am just not a stats fanatic…to me its just numbers….maybe I should do a Lean Green Belt project on rugby stats and save the Union some money … :twisted:

  • Comment 68, posted at 30.09.08 08:20:28 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 68) : The score is just numbers too…but I bet you watch that closely…. :mrgreen:

    I agree, it’s not for everyone…for most people the most visible parts of the game are enough.

  • Comment 69, posted at 30.09.08 08:36:45 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 69) :

    And some ‘visible” parts are real good…look at our latest find to join the team… :mrgreen:

    And I will admit…I do enjoy it WAY more if the ‘numbers’ are in our favour! :wink:

  • Comment 70, posted at 30.09.08 08:40:09 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 50) : well well well letgo, i must give you kudos. you keep quiet for a long time, but when you make an appearance you take no prisoners. thank goodness it is not me that is at the end of your beating stick this time. you are in the fortunate position to have stats that does help make the picture clearer. but what stats don’t tell is when player mistakes were made. there is a big difference between a missed tackle in your own twenty two and a missed tackle in the oppositions for instance. frans bad knock on was in the oppositions 22 when we were looking good for a try. he also decided to crash ball instead of distributing in try setup positions. so stats don’t tell the full truth. one last example is how can you compare a player passing a caught ball in the open thats gets passed to a player in a better position, to a pass in the oppositions half that leads to a try. so just as rob went on on field performance, and you went on stats the truth is in between. but i do agree on certain points, adi was bad. i have always said he isn’t a starting player. he is far more effective off the bench. as for frans, a few of us expect a lot more from the guy and are probably disappointed when he doesn’t deliver. he makes no secret of what he wants, so if he wants it he must prove he deserves it. brad never made a scene about where he wanted to play, he just got the job done. frans seems to have unsettled the team by his demands so we expect him to make up for this with stellar performances. he hasn’t quite shown yet what we know he can do, and we don’t know how much longer we can wait. so yes frans isn’t the worst centre around as your stats have shown, but definately isn’t in wynands current class yet (and that hurts me to say).

  • Comment 71, posted at 30.09.08 08:43:31 by try time Reply

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 70) : :lol: I guess he gets the crucial I’ce stamp of approval.

  • Comment 72, posted at 30.09.08 08:44:47 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 9) :

    Then again you glass was half empty in 07 and 08 when the sharks made the play-off’s consecutively… but I take your points :wink:

  • Comment 73, posted at 30.09.08 08:46:32 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 67) : blackshark that is poetic, but justice needs to be served for last years debauchery of a result. so it has to be the bulls in durban again without steve walsh.

  • Comment 74, posted at 30.09.08 08:47:49 by try time Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 50) :

    It’s a substandard comp… no need to get so riled up…

  • Comment 75, posted at 30.09.08 08:49:31 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 71) : Is he even demanding to play at centre ?

  • Comment 76, posted at 30.09.08 08:49:41 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 75) :

    But I like your style… stats speak volumes in my books…

  • Comment 77, posted at 30.09.08 08:51:13 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 74) : Whoever, wherever…bring it on…

  • Comment 78, posted at 30.09.08 08:54:07 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 72) :

    I’d say.. :grin:

  • Comment 79, posted at 30.09.08 08:58:17 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 50) : wow – awesome comment. Remember, I have never had any issue with anyone disagreeing with what I write as long as they back up their views and are at least a little bit respectful, considering the effort that goes into running this site in the first place. So with that in mind, well done.

    Your stats are far too detailed and accurate for you to have collected all of them yourself (no offence intended, but I doubt you really are committed enough to watch each match on slow mo for 5 hours) which makes you my new best friend, because it means that you are close enough to Clinton Isaacs (or someone else) that you can get the official stats. It’s an absolute goldmine and if you are able to get hold of that info every week, I would really love you to write match reports for us!

    Again, asking me which match I watched, I watched the same one you did, although I was focused far more on effectiveness, rather than statistics. The latter can be a deceiving measurement of how well individuals actually play… would you not agree, if you allow yourself to step back from the numbers just a little, that the Sharks team put in a pretty substandard performance on the day? Go watch the first half again – pay particular attention to the scoreline at half time and again at 60 minutes.

    One stat I will challenge you on – there were definitely far more than one wild pass thrown out on the day. Go back to your video and you’ll count at least 5 in the first half alone.

  • Comment 80, posted at 30.09.08 09:03:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) :

    Thats why I ALWAYS agree with everything Rob says…I can never back up my views or show respect… :twisted:

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 58) :

    :lol:

  • Comment 82, posted at 30.09.08 09:14:20 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 76) : yes, when plumtree was interviewed two weeks ago about the drop goal, he said that frans said he doesn’t need to be at fullback to kick over drop goals, he could do it from inside centre. it obviously referred to a discussion held between the two over where he should be. nevermind the numerous other articles posted on this issue. at least ruan is open and humble about where he wants to play. frans seems more forceful.

  • Comment 83, posted at 30.09.08 09:27:36 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) : I can try to get you connected with Clinton Isaacs…he’s a friend of a friend… :wink:

  • Comment 84, posted at 30.09.08 09:28:02 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 83) : “I could do it from inside centre” >>> That seems more forceful? :mrgreen: Perhaps he just meant he could do it from all over the park. The last time I checked he wanted flyhalf …

  • Comment 85, posted at 30.09.08 09:34:15 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 84) : oh, really

  • Comment 86, posted at 30.09.08 09:35:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 81) : :lol:

  • Comment 87, posted at 30.09.08 09:39:31 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 50) :

    good one Letgo, someone needed to put things into perspective, especially as far as Steyn is concerned…

    @robdylan (Comment 80) :

    Rob, watching the last couple of games its been clear that Frans has been a lot quieter than usual…I got the impression that he’s taken criticism of his selfish play on board and is making an effort to change and redefine his role in the team… lets hope it all comes together for the last two games

  • Comment 88, posted at 30.09.08 09:41:42 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 84) : actually, my comment was inappropriate and pretty close to slanderous… I made it sound as though Clinton Isaacs hands out the official match stats to anyone who’s close enough to him, which I’m sure he does not do. I’m just very interested (as are all of us) to understand where Letgo’s stats come from.

  • Comment 89, posted at 30.09.08 09:49:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 88) : we can hope.

  • Comment 90, posted at 30.09.08 09:50:09 by try time Reply

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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 88) : at the end of the day, my only real problem is the special treatment Frans gets… whether this is perceived or not, I don’t know, but I get the feeling that other players would be sent back to club rugby to get their game sorted out.

    You guys should know that I don’t have personal issues with Sharks players, as long as they are doing right by the team. I just don’t have that feeling about Frans right now. I hope that changes soon.

  • Comment 91, posted at 30.09.08 09:51:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) : agreed. my sentiments exactly. there are vibes and rumours (although rumours are dangerous) that his old man meddles a lot. these are probably not true but it hurts his image. it also doesn’t look good when the backline doesn’t look as steady when he plays than when he doesn’t. the sharks backline on paper should be invincible, but it hasn’t been firing all year. when you compare the backline to the forwards there definately seems to be stability in our forwards, hence the forwards dominating the try scoring. i just want to see the backline working as a team. whoever is guilty needs to leave his ego at the gate. on this topic i have been hard on jp, yet i am pleased to see he is back. well done jp lets hope you keep the flame burning. keep up the good work.

    oh and rob another way for you to get the stats is write scathing reports every monday and wait for letgo to correct you. :wink:

  • Comment 92, posted at 30.09.08 10:08:44 by try time Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 51) : I don’t want to interfere with anything now and I know the team is completely focused on the next 3 weeks. Maybe it would be nice to catch up with JB after the end of the season… hopefully he’ll be in the UK on tour with the Boks.

    If you could get him to agree in principle and maybe get me his email address or cell number, that would be cool for now.

  • Comment 93, posted at 30.09.08 10:17:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) :

    dont you think Plumtree has a handle on how to deal fairly with his players?… i imagine he does.

    @try time (Comment 92) :
    you say rumours are dangerous and then continue to spread them…

    here’s something for the gossipers, found on keo…
    Once upon a time an old man spread rumors that his neighbor
    was a thief. As a result, the young man was arrested. Days later the
    young man was proven innocent. After been released he sued the old man
    for wrongly accusing him.

    In court the old man told the Judge: “They were just
    comments, didn’t harm anyone.”

    The judge, before passing sentence on the case, told the
    old man: “Write all the things you said about him in a piece of paper.
    Cut them up and on the way home, throw the pieces of paper out.
    Tomorrow, come back to hear the sentence.”

    Next day, the judge told the old man: “Before receiving the
    sentence, you will have to go out and gather all the pieces of paper
    that you threw out yesterday.”

    The old man said: “I can’t do that! The wind spread them
    and I won’t know where to find them.”

    The judge then replied: “The same way, simple comments may
    destroy the honor of a man to such an extent that one is not able to fix
    it. If you can’t speak well of someone, rather don’t say anything.

    “Let’s all be masters of our mouths, so that we won’t be
    slaves of our words “

  • Comment 94, posted at 30.09.08 10:30:06 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 94) : thanks spyker as i hit submit i reread and went doh. teaches me for rushing. so yes ignore that as i did say it probably isn’t true. :oops:

  • Comment 95, posted at 30.09.08 10:31:35 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 95) : well – I am just as guilty as the next man, I suppose.

    OK, fine… from now on, I will not say anything about Frans that I do not know to be an absolute, incontrovertible fact.

  • Comment 96, posted at 30.09.08 10:42:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 94) : i would hate to be in plumtree’s shoes. he is sitting with so much talent and only fifteen spots. it is hard to keep all the players happy and content. brad and bj have already got contracts out, and if we lose frans, rory or ruan we could seriously be on the back foot next year if we get injuries. i would hate his job. he has a cc to win, but also has to keep his backup players happy so that when brad and fred leave these players are ready to do the team proud. i think his current policy of giving frans starting berth and ruan the last twenty at flyhalf is brilliant. frans gets valuable game time at 12, and ruan gets time to decide if he wants flyhalf.

  • Comment 97, posted at 30.09.08 10:43:26 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : I know what you mean… I just thought we could get somewhere if we asked, in a PROFESSIONAL manner off course.

  • Comment 98, posted at 30.09.08 10:45:49 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) :
    good boy :roll: yea, right :lol:

  • Comment 99, posted at 30.09.08 10:48:04 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) : No matter which way I look at it…I don’t see Frans as Club Rugby material. Does that make me a Steyn-lover? :???: :grin:

    What special treatment dude? The guy is moved around more than a knight on a chessboard…is that the special treatment?

  • Comment 100, posted at 30.09.08 10:52:06 by just blackshark Reply

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  • What ever happened to wes…waiting for WP to qualify for the semi’s???

  • Comment 101, posted at 30.09.08 10:58:58 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 94) :

    What a beautiful story…. :wink: Have you guys heard the rumour about… :twisted: :twisted:

    Pulling your leg Uncle Nails! :wink:

  • Comment 102, posted at 30.09.08 10:59:42 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 101) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: JBS – now THAT is funny!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 103, posted at 30.09.08 11:00:09 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 100) : since brad confirmed he is leaving frans has been given the 12 jersey to prove he is able to do the job. so his chessboard moves have mainly happened in the boks and thats not plums fault.

  • Comment 104, posted at 30.09.08 11:08:36 by try time Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 100) : he is making a LOT of mistakes… it is my opinion that other players get dropped for making far fewer mistakes.

  • Comment 105, posted at 30.09.08 11:09:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 102) :

    hi spICE, you wicked girl :wink:
    i read recently that most rugby bloggers, like lawers, should be buried 30 metres underground… apparently they’re really nice deep down

  • Comment 106, posted at 30.09.08 11:12:17 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 106) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 107, posted at 30.09.08 11:15:31 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 106) : VERY wicked!

  • Comment 108, posted at 30.09.08 11:25:25 by klempie Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 104) : Yeah…he’s played at 12 for 3 games in a row so he his game should be picking up to what we expect of him.

    No excuses…he has the ability to deliver more than what he is giving us now…but I feel he’s still contributing to the Sharks…

  • Comment 109, posted at 30.09.08 11:27:28 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 108) :

    What would you know! :roll:
    :twisted:

  • Comment 110, posted at 30.09.08 11:28:36 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 105) : Dropped to the bench or to club rugby? :smile:

  • Comment 111, posted at 30.09.08 11:28:36 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @spykerbaard (Comment 106) : It’s our passion for the GAME and in my case for the SHARKS and the BOKS that make us the way we are. Yes we always find fault, but it’s because we care and only want the best

  • Comment 112, posted at 30.09.08 11:34:51 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 105) :

    Who? for instance?

  • Comment 113, posted at 30.09.08 11:38:20 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 112) : Jeez, reading my own post again I feel like crying…o so soppy :mrgreen:

  • Comment 114, posted at 30.09.08 11:40:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 114) :

    Phew!!! :???: I am glad YOU made a comment about that soggy statement FIRST… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 115, posted at 30.09.08 11:45:02 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 114) :
    have a good cry, no one will know :lol:

    @Pokkel (Comment 112) :
    of course, very occasionally,we bloggers just like the sound of our own voice

  • Comment 116, posted at 30.09.08 11:55:11 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 105) :
    @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 113) :

    We dont mind it if your opinion differ from others….as long as you back it up …. :twisted:

  • Comment 117, posted at 30.09.08 11:58:13 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • and, of course, our one eyed opinions dont make us look like pricks :mrgreen: never! :roll:

  • Comment 118, posted at 30.09.08 11:59:09 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 111) : where’s Riaan Swanepoel now? Wes Bodmer? Chris Jordaan? All playing club rugby and they have collectively made fewer mistakes in all the games they played than Frans has just in the last 3 weeks.

  • Comment 119, posted at 30.09.08 11:59:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 114) : @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 115) :

    Ha ha ha …worry not Pokkel…we all go through the same emotions now and then…

    don’t mean to sound like a shrienk but all emotional contracts have a certain degree of dysfunctionality now and then…the whole love-hate thing is natural.

  • Comment 120, posted at 30.09.08 12:06:20 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 120) : Like my eternal hate for Steve Walsh and annoyance at Frans Steyn( read Super 14 final 2007 ) :roll:

  • Comment 121, posted at 30.09.08 12:09:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 119) : Oh…those kids :mrgreen: …I’m expecting them to start competing for places soon but right now we really can’t accommodate them. We have Boks on the bench for Pete’s sake.

  • Comment 122, posted at 30.09.08 12:10:53 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 119) : but can they drop 60m :?:

  • Comment 123, posted at 30.09.08 12:17:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 122) : @Pokkel (Comment 123) :

    You gonna get Rob in a knot! :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 124, posted at 30.09.08 12:19:39 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 122) : I care very little for reputation and past form… handsome is as handsome does :)

  • Comment 125, posted at 30.09.08 12:21:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 123) : probably not… but how many of the outrageous shots that he’s lined up has he actually converted this season? I’d be surprised if it’s more than 2

  • Comment 126, posted at 30.09.08 12:23:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 126) : He only has 3 points this season…

  • Comment 127, posted at 30.09.08 12:26:21 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 124) : Hey I had 2 cancelled appoinment, might as well use the time wisely :roll:

  • Comment 128, posted at 30.09.08 12:26:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 124) : he he he , he fell for it… and this coming from someone who is not a Frans Steyn fan at all(me that is) :evil:

  • Comment 129, posted at 30.09.08 12:28:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 125) : Complete the following sentence… :mrgreen:

    Form is temporary…

  • Comment 130, posted at 30.09.08 12:29:49 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 129) :

    The man is determined to make people see he’s view….he does not even see the holes…!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 131) :

    a dog with a bone

  • Comment 132, posted at 30.09.08 12:43:40 by spykerbaard Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 130) : … and Steyn is overrated? :)

  • Comment 133, posted at 30.09.08 12:44:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 133) : :lol:

  • Comment 134, posted at 30.09.08 12:47:54 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 134) : I’m just trying to annoy you now…

    you going to KP on Sat?

  • Comment 135, posted at 30.09.08 12:56:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hands up everyone who likes Lays chips! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 136, posted at 30.09.08 12:58:37 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 135) : It’s working… :twisted:

    Yeah sure…I hope the weather will be decent…we’ve been having some funny weather lately…

  • Comment 137, posted at 30.09.08 13:01:58 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 137) : I’m really hoping for a solid team performance with the minimum of fuss… and no injuries

  • Comment 138, posted at 30.09.08 13:04:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 123) : or kick two poor kicks in a row to lose a s14 final. with some help from a kiwi friend.

  • Comment 139, posted at 30.09.08 13:08:21 by try time Reply

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  • Bath – Bath Rugby are understood to have agreed terms on a new three-year contract with Butch James which will keep the South African Rugby World Cup-winning flyhalf with the club for the remainder of his career.

    James, who helped to steer Bath to a 37-19, bonus-point win over Worcester last weekend which helped lift his team into second place behind Guinness Premiership leaders Sale, spent the summer on Test duty with the Springboks.

    When he arrived back at Bath, the 29-year-old made it clear he wanted to sort out his long-term future quickly with the Sharks waiting in the wings looking to lure him back to Super 14 rugby.

    When those talks started, James asked for a three-year contract and Bath had already made it clear they wanted the world-class stand-off tied down for the foreseeable future along with his compatriot and half-back partner Michael Claassens, who has already signed up until the end of the 2009/10 season.

    Bath have since offered James a three-year deal and it is understood that outline agreement has already been reached on terms, with confirmation expected from club and player before he joins up with South Africa for the Springboks’ northern hemisphere tour in November.

  • Comment 140, posted at 30.09.08 13:10:52 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 138) : yeah same. i’d like to see john start at tighthead with bis next to him. also give guys like brad and keegan someone game time in case we need them come playoffs.

  • Comment 141, posted at 30.09.08 13:11:08 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 138) : Cloudy with chances of rain…and wind…

    I hope the boys will still get the job done.

  • Comment 142, posted at 30.09.08 13:14:42 by just blackshark Reply

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  • oh and give odwa a day off as he has taken two bad knocks in two games. he may be needed at fullback, so keep him fresh.

  • Comment 143, posted at 30.09.08 13:15:00 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 139) : exactly why I agree with Rob :roll:

  • Comment 144, posted at 30.09.08 13:16:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 140) : Hey Durban Poison…

  • Comment 145, posted at 30.09.08 13:16:53 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 144) : yup, he blows hot and cold. can’t wait til he decides to blow like a berg wind. a comfortable warm.

  • Comment 146, posted at 30.09.08 13:19:03 by try time Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 144) : You guys need trauma counselling… :twisted:

  • Comment 147, posted at 30.09.08 13:19:29 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 140) : we don’t need old timer butch anymore, we have the almighty ruan.

  • Comment 148, posted at 30.09.08 13:20:28 by try time Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 147) : you can join us if he misses the tackle on habana that wins the 2008 cc for the bulls.

  • Comment 149, posted at 30.09.08 13:21:43 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 148) : cold…

  • Comment 150, posted at 30.09.08 13:22:11 by klempie Reply

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  • the best thing about saturday is the sharks will know exactly what is needed to stay top of the log as bulls play friday night. plenty of time for plum to make any adjustments.

  • Comment 151, posted at 30.09.08 13:23:32 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 148) :

    If they can convince him to dedicate himself to 10 and not through a wobbly and go play scrum-half with Butch….

  • Comment 152, posted at 30.09.08 13:23:55 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 147) : I’m not one to hold a grudge , but The 2007 Super 14 final was very traumatic for me :cry: and wheneve :evil: r Fransie touches the ball , I cringe and wonder if this is the “stroke of Genius Frans” or the “Brainfart Frans”

  • Comment 153, posted at 30.09.08 13:24:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 150) : you leave the sharks at your own peril.

  • Comment 154, posted at 30.09.08 13:24:33 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 149) : Definitely…

  • Comment 155, posted at 30.09.08 13:26:10 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 154) : lol

  • Comment 156, posted at 30.09.08 13:26:25 by klempie Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 152) : i have actually been impressed at how ruan has handled the pressure on him to play fly half. in the last two games he has actually stabilised the backline when he played flyhalf. especially on saturday against the lions, the backline looked far more solid when he moved to ten. hopefully by feb next year he will love the position.

  • Comment 157, posted at 30.09.08 13:27:15 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 149) : The councellor better have lots of really potent prescription drugs :evil:

  • Comment 158, posted at 30.09.08 13:29:04 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 153) : Traumatic indeed :cry: …right up there with the “Zulu-Donald” moment. I guess the S14 felt worse cos I at the stadium…and well the wounds are still kinda fresh. We all know the mistakes Steyn made in the final moments of that game but there were other mistakes in the 85 minutes…so maybe we shouldn’t make him the poster boy for that defeat.

    I hope winning the CC will help us move on… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 159, posted at 30.09.08 13:33:31 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 157) : all they need to do is pick him at 9, then make sure Fred “mysteriously” has to go off injured five minutes into every match

  • Comment 160, posted at 30.09.08 13:34:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 159) : problem is, unless we’ve learned from those mistakes (and I actually mean unless FRANS has learned from those mistakes) the same thing is going to happen all over again on 25 October.

  • Comment 161, posted at 30.09.08 13:36:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 160) : Good plan…we can do with one less sub in every match…

  • Comment 162, posted at 30.09.08 13:36:37 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 159) : :cry: :cry: :cry: but all he had to do was kick the $#$^%^^%$ ball out :cry: :cry: :cry: Where is that bloody councellor

  • Comment 163, posted at 30.09.08 13:37:54 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 161) : I think if faced with a similar situation he’ll back-heel the ball to touch… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 164, posted at 30.09.08 13:39:48 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 163) : Let it all out…it’s part of the healing process…

    All Walsh had to do was blow the whistle…but he didn’t either…

    A series of unfortunate events…

  • Comment 165, posted at 30.09.08 13:41:40 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 163) : breathe in – breathe out…

  • Comment 166, posted at 30.09.08 13:42:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 164) : will he? Or will he try an outrageous drop-goal from inside his 22 this time, because a Frans Steyn-inspired win is more important than a regulation win…?

  • Comment 167, posted at 30.09.08 13:43:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 167) : I enjoyed that Frans Steyn touch in the RWC final…so maybe he might wanna add another personal touch…

    You guys are actually making me feel so much better… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 168, posted at 30.09.08 13:47:00 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 158) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 169, posted at 30.09.08 13:47:57 by try time Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 165) : I am healing , but if something similar happens this year in the final there will be more damage than ever. I would rather lose comprehensively in a Final than have to face a situation like that again.GO SHARKS. Anycase now that everybody thinks I’m a nutcase, I really feel this is the Sharks year. They beat the FS (1st time in 5 years) The Lions ( first time in 12 years at Cocaine Park ) and the Bulls at home and they should now be mentally ready to take the cup

  • Comment 170, posted at 30.09.08 13:48:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 166) : It’s lovely to vent where nobody knows you :wink:

  • Comment 171, posted at 30.09.08 13:54:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 164) : habana will then run around him scoop the ball up and score…

  • Comment 172, posted at 30.09.08 13:55:30 by try time Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 170) : At this stage last year I knew the Cheetahs were gonna take the Cup, regardless of who they faced in the Final. This year I feel the same way about the Sharks and I won’t throw any sand to my fire because of stuff that happened in the past. My honest opinion is we’re going to win the Currie Cup. I’ll face the music if I have to…and life will go on.

    Fear stinks…we need to get it out of our systems before the crucial games. SHARKS forever!

  • Comment 173, posted at 30.09.08 13:56:47 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 172) : I trying go heal here….be nice :shock:

  • Comment 174, posted at 30.09.08 13:58:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • maybe ksa can help us here as my comment brings up an interesting point. what happens if the hooter for full time goes, the player kicks the ball out to end the game, but an opposition player catches and throws in before the ref blows for full time, does the play go on? in my opinion yes as quick throws are allowed.

  • Comment 175, posted at 30.09.08 13:58:47 by try time Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 171) : I know you :)

  • Comment 176, posted at 30.09.08 14:00:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 173) : It would be lovely for the Sharks faithfull if they can bring home some silverware this year

  • Comment 177, posted at 30.09.08 14:00:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 175) : correct – but the ref should not allow it

  • Comment 178, posted at 30.09.08 14:01:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 176) : Now Rob , let’s not get ugly. I only let you in because this is your site :wink:

  • Comment 179, posted at 30.09.08 14:01:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 177) :

    NOT *IF*….*WHEN*…. :cool:

  • Comment 180, posted at 30.09.08 14:03:33 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 180) : So n bek moet Jam kry :wink:

  • Comment 181, posted at 30.09.08 14:04:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • and is fulltime when the second toot is blown. as the first toot is to say game stopped, like any other time during the game. so the a ref that blows long endings could end up helping a team out. because as long as he gets that ball in before the second toot starts it is game on.

  • Comment 182, posted at 30.09.08 14:04:45 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 178) : unless it is the sharks that take the quick throw in.

  • Comment 183, posted at 30.09.08 14:05:28 by try time Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 179) :

    Yeah….”considering the effort that goes into running this site in the first place.”…. :twisted:

  • Comment 184, posted at 30.09.08 14:05:29 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 184) : he he

  • Comment 185, posted at 30.09.08 14:16:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 182) : Interesting…but i suppose the ref would stop the move…unless his initials are SW. :evil:

  • Comment 186, posted at 30.09.08 14:26:10 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 186) : didn’t know SharksWorld had a ref. unless ksa counts.

  • Comment 187, posted at 30.09.08 14:35:25 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 187) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 188, posted at 30.09.08 14:40:48 by just blackshark Reply

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  • It’s so fun to keep everyone in suspense, where do I get the stats from. I must say I don’t feel like telling you after all that Super 14 final talk, I’m to bruised to get over that or talk about it, I need a couple more years or that trophy.

    Rob sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t have connections where I get the stats and I didn’t exactly spend five hours finding these stats myself.
    After watching the game on Saturday and enjoying it very much by the way I’ce just like every other Sharks fan, I read Rob’s article and since I didn’t think the Sharks played that badly and neither Frans nor Adi lost that many balls in the contact I decided to watch the game again. I PVR all the games and then put most of the Sharks games on DVD as well.

    Finding all this stats on my own, I can promise you would have taken way more than 5 hours, but luckily It’s vacation and I have a family of six, so with pen and paper in hand I gave the orders to all my helpers and so we basically got all our stats by just watching the game again.

    I did this same thing with a Sharks vs Cheetaks CC game officiated by Willie Roos last year, but instead I just judged his desicions. The results was horrifying and not only against the Sharks, but both ways.
    I do this for my own amusement when I have time. And right now I have tons of it.

    If I had a choice rugby would be all I do 24/7, I don’t want to use the word addict, but I think it borders very close to it.

  • Comment 189, posted at 30.09.08 16:57:07 by Letgo Reply
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  • Rob I will see what I can accomplish for you with Jacques, I already have his sell no. but I don’t think he’d like it if I just start passing it around. :wink:
    I don’t think he’ll have a problem though, if he doesn’t skip work tomorrow I’ll have some info for you soon.

  • Comment 190, posted at 30.09.08 17:01:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 189) : I’ll gladly pay the costs if you wouldn’t mind sending me copies of the Sharks games you have on DVD.

    Also, I’d seriously like you to consider writing us a regular match report once you’ve compiled all your stats. It could give a fascinating insight that the regular fan wouldn’t otherwise have.

  • Comment 191, posted at 30.09.08 17:08:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob I also just want to add to all my stats and figures that not only in the first half, but also large parts of the second half the Sharks had a pretty average game. I just don’t think you could attribute our overall bad play to a couple of individual mistakes players made. This is just my personal opinion, but I believe our biggest concern should be our effectiveness at the breakdown, especially in the first half.
    The quality of ball received by our backs was at times atrocious and this might be a big contributing factor to Fred’s woeful day at the pivot.
    I just don’t think we have a problem with our backline. Every time these guys get half a chance we score or get very close to scoring, and although I have no stats to back this up I believe we are the only team that can run the ball from anywhere on the field to score a try.
    These guys have talent and an eye to spot the gaps. They just need good possession or a moment of weakness in the opposition’s defense and they’re through, as they proved again on Friday. Sure Rose made the blunders, but we used those opportunities, not all teams can do that and that must prove something.

    The fact is, I don’t think anyone would disagree, that you need to make the hard yards and do the work up front before you can achieve anything with your backs and in the first half especially we didn’t do that. We just flung the ball straight to the wing, instead of giving the ball to Jean to soften up our opponents. And that’s where the mistakes starts to come in and balls get thrown all over the place.

    I just think our substandard performance is much more simple to fix than you made it seem. I also believe Plumtree has it all under control and he knows what he is doing. I also believe we will fix these problems before it is to late. He already improved that part of our play, I think he just needs to tweak it until near perfection (because no one is perfect) and then…well then I will be ready to put my heart on the line again.

  • Comment 192, posted at 30.09.08 17:24:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 191) : I would absolutely love to do that.

  • Comment 193, posted at 30.09.08 17:27:10 by Letgo Reply
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  • Oh and I can make you copies of the Sharks DVD’s and all I’ll need is cost price. I’m not trying to make a business out of it or anything. :grin:

  • Comment 194, posted at 30.09.08 17:28:42 by Letgo Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 58) : I don’t sleep much actually.

  • Comment 195, posted at 30.09.08 17:30:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • Have to agree with Letgo about Barritt – I think he gets way too much sympathy, and maybe Frans would be a bigger asset to both the Sharks and the Boks if he had been allowed to settle at 12 earlier, instead of accomodating Brad.

  • Comment 196, posted at 30.09.08 17:32:38 by Big Fish (Norman Jordaan is a LEGEND) Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Norman Jordaan is a LEGEND) (Comment 196) : Thanks, nice to have some support in that area.

  • Comment 197, posted at 30.09.08 17:38:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Norman Jordaan is a LEGEND) (Comment 196) : but isn’t that what has happened. frans has been given the 12 jersey. i don’t think brad gets sympathy i think it is more respect. most fans enjoy the player that stays out of the limelight nd does his job. except province supporters.

  • Comment 199, posted at 30.09.08 18:52:51 by try time Reply

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    @try time (Comment 199) :
    I first heard about Brad when he was still at Kearsney. Mates of mine were talking about a centre who tackled like de Wet Barry at his best, while also kicking at poles,and being a pretty smart operator.

    Later on I found out that when he missed making the SA U19 squad, apparently partly due to a lack of pace, he engaged a professional sprint coach to work on his speed.

    I had a lot of respect for Brad, and I still do. At the end of the day however, he has had a pretty good run at 12, and has not set the world alight. Like with Waylon Murray, maybe some of that is due to player mismanagement this year.

    Be that as it may, I do think that Frans deserved a starting berth at 12 this year based on what he showed at the WC. Both he and Ruan are stuffed around too much.

    He remains a very individualistic player who needs to learn to trust those outside him, but maybe steady gametime in one position will help him, as it did JPP.

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  • @Big Fish (Norman Jordaan is a LEGEND) (Comment 200) : i agree. but had he accepted fullback like all the coaches hoped he would, he would have got the game time in one position. his insistence on playing one of two positions already covered made him his own worst enemy. so i will not blame the coaches for frans stubborness. they have silverware to try and win and they have to do what they see fit. brads decision to leave has obviously opened the door for him so lets hope the guy puts quality where his mouth is.

    as for ruan, he hasn’t been as vocal about where he wants to play. unlike frans he has excelled wherever he has been put in the backline. hence guys like rob and i don’t give the guy the shit we give frans. ruan is a team man and as much as he wants to play scrumhalf he has recently shown us he will play at 100% at flyhalf to. where ruan though lucked out was when he got injured in the s14 and rory showed he was a better exponent of the elv’s than ruan was at scrumhalf. so the coaches had to go with the better player. having said that ruan has shown in the last 3 months what a brilliant player he is with the little extra room flyhalf offers. and i am pleased to see he is open enough to give the position a go. would beast be the player he is had he stayed at loosie? sometimes coaches know better than players. as i said on monday my dream team would have the 3 r’s working well together ryan, rory and ruan. this combo has proven in the last three games to be impressive and stabilising on the backline.

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