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Cheetahs “loan-a-thon” comes back to bite them


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Currie Cup, In the news on 1 Oct 2008 at 11:25
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The Currie Cup competition received an extra serving of spice as it headed into the home straight this week, when Western Province lodged a complaint against fierce rivals the Cheetahs over the use of utility back Hennie Daniller.

Jan de Koning writes for Rugby365.

In what appears to be a ‘tit for tat’ move over the Wellington mud bath debacle last week, WP officials are now seeking that points be deducted from the Cheetahs which would allow Province to advance to the play-offs.

The WP complaint – backed up by a similar complaint from the South Western Districts Eagles – relates to the fact that Daniller played for the Cheetahs against the Falcons on a Friday night and the Griffons against the Eagles the following day.

The two unions content that this is an abuse of the loan system in which Currie Cup (Premier Division) teams can make available players to First Division teams.

Although Daniller is indeed allowed to play for both teams – as the South African Rugby Union (SARU) President’s Council have ruled that the Currie Cup and First Division are two separate competitions – it is the frequency with which players are allowed to move between these teams that are now a bone of contention.

As a result WP have asked that the Cheetahs be docked points for “illegal” use of a player and similarly the Eagles have asked that the Griffons be stripped of the points they earned when using the player.

In both cases it will have far-reaching affects.

The Cheetahs and Western Province are in a race for a place in the Currie Cup semifinals and a single bonus point could make the difference between reaching the play-offs and watching from the sidelines.

Should the Cheetahs be docked the five points they earned for beating the Falcons, they will drop back into fifth place and leave WP needing just a single bonus point from their final league match against the Lions on Saturday to advance … at the expense of the Cheetahs.

The Eagles and Griffons have been locked in a battle for a top-two finish in the First Division, which carries with it the chance to play in a promotion/relegation series to advance to the Currie Cup (Premier Division) next year.

Should the Griffons be docked points, the Eagles will advance to the promotion/relegation series.

As it is, the eagles and Griffons face each other in the First Division semifinal this coming weekend, although that result will have no bearing on which team advances to the promotion/relegation series. That is why the Eagles are so keen to have the points taken away from the Griffons.

In the case of Province, it is not just about the semifinals, but also pay-back for the Cheetahs, who complained bitterly when WP officials tried to move their game against Boland Cavaliers from Wellington to Newlands last week.

The Cheetahs insisted that the proper protocol and regulations be followed, which resulted in the game being played in the Wellington mud bath and as a result WP failed to get a much needed bonus point, which would have given them an edge in the play-off race.

Now Province officials are turning to the law book to ensure the Cheetahs get their own back.

SARU Chief Executive Johan Prinsloo has confirmed that the matter was receiving “urgent” attention.

SARU’s legal department have requested a response from the Cheetahs, which they hope to receive on Wednesday – after which a ruling will be made.



58 Comments

  • rob bringing the chat to the relevant article.

    i agree, or you let the smaller unions play in another league where they have partnerships with the big unions. so the top six unions in the country play it out for the cc and spots in s14. the smaller unions then get the youngsters from the bigger unions to give them game time and keep them match fit. the academies will benefit, the smaller unions will benefit and ultimately player depth in sa will be kept healthy.

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.10.08 12:43:14 by try time Reply
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  • This is what I call a late tackle :shock:

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.10.08 12:44:19 by Ragged Reply
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  • Does it really help the smaller unions if they don’t develop their own players? Or doesn’t it matter?

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.10.08 12:44:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ragged (Comment 2) : Classic :-)

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.10.08 12:45:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • by dropping the comp to 6 teams you also take 4 games out of the top players schedule making it easier on them. and the four games can be worked around the boks so that the cc will have boks in it for 90% the time. the pros far out weigh the cons.

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.10.08 12:54:55 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : the players coming from the bigger unions are better coached and can pass on knowledge to the unions that have part time coaches.

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.10.08 12:56:05 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : and currently the gap between 1st division and cc is expanding. getting some professional players into the 1st division can only improve the quality.

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.10.08 13:02:01 by try time Reply

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  • we are talking about a match against the the weakest team in the competition… we are also talking about a “nobody “player my appologies to Mr and Mrs Daniller; but your boy has not lived up to his promise he showed as a juniour. His impact on the game was about the same as my fart in the bath last night had on global warming…. and now you WP guys wonder why your team is loathed . Talk about desperation. I supose if you cannot do it on the field then you amy as well try the boardroom!

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.10.08 13:15:09 by Ragged Reply

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  • Surely they wont deduct all the points….did THAT ONE player really make THAT big a dofference in those games…
    Did it really give both those teams 5 log point advantage….

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.10.08 13:15:46 by Hmmm Reply

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  • I’d even doubt he was the difference in the bonus point being scored or not…

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.10.08 13:16:30 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Financial fine yes….but log points!???!

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.10.08 13:17:42 by Hmmm Reply

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  • WP fearing that they are going to lose this weekend!??!

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.10.08 13:18:06 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 5) : RSA is a big country…with lots of talent spread throughout the different regions. 6 teams will not do us any justice.

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.10.08 13:23:17 by just blackshark Reply

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  • I doubt anything will come of this. At worst probaly just the symbolic wrap over the knuckles.

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.10.08 13:28:06 by McLovin Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 13) : the three minnows in the cc are also not doing us justice.

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.10.08 13:41:04 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 15) : :shock: I didn’t know you were a Province supporter

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.10.08 13:44:31 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 16) : yeah and your mom is wynand olivier.

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.10.08 13:57:08 by try time Reply

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  • I dont think WeePee have much of a case but I do have sympathy for SWD. I mean it is the professional era and if they can through on own steam it will make a hell of a differense to them. Is it fair for them to play vs a Cheaters B team in purple clothing?

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.10.08 14:15:56 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Can’t get the points on the field where they should be getting them now they try getting them in the boardroom :roll:

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.10.08 14:32:57 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • That’s what happens with you mess with the Cape Cabal.

    But it does smack of pettiness, i for one would be immensely disappointed if this how we make the semi’s – i am looking forward to smacking the Lions by 19 points

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.10.08 14:33:28 by Sauce Reply
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  • @Sauce (Comment 20) :

    Not gonna happen Sauce :grin:

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.10.08 14:37:43 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 21) : In the Cape we are optimists, it helps with an excuse for drinking copious amounts of beer when it doesn’t go to plan :grin:

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.10.08 14:41:37 by Sauce Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 18) : in that case is it fair that wp and sharks lose games cos the boks used our players? the argument is almost the same. we should ask saru to give us a point for every bok they took. then the sharks would definately be top of the log and wp get would make it through to the semis.

    i am all for the bigger unions loaning players. there must be nothing worse as a player training every week but never getting game time. if eagles cannot make good partnership deals with the bigger unions then they mustn’t whine cos other teams can.

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.10.08 14:48:16 by try time Reply

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  • @Sauce (Comment 22) :

    Always a good place to be optimistic :cool:

    Hey if Province pull it off then they deserve to go through.

    Besides Province stand a way better chance of winning the CC than the Lions do..it pains me to say that.

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.10.08 14:52:51 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 24) :

    Yea the Lions always seem to be nearly there but they never get there. Unlike Province who always seem to miss out because they failed to score four ties….S14 this year, Currie Cup last year i think as well.

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.10.08 14:58:21 by Sauce Reply
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  • And it didn’t pain me to say it either :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.10.08 14:58:45 by Sauce Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 23) :

    Dont agree on SWD. George is a bit away from the big ones, like EP or border.

    Think the thing that bodders SWD & WeePee is not the fact that the Griffins played with a Cheater player, more to do with one player playing on one weekend for two provinces.

    Trust me it will go for sweetall. Harold Verster is way too long the Cheaters head cheater.

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.10.08 15:02:41 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • He played for the Cheetahs first…so they didn’t break the rules.
    The guys who played him the following day might be the ones who have to answer some questions.

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.10.08 15:04:17 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 18) :
    PaarlBok but what about the flyhalves that Province loaned to Boland and SWD earlier in the CC, very much the same thing really.

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.10.08 15:08:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 27) : yeah but what unions are near the sharks? yet sharks players can be found at griffons and valke. plans can be made.

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.10.08 15:10:39 by try time Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 27) : and is over playing a player an advantage? i don’t see any advantage here. he has been playing for the griffons all season so why is it now a problem cos he played a little for the cheetahs. unions have called up u21 players before to sit on the bench, where is the difference?

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.10.08 15:14:48 by try time Reply

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  • @Sauce (Comment 26) :

    :lol:

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.10.08 15:16:12 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 29) : That one bite us. Dollie & Croy were needed when Grant went to the Bokke & genl de Wall got injured.

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.10.08 15:16:55 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 31) : Not about advantage or disadvantage, maybe the system is wrong. Cheaters playing in purple jerseys.

    Must remember Phil Pretorius is on his way out with the SWD and want to leave on a high.

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.10.08 15:19:47 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • this whole thing just smells of wp panicking because they promised sponsors a spot in the playoffs and they failed to deliver. don’t drag other teams down because you fell asleep in two easy games.

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.10.08 15:20:32 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 30) :

    Think Rob had this one in the past and we discussed it. Not good for the province club players. Vokkit where is the day when the jersey count for something even if you plays for NWK.

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.10.08 15:21:20 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 33) :
    Thats right, hell how long has De Waal been out for, it seems like forever?

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.10.08 15:21:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 34) : i agree the whole rugby structure in sa is problematic, and everything is linked. the only real way to fix it is to have an overhaul and as long these small unions have equal votes in saru, nothing will improve.

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.10.08 15:23:50 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 35) : Broer trust me WeePee ahd full houses all season and I am pretty sure they’ll get one on saturday.

    Maybe this mud disaster hakkel Helgaard and Fox Verster worked on their tits and they want to play dirty.

    Blame Keo for this. :???:

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.10.08 15:24:01 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 36) : when money was offered to the players.

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.10.08 15:24:45 by try time Reply

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  • Still think thats exactly where the Kiwis have a moerse advantage on us. Central contracts and giving players a bit more fair to where they belong. Also give the national coach more of a say over this burn out shite.

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.10.08 15:26:39 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • I just fail to see the point of a Griffons team full of Cheetahs or a Valke team full of Sharks and Bulls…

    Why not just shut down these useless bloody minnow teams that accomplish absolutely nothing yet have absurd amounts of power? If there are surplus players, operate a provincial B-team competition at the same time as the Currie Cup

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.10.08 15:27:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 39) : personally i feel wp should be in the semis as they did sacrifice for the boks. same as sharks deserve a couple more points as they had a half a team in the bok camp. but as we know in rugby the right thing doesn’t always happen.

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.10.08 15:27:55 by try time Reply

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  • Geez look at the poll’s…nobody seems to think Double-U-P can do it…

    Poll
    What will the result be in the final game of the season, WP v Lions in Cape Town?

    Province by 19 with BP – 4.11%
    Province by 19 with no BP – 0.00%
    Province by less than 19 with BP – 2.74%
    Province by less than 19 with no BP – 17.81%
    Lions to win! – 75.34%
    Total Votes: 73

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.10.08 15:29:43 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : no the unions need to be kept, but they have less voting power in saru. the big unions “development or b” team will play against these unions in two seperate divisions (under cc). we cannot get rid of these unions as you then narrow the pool of players available in sa more.

  • Comment 45, posted at 01.10.08 15:32:32 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 45) : nah – you won’t narrow the pool, because you’ll still have as many strong schools and you’ll fix the club structure

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.10.08 15:37:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 43) :

    To be honest I think only Double You Pie able to upset the Sharks or Brutes in a away semi. Cheaters and Welpies dont have that as we saw over the last couple of weeks losing at home.

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.10.08 15:37:29 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 41) : i agree with you here. the top 60 players in the country are owned by the boks and loaned out to the union that supplied them and if that union is sitting with two top players in a position the extra player gets given to the union that doesn’t have a player in that position. so we won’t have the situation where rory or ruan have to sit on the bench. it also means the unions now have money to develop new players because they don’t have to cover the costs of players not playing because they are with the boks. it also means players aren’t burnt out because the boks will manage them better as they pay their contracts.

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.10.08 15:38:07 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : if they wanted to fix the club structure it would have already been done. it has no link to the competitions. the unions don’t really care about clubs as they have there own development programs they pump money into.

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.10.08 15:40:57 by try time Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 47) :

    Disagree….the LIONS stood up in the scrums (gave a all bok front row a lot of drama)…did better in the lineouts with their 3rd and 4th locks (against an all bok 2nd row)…looked great on attack….conceded less turnovers….broke more tackles…so I don’t think the LIONS are incapable….
    The WP could not score 4 tries at Boland and they had the better conditions of all the big unions…

    Yes Earl had a bad game….and yes most probably the single worst game of a flyhalf if you tally up all the mistakes (missing 4 kicks at goal…2 misjudged kicks that resulted in against the play tries…trying to play hero with 2 unmarked players on his outside)…and those differences were much much less than the difference on the score board….

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.10.08 15:50:20 by Hmmm Reply

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  • But Earl has delivered great performances and he has found some pride in his game…and I can guarantee you he will come out a different player this Saturday…

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.10.08 15:51:02 by Hmmm Reply

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  • And as has happened in the past (as recent as last year)…against all odds the “less likely” two teams of the 4 semi finalists went through to the finals…and if not mistaken both were away wins too…

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.10.08 15:53:06 by Hmmm Reply

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  • WP could only beat a Cheetahs team that were very poor on the day away from home…so I don’t see how you think they are the only ones capable….

    They even struggled against ALL the minnows away from home…losing 2 and winning the other without a bonus point…

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.10.08 15:54:39 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Who let Hmmmmmm lose??? :twisted: :roll:

  • Comment 54, posted at 01.10.08 15:57:15 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 51) : Will be bru Earls big day on Newlands, he’ll get a mouthfull from the South Stand after WeePee scores. :cool:

  • Comment 55, posted at 01.10.08 15:59:30 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 53) : Hmmmmmm a Valie? Hmmmm making the somme before the real rugby started. :roll:

  • Comment 56, posted at 01.10.08 16:01:33 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 56) :

    Always been….

  • Comment 57, posted at 01.10.08 16:06:33 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Not making any somme….just stating the obvious…

    You had a start studded WP side this last weekend…in better conditions than any other big union…and you still struggled away from home…

  • Comment 58, posted at 01.10.08 16:07:09 by Hmmm Reply

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