Coetzee, de Villiers not bothered

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, In the news on 2 Oct 2008 at 09:30
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Speaking at the Western Province press conference coach Allistair Coetzee admitted that he was unaware of any details concerning the Hennie Daniller saga that has made all the headlines on Wednesday.

Daniller, who is currently on loan at the Griffins, is in the middle of a controversy which has seen the SWD Eagles lodge a formal complaint with SA Rugby after the utility backline player played for both his home union and his loan team in the same weekend.

Initial feelings seem to be that, technically at least, the Cheetahs have not broken any rules, with the Currie Cup and the first division currently considered different entities completely, but SA Rugby had confirmed that they were looking into the matter.

Coetzee though says he has been far to busy preparing his team for their big match-up this weekend and says he is definitely not expecting any points deductions or punishments for the Cheetahs.

“I heard about it but I don’t know the nuts and bolts of the issue,” said Coetzee.

The coach said, as far as he was aware: “if a player is on loan from a union you can take him back whenever you want to.

“I don’t even know about it.”

Coetzee did say though that if there was anything to be noticed or persuade it was definitely for the “team management side”, and not something he would be worrying about.

Province captain Jean De Villiers also said he was unaware of what the whole story was but that ultimately these things were up to the games head administrators.

“What’s the ruling from SA Rugby’s point of view? Are you allowed to do it? Yes or no?”, asked the Springbok star.


  • The latest
    Cape Town – The SA Rugby Union will on Thursday launch a thorough investigation into allegations that the loan system for players has been abused in dealings between Free State and the Griffons.

    Saru will investigate documents “pertaining to a complaint that the Griffons and the Free State Cheetahs made use of ineligible players in the Currie Cup and Absa Cup competitions,” according to a Saru statement released on Wednesday.

    If it is found that a prima facie case exists, a judicial official will be appointed.

    According to the statement, the complaint stems from the way the Cheetahs and the Griffons employed Hennie Daniller, Jandré Blom and Jacques-Louis Potgieter.

    All three were first selected for the Cheetahs but they then went to the Griffons before returning to play for the Cheetahs.

    SWD Eagles president Stag Cronjé says his union will go to court to ensure the Griffons forfeit league points.

    “If the decision is not in our favour we will appeal,” Cronjé said on Wednesday. “We’ll go to court if it is necessary. It is obvious that league points should be deducted from the Griffons and the Cheetahs.”

    Western Province, who are involved in a race with the Cheetahs and the Lions for a place in the Currie Cup semifinals, are watching developments closely.

    It has been said the actions were legal because the Currie Cup and the Absa Cup are different competitions, but this is being disputed.

    Action must be taken

    If it is found that Saru’s regulations were contravened, the Griffons and the Cheetahs could be warned or fined, or they may forfeit league points.

    Deducting league points is the suitable punishment, says Theuns Roodman, chief executive of the WP Rugby Union.

    “If there were contraventions, action must be taken. Both teams should then lose points,” Roodman said on Wednesday.

    Cronjé feels the Griffons should forfeit the league points they earned in their 26-19 victory over the Eagles last week, when Daniller was in their team.

    If that happens, the Eagles will be in line for a playoff for promotion to next year’s Currie Cup competition.

    “We have already been disadvantaged because if we finished second we would have had a home semifinal,” Cronjé said.

    However, the opportunity to play for promotion is the main issue. “It is my priority to take SWD up (into the Currie Cup competition). I can’t merely let these things pass.”

    Pieter Jordaan reports from Bloemfontein that the Free State coaching staff are not losing any sleep over the matter.

    “We took a good look at the regulations before the start of the season,” chief coach Naka Drotské said.

    The Free Staters maintain their team manager, Helgard Müller, received written approval of the loan agreement from Christo Ferreira, chief of legal affairs at Saru, on July 3.

    “I don’t think anything will come of it,” Drotské said.


    Stephen Nel reports that according to legal opinion no doubt exists that the Cheetahs and the Griffons have intentionally contravened the relevant rule regarding the loan system for players.

    Several arguments could be advanced for league points to be deducted from both teams, a lawyer said on Wednesday.

    Legal opinion was sought from Erasmus Inc Attorneys over allegations that the loan system had been abused in dealings between the Cheetahs and their neighbouring union, the Griffons.

    Hennie Daniller played for both teams last weekend and the SWD Eagles have lodged an official complaint with the SA Rugby Union.

    According to the Saru database, Daniller was in the Cheetahs squad of 22 for a match against Griquas in Kimberley on June 20.

    He then played in four matches for the Griffons and turned out for both the Cheetahs and the Griffons last weekend. Now he has been selected for the Cheetahs squad for the Currie Cup match against Boland on Saturday.

    Cheetahs administrators argue that the Currie Cup Premier and First-Division sections are different competitions.

    Daniller, Jandré Blom, Jacques-Louis Potgieter, Hendrik Meyer and Ashley Johnson have alternated between the Cheetahs and the Griffons. The Cheetahs feel this is not a contravention of the regulations.

    However, Frikkie Erasmus, of Erasmus Inc Attorneys, feels the Premier and First-Division sections are in the same competition.

    To substantiate his point, he referred to a 2006 High Court case in which Christo Ferreira, SA Rugby’s manager of legal affairs, argued in a statement that teams played “in two sections in the Currie Cup competition”.

    “It is ridiculous to argue that the Premier and the First Division are different competitions when they are in reality two sections of the same competition,” Erasmus said.

  • Comment 1, posted at 02.10.08 09:41:36 by PaarlBok Reply
    PaarlBokCurrie Cup player
  • If the Cheetahs lose log points due to this I’ll eat my shirt. I reckon a warning at best. Maybe a fine…

  • Comment 2, posted at 02.10.08 09:44:07 by McLovin Reply
    McLovinAssistant coach
  • Last bid attempt at being petty, let it go and just klap the Lions by 19 points and all will be fine.

  • Comment 3, posted at 02.10.08 09:54:12 by Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire SauceCurrie Cup player
  • WP’s so desperate, first they needed their Boks back, now this… :roll:

  • Comment 4, posted at 02.10.08 10:05:53 by Charlie Reply

    CharlieSuper Rugby player
  • Bollocks…

  • Comment 5, posted at 02.10.08 10:26:55 by just blackshark Reply

    blackshark - I'm back!Super Rugby player
  • Uhm…

    As far as I can read WP has not done anything but is only watching development closely as it would obviously benefit them.

    SWD is kicking up a storm.

  • Comment 6, posted at 02.10.08 10:29:41 by MorneN Reply
    MornéTeam captain
  • They should just give SWD the OK to play in place of the Valke. George a much better venue to Brakpan. Charlise Theron have left a long time ago. :cool:

  • Comment 7, posted at 02.10.08 10:42:13 by PaarlBok Reply

    PaarlBokCurrie Cup player
  • Smacks of Titus and co stirring…

  • Comment 8, posted at 02.10.08 10:47:39 by bryce_in_oz Reply

    bryce_in_ozCurrie Cup player
  • @MorneN (Comment 6) :
    Chances are good that Rassie was just having a cappuccino with his old mate Anton Leonard when Stag Cronje also just happened to drop by for a slice of pizza and they all got talking and…………..
    You must admit that this as well as the “mud-bath swap” last weekend does have a bit of Rassies shenanigans about them. Having said that I’m sure he actually has sweet F-all to do with any of it. I think he’s too busy concocting a medical condition to keep Sir Eli Naq in the country until the Super 14 starts.

  • Comment 9, posted at 02.10.08 11:16:16 by Salmonoid Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
  • Just deserts for the cheetahs and their petty whining over the weekend. Those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Has there ever been a more art occasion to use that phrase?

  • Comment 10, posted at 02.10.08 17:37:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
    VinChainSawTeam captain

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