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Equip Jean now as RWC capt


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 6 Oct 2008 at 23:11

Jean de Villiers’s upbringing as captain of the South African rugby team for the 2011 World Cup tournament should start in Britain next month, says former Springbok centre Robbie Fleck.

Stephen Nell writes in Die Burger that unlike some other experts, Fleck believes the strongest possible Springbok team should be sent on the three-Test tour in November.

“Why should the players be rested? We should establish confidence in the team and win every match,” Fleck said here on Monday.

“If we can achieve that, it can be another successful year, under the coaching of Peter de Villiers.”

Part of the planning for the 2011 World Cup in New Zealand should be to prepare Jean de Villiers to take over from John Smit, who captained South Africa to victory in last year’s tournament in France, Fleck believes.

Smit is expected to retire after the Test series against the British and Irish Lions next year.

“Jean has been a brilliant WP en Stormers captain,” Fleck said. “He has certainly staked his claim to captain the Boks after the Smit era.

“I would appoint him as vice-captain now. He is becoming one of the best centres that South Africa has had. There have been questions about his defence but he has eradicated them. He is undoubtedly the SA player of the year.”

No equal at present

Fleck said he had watched De Villiers well again last weekend and “none of the other centres, Jaque Fourie included, was in his league. He has no equal at present. I am immensely impressed by him, on and off the field.”

Fleck is not worried about the amount of rugby that De Villiers has played this year.

“He has missed a lot of rugby because of injuries. We must keep playing him. He has great confidence and is in a zone now where Brian O’Driscoll and Tana Umaga were at some time during their career. He should exhibit it at the highest level.”

Peter Jooste, convener of the national selectors, made it clear on Monday that the strongest available team would be sent to play Scotland, Wales and England.

“Peter de Villiers is establishing a new playing pattern and style. The seniors and the young players must get accustomed to it,” Jooste said.

“All the players who were part of our initial plans for the year will be considered. We will look at that squad first and then elsewhere to supplement the group. If players have done consistently well in the Currie Cup competition we will discuss them.”

Jooste expects a squad of 28 or 30 to be announced after the Currie Cup final on October 25.

“I cannot think that a watered-down squad will be chosen. Can you imagine the reaction if we lose Test matches as a result? We know who our best young players are. We should build momentum,” he said.



53 Comments

  • What the hell have you guys done to the real lunchbox?

    This is way to sensible a thought to come from Fleck.

    I agree with both principals of the article.
    Take the BOKS to the UK, not the wannabes. Build confidence.
    Make JdV VC behind John and groom him to take over when John retires.

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.10.08 23:23:42 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • What about Victor? :-)

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.10.08 08:07:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    :grrrr:

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.10.08 08:10:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Ahhh the legend speaks the truth, Matfield should be lucky to get a place in the starting line-up

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.10.08 08:35:01 by Sauce Reply
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  • @Sauce (Comment 4) : Legend?????? You surely must be joking :mad:

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.10.08 08:48:13 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Nothing against Jean de Villiers, but twice in the past year he has been unable to inspire his Bok laden side to beat the “lowly” Lions by a margin that would enable his team to progress to the business end of the respective competitions.

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.10.08 09:27:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 6) : must say, I agree… I reckon de Villiers’ captaincy skills are a little overrated

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.10.08 09:50:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Bok captain in waiting, whether that be JdV or whoever should be made vice captain now. Big Vic’s going to retire after the Lions anyway not?

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.10.08 09:55:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 5) :

    Only guy in the world who may actually become a legend for being called a legend when he isn’t :razz:

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.10.08 10:06:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) : I feel the same way about Werner Greef :roll:

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.10.08 10:20:04 by Pokkel Reply
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  • LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.10.08 11:23:58 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 11) :

    Who?

    Greef or Fleck?

    Probably neither. :razz:

    Fleck was on the receiving end of a legendary tackle though just as he thought he was going to score a try. :mrgreen: :razz: :lol:

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.10.08 11:42:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Leaving the stadium after the Sharks / Boland game in Wellington the other day I walked past Deon Kayser talking to group of youngsters. It immediately set my mind wondering to what memories he will always have of that same field he was now standing outside of.
    In case your memories have waned here is a quick reminder-

    http://rugbydump.blogspot.com/2008/01/friday-funnies-deon-kayser-chases-down.html

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.10.08 11:42:58 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 13) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    That’s the one!!!!!!!!!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.10.08 11:50:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Yeah I agree it was funny. Doesn’t change his legend status…

    Although he was a fantastic player his legendary status is bestowed on him thanks to his personality and attitude as much as for his playing ability.

    Which rugby player hasn’t done something stupid?

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.10.08 12:27:10 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 15) : Mark Andrews

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.10.08 12:34:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hello all you ppl. :mrgreen: John Smit can go play overseas or he can retire For all I care!!!!.

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.10.08 12:39:18 by Reds Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) :

    Yeah I suppose you’re right. But then again you actually need to run with the ball to do anything stupid. :wink:

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.10.08 12:39:58 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Reds (Comment 17) : I take it you didn’t watch the game this weekend?

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.10.08 12:47:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 18) :

    Or NOT run with the ball in Flecks case :razz:

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.10.08 12:54:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 20) :

    lol.

    Robbie Fleck 31 tests 10 tries.
    Mark Andrews 77 tests 12 tries.

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.10.08 13:04:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 21) : Fleck was a centre and Andrews a lock…

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.10.08 13:12:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) :

    My centiments exactly… :neutral:

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.10.08 13:12:51 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 21) :

    LET’S put that in perspective though

    Robbie Fleck 31 tests 10 tries
    Jaque Fourie 39 tests 22 tries
    Jean Div 43 Tests 16 tries

    Mark Andrews 77 tests 12 tries
    Victor Matfield 77 tests 5 tries (shocking if you consider how much time he plays at wing)
    Bakkies Botha 52 tests 7 tries
    Kobus Wiese 18 Caps 1 try.

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.10.08 13:26:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) :

    Victor Matfield 77 tests 5 tries (shocking if you consider how much time he plays at wing) :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.10.08 13:28:16 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : and Eddie was a prop was he a legend? NOT! But Mark’s cousin was not as bad as Eddie. IMO Eddie was the most overated No.3 in SA rugby the luckiest person ( even more so than Fluke Whatsin) to be gifted a Bok cap.
    Flecks biggest obstacle was his insufferable ego.

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.10.08 13:32:26 by Ragged Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 13) :

    The text from the link posted by Salmo.

    This week’s Friday Funny comes from the Super 12 a few years back.

    Deon Kayser gets the better of former team mate Robbie Fleck after Fleckie broke through the line and was away for the try. Fleck casually strolls in, not realising that the rapid Kayser is right behind him.

    Kayser effected the tackle brilliantly, knocking the ball out of Flecks hands and causing him to nose dive into the turf, causing some people to coin the phrase, ‘The Fleck Flack’.

    Great chase by Kayser who always gave his best when playing for EP, the Sharks and the Boks.

    The lesson from this one – this is rugby and you have to put the ball down to score, as Fleck will keep telling himself when he wakes up with cold sweats thinking about this night after night.

    :lol:

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.10.08 13:37:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Hey Vic is doing a live chat on the BBRU site.

    Live Player Chat: Victor Matfield
    07 October 2008 (09:44)

    The Vodacom Blue Bulls’ captain Victor Matfield will be available on Tuesday between 16:00 and 16:30 for a live player chat.

    You are invited to bombard Victor with all kinds of rugby related questions but please keep your questions as short and clear as possible.

    Do you think they will publish ANY of my questions if I send them in?

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.10.08 14:20:16 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Ah the Legend.

    He is talking absolute horse @$#% however.

    But still a legend.

    Smit must remain captain.

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.10.08 14:22:32 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 29) :

    BUT that is what he is saying.

    He wants JdV to be Vice captain and as Smit will probably retire after the Lions tour, JdV can take over then.

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.10.08 14:25:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 29) :

    Ek stem Morne.. :wink:

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.10.08 14:26:01 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • Check nou…Luke Twatson is gonna be vice… :twisted:

  • Comment 32, posted at 07.10.08 14:27:10 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • I think Fleckie is even more of a legend than the like of Henry Honiball and Andre Joubert…

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.10.08 14:28:43 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 30) :

    I mean Smit to captain us to 2011.

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.10.08 14:29:30 by MorneN Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 33) :

    :shock: :shock:

    Bob? Boooooob? Booooooooooooob? Come out of there son, that stuff will fry your brains.

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.10.08 14:30:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 35) :

    Ja I agree KSA. Bob Skinstad is also more of a legend than those two mamparras…

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.10.08 14:30:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 34) :

    At 33 Years of age? I think he will be a little to old by then.

    We cannot use Os as an example of a player who can make the RWC at 35 he had a long break in the middle of his career and he only played a bit part in the RWC.

  • Comment 37, posted at 07.10.08 14:33:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 36) :

    :grin:

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.10.08 14:34:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 37) :

    A bit part?

    He played a hell of a lot of games over 4 years under Jake.

    Plus with all John’s recent suspensions and injuries he had some decent breaks in the last 2 years!

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.10.08 14:37:33 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 39) :

    None of John’s rest priods were two years long though :smile:

  • Comment 40, posted at 07.10.08 14:43:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 40) :

    Uhm, end 2006 when he klapped that Frenchie – was it 6 weeks? Then only S14 and he got injured in the 3N of 2007 and missed basically the whole thing.

    Then he got injured again in 2007 and missed the whole thing. If I remember he was injured for the Frogs too when he played there.

    All in all, I reckon he has been off for about a year now!

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.10.08 14:52:15 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 41) :

    Okay you have a point but I will not be surprised if he retires after the B&I Lions tour. and if he does then I would like to have someone other than Queen Victoria to be appointed Captain.

  • Comment 42, posted at 07.10.08 14:57:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 42) :

    I hope he does not.

    But if that happens then Juan Smith thanks very much.

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.10.08 15:03:14 by MorneN Reply
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  • Smit won;t retire after the Lions tour.

    But he will accept a two year from Bath or a French club or something to top up the retirement coffers.

    Don;t forget he has been tempted before.

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.10.08 15:17:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) : Jessie Jean 16 intercepts & Mossie got 22 from his distrubition.

    Must say both of them pretty impressive players. Hope they’ll be in top notch with AD at the end of the year.

  • Comment 45, posted at 07.10.08 15:46:45 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 45) :

    We certainly have the centers to bury the lions

    Adi
    Frans
    Jean
    Jaque

  • Comment 46, posted at 07.10.08 15:57:08 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 46) :

    3 solids and 1 wildcard there.

  • Comment 47, posted at 07.10.08 16:07:02 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 47) : bet I know which one is the wildcard

  • Comment 48, posted at 07.10.08 16:08:31 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 48) :

    Adi… :twisted: :wink:

  • Comment 49, posted at 07.10.08 16:13:00 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 49) : guess again :)

  • Comment 50, posted at 07.10.08 16:24:45 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 47) :
    Dont judge a man by his hair – you of all people should know that.

  • Comment 51, posted at 07.10.08 16:39:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 51) :

    Ooh, you cut me deep sunshine… :wink:

  • Comment 52, posted at 07.10.08 16:53:57 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • This is what the WP scribes write about after their team has made an early exit to the Currie Cup…..

  • Comment 53, posted at 07.10.08 16:59:04 by Dive Pass Reply

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