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‘If Luke plays we’re out’

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 20 Oct 2008 at 07:02

Up to half of the current Springbok squad are ready to withdraw from the end of year tour to England, Wales and Scotland should controversial flanker Luke Watson be chosen, a report has claimed.

News 24 reports that Afrikaans newspaper Sondag said that this message had been conveyed to SA Rugby and Springbok coach Peter de Villiers this past week after Watson had again been in the limelight for controversial comments about the Springbok jersey and Afrikaans-speaking people.

The newspaper claimed that players in Durban, Gauteng and Cape Town had confirmed that they were ready to withdraw if Watson was picked.

Senior players were so upset by the comments, and Watson’s influence on the team, that they had asked captain John Smit to deliver the message to Springbok coach Peter de Villiers in their meeting on Friday.

A separate meeting, between the South African Rugby Players Association’s Piet Heymans and acting SA Rugby managing director Andy Marinos was also said to contain a similar message on Watson.

The report quotes a senior Springbok who says Watson “does not belong in the side”.

The Springbok was alleged to have said: “The other players don’t want to play with him. They feel they can’t be open in a team environment with each other and are worried that what they say may get back to the politicians.”

Watson may not be chosen in any event, the newspaper added, as his form was not up to standard.

The newspaper also reported that coach De Villiers told a breakfast meeting in Pretoria on Thursday that Watson had broken the Springbok code of conduct.

“You don’t allow the actions of an individual to influence an entire team,” De Villiers was reported to have said.


  • Watson are getting the attention he wanted. :evil: :evil: :evil:

    Should they not choose him, he will become the perfect martyr. I say, instead of not choosing him, enlarge the group to 23, then ‘choose’ him. But use him as a message boy. “dra die naartjies aan” type of thing.

    Put him up by himself. Advise players to be very quiet around him. Respond to any allegations in the media with a tolerant little smile and these words only, ” You all know Luke by now. “

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.10.08 07:46:23 by Silver Fox Reply
    Silver FoxCurrie Cup player
  • @Silver Fox (Comment 1) :

    Nooit!!!!!!!!! I wouldn’t eat the Naartjies he has puked on. :mad:

    I do think they should just not pick him at S14 or Bok level and just say he isn’t good enough.

    No further debate needed IMO, if he doesn’t get picked he doesn’t get picked. You would just need rassie on board, but IMO after Luke’s comments THAT won’t be difficult. :wink:

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.10.08 07:55:12 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : Hey Boet, I also believe he should not be picked in SA in any team. Not even in a pre-school one.

    But I do believe the martyr part, unfortunately.

    Oh, and the ‘naartjie’ part was metaphorically speaking only. :evil:

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.10.08 08:03:37 by Silver Fox Reply
    Silver FoxCurrie Cup player
  • @Silver Fox (Comment 3) : I disagree. He has not made himself a martyr. No one looks at him as the saviour he so clearly aspires to become.

    He has become a divisive factor in SA rugby, quick to open his mouth and elevate himself into this uberstatus as the mouthpiece for the poor and downtrodden, but equally quick to run crying to daddy to fight his battles when he fires the first salvo using a catty against a nuclear device.

    As the great 007 would say, “I’ve got him in my sights, Miss Moneypenny” (or was that from Trainspotting?)

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.10.08 08:16:47 by Baldrick Reply
    BaldrickCurrie Cup player
  • Bok players… black, white, coloured, english, afrikaans, xhosa all united in the fact that a doos is a doos…

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.10.08 08:26:44 by bryce_in_oz Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : Rassie stated the other day Luke is going nowhere,meaninig he is still gonna be in the Stormers team :sad:

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.10.08 08:29:39 by PJLD Reply
    Clayton(PJLD)Team captain
  • @PJLD (Comment 6) :

    Maybe Rassie knows when his contract expires :wink:

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.10.08 08:36:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @Baldrick (Comment 4) :

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) :
    Quite right – don’t make our nauseous friend a martyr – drop him and cite (valid) rugby reasons.

    And personally, I don’t want the precedent of players sending ultimatums to management – everyone is replaceable.

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.10.08 08:38:01 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 8) :

    That precedent IS dangerous I agree, look at the undercurrents in the cricket side because of senior players with too much power.

    BUT. In this case I think it is a good thing becasue of the disruptive influence on the team. (Not sure if I would call my opinion objective though)

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.10.08 08:42:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Given the editorial nature of this site – i suggest the conditions are expanded to include any article involving the Watsons. Its CC final week – surely that should be the only content?

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.10.08 09:01:29 by Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire SauceCurrie Cup player
  • Luke is a nobhead .
    He must rather resort to parading his over sized head and ego in some other country far far away .
    Maybe could send him to the US and make him mayor of Pukeville .
    He could start a rugby side with all the other never was player to leave these shores . :smile:

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.10.08 09:03:48 by winnerg Reply

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  • @Sauce (Comment 10) :

    Sauce. He is from your team, why don’t you like him? :wink:

    I will certainly try my best NOT to post anymore Jersey Snatcher articles in the coming week. :smile:

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.10.08 09:05:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • I agree with Sauce. Let’s talk no more about Luke this week. He is hardly deserving of our attention

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.10.08 09:12:22 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 13) : Luke who? :twisted:

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.10.08 09:17:51 by McLovin Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 12) : Pleeease…

    The man is off form…why are we even associating him with a Bok jersey when there are so many loosies who are doing better than him?

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.10.08 09:23:31 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 14) :
    Look who’s not going to make the Bok side. :razz:

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.10.08 09:27:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @just blackshark (Comment 15) : exactly. Jean Deysel is bigger and better than Luke in any of the positions Luke plays… and he’s not even a recognised 6

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.10.08 09:35:09 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 15) :

    That didn’t stop him from snatching a few more jerseys during the earlier tests this year.

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.10.08 09:39:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 13) :

    I 4th that…

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.10.08 10:00:34 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Springbok boycott claims unfounded

    20 October 2008 (Posted: 16:26)

    Media are advised that reports that Springbok players have threatened to boycott the end-of-year tour if certain individuals are selected are completely untrue.
    “I met Peter de Villiers (Springbok coach) and John Smit (Springbok captain) on Friday and also had a meeting with SARPA (the South African Rugby Players’ Association),” said Andy Marinos, acting managing director of SA Rugby. “But these were scheduled operational meetings and at no time were any verbal or written threats made regarding selection.

    “All the speculation is utterly groundless.”

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.10.08 10:37:06 by Charlie Reply

    CharlieSuper Rugby player
  • @Charlie (Comment 20) :

    Charlie where have you been dude.

    The denial has already been refuted. :lol: you must keep up dude.

    Watson revolt a real threat
    2008-10-21 07:28

    Liam del Carme

    Johannesburg – The investigation into remarks allegedly made by Springbok loose forward Luke Watson is likely to be completed only on Wednesday.

    But despite an emphatic denial by SA Rugby, senior members of the national side are considering a boycott of the Springbok tour of Britain next month if Watson is included.

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.10.08 10:45:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : Busy, busy, as usual, but this was just for the uninformed, IMO I prefer the official statement and not thumb suck nor alleged puking :wink: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.10.08 10:55:16 by Charlie Reply

    CharlieSuper Rugby player
  • Sport
    Jake kom tot bekering, reik uit na Luke
    22/10/2008 07:25:33 AM – (SA)

    Kaapstad. – Die voormalige Springbok-afrigter Jake White het tot bekering gekom en is nou in dieselfde kerk as Luke Watson.

    White het gisteraand in ’n openhartige gesprek eksklusief aan Die Burger vertel hoe hy ’n Christen geword het en dat hy vir Wat­son jammer voel oor die storm wat om sy kop losgebars het.

    Hy het ’n versoenende houding ingeneem jeens die speler wat hom in die verlede gekritiseer het, en het selfs gesê hoe hy die ­situasie sou hanteer indien hy tans in Watson se skoene gestaan het.

    “Ek voel jammer vir Luke en toe ek hom nou die dag by die kerk (Hillsong) gesien het, het ek sy hand gaan skud,” het White gesê.

    “Ek voel vir hom en dis nie vir my om hom te oordeel nie. My raad aan hom sou wees dat ons in Suid-Afrika onderlinge respek vir mekaar moet hê.

    “Ek het twee seuns en indien een van hulle ’n fout maak, sal ek graag wil sien dat hy uitkom en om verskoning vra. Ons maak almal foute.”

    Watson is in die spervuur omdat hy vroeër vandeesmaand in ’n toespraak gesê het hy moes hom daarvan weerhou om op die Springbok-trui te braak.

    Na bewering het hy ook teen Afrikaners as “Dutchmen” uitgevaar, maar dit word nie deur ’n transkripsie van die toespraak gestaaf nie.

    White het onthul dat sy nuwe liefde, me. Lindy Taberer, ’n sleutelrol in sy bekering gespeel het.

    “Ek het haar ongeveer ses maande gelede ontmoet en dis rondom daardie tyd dat ek ’n Christen geword het. Ek is beslis nie skaam daaroor nie en is bly dat ek die lig gesien het,” het White gesê.

    “My lewe is nou heeltemal anders. Ek het ná die Wêreldbeker-toernooi in Frankryk besef daar moet ’n Groter Hand wees.

    “Ek het al die lof vir ons sukses gekry, maar die Here se hand was daar. Ek besef ek moet dankbaar wees dat ek só geseën is.

    “Ek het ook ’n vrou ontmoet wat ’n groot Christen is.”

    White het gesê sy lewe as Christen het hom met dankbaarheid vervul.

    “Jy sê skielik dankie vir die kelner wat jou kos bring.

    “Ons moet besef daar is ’n groter plan. Dit gee jou soveel rigting in die lewe.”

    White is veral in 2006 gekritiseer nadat hy Watson nie vir die Springbokke gekies het nie.

    Watson het daardie jaar in ’n onderhoud skerp teen White uitgevaar.

    Verlede jaar is Watson teen White se wil in ’n Springbok-oefengroep ingesluit.

    “Wat gebeur het, het gebeur. Ek het geen negatiewe gevoelens nie. Ek bedoel dit uit my hart uit,” het White gesê.

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.10.08 07:38:51 by Charlie Reply

    CharlieSuper Rugby player
  • And for those of us who battled with Afrikaans at school (I was at best an E student)???

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.10.08 08:19:51 by Baldrick Reply

    BaldrickCurrie Cup player
  • @Baldrick (Comment 24) :

    E as in English?

    In that Case I was an A student :smile:

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.10.08 08:22:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 25) : That makes me a Z student .. :oops: :grin:

    Now and then I attempt to translate Afrikaans articles to English using the Dutch option on Google Translate. The results are usually amusing…even to me… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.10.08 08:41:30 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 26) :


  • Comment 27, posted at 22.10.08 08:42:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @Charlie (Comment 23) :

    ‘Cheese ‘n rice’

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.10.08 08:46:15 by bryce_in_oz Reply

    bryce_in_ozCurrie Cup player
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 25) : I notice you didn’t even precise the article into English for me.

    No, I got Es and Fs for Afrikaans at school, only just managed to pass!

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.10.08 09:04:08 by Baldrick Reply

    BaldrickCurrie Cup player
  • @Baldrick (Comment 29) :

    precise???? What did you get for English? :smile:

    I am sticking to the request to steer clear of the Jersey Snatcher until the CC celebration has dies down. :wink: (So no translations or posts on him from me)

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.10.08 09:11:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • Baldrick, Blackshark – all you need to know is that it was an article that has missed its deadline by months – it should have been published on 1 April.

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.10.08 09:24:06 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Actually the article appears to have been published months in advance, the day and month are correct though, the year should be 2009.

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.10.08 09:30:18 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Frik Du Preez said in an interview yesterday that he doesn’t understand what all the fuss was about.

    He said that he and most other South Africans also felt like vomiting when they saw Luke in the Springbok jersey.

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.10.08 10:05:50 by PaarlBok Reply

    PaarlBokCurrie Cup player
  • ‘n groot Christen’ – So Jake likes the larger lady? :wink: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.10.08 10:08:27 by McLovin Reply

    McLovinAssistant coach
  • @Charlie (Comment 23) : Thats pretty interesting stuff. Must say thats one thing I’ll never understand about the Watsons who I believe are big Christians, myself also one but really thats all about forgiveness and their act is sooo unChristianlike on this. But nevermind, good on Jake for his act, if this is true.

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.10.08 10:15:54 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 33) : :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.10.08 10:23:37 by PJLD Reply
    Clayton(PJLD)Team captain
  • @PJLD (Comment 36) : Oh here you are? Pretty disappointing not part of the final fun. Etters. :roll:

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.10.08 10:33:33 by PaarlBok Reply

    PaarlBokCurrie Cup player
  • Ok. Enough about Luke now. That is official

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.10.08 20:22:28 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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