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And what about the Bok announcement?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 23 Oct 2008 at 10:19
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Let’s just turn our attention away from the Currie Cup Final for just a second and spend a little time discussing the all-important Bok tour squad announcement that will follow. Who will be there? Who won’t? What will the surprise “left-field” selection be? We know there’s always at least one…

The selectors have pretty much quashed all of our fun and ended a fair deal of speculation by announcing that most of the Bok Tri-Nations group will be selected again. This would, I imagine, leave the door only slightly ajar to any uncapped players, hoping to force their way in through good Currie Cup form. One or two of the established Boks have done very little to further their own reputations, though and could consider themselves lucky to earn a tour spot at this stage.

If I were picking the squad (of 30), this is how it would look right now.

Props

Beast Mtawarira is a must as first-choice loosehead. Jannie du Plessis and Brian Mujati are also pretty certain to tour as the tightheads, leaving one spot open, which will come down to a choice between Gurthrö Steenkamp and Heinke van der Merwe. I would take the Lions man along as my backup loosehead prop, as he’s had yet another superb season as anchor of a very strong pack. Players unlucky to miss out include Ross Geldenhuys and a rejuvenated Deon Carstens.

Hookers

John Smit and Bismarck du Plessis pick themselves, leaving just the third hooking berth up for grabs. Adriaan Strauss is the man in possession, with Schalk Brits having fallen way back in the pecking order. Given his talent and potential, though, my pick for the third spot would be Chilliboy Rallepelle, to take an opportunity to re-integrate him into the Bok setup with a view to him challenging du Plessis strongly once Smit retires in 2009. Willie Wepener is unlucky here, because he has been the form hooker in the Currie Cup, bar none.

Locks

Four spots up for grabs here and you can bet your life that Victor Matfield and Andries Bekker will occupy two of them. I’m not sure if Bakkies Botha will be fit to tour but if that is indeed the case, then he’s a shoe-in for the squad, even half-fit. To my mind, Johann Muller has done enough this Currie Cup to warrant inclusion. If Botha should fall out of the tour party, then Danie Rossouw should probably get the fourth lock berth. Outside of those candidates, there’s not really too much to choose from, unless you plan to gamble on a youngster like the Bulls’ Juandre Kruger or Steven Sykes of the Sharks. Albert van den Berg has retired from international rugby.

Loose Forwards

There’s only really one spot up for grabs here, assuming five loose forwards in the squad. Schalk Burger, Juan Smith and Ryan Kankowski must surely be the first-choice players, with Pierre Spies also certain to get the nod after his heroics in the final Tri-Nations game. Legitimate contenders here would have to include Baywatch Grobbelaar, Heinrich Brüssow, Jean Deysel, Jacques Botes and even Deon Stegmann. Sharks man Deysel gets the nod in my book, due to his good form and ability to do a job anywhere in the back row. Joining the “unlucky” list here is Keegan Daniel, who has had an absolutely sublime Currie Cup and offers unmatched value as an impact replacement.

Scrumhalves

Ricky Januarie, Fourie du Preez and Ruan Pienaar. All three are self-selecting. Rory Kockott and Janno Vermaak have both fallen way back in the pecking order after uninspiring Currie Cup campaigns. Bolla Conradie is just too old and slow now.

Flyhalves

There really aren’t any strong contenders here – even Peter Grant has looked average when put under real pressure. That said, I would pick the Province man as backup flyhalf, with Butch James the only legitimate option as a starting Bok flyhalf in Northern hemisphere conditions. Ruan Pienaar and Frans Steyn provide adequate cover within the squad.

Centres

Jean de Villiers and Adrian Jacobs are the men in possession at the moment, while Frans Steyn and Jacque Fourie are also must-haves in the squad. It’s bad news for Wynand Olivier, who probably deserves another look-in after a good Currie Cup, but four centres are more than enough.

Outside Backs

Five spots left, for the wing-cum-fullback brigade and plenty of guys putting up their hands. Bryan Habana, JP Pietersen and Conrad Jantjes really have to be there, leaving only two spots up for grabs. Jongi Nokwe and Tonderai Chavanga go head-to-head for the paceman berth and the Free Stater is clearly ahead on current form. The last spot has to go to a player who can do a job in the last line, if required. The temptation to pick Stefan Terblanche is strong but given his age, I would go with the ever-dependable Odwa Ndungane as the 30th member of the squad.

So what do you guys think? Do I have it spot-on, or would you pick a radically different squad?



64 Comments

  • ok, so for the record…

    Beast,Jannie,Mujati,Heinke
    John,Bis,Chilli
    Vic,Andries,Johann, Bakkies/PK
    Schalk,Juan,Kanko,Spies,Wolla
    Ricky,Fourie,Ruan
    Butch,PG
    JDV,Adi,Mossie,Fransie
    Habs,Jongi,JPP,Odwa,Jantjes

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.10.08 10:24:12 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • I think Earl Rose might still make it into the mix.

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.10.08 10:40:08 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 2) : as what? ;)

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.10.08 10:46:09 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • PdV has already indicated that he will not be selecting the overseas players – so Butch won’t play.

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.10.08 10:49:10 by Sauce Reply
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  • What i don’t get is Pietie div is a massive fan of Heinke but yet hasn’t given him a look in yet.

    Weird.

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.10.08 10:50:07 by PJLD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 3) : half time orange guy.

    find no fault in your team rob.

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.10.08 11:02:23 by knersboy Reply

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  • @Sauce (Comment 4) : oh has he? Didn’t know that…

    Leaves us needing a flyhalf…

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.10.08 11:03:15 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 5) : I reckon Saturday is really last-chance saloon for Good Throw. He’ll need to play a blinder, or he won’t get in

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.10.08 11:04:04 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • ummmh to change the subject

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.10.08 11:05:01 by Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 7) : Yea – could just be dogey written by the voldy bunch though….

    WTF? Happened to my image?

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.10.08 11:07:22 by Sauce Reply
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  • boks frocks. don’t even waste your time on these pansies. there is only one team, sharks. the rest are poefters.

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.10.08 11:08:31 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 11) : the boks will be filled again with a whole bunch of wp poefters that couldn’t even make the semis. good thing pdv isn’t loyal to wp, his selections don’t show it. players like januarie, de villiers, schalk, conradie will get called up yet the top players in these positions are playing tomorrow. go figure.

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.10.08 11:11:59 by try time Reply

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  • At least we wont have to read about the ommission of Brad Barrit again…

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.10.08 11:12:12 by MorneN Reply
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  • damn i was hoping it was friday :roll: , they will be playing saturday

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.10.08 11:12:43 by try time Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 13) : no he will be in the english squad.

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.10.08 11:13:57 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 1) :

    Beast,Jannie,Mujati,Heinke

    Pretty much spot on

    John,Bis,Chilli

    Strauss in for Chilli

    Vic,Andries,Johann, Bakkies/PK

    I got the same

    Schalk,Juan,Kanko,Spies,Wolla

    Wolla? Who is that? I think look to Baywatch

    Ricky,Fourie,Ruan

    Picks themselves

    Butch,PG

    Yeah, if Butch plays. Otherwise expect the Rose bolter

    JDV,Adi,Mossie,Fransie

    I reckon he will pick Frans as 10 back-up and not Rose with no Butch, and then include Meisiekind.

    Habs,Jongi,JPP,Odwa,Jantjes

    Yup

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.10.08 11:17:52 by MorneN Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 15) :

    Another Catt. No real loss.

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.10.08 11:18:27 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 16) : Meisiekind? Are you on crack ?

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.10.08 11:20:52 by Sauce Reply
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  • @Sauce (Comment 18) :

    I thought so for a very long time.

    It took me 6 games to admit he is playing decent rugby…

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.10.08 11:22:06 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 19) : With the return of JF, he doesn’t get a look in, JDV, FS, JF and AJ….unless he wants to tour so he can help Watson carry the bags

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.10.08 11:24:18 by Sauce Reply
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  • @Sauce (Comment 20) :

    I reckon Steyn will be the left-field inclusion for 10. As Grant has not really covered himself in glory in 2008

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.10.08 11:25:16 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 21) : Yea agreed. But Grant, Steyn and Pienaar as cover.

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.10.08 11:36:02 by Sauce Reply
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  • Hey MorneN
    Whats up with your hatchet job on Jean Deysel on that other site?

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.10.08 11:37:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 23) :

    Ag just peeing on some okes’ parade dude. That specific column is never to be taken seriously.

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.10.08 11:40:32 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 24) :

    I mean its no fun making fun of players not even in the final!

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.10.08 11:41:16 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Sauce (Comment 22) :

    I reckon PDV is faced with a difficult one.

    If Voldy is to be believed Butch wont play, which means Peter has to show his hand as to the next in line. I got a feeling he is going for Frans over Grant.

    Also, Ruan is still dof with his “I dont wanna play there” attitude.

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.10.08 11:42:40 by MorneN Reply
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  • Cool.

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.10.08 11:43:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Would go with Wepener for hooker, especially for NH. Pity BJ & CJ are gone, not overly impressed with Mujati though he does add oomph to WeePee light5. Might have had a look at one of the Lions’ locks, but are they not all injured.

    Baywatch has more than proven he at least deserves a chance and I’d even take Duane Vermeulen over Deysel. Deysel’s day will come, he’s still young.

    Won’t change much in the backline, except maybe adding Louis Ludik instead of Terblance/Ndungane/Nokwe/Chavanga.

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.10.08 11:43:48 by Namboer Reply

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  • Sharks team has been named

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.10.08 11:50:11 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Namboer (Comment 28) : Ag Deysel only gets a mention because he replaces Brad as Robs love child this season. :lol:

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.10.08 11:50:22 by Sauce Reply
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  • @Sauce (Comment 30) :

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.10.08 11:51:45 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Sauce (Comment 30) : hey!

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.10.08 12:11:59 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • Yes Jonnhy Park ? :evil:

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.10.08 12:13:57 by Sauce Reply
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  • @Sauce (Comment 30) : Reckoned as much, but still a mite disappointed. All the hype “weighing almost 200kgs, ball skills, faster than a freight train” and I watched, drooling in anticipation for another Dean Hall, and I’ve still to see the evidence!

    :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.10.08 12:18:27 by Namboer Reply

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  • @Namboer (Comment 34) : he’s not a wing, you know…

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.10.08 12:22:15 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @Namboer (Comment 28) : You’re right, though – I should have mentioned Vermeulen

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.10.08 12:22:39 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 36) : Indeed. Although truth be told your boy has impressed me Rob

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.10.08 12:28:12 by Sauce Reply
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  • Comment 38, posted at 23.10.08 12:30:33 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Go WeePee!) (Comment 35) : Yep, know he’s not a wing. Don’t care which player in what position gets do do it, but high time someone bumbs off George Smith or someone simlar like Hall did. Hall made a memorable tackle or two too, can’t remember on who though.

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.10.08 12:31:37 by Namboer Reply

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  • @Sauce (Comment 37) : gee, thanks! And he’s not really my boy. I swear, I was nowhere near the Northern Free State in mid 84… :)

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.10.08 12:31:58 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @Namboer (Comment 39) : well, if big-ass bump-offs are what you’re after, Deysel is your man.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.10.08 12:32:35 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 38) : nice avatar :) Did you make it yourself?

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.10.08 12:34:45 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • I’d take this 30

    Beast, Geldenhuys, Heinke, Jannie Dup
    Bismarck, Wepener, A Strauss
    Matfield, Andries, Bakkies, Franco vd Merwe
    Schalk, Juan, Kanko, Spies, Baywatch
    Fourie, Ruan, Ricky
    Grant, Morne Steyn
    JDV,Adi,Mossie,Fransie
    Habana,Nokwe,JPP,Ludik, Zane Kirchner

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.10.08 12:40:26 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 42) : Course lol. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.10.08 12:47:40 by klempie Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 43) : you want to leave out John Smit???? :shock:

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.10.08 12:50:03 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 45) :

    Weet nie hoe om dit in Ingils te se nie…LOL! Ja Rob, hy het sy tyd en kans gehad…nou is dit die jonger ouens se beurt!

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.10.08 12:55:50 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 46) : so who’s you skipper? The prick with the beard?

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.10.08 13:05:56 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 47) :

    No, he is lucky to make my side…he needs to lift his game.

    I’ll pick one of Juan/Kanko/JDV as the captain

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.10.08 13:09:01 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 47) : :lol:

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.10.08 13:09:19 by Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 1) : How many minutes of rugby have you actually seen Chilliboy play? I would pick Wepener

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.10.08 13:10:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 50) : he’s my bolter… one for the future

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.10.08 13:26:40 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • With James not going to be picked-if u believe the cape website that always is the first with the k*k sorry i mean news-f/h is going to be a problem.
    for what its worth
    F/b Jantjies
    Wings Habana Pietersen Nokwe odwa
    Centres De Villiers Jacobs Fourie Steyn-to cover both f/b and F/h
    F/h Grant(more hope than confidence)-(Steyn & Pienaar as cover)
    S/H Du Preez Pienaar Januarie
    8 Kanko and spies(cover 7 played his best test there)
    7 Burger
    6 smith Dysel
    Locks matfield botha-if fit Muller if not, Bekker & Pak
    f/r Beast duplessis Mujati(don’t rate but he will go) Carstens(my bolter)
    hooker Smit duplessis chili
    Maybe space for a loosie like Louw who I think will be great in the UK
    but what about watson? nah maybe not!!

    I know someone is going to pick up 6&7 are swapped but we are playing in the NH are they are a bit backward there

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.10.08 13:29:34 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 51) : So how many minutes have you seen him play :roll: . Springbok is not the time to pick people that is behind Kuun in the pecking order at the Bulls. And where in the pecking order is Kuun??

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.10.08 13:33:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 53) : nowhere. But the Bulls know nothing about talent anyway.

    I have seen Chilli play enough at age group level to know he’s got what it takes. I mean, it’s only the third hooker berth anyway. He won’t even get anywhere near the match 22

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.10.08 13:47:23 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • To be fair Kuun isn’t great…

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.10.08 13:49:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 55) : no – he really isn’t. He wouldn’t make the Wildebeest team

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.10.08 13:54:13 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 54) : I have nothing personal against Chilliboy…I just don’t know if he can play rugby at all, because I haven’t seen it.I’ll take your word for it though if you rate him :wink:

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.10.08 13:59:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 57) : well, he DID go to Boys’ High…

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.10.08 14:08:56 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 58) : Are you from Boys’ High?

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.10.08 14:24:32 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 59) : He are

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.10.08 14:29:01 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 60) : Ta.

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.10.08 15:08:19 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 59) : I am, yes. Matriculated a year before the great John Smit

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.10.08 15:55:26 by robdylan (Go Sharks!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Go Sharks!) (Comment 3) :

    The mascot…

    Ralepele has to be the most over-rated hooker in RSA… even Maku has been outplaying him…

  • Comment 63, posted at 24.10.08 07:51:27 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 63) : Rose is far too scary looking to be a mascot. You’re looking for cute and cuddly :-)

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