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‘Team dynamics behind decision’


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 27 Oct 2008 at 07:08

Team dynamics, and not the wishes of individuals, were behind the decision to select Ruan Pienaar and John Smit out of their usual positions for next month’s Springbok tour of Britain.

Liam Del Carme writes in Beeld that Smit, hooker and captain of the South African team that won the rugby World Cup last year, will play at tighthead prop and Pienaar, scrumhalf in the Sharks team that won the Currie Cup at the weekend, is the fist-choice flyhalf.

“You must understand the team dynamics, Springbok coach Peter de Villiers said at the weekend. “We have two brilliant hookers.”

Smit’s selection as a prop forward means he and Bismarck du Plessis will not have to compete for the hooker’s berth. Chiliboy Ralepelle is the other hooker in the team.

Smit has problems

SA Rugby’s decision not to consider players who are turning out for overseas clubs meant a replacement for CJ van der Linde had to be found.

Jannie du Plessis was considered not good enough but Brian Mujati, who had come off second best a few times this season, was included.

If Smit, who has some experience at tighthead prop, has problems, the Springboks could be in trouble.

De Villiers denied that room had to be made for Smit because the Springbok captain was unable to keep Bismarck du Plessis out of the starting lineup.

Pienaar has been handed the flyhalf jersey, the most important position in the team, even though he said earlier this year his future lay at scrumhalf.

De Villiers believes decisions of this nature can be taken only in team context.

Asked whether he had discussed the matter with Pienaar, the coach said he acted professionally and had done the necessary.

“It revolves around the dynamics of the team. Ruan is a brilliant player. He has good hands and feet and an eye for a gap. He is also our first choice goal kicker.”

Not in Training squad

The selection of Earl Rose as second-choice flyhalf has also drawn some criticism.

The Lions player produced some fine performances in Currie Cup rugby this year but also suffered embarrassing moments.

Western Province flyhalf Peter Grant, who was generally tipped to be included in the touring team, is one of those on the standby list.

Rose and Cheetahs flanker Heinrich Brüssow are the uncapped players in the squad.

Brüssow is the only player in the team who was not in the initial training squad of 48. “It (his inclusion) proves that good Currie Cup performances will be rewarded,” De Villiers said.

For all practical purposes, Brüssow takes the place of WP flank Luke Watson, who last week declared himself unavailable for selection.



72 Comments

  • This selection just seems stoopid. We have a couple of quality tighheads floating around – Jannie, BJ and CJ at a push but we role with a hooker hasn’t played in the position. Its boggling. Team dynamics or not.

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.10.08 08:57:22 by Sauce Reply
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  • @Sauce (Comment 1) : It’s just the EOYT… :roll:

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.10.08 09:01:43 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Sauce (Comment 1) : i think the move is brilliant, and if it works pdv will be hailed. this decision is as controversial as percy and os being brought back by jake white. if it works it will be a stroke of genius, if it fails it will be just another poor year end tour, which jake had plenty of.

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.10.08 09:03:41 by try time Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 2) : Anyway…the man is taking a gamble here…if this works out and we can have Smit at the next WC then I’ll call it a good idea. :smile:

    On the Earl Rose issue…a number of people were calling for him to be included a few weeks ago. He did have some uninspiring performances towards the end of the Lions season but who knows what he can do in the company of the best RSA players.

    We’ll beat these NH pretenders anyway… :grin:

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.10.08 09:05:46 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 4) : yeah if you had to choose between morne steyn, ruan pienaar, earl rose, peter grant. the choice is obvious. earl could work well as a super sub. and playing amongst top distributors will definately take the pressure off him. i am not his number one fan, but we don’t have much choice.

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.10.08 09:11:53 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 5) : maybe the choice isn’t that obvious to everyone. ruan is the best we have at the moment.

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.10.08 09:13:03 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 6) : Oh yes he is…thanks a lot PdV…this is good for The Sharks too.

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.10.08 09:18:34 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 6) :

    @just blackshark (Comment 7) :

    No he isn’t. Butch James is.

    Butch must be the worst case of “outta sight, outta mind” That ever hit SA rugby.

    I am not saying Butch must take us to the RWC 2011, but HE is the best we have at the moment.

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.10.08 09:21:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) : I am not saying Butch must take us to the RWC 2011

    He’s not…and that’s the major factor influencing the decision…
    We only have 2 years left to prepare the next team…

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.10.08 09:25:37 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 9) :

    No argument from me on that point, but to say RP is the best we have at the moment is not correct at all.

    This IS good for the future if it pays off.

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.10.08 09:28:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 7) : this is excellent for the sharks. john plumtree gets to see how they do without having to tarnish his record if it all goes wrong.

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.10.08 09:34:08 by try time Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 10) : Yeah I guess but Butch is out of my radar right now…and I’m assuming the coach’s as well…

    He’s served the country well but it was evident in the last couple of games that we need a new flyhalf. RP is the way to go…

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.10.08 09:34:20 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 10) : who would you say is the best?

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.10.08 09:35:27 by try time Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 12) : with you here. butch has said he is tired. so we need to find the new guy. no-one sticks out more than ruan. he was brilliant the few times he played ten this season. imagine how excellent he will be when he starts enjoying playing their.

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.10.08 09:38:06 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 13) :

    Butch is the best we have at the moment. I think that, that is not what you are asking though. :wink:

    Our best as I see them at the moment. (not on future potential)

    Butch
    Grant
    RP
    Morne Steyn
    Frans Steyn
    JLP
    Rose

    If we forget about Butch and want to look to the future AFTER the Lions tour then I would say pick Grant and RP now. You have one who is a flyhalf and hasn’t been given enough game time IMO and the other who has the ability to become one of our greats.

    Let the two of them play at 10 without somehow feeling that they are threatening each other and see which one comes out on top and pick him.

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.10.08 09:47:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) :

    It’s about winning the Lions tour first… then next phase can be building for 2011…

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.10.08 09:48:18 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 16) : Or we can do both at the same time… :wink:

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.10.08 09:50:53 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 16) :

    Then Butch should be the flyhalf.

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.10.08 09:51:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) : it is a tough decision. grant is solid but not brilliant. he doesn’t have a clever kick. pdv doesn’t have the luxury of time. he has a year left on his contract and he needs to show sa he has what it take to be a rwc coach. as i said above he has done what jake white did, taken a calculated gamble. if it works (and it should) he gets two more years.

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.10.08 09:58:37 by try time Reply

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  • morning fellow champs… feeling all right today? :)

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.10.08 10:02:53 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 20) : sore and tired. oh and no voice. i swore at kaplan far too much. why is it okay to tackle sharks players in the air, but not bulls players?

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.10.08 10:05:21 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 20) :

    Top o’ the mornin to ya

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.10.08 10:07:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 21) :

    I was more p’eed of that the Sharks didn’t get a try because the bulls flanks were not binding on the scrum and therefore could get tackles in that they normally shouldn’t have been able to.

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.10.08 10:09:13 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 23) :

    I recall being pissed at the same thing when we had a scrum close to their tryline and Kankowski broke right only for Spies and v Heerden to nail him before he had moved 2meters.

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.10.08 10:12:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 23) : ollie yeah there were a lot of things missed by jk. i really want to watch the game again. and the full game. not supersports edited version as shown on saturday.

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.10.08 10:12:30 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 21) : shit dude… I was admittedly a little bit beery by the time the match started, but I felt that Kaplan was FIRMLY on our side all afternoon.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.10.08 10:13:07 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) : hey you aren’t allowed to agree jk lover. :wink:

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.10.08 10:13:27 by try time Reply

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  • also that incident near the end where the bulls were holding onto the ball in a ruck and the sharks get a penalty goes against them.

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.10.08 10:14:23 by try time Reply

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  • Oh yes….was my eyes misleading me or was there a high tackle on (Deysel I think) when Stefan charged for that almost try about 2 meters away from the scoreline?

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.10.08 10:16:42 by Ice Sharkadelic Babe Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 26) : sorry looks like three against one. you are outvoted.

    oh and please can someone tell me what fontuin ruled and what kaplan asked. i thought jk asked what was the last offence and jc picked the first offence.

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.10.08 10:17:40 by try time Reply

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  • Good News for the Lions. :mrgreen:

    Found this little Gem out there.

    Die Leeus se losskakelprobleme is die naweek deur Pieter de Villiers opgelos. Hulle het ‘n Springboklosskakel vir aanstaande seisoen se Super 14 gesoek, en nou het hulle twee in hul midde.

    I’ll translate for those that need it.

    The Lions’ flyhalf problem has been solved by national coach Pieter De villiers this weekend. They were looking for a Springbok flyhalf for next season and now thay have TWO in their midst.

    Andre Pretorius AND Earl Rose

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.10.08 10:17:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ice Sharkadelic Babe (Comment 29) : yes i saw that as well. it definately looked high.

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.10.08 10:18:24 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 27) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.10.08 10:18:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ice Sharkadelic Babe (Comment 29) : yes – there was a clear one.

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.10.08 10:19:06 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) : ha ha ha

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.10.08 10:19:14 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 30) : I agree, but looking at the replay, it appeared as thought the Sharks were guilty in BOTH cases anyway, so a bit of a moot point

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.10.08 10:19:53 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @Ice Sharkadelic Babe (Comment 29) :

    No your eyes are okay, or mine are also screwy. He was grabbed around the throat.

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.10.08 10:20:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 34) : hey stop contradicting yourself. you have already admitted to being drunk and that jk was on our side. and now you are backtracking as if it is all becoming clear through the drunken haze. :wink: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.10.08 10:21:26 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 36) : yes but the tmo must answer what the ref asks. unless he leaves it open for interpretation.

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.10.08 10:22:36 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 30) :

    Fortuin cocked up though because JK did ask what the last offence was and JC ruled that our offence was the last offence.

    On the audio JC says “the Last offence was…..” I think he may have been watching while they were rewinding the tape for him and then saw the midfield offence first and the touchline offence last. :wink:

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.10.08 10:28:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Bryan Banana’s a carthorse :roll: :lol: :roll:

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.10.08 10:33:08 by Charlie Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 40) : :lol: yes these little mistakes are really ruining what should be a good innovation. i think the tmo is a good tool, if the the tmo’s aren’t tools. far too many mistakes have been made this season and this doesn’t bode well for the future of the tmo.

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.10.08 10:34:35 by try time Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 41) : he hasn’t been that good this season. he has wasted a lot more than what he used. he needs to go on jp’s reconditioning course.

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.10.08 10:36:14 by try time Reply

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  • Good enough to be posted a second time.

    As posted by BlackShark yesterday.

    What sound does Oom Stef make when he runs past you ?

    I dont know…ask HABANA. :lol:

    WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!!!

    Comment 9, posted at 26.10.08 11:46:56 by just blackshark (dead bull gives you mince)

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.10.08 10:38:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 44) : good one black shark.

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.10.08 10:40:58 by try time Reply

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  • i have one concern though. are frans and adi a good center pairing? i think not. adi is dangerous when he gets ball. frans doesn’t give ball. so adi just becomes a bystander. waylon and frans might be a better combo as at least waylon is a better defender and will be stronger in a ruck that frans has created by crash balling again.

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.10.08 10:47:28 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 46) :

    I think Adi didn’t live up to half our expectations on Saturday. First the kick out on the full and then giving away the PK while the nerves were settling and then he just dissappeared.

    But everyone has an off day and this was by far not the norm for him, he will fire well on tour.

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.10.08 10:54:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 47) : sorry i wasn’t pointing to the final in particular. i was looking towards next season and the game styles of the two players.

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.10.08 10:58:57 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 48) :

    Aware of that :wink:

    You just reminded me of something that I wanted to say.

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.10.08 11:05:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 49) : yeah, but i am trying not to point out the players that played badly on saturday. i promised i wouldn’t as a sign of respect for the victory they produced. but there were a couple of players that put the team under pressure. but the team won and the choker around my neck has been loosened and i am looking forward to next years s14 when it will get rip apart.

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.10.08 11:18:57 by try time Reply

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  • as john plumtree said this victory is a big monkey off the players back. it is a big step towards the ultimate s14 trophy.

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.10.08 11:21:30 by try time Reply

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  • “SA Rugby’s decision not to consider players who are turning out for overseas clubs meant a replacement for CJ van der Linde had to be found.”

    WTH. Why do they flip flop on the issue EVERY year?? Make a decision and stick to it you muppets!!

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.10.08 11:25:46 by klempie Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 51) : And back-to-back CC’s…

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.10.08 11:26:12 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 51) :

    He and Bashford wasted no time in getting outta Durban hey. The flew to the Seychelles for a vacation yesterday morning.

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.10.08 11:29:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) : Agree with that.

  • Comment 55, posted at 27.10.08 11:29:53 by klempie Reply

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  • Myself think Frans Steyn should play 10 for the Bokke. Need time to settle there and if I remember correct he was just behind Butch last time around.

  • Comment 56, posted at 27.10.08 11:51:04 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 54) : wow – I didn’t realise they were that close :)

  • Comment 57, posted at 27.10.08 11:55:19 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 57) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.10.08 12:20:51 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 54) : yeah i saw that. i would have thought the sharks would have kept them around to do some interviews. but they probably wanted to get two weeks off, before they get the list of players they will be training for 2009. it will be interesting to see who the new flyhalf will be. i think we could be in for a surprise.

  • Comment 59, posted at 27.10.08 12:39:42 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 59) :

    So I gather the Sharks won’t be doing a parade through Dbn then, seeing as the coaches are off on holiday.

  • Comment 60, posted at 27.10.08 13:10:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 60) : We don’t need the coaches…we just wanna see the cup. :lol:

    They have to do the parade…we’ve been waiting for 12 years.

  • Comment 61, posted at 27.10.08 13:21:33 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 60) : and eleven players are heading north. not much left in durban to have a parade with. maybe michael marnewick can drive it around durban in his car.

  • Comment 62, posted at 27.10.08 13:38:18 by try time Reply

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  • I have a special drum in my cupboard called “John Smit ain’t no tighthead” but Rob said he is tired of my bongo beat song I play on it….

  • Comment 63, posted at 27.10.08 13:48:39 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 62) : :lol:

  • Comment 64, posted at 27.10.08 13:55:40 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 64) : can you imagine it. a computer guy driving around in a scoro scoro with big sharks stickers on the side. a sharksfin on the bonnet and the currie cup on the back seat. oh and some flags. yeah and the latest sharks track pumping out the speakers.

  • Comment 65, posted at 27.10.08 14:09:28 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 65) :

    This the Sharks team and supporters you are talking about NOT “Die Bulle” :wink:

  • Comment 66, posted at 27.10.08 14:18:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 63) : maybe you can haul it out for one more bangin’… :)

  • Comment 67, posted at 27.10.08 14:56:17 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 66) : when i was driving back to durban yesterday, i saw a 4×4 with steers attached to the bonnet with huge bulls stickers over the car and he was dragging his venter. i smiled knowing that i had to drive that 6 hour trip after a great victory. for him it was another cc loss and 6 hours to sulk about it. and what made it worse for him was all the cops were trapping the bulls supporters going home. how is that for adding insult to injury.

  • Comment 68, posted at 27.10.08 15:29:36 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 68) :

    :lol: Last year there was a guy with a 5 Series BMW to which he had attached a pair of longhorn horns.

    You just can’t buy culture.

  • Comment 69, posted at 27.10.08 16:01:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 67) :

    No I’m bored with the song myself, all I can say is Sheridan must be cracking his knuckles in glee….we South Africans sometimes like to do things the hard way.

  • Comment 70, posted at 27.10.08 16:16:08 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 70) :
    But hey who cares this week….THE SHARKS WON THE CURRIE CUP!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 71, posted at 27.10.08 16:23:28 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • A SPANISH Teacher was explaining to her class that, in Spanish,

    unlike English, nouns are designated as either masculine or feminine.

    ‘House’ for instance, is feminine: ‘la casa.’

    ‘Pencil,’ however, is masculine: ‘el lapiz.’

    So, a student asked, ‘What gender is ‘computer’?’

    Instead of giving the answer, the teacher split the class into

    two groups, male and female, and asked them to decide for themselves

    whether ‘computer’ should be a masculine or a feminine noun.

    Each group was asked to give four reasons for its

    recommendation. The men’s group decided that ‘computer’ should

    definitely be of the feminine gender (‘la Computadora’), because:

    1. No one but their creator understands their internal logic;

    2. The native language they use to communicate with other

    computers is incomprehensible to everyone else;

    3. Even the smallest mistakes are stored in long term memory for

    possible later retrieval; and

    4. As soon as you make a commitment to one, you find yourself

    spending half your paycheck on accessories for it.

    (THIS GETS BETTER!)

    The women’s group, however, concluded that computers should be

    Masculine (‘el computador’), because:

    1. In order to do anything with them, you have to turn them on;

    2. They have a lot of data but still can’t think for themselves;

    3. They are supposed to help you solve problems, but half the

    time they ARE the problem; and

    4. As soon as you commit to one, you realize that if you had

    waited a little longer, you could have gotten a better model.

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