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Rose ‘has what it takes’


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 28 Oct 2008 at 06:52

Earl Rose feels he has what it takes to do the job if he has to play at flyhalf for the Springboks during the tour of Britain next month.

And the versatile Lions player does not think he is too small to wear No 10 in Test rugby.

“I’m no smaller than Daniel Carter, Matt Giteau or Jason Robinson,” Rose said here on Monday.

Hennie Brandt writes for Beeld that Springbok coach Peter de Villiers and the national selectors have included Rose in the team for the tour, which comprises Test matches against Wales, Scotland and England on consecutive Saturdays. Ruan Pienaar is the No 1 flyhalf.

The 24-year-old Rose made his mark earlier this season when Lions coach Eugene Eloff, finding himself in a spot of bother, selected the allrounder at flyhalf. With the exception of the team’s penultimate Currie Cup match, Rose performed well.

However, some critics feel Rose is not big and strong enough. He disagrees. “Remember, dynamite comes in small packages,” he says.

“I’m also working hard in the gym. I’m following a training programme to make me stronger and bigger and I work on improving my explosiveness.”

Dream come true

Rose believed all along that he would be chosen for the Springbok squad. He did not feel his poor performance against the Sharks had wrecked his chances of selection.

“All I have to do is to take my chances on the field 150 per cent better,” he said on Monday.

“I tried to force things against the Sharks that day instead of waiting for opportunities to come along. When I make an error, I have to work hard immediately to rectify it within the structures.”

Rose was in Cape Town with members of his family last weekend and they watched the announcement of the team on television.

“To be selected for the Springboks is a dream come true,” he said.

His career has made the full circle. He first showed his talent when he played for the SA schools team. He was then selected for the SA Under-19s and then for the Under-21s and also played sevens rugby for South Africa.

He also has Super 12 and Super 14 experience as a member of the Cats and the Lions.

He played at flyhalf and inside centre when he was a junior but established himself at fullback in the Lions’ Currie Cup team.



115 Comments

  • “I’m no smaller than Daniel Carter, Matt Giteau or Jason Robinson,” Rose said here on Monday

    I bet your balls are though!!! :evil:

  • Comment 1, posted at 28.10.08 06:54:00 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) :
    Please – this is not the Stormers website.

    Of course Earl must back himself. The real shame is that he seems blissfully unaware that his stuff-ups from trying to make things happen are forgivable – but failing to tackle is not.

    I hope for your sake that you do grow some soon Earl.

  • Comment 2, posted at 28.10.08 07:21:06 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Well done Earl Rose, you can do it, a few months ago Adi Jacobs selection was questioned as Springbok centre, but it’s a different story nowadays… :wink:

  • Comment 3, posted at 28.10.08 07:22:45 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 2) :

    let’s hope he reads this thread then.

    Lions/Cheetahs 22 August 2008

    1st Half:
    1:48 – Earl Rose misses tackle on Meyer Bosman.
    2:16 – Earl Rose misses tackle on Wian du Preez.
    20:02 – Earl Rose misses tackle on Vermeulen.
    21:21 – Earl Rose doesn’t find touch with a kick from his 22.
    21:27 – Earl Rose misses tackle on 11.
    29:15 – Earl Rose misses tackle on Floors.
    31:30 – Earl Rose misses tackle on Scholtz.
    31:55 – Earl Rose misses tackle on De Villiers.
    35:07 – Earl Rose doesn’t find touch with kick from his 22.

    2nd Half:
    56:50 – Earl Rose misses tackle on Juries.
    58:41 – Earl Rose’s restart fails to go 10 meters.
    68:07 – Earl Rose passes inside but finds a Cheetah player.
    70:23 – Earl Rose misses tackle on 11.

    Lions/Bulls 8 August 2008

    Player mistakes

    1st Half:
    2:15 – Earl Rose misses an up and under and knocks it forward.
    19:02 – Earl Rose kicks from his 22 and it’s not out.
    24:18 – Earl Rose concedes penalty (advantage) for offside play at ruck.
    25:06 – Earl Rose fails to find touch from his 22.

    2nd Half
    44:44 – Earl Rose misses tackle on number 12.
    47:20 – Earl Rose misses a difficult conversion to the right of the poles.
    51:41 – Earl Rose misses difficult conversion to the left of the poles.
    54:14 – Earl Rose fails to find touch from inside his 22.
    54:21 – Earl Rose fails to catch up and under.
    58:06 – Earl Rose misses tackle on replacement scrumhalf.
    63:04 – Earl Rose misses drop goal attempt to the right of the poles.
    63:49 – Earl Rose misses tackle on number 8.
    75:30 – Earl Rose misses a drop goal attempt to the right of the poles.

  • Comment 4, posted at 28.10.08 07:24:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Hallo Mr. Fish & Oom Oubaas :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 28.10.08 07:25:10 by Charlie Reply

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  • Best thing for Earl to do while he is carrying the tackle bags is to make sure one or two of them don’t get past him.

  • Comment 6, posted at 28.10.08 07:25:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I don’t actually know why I am giving him a hard time.

    It is not HIS fault that he has been selected.

    I should be pissed at PDV. Which i am.

  • Comment 7, posted at 28.10.08 07:26:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 5) :

    morning Charlie

  • Comment 8, posted at 28.10.08 07:29:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 6) : That sir,is funny!By the way jason robinson is a slab of granite compared to earl.

  • Comment 9, posted at 28.10.08 07:52:35 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 9) : But this guy have real guts and a brave heart to compete in the professional rugby era… :wink:

  • Comment 10, posted at 28.10.08 08:52:22 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 10) : Same club Charlie?

  • Comment 11, posted at 28.10.08 08:59:49 by PJLD Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 10) :

    That MUST be true, I mean the guy said so himself. :grin:

  • Comment 12, posted at 28.10.08 09:02:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 10) :

    Difference between Adi and Rose is Adi is actually rated by quite a few people.

  • Comment 13, posted at 28.10.08 09:11:26 by MorneN Reply
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  • Oh Charlie you insult your hero with that comment… Rose has had 2 full seasons of S14 and the CC to show how crap he is…

  • Comment 14, posted at 28.10.08 09:17:52 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • hi all!! its of the topic, but i see Jaco van Schalkwyk from the Lions is going to Europe. If the Lions want to be competitive, they have to cling to a few experienced players. its one thing to have alot of young talent on the field, but these guys need someone to look up to in the team…

  • Comment 15, posted at 28.10.08 09:19:23 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 3) :
    And a a good day to you too sir! :lol:

    My friend, you are on your won with this one.

    I have nothing against Earl, but he cant tackle for toffee.

  • Comment 16, posted at 28.10.08 09:21:30 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 15) :

    yeah we were discussing it briefly last night. I was surprised that I somehow missed his name from the signings for the Lions

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2008/10/16/golden-lions-rugby-union-player-signings/

  • Comment 17, posted at 28.10.08 09:23:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Bok 22 from the selected bunch anyone ???

  • Comment 18, posted at 28.10.08 09:25:06 by just blackshark Reply

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  • Let’s see…

    15. Conrad
    14. JP
    13 Adi
    12. JdV
    11 Habana
    10. Ruan
    9. FdP
    8. Kanko
    7. Juan
    6. scHULK
    5. Mat-dude
    4. B-k-e-
    3. Smit
    2. Bis
    1. Beast

    16. Chilli
    17. Mujati
    18. B-k-e / Rossouw
    19. Spies
    20. Januarie
    21. Rose
    22. Steyn

  • Comment 19, posted at 28.10.08 09:38:38 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :
    Not amongst all those misses but surely worthy of mentioning was the absolute non effort to tackle Kankowski against the Sharks in the semi final. That was just plain slapgat.

  • Comment 20, posted at 28.10.08 09:47:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 18) :

    Here’s mine

    15. Jantjes
    14. JPP
    13. Adi
    12. J Div
    11. Steyn (Only coz I suspect Habana has an injury)
    10. Ruan
    9. Ricky (Only coz Ruan is not allowed to play here)
    8. Kanowski
    7. Juan Smith
    6. Burger
    5. Queen Victoria
    4. Rossouw (Bekker will be more suited once the opposition has been worn down by Rossouw)
    3. Captain
    2. Bismarck
    1. Guthro

    Subs
    16. Beast – to kill with a run or two when he comes on
    17. Mujati
    18. Bekker
    19. Brussouw – (Spies can’t catch a dry ball, wouldn’t trust him with a wet ball.)
    20. F DuP
    21. Jaque Fourie
    22. Odwa Ndungane

  • Comment 21, posted at 28.10.08 09:53:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) :

    Yeah, those were posted by Bryce on another thread but very relevant. Would love to see how he did in the semi-final stats.

  • Comment 22, posted at 28.10.08 09:54:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : So Steyn is your FH cover ? :lol:

    Not too sure about Mr. Brussouw though…but we might as well play him against WALES.

  • Comment 23, posted at 28.10.08 10:06:48 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 23) :

    YIP.

    I would rather have a flyhalf who can defend in my team thanks. :wink: Even if he is not that hot in the position.

  • Comment 24, posted at 28.10.08 10:09:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 23) :

    I have also gone with 1 LH and 1 TH on the bench. It gives a nice variety of options for the front row should anyone get injured and ensures that Victoria doesn’t have to take over the captaincy at any stage.

  • Comment 25, posted at 28.10.08 10:12:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) : but we have 3 other genuine wings in the squads (if habs is out)…why use a fake one ? :smile:

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.10.08 10:12:28 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 25) : I’m ok with dropping a hooker for a prop…

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.10.08 10:13:59 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 26) :

    We can then switch Steyn with Ndungane from the bench.(as I had it originally)

    I changed to starting with Steyn for two reasons:
    The long range kicking option throughout the match
    He has had a few failures when coming on at vital times for the Sharks and being “cold” having a kick or two charged down. this way when he moves to 10 he is already INTO the match situation.

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.10.08 10:17:08 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • “I tried to force things against the Sharks that day instead of waiting for opportunities to come along. When I make an error, I have to work hard immediately to rectify it within the structures.”

    And, honourable members of the jury, I rest my case.
    :roll:

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.10.08 10:32:43 by Namboer Reply

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  • By the by, BobD – will you gimme a shout if that Q&A with Ruan Pienaar is posted?

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.10.08 10:33:49 by Namboer Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 28) : I see what you’re trying to say…it’s always good to dream but if Habs is out then the guy who finished 4 moves against Australia will probably play. :wink:

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.10.08 10:34:49 by just blackshark Reply

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  • Rose is 8 kg lighter than Wilkinson, 14 kg lighter than Carter, 18 kg lighter than Butch, 8 kg lighter than Giteau, 1 kg lighter than Michalak, 7 kg lighter than Robinson and 11 kg lighter than Larkham

    I hope he does an Adi and sorts his tackling out chop-chop especially the technique because his weight will not help him much. It’ll be hard work though has he doesn’t have the compact size to go with his weigh like Michalak does.

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.10.08 10:36:14 by Ollie Reply

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  • Good day Gents.

    I can’t understand how Rose makes the side instead of Grant. I am all for Ruan getting an opportunity but if he does not perform who do we fall back on???

    Surely not Earl Rose??? Peter Grant had an awesome S14 and has never really been given an opportunity at Bok level.

    Jake played him a few times (along with Hougaard) on the overseas leg of the TN last year.

    Let’s forget for a moment that he plays for the Stormers. He is a consistent performer at CC and S14 level and he should have at least been on tour.

    I hope Ruan is successful but if he just happens to get injured I am not looking forward to seeing Earl at 10 against a team like Wales or the Poms. :cry:

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.10.08 10:41:21 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 33) :

    Indeed… not to mention a solid partnership with JDV proven at the highest provincial level (S14)… let’s face it… ain’t no way PDV is going to play Rose other than off the bench against Scotland…

  • Comment 34, posted at 28.10.08 10:45:49 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @Namboer (Comment 30) : will do

  • Comment 35, posted at 28.10.08 10:47:09 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • Well I suppose the Bok coach has to take 1 or 2 players along on tour purely as an experiment to see how they shape up in the team and to see what the coach can get out of them. Rose might be one of those.

  • Comment 36, posted at 28.10.08 10:48:05 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 32) :

    Weight has nothing to do with being a natural born pussy… which Rose is…

    Read Walter’s stats for Rose… not only does he make an extremely low amount of tackles… but the ratio of missed tackles to tackles made is almost freakin equal!

    Wilkinson, Carter, Giteau, Michalak etc etc have balls… and…

    “You cannot coach that!”

  • Comment 37, posted at 28.10.08 10:48:33 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 33) : Hey…you are still alive. :shock:

    I was meant to email you about “our victory” but I got sidetracked …what with the Sharks winning the Currie Cup and things like that. :mrgreen:

    YNWA!

  • Comment 38, posted at 28.10.08 10:49:15 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 37) :

    That’s why I said, “I hope he does an Adi and sorts his tackling out chop-chop especially the technique because his weight will not help him much”

  • Comment 39, posted at 28.10.08 10:50:19 by Ollie Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 35) : Shanks!

  • Comment 40, posted at 28.10.08 10:51:21 by Namboer Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 33) :

    I quote Naas :shock: ” some players are just unlucky”

    They play for the wrong team …miss out on the CC…don’t get selected for the Boks…stuff like that. SAD.

  • Comment 41, posted at 28.10.08 10:53:24 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 39) :

    What Adi lacked in technique… he didn’t in guts…

    AS I SAID… Rose is a natural born pussy and point blank refuses to tackle!

  • Comment 42, posted at 28.10.08 10:55:19 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 37) :

    I think Rose does have balls actually…he just needs a brain.

  • Comment 43, posted at 28.10.08 10:55:23 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 42) :

    Well we’ll all know soon enough if PDV’s experiment works or not.

  • Comment 44, posted at 28.10.08 10:57:34 by Ollie Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 38) :

    LOL

    I installed a new PC and lost most of my contacts… our side is kwaai né???

    Bryce

    Don’t you EVER agree with me on something ever again…capish??? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 45, posted at 28.10.08 10:58:51 by wpw Reply
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  • @Ollie (Comment 44) : Yep…the wait ain’t that long. In the next few weeks all will be revealed.

    I hope it all works out as intended…Go Bokke!

  • Comment 46, posted at 28.10.08 11:00:46 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @Namboer (Comment 40) : daarsy!

  • Comment 47, posted at 28.10.08 11:20:11 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 33) :

    That’s is something that astonishes me. If RP does get injured, PDV will probably play Steyn at Flyhalf.

    Well i can dream can’t I? :roll:

  • Comment 48, posted at 28.10.08 12:06:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) : you want to see Fransie at 10?

    You know – why the hell not. He seems a changed player – particularly for the Sharks. It’s like he’s finally got the team ethos thing sorted

  • Comment 49, posted at 28.10.08 12:07:35 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 49) :

    hell i would even accept them calling up Hougaard at the last minute if it means Rose doesn’t have to be our channel one defender.

  • Comment 50, posted at 28.10.08 12:20:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 45) : Hosh mase kind, wa val jy yt :mrgreen:

  • Comment 51, posted at 28.10.08 12:38:34 by Charlie Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 50) : Rose is a better flyhalf than Hougaard could ever dream to be

  • Comment 52, posted at 28.10.08 12:47:32 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) :

    Yes… (perhaps Scotland being the exception for 10mins)…

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.10.08 12:48:51 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 52) : …and I’m not signing up for the grant fan club…until he joins the Sharks… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 28.10.08 12:59:46 by just blackshark Reply

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  • Wot pisses me of most is Rose’s comment on ‘dynamite comes in small packages’. Thats just it. Thats dynamite! Where was his dynamite the rest of his career! And Earl, if you bloody fake sidestep in the NH i will climb through the telly and break your legs.

  • Comment 55, posted at 28.10.08 15:12:29 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 55) : a passionate fan… :) Welcome

  • Comment 56, posted at 28.10.08 15:17:10 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • :lol: I thought someone was using my nick… justPlainSHARK

  • Comment 57, posted at 28.10.08 15:32:52 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 55) : i love your spunk. you make me look like a pussycat.

  • Comment 58, posted at 28.10.08 15:34:54 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 58) : please don’t consider this a direct challenge… :)

  • Comment 59, posted at 28.10.08 15:37:57 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 51) : hey charles… hoesit my broe??? :wink:

  • Comment 60, posted at 28.10.08 15:38:02 by wpw Reply
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  • “Remember, dynamite comes in small packages,” he says.

    Probably what he tells all his dates. :roll:

  • Comment 61, posted at 28.10.08 15:42:55 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 61) : tik also comes in small packages.

  • Comment 62, posted at 28.10.08 15:44:11 by try time Reply

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  • I do hope he is a success though. I don’t like to see Springbok players playing badly.

  • Comment 63, posted at 28.10.08 15:44:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 62) : It does? Didn’t know that. :grin: :wink:

  • Comment 64, posted at 28.10.08 15:45:38 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 2) : You’re right, Earl should back himself, but why back himself now, instead of when Kanko was scoring against his team. After that display of evident fear of contact, I just can’t see Rose ever being successful at the Super 14 level, let alone international.

  • Comment 65, posted at 28.10.08 15:46:05 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 49) : Sorry Rob, Fransie still takes too long kicking out of hand to play flyhalf. He has been superb at 12, but with very little tactical kicking responsibility. His strength with the boot is distance, and he can most take advantage of that from fullback.

  • Comment 66, posted at 28.10.08 15:48:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 64) : i thought that is what is stuck on the side of your mouth. :lol:

  • Comment 67, posted at 28.10.08 15:49:04 by try time Reply

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  • Tik or methamphetamine, part of the amphetamine group of drugs, potent and easy to make, was first discovered in Japan in 1919. It’s still legally produced in the United States in the guise of medication prescribed for weight loss, as a nasal inhalant and even for narcolepsy and attention deficit hyperactivity disorders. :shock:

  • Comment 68, posted at 28.10.08 15:53:07 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 68) : no wonder the guys are skinny in the cape. :lol:

  • Comment 69, posted at 28.10.08 15:57:55 by try time Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 66) : Fair enough. If we can get Pienaar settled at ten, then we can leave Frans at 12

  • Comment 70, posted at 28.10.08 16:08:56 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 60) : Ney dydelik broe van my, anyway hoe lyk ‘ie nomme :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 28.10.08 16:12:37 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 70) : I still think the Sharks should play Kockett at 9, Pienaar at 10 and Steyn at 15 for the Super 14. Swanepoel and Adi can fill the centre spots nicely.

  • Comment 72, posted at 28.10.08 16:18:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 72) : Or even Adi and Waylon.

  • Comment 73, posted at 28.10.08 16:18:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 73) : right… well, looks like Div is working on one half of that problem. Now we just need to find someone who knows Frans well enough…

  • Comment 74, posted at 28.10.08 16:26:18 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 69) : Maybe Rose should take some before a match to give him ‘courage’. :wink:

  • Comment 75, posted at 28.10.08 16:40:16 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 75) : with his “record”, maybe it would be better for him to avoid all substances, just in case…

  • Comment 76, posted at 28.10.08 16:42:47 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 74) : And let’s not forget that it was PdV that was the first to play Pienaar at 10, back in the U/21 days. Ruan was so good, PdV had to find a spot for him, and Delport was PdV’s 9 and captain. As I recall Morne Steyn was the other 10 in the squad, but I could be wrong.

  • Comment 77, posted at 28.10.08 16:46:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 77) : I think you’re right. PdV also firs experimented with Keegan Daniel at no 8, as I recall

  • Comment 78, posted at 28.10.08 16:54:02 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 78) : Keegan is phenomenal, the fact he is even considered a lineout option is amazing in itself, and he always seems to take his ball.

    Also, watching Odwa this season, he has become the hardest working wing in SA by a long shot. He pops up all over the field, I can’t tell you how many times he has been the one to spring JP on the left side. He may not have the all out pace of the others, but none work as hard and none look for the ball as much as he does.

  • Comment 79, posted at 28.10.08 17:00:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 79) : have you noticed how often he plays backup scrummie as well? A truly phenomenal player… Shit, can we pick both Sharks wingers for the Boks? Who needs Bryan Hasbeena?

  • Comment 80, posted at 28.10.08 17:03:39 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 80) : hehehe the Sharks certainly are blessed with fantastic wings. Still not quite as ready as you to write off Habana. We really have fantastic wings in SA. Habana, JP, Odwa, Akona, Nokwe will all do well on the international stage. If Chavanga could improve his defence, he too would be international quality.

  • Comment 81, posted at 28.10.08 17:13:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 80) : I’ve also seen Odwa hit some rucks very hard, cleaning players off the ball. I honestly can’t remember Habana breaking Odwa’s defence in a long time.

  • Comment 82, posted at 28.10.08 17:16:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 77) :
    Wasn’t Isma El Dollie (sp) the other flyhalf.

    On that Superrugby programme that we all hate to watch – Joost was dressed as a Sharks supporter and was wearing a huge Afro wig (he lost a bet). Anyway Kobus Wiese had to ask the guys phoning in to have some sympathy and stop requesting to see the video clip of Stefan running around Habs.

  • Comment 83, posted at 28.10.08 17:24:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 83) :

    Am about to finish watching the replay on Showsport :cool:

    75min on the clock.

    I am not nearly as nervous this time around. :razz:

  • Comment 84, posted at 28.10.08 17:30:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Lovely dummy kick by STEYN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 85, posted at 28.10.08 17:30:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Damnit!!!!! Steyn misses the PK with 2min left on the clock.

    I am feeling nervous.

  • Comment 86, posted at 28.10.08 17:33:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • scrum Sharks 20seconds left

  • Comment 87, posted at 28.10.08 17:34:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • JUST saw the T-shirt for the first time.

    Sharks Rule!!!
    That’s no BULL.

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 88, posted at 28.10.08 17:34:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Johann Muller down injured, this is worrying.

  • Comment 89, posted at 28.10.08 17:35:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Deysel takes it into touch

    SHARKS ARE THE CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 90, posted at 28.10.08 17:36:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 83) :
    Just like with Ngwenya, Habana got beaten not so much for lack of pace, but for positioning – he left his outside line open, and backed himself too far.

    One would have thought he would have learnt from the Ngwenya embarrassment.

    As I recall, both Odwa and Stefan took him on the outside on Saturday.

    He is still the best wing in the world in my opinion, but maybe he needs a rest.

  • Comment 91, posted at 28.10.08 17:36:50 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 87) : we won!

  • Comment 92, posted at 28.10.08 17:36:52 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • And the Final score is

    :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:
    :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:

    v

    :cry: :cry: :cry:
    :cry: :cry: :cry:
    :cry: :cry: :cry:

  • Comment 93, posted at 28.10.08 17:36:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Oh it never gets old watching that again. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 94, posted at 28.10.08 17:38:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 94) :
    My 2 favourite parts (other than the final movement):
    1. Watching Kirchner unexpectedly get a mouthful of JPP’s boot
    2. Watching Danie get bounced by Deysel
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 95, posted at 28.10.08 17:42:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 83) : Dollie was the 10 in 2006, with Keegan Daniel and Spies, with Chilliboy as their captain. Pienaar and Steyn both played in 2005, with Delport as Captain. I am fairly sure I am right on this.

  • Comment 96, posted at 28.10.08 17:43:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 94) :
    Thanks for the commentary. :lol:
    @Big Fish (Comment 91) :
    He does need a rest ,no doubt. Also no doubt that he is the best wing around. The interaction on the Superrugby programme was very much tongue in cheek.

  • Comment 97, posted at 28.10.08 17:45:24 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 96) :
    I remember Pienaar and Delport in the same team, Delport captain. I thought Dollie was in that same team. You are probably right. Weird I have absolutely no recollection of Keegan Daniel.

  • Comment 98, posted at 28.10.08 17:53:31 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • hehehe, just looking at Jonathan Kaplan’s history, I went to school with his brother. :lol:

  • Comment 99, posted at 28.10.08 17:54:40 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 98) : Keegan Daniel was U/21 IRB Player of the Year in 2006. He won that over Pierre Spies who was his teammate in 2006. Spies was benched in the final for Ashley Johnson.

  • Comment 100, posted at 28.10.08 17:55:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 96) : :)

  • Comment 101, posted at 28.10.08 17:57:11 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 100) :
    Nope still no recollection, I must have taken that year off. What year was it. 2006. Shit, and that only sounds like yesterday.

  • Comment 102, posted at 28.10.08 18:02:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 102) : :lol: only two yeas ago. Spies came right back from the U/21 World Cup into Jake White’s squad, and Keegan won the IRB U/21 Player of the Year award. The Baby Boks beat Baby Blacks 40-23 in the semi-final. Spies and Daniel were the flanks with Ashley Johnson the 8. Actually a fearsome U/21 team that year for SA, Heinke at 1, Chilliboy at 2, Hargreaves, Blignaut, and Steenkamp the locks, Spies, Daniel and Johnson, backline of Dollie, Brad Barritt, Waylon Murray, JP Pietersen, Mkhize and either Spedding or Marius Delport at 15. Jislaaik but that is a good group for one year.

  • Comment 103, posted at 28.10.08 18:08:33 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 103) : How’s that backline for the Sharks though, all coming through in one year. Barritt, Murray, JP Pietersen, and Cedric….wow. Not to mention Spedding who was a very good 15 or 10 at that level.

  • Comment 104, posted at 28.10.08 18:10:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 104) : there was a very nice story on IOL about Cedric. Seems he’s working at Sibhaya Casino and doing very well

  • Comment 105, posted at 28.10.08 18:21:04 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 105) : Do you have the link? Might be worth posting here, he’ll always be a Shark.

  • Comment 106, posted at 28.10.08 18:28:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 76) : He should have a word with Spies’ ‘pharmacist’. :wink: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 107, posted at 28.10.08 18:30:13 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 106) : i’ll find it

    @McLovin (Comment 107) : ouch… you wanna get us sued? :)

  • Comment 108, posted at 28.10.08 18:33:30 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • Cedric grasps curve ball

    By Chris Makhaye

    It was the three minutes that shattered his life and ended one of the most promising rugby careers in South Africa.

    On a wintry July evening in the Free State last year, Cedric Mkhize and five teammates were travelling to Welkom after training ahead of a Currie Cup game when a tyre burst, causing their car to overturn.

    Two of the occupants were flung out of the Toyota Condor, as it rolled several times before coming to a halt.

    Two promising rugby talents – Nardus “Pompies” Wessels and Ashley Maphisa – were killed instantly.

    Four others, including Mkhize, were admitted to hospital.

    Mkhize and Wessels were contracted by the Sharks, but loaned to Free States’ Griffons to enable them to play in the Currie Cup competitions.

    Mkhize was unconscious for two-and-a-half days. He suffered injuries to his back, spine and neck and spent four months in hospitals in the Free State and KwaZulu-Natal.

    He has since been confined to a wheelchair.

    But, thanks to the help and support of the Sharks, his family and friends, Mkhize has moved on and is now the training co-ordinator at Sibaya Casino north of Durban.

    “It is a fantastic challenge,” he said.

    “It has helped me adapt from being an athlete to a player in the corporate world. People here are so ready to lend a hand and it also helps that the whole of Sibaya is wheelchair-friendly.”

    In his new role behind the scenes at the casino, Mkhize oversees the inductions and skills upgrades of the more than 1 700 Sibaya employees.

    “Everyday I meet new people and work well in a four-member team in the training department,” he said.

    It is a far cry from the limelight of rugby stardom, but the ever-positive Mkhize says he is determined to make a success of it.

    “I would like to grow within Sun International and so far I am hopefully on the right track,” he said.

    He is still involved with rugby and is always at the Absa Stadium to cheer on his former Sharks teammates during their matches.

    “It is always good to see them play as well as they are right now. Last year they played above themselves to get to the final of the Super 14 and this year they did extremely well to reach the final of the Currie Cup after so many seasons.”

    Mkhize took a keen interest in rugby after seeing the Springboks winning the final on home soil in 1995 during the memorable rugby World Cup.

    He has also taken a long personal journey with the sport.

    Born 24 years ago in KwaMthethwa district near Empangeni, he moved with his family to Hammarsdale when he was a child.

    He attended the George Cato Primary in Cato Ridge, where he played rugby for the first time as a prop. He later evolved into a wing, developing the elusive sidestep for which he became famous.

    He made the KwaZulu-Natal Under-13 team that took part in the Craven Week tournament.

    He went on to get a sports bursary at Maritzburg College, where he made every provincial team until Matric. In 2003 he was selected to the SA School Academy Under-18 team.

    The following year Mkhize joined the Sharks Academy and rose through the ranks until he played for the B-side known as the Wildebeest and national Under-20 team.

    His career was on a tangent and in 2005 he made his first appearance for the senior Sharks side against Auckland in New Zealand. He opened his account by scoring a try in that game.

    He was one of the leading members of the national Under-21 team that won the World Cup in Argentina after crushing New Zealand in the final.

    From then, he played regularly for the national teams and was part of the 2006 Sharks Super 14 team.

    Unfortunately for him, the Sharks had a surplus of talented wingers and he could not command a regular place in the team.

    Mkhize and several young players were loaned to several teams so that they could get first-team action.

    Mkhize and Wessels were loaned to the Griffons.

    Shortly after that came the accident, which claimed his friend’s life and left him seriously injured.

    “I still don’t know exactly what happened,” he said.

    What he is sure of is that his life has to go on.

    Since February he has undergone hours and hours of therapy.

    He also completed his hand-control driving training, which enables him to drive a car. These days he can be seen out and about in his Chrysler 300C.

    Mkhize is grateful to his teammates at the Sharks, the Rugby Legends and the general public for banding together to form the Cedric Mkhize Trust to help him through the tough times.

    He is optimistic that he will be able to walk one day.

    “I may not be able to run on the rugby field again, but I am sure that I will be able to stand on my own feet and walk again,” he said.

    On Saturday, Mkhize was one of the fans cheering on the Sharks in their titanic battle against the Blue Bulls.

  • Comment 109, posted at 28.10.08 18:34:16 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 107) : :lol: comments like that got me nick-named Dom Bliksem by Stan! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 110, posted at 28.10.08 18:35:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 108) : Sued? :shock: I’ll have to start using words like alleged & probably in my comments. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 111, posted at 28.10.08 18:40:36 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 109) : Nice article, doesn’t it deserve a spot on the front page? Wonderful to see him making a life for himself, and still optimistic.

  • Comment 112, posted at 28.10.08 18:41:33 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 109) : Going from professional sportsman to wheel chair must have been very hard. But he seems to be coping very well. :smile:

  • Comment 113, posted at 28.10.08 18:46:09 by McLovin Reply

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  • Hey good on him..I called this one whilst he was playing some good rugger in the CC but then proceeded to grate me with his dip in form at the crucial part of the CC.I do however believe that he does bring something special to the fly-half berth and can be a success there if he sorts out his BMT.As mentioned earlier what cannot be forgiven is missing tackles on a regular basis.He will need to put his body on the line and I think perhaps he will now.The experience that he’ll gain from being with the Boks on tour will be invaluable and should come back a improved player.

    Also I don’ PDV is that niave to not know what Rose’s weaknesses are and Im certain they will be sorting them out.

    Good luck to the lad and well done!

  • Comment 114, posted at 28.10.08 19:00:34 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 72) : Hey, know its a few hrs of, but to add to that. Why is it that the sharks players are continuosly shifted in their positions. Imo, i hope Ruan accepts 10 as his and plays there in the S14. Rocket at 9 and for Petes sake (and mine) leave Frans at 12. He mastered the WC & CC there. Stef or JP (if nescesary) at 15.

  • Comment 115, posted at 28.10.08 21:42:32 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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