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Visagie warns Div and Boks


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 29 Oct 2008 at 07:07

The coaching staff of the Springbok rugby team will make a mistake if they play John Smit at tighthead prop in Britain next month says former Springbok prop Cobus Visagie.

Stephen Nell writes in Die Burger that the former Western Province front-row powerhouse, who played in his 100th match for English club Saracens at the weekend, feels the Springbok captain is still a fine hooker.

He sees no reason for switching Smit to the prop position. “My question is ‘why?’. Do you want to tell me there is no tighthead prop in South Africa who is up to the job?” Visagie asked on Monday.

“I think it will be exposed as a big mistake,” Visagie said from England on Monday.

Asked about his views after the national selectors had switched Smit to prop and installed Bismarck du Plessis as No 1 hooker for the tour of Wales, Scotland and England, Visagie expressed his doubts.

“I’d like to see John do well at tighthead but he has not played there for a long time. Most of his rugby as a prop forward was on the loosehead side.

“It is a lot easier to switch from hooker to loosehead, John is a big and intelligent guy but I can’t see him slotting in at tighthead.”

Whenever the Springboks tour in the northern hemisphere, they should be looking to dominate the tight phases.

At international level, he added, he would not start with Du Plessis at hooker ahead of Smith.

Surprised that John did not start in the Currie Cup final

“I was doing commentary for Sky television of the Currie Cup match between the Sharks and Griquas, and I thought John was brilliant at hooker.

“John is still playing good rugby. Bismarck is the future but I was surprised that John did not start in the Currie Cup final.

“I still see Bismarck as an impact player, with John playing for 50 minutes.”

Visagie pointed out that there were major differences between the prop forward positions.

“On the loosehead side you use your neck and lower back. A tighthead should have strong abdominal muscles and a strong upper body. You also need fitness in your legs to play at tighthead.”

Visagie feels the opening Test of the tour, against Wales on November 8, will be the toughest of the three for the Springboks.

Smith is likely to face Gethin Jenkens in the front row in the match in Cardiff. “Jenkins is an attacking loosehead prop,” Visagie said.

“My concern is that South Africa could end up with Chiliboy Ralepelle at hooker and John at tighthead. Both are inexperienced in those positions.”

“The Welsh are not particularly strong up front but they’ll try to outsmart the Springboks. I have a lot of respect for their coach, Warren Gatland.

“England’s rugby seems to be in a bit of a mess and many people are sceptical about them. Wales are a bigger threat than England,” Visagie said.



69 Comments

  • ” A tighthead should have strong abdominal muscles and a strong upper body. You also need fitness in your legs to play at tighthead.”

    So he reckons John does not have a ‘sixpack’? :twisted:

  • Comment 1, posted at 29.10.08 07:17:27 by Silver Fox Reply
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  • Most of his rugby as a prop forward was on the loosehead side.

    I may have got something wrong here, but I thought John played TH for Clermont. If Visagie is right then it will be difficult for John to adapt as this will then be a whole new ball game to him

    That said. I DO think he will manage quite well.

  • Comment 2, posted at 29.10.08 07:36:03 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • when was cobus a top scrummager. he was good but not great. and was he taking a banned substance when he thought this up. smit will battle the first couple of games, but he won’t be worse than cobus or cj and definately not mujati.

  • Comment 3, posted at 29.10.08 08:30:22 by try time Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 3) :

    My feeling as well.
    Cobus is “suur” about not managing to get back in the side a few years ago.

  • Comment 4, posted at 29.10.08 08:34:58 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) : yeah when last were the western province the front row powerhouse in sa, yet they still manage to get crap props into the bok team while the good guys wonder why. the last decade wp has been fifth when it comes to front rows.

  • Comment 5, posted at 29.10.08 08:46:01 by try time Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 1) : :mrgreen:

    Blah blah blah…who takes these people seriously?
    If they wanna put in their 2 cents’ worth they should blog on Sharksworld or something…they don’t have make a long article out of it. :yawn:

  • Comment 6, posted at 29.10.08 08:53:04 by just blackshark Reply
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  • Cobus who :?: :roll:

  • Comment 7, posted at 29.10.08 09:33:24 by Charlie Reply
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  • I’m also not convinced that Smit will match up. Only time will tell.

  • Comment 8, posted at 29.10.08 09:41:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • yeah all i remember of him is the program on him being the poor prop that had to sit at home for 2 years because his adrenaline levels were too high and it wasn’t drugs. it still brings tears to my eyes.

  • Comment 9, posted at 29.10.08 09:42:39 by try time Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 8) : yeah my only worry is he won’t match up with bakkies behind him. bj scrummed a lot better with johan behind him than bakkies. but i definately think smitty is capable.

  • Comment 10, posted at 29.10.08 09:47:28 by try time Reply

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  • Visagie is talking shit. John was always a tighthead. To my knowledge, he has never played loosehead at any competitive level

  • Comment 11, posted at 29.10.08 09:55:50 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • Im sure Smittie has had a few minutes at loosehead, even in the G&G

  • Comment 12, posted at 29.10.08 09:58:57 by PJLD Reply
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  • “It is a lot easier to switch from hooker to loosehead, John is a big and intelligent guy but I can’t see him slotting in at tighthead.”

    Is he trying to say that tight heads are “doff” and therefore Smit is not qualified to play there?

  • Comment 13, posted at 29.10.08 09:59:04 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • i remember all this bs being spewed by all the “experts” when jake bought back monty and os. i learnt to take the wait and see approach, i see these guys haven’t. i see balie swart is also ranting on about it. was balie part of the sharks successful period, or was he there during the dark days. my memory fails me. i think he left when john plumtree joined.

  • Comment 14, posted at 29.10.08 10:09:21 by try time Reply

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  • What I can’t understand is why we don’t just continue with Smit starting at hooker and Dup coming on as sub for the Boks and reverse for the Sharks. :???: Seems a simple enough solution. Dup has got years ahead of him. He can wait until Smit retires to start for the Boks.

  • Comment 15, posted at 29.10.08 10:14:19 by klempie Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 14) : Balie was Sharks forward coach when Putt was at the helm. He is now working full-time with the Academy, as far as I know

  • Comment 16, posted at 29.10.08 10:55:08 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 13) :

    And here I thought it’s “dom slotte” , now i see dis dom voorrye.. :twisted:

  • Comment 17, posted at 29.10.08 11:02:03 by Ice Sharkadelic Babe Reply
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  • @Ice Sharkadelic Babe (Comment 17) :

    Nee man!!!!!!!!!!! Dis “Dom Voorspelers” :grin:

  • Comment 18, posted at 29.10.08 11:08:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • If I remember correctly Visagie was rated as one of the best if not the best tightheads in the Premiership not too long ago. So he must know something about tighthead play.

    He’s merely giving his opinion. He could be right. He could be wrong. :smile:

  • Comment 19, posted at 29.10.08 11:10:45 by McLovin Reply

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  • …and he’s a CA and a pilot.

  • Comment 20, posted at 29.10.08 11:11:32 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 19) : His performances for Saracens saw him named in the Premiership Dream Team two years running.

  • Comment 21, posted at 29.10.08 11:12:25 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 20) : did you know that Bruce Dickinson (front man of Iron Maiden) is a commercial airline pilot as well?

  • Comment 22, posted at 29.10.08 11:15:00 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 20) : geez.

  • Comment 23, posted at 29.10.08 11:16:13 by klempie Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 19) : have you watched the premiership. it doesn’t take much to be top. it doesn’t compare to s14. thats why i would love sa to drop the s14 and play against the nh. we would clean up.

  • Comment 24, posted at 29.10.08 11:16:29 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 22) : Yeh he flies their plane to gigs. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 29.10.08 11:16:43 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 22) : Could be. They’re quite an educated bunch. Plus they not bad at making music. Owned an Iron Maiden t-shirt once.

  • Comment 26, posted at 29.10.08 11:17:00 by McLovin Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 24) : Our standards would drop though and eventually we would be as lame ass as the NH countries. i.e. Never competing for No 1 on the IRB rankings.

  • Comment 27, posted at 29.10.08 11:18:03 by klempie Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 26) : I got two tickets to Iron Maiden, baby :)

  • Comment 28, posted at 29.10.08 11:19:08 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 24) : That a popular myth, especially in the Southern hemisphere. :wink:

  • Comment 29, posted at 29.10.08 11:19:26 by McLovin Reply

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  • at least we would get the joyous feeling of victory which we battle to get during s14.

  • Comment 30, posted at 29.10.08 11:21:10 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 28) : Lucky you. :cool:

  • Comment 31, posted at 29.10.08 11:21:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 29) : rob watching the games makes the myth reality. i tried to watch three games on that weekend of the cc break. and man was the quality poor. the amount of silly mistakes and poor tactics was ridiculous. i see why they call it club rugby.

  • Comment 32, posted at 29.10.08 11:24:22 by try time Reply

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  • sorry i meant mclovin not rob.

  • Comment 33, posted at 29.10.08 11:25:05 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 28) :

    Isn’t it easier to jump off a building and get it over with. :?: :razz:

  • Comment 34, posted at 29.10.08 11:26:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 30) : Which would you rather have? The joyous feeling of a S14 title or the joyous feeling of a WC title? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 29.10.08 11:32:35 by klempie Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 3) :

    He played international test rugby in the position, not to mention several very successful seasons in the NH nogal, oft being rated as one of the toughest scrummagers by his peers…

    Yet you discount his opinion… because YOU don’t rate him as a player…

    Eish (bangs head on wall emoticon)…

  • Comment 36, posted at 29.10.08 11:44:34 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 35) : Right now – S14 !!!

    I’ve had 2 WC’s in my lifetime…New Zealanders who are my age probably don’t even know what that feels like. :grin:

  • Comment 37, posted at 29.10.08 11:45:50 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 36) : I don’t know about TT but I discount his opinion because that’s what I’m doing with all “opinions”(including my own)until we’ve seen this team battling it out on the field.

    Abdominal muscles, strong upper body, fitness in your legs…what is this…requirements for the front page of Men’s Health ? :roll:

  • Comment 38, posted at 29.10.08 11:53:16 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 37) : BS what do you do?

  • Comment 39, posted at 29.10.08 11:59:07 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 39) : Blood testing and stuff… :neutral: Why?

  • Comment 40, posted at 29.10.08 12:02:06 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 38) :

    >media man wants article
    >media man decides to ask knowledgeable opinion of an experience specialist
    >media man prints said opinion of knowlegeable experienced specialist
    >mug punter skims article
    >mug punter slags off experienced specialist personally…

    The ignorance gets a bit painful…

  • Comment 41, posted at 29.10.08 12:12:52 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 41) : Gotta love blogging…

  • Comment 42, posted at 29.10.08 12:16:08 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 40) : I just realised I didn’t know what keeps you busy when you’re not watching rugby. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 29.10.08 12:19:58 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 43) :

    Sweet…
    What are we watching this weekend anyway?
    And am I the only one who didn’t know about this Sharks vs Cheetahs warm-up game in the UAE ?

  • Comment 44, posted at 29.10.08 12:22:04 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 44) : No because until two minutes ago I didn’t either. As far as what I am watching this weekend. Well nothing. I have an exam on Monday. :mad:

  • Comment 45, posted at 29.10.08 12:23:56 by klempie Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 44) : I kinda recall hearing something about it a while ago… guess lucky bloody KSA will get to go see it.

  • Comment 46, posted at 29.10.08 12:27:49 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 45) :

    Ah…exam…good thing it wasn’t this past Monday…when were you gonna study? :twisted:
    Have fun and good luck…

  • Comment 47, posted at 29.10.08 12:28:57 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 46) : And see our S14 squad in action before us. :evil:

  • Comment 48, posted at 29.10.08 12:29:56 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 48) : Sucks that they don’t get to have a bit of a break though I’d say.

  • Comment 49, posted at 29.10.08 12:36:22 by klempie Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 48) : hmmmm…. I wonder if I can make a plan :twisted:

  • Comment 50, posted at 29.10.08 12:36:36 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 48) :

    whens the game?

    and …hello Klemp…still have not received a mail…regarding your nice idea.. :roll:

  • Comment 51, posted at 29.10.08 12:41:52 by Ice Sharkadelic Babe Reply
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  • @Ice Sharkadelic Babe (Comment 51) : 24 January …

  • Comment 52, posted at 29.10.08 12:43:56 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 48) :
    Well, he deserves it. He did stay away from the final, thus playing a starring role in the win.

  • Comment 53, posted at 29.10.08 12:44:41 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 52) :

    the way you guys carrying on I would have thought ist this weekend… :roll: :twisted:

  • Comment 54, posted at 29.10.08 12:45:05 by Ice Sharkadelic Babe Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 53) : Yeah…he probably does since he made the sacrifice to stay away from ALL FUTURE SHARKS Finals… :lol:

    @Ice Sharkadelic Babe (Comment 54) : We’re already missing THE BLACK AND WHITE DYNAMITE !

  • Comment 55, posted at 29.10.08 12:48:37 by just blackshark Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 55) :

    Luckily I am S-L-O-W… :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 56, posted at 29.10.08 12:50:04 by Ice Sharkadelic Babe Reply
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  • @just blackshark (Comment 44) :

    Nope… count this mug punter as another…

  • Comment 57, posted at 29.10.08 13:00:19 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @just blackshark (Comment 44) :

    I DID know about it. :cool:

  • Comment 58, posted at 29.10.08 13:02:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 53) :

    Nah I won’t be going. :sad: Abu Dhabi (Where the match is being played) is a bit of a crappy place.

    They have a brand new stadium in Dubai that was purpose built for the 7s RWC in March 09 (which I WILL be attending. The trial run for the RWC is the annual IRB Dubai 7s (Which i will ALSO be attending)………. :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

    Anyway what I am trying to say is they should play the match at the new venue in Dubai. BTW the new Stadium is called “The Sevens Dubai”

  • Comment 59, posted at 29.10.08 13:07:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Maybe Smit will cope and maybe he won’t…I’m of the humble opnion that this NH tour is very important in gaining momentum for the Lions tour.Its imperative we win all our games against the NH teams before next years tour.Experimenting now is a risk and hopefully what PDV and his home boys deciede ,it pays off and we end the year on a winning note.

  • Comment 60, posted at 29.10.08 13:23:26 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 36) : no i criticize him because he takes down the coach before the coach has had a chance to prove himself. the team needs support and as an ex-bok he should know that, so why is he bashing the national team. it is almost as bad luke dishing the bok jersey. if you are happy to be a bok then don’t go bashing it when you are out.

  • Comment 61, posted at 29.10.08 13:49:06 by try time Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 35) : sharks first boks second. that should answer your question.

  • Comment 62, posted at 29.10.08 13:50:10 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 61) : but if pdv fails, then add your 2 cents because then pdv has let the country down.

  • Comment 63, posted at 29.10.08 13:52:02 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 63) :

    So next time a specialist is asked his opinion on a subject he is more adept at discussing than PDV in an interview, he should just decline or blow smoke up his @ss…

    I certainly wouldn’t be reading that paper… but anyways…

    @try time (Comment 63) :

    I did add my 2 cents worth after losing the series against NZ 2-1 and Aus 2-1 and ending up last on the table…

    Bed time… nighty night!

  • Comment 64, posted at 29.10.08 15:23:15 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 64) :

    Addendum… if the tour is a flop and Snor gets sacked… I certainly wouldn’t say he’s let his country down… I don’t blame everything on the coach…

  • Comment 65, posted at 29.10.08 15:25:20 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • It’s only rugby…

  • Comment 66, posted at 29.10.08 15:25:45 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 64) : what was jake whites record again. he never did much better, but he redeemed himself. what was malletts record and he threw it away with two poor decisions. you are right it is only rugby. easy to say in a country where all the sports teams do well.

  • Comment 67, posted at 29.10.08 15:33:12 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 67) : and where gay league is number 2 in the football codes with union a distant 4th.

  • Comment 68, posted at 29.10.08 15:44:10 by klempie Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 67) :

    Oh the old worn-out ‘living in the past JW cop-out’ retort… you can do better than that can’t you, I don’t need to bring it up… go to http://www.irb.com to see the awards they gave him and the team in his first season with a motley crew sitting @ number 6 in the world…

  • Comment 69, posted at 30.10.08 02:42:46 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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