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Pierre Spies and Fourie du Preez appear to have the inside lane to start at No 8 and scrumhalf respectively for the Springboks in next Saturday’s Test against Wales at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff.

By Ashfak Mohamed

There had been much conjecture over who would wear the No 8 jersey after Sharks loose forward Ryan Kankowski displayed almost irresistible form during the Currie Cup.

Spies, however, has not been able to produce the same form he showed in Tests against England last year since being diagnosed with a blood-clotting illness, which forced him to withdraw from the World Cup squad.

At yesterday’s only practice session at UCT in the morning, after the afternoon practice had been cancelled, the Boks ran in team formations for the first time this week, with Spies running at No 8 in the “probables” team and Kankowski the opposing No 8.

Only towards the end of the session did Spies move to openside flank for Heinrich Brussow.

The Free State fetcher was standing in for Schalk Burger, who missed practice for the second day in a row with a hamstring niggle. Kankowski then packed down at No 8.

Spies was also at No 8 in the “probables” team during a scrumming session.

Spies certainly possesses greater physical qualities than Kankowski, which may give the Bulls star the advantage. The Boks are preparing themselves for a massive physical onslaught from Wales, Scotland and England, especially at scrum time.

Both coach Peter de Villiers and captain John Smit said this week that the expected wet and muddy conditions would mean that the Boks had to ensure that their first-phase play was in order.

“The tight five may need to work harder in the expected conditions,” said Smit.

“It is a short tour, and that will help with what we can bring to the party. It will come down to the physicality we can bring to the game, and getting over the advantage line.

“England, with (team manager) Martin Johnson there, will have a massive pack and their tight five will be strong. But from a video point of view, we’ll have a bit more because we play them last.”

De Villiers said that the Boks must adapt to any possible conditions.

“The (expected wet) conditions are not a concern at all. Rugby is played in all types of conditions. You prepare for a nice, sunny day, and then you get rain. It is rather about how our technical stuff will go, and we are focusing on that,” he said.

Du Preez ran at scrumhalf in the “probables” team yesterday, with Januarie his opponent. Du Preez missed the early part of the international season because of a hand injury sustained in the Super 14, making his comeback against Argentina, when he showed impressive form.

But he was not at his sharpest against the All Blacks at Newlands and the Wallabies in Johannesburg, although he showed glimpses of his best form in the Currie Cup.

Januarie was the hero for the Boks in the historic victory over the All Blacks in Dunedin, and was in terrific form until the Argentina Test, when he looked flat.

In a boost for the Boks, inside centre Jean de Villiers took full part in training yesterday after missing Wednesday’s session with a stomach bug.

Loose-head prop Tendai “Beast” Mtawarira sat out parts of the session and did some fitness work on his own, but then participated fully in a scrumming session.

De Villiers and Smit said that the off-field controversies about the Springbok emblem, the Luke Watson saga and the sex tape allegations against the Bok coach would not cause any disruption to the team.

“If you look at our performances on the field, then I agree with you (that we’ve been shaky). I think we should have won a few games that we didn’t win,” said De Villiers.

“That’s the only thing that matters. I was appointed on January 9 to coach rugby. There are people who were appointed after me who need to do the other stuff off the field, and they are busy with that. We will focus on what we have to do.”

Smit echoed his coach’s words.

“We didn’t win enough games this year, but we have these three Tests to end off the year. There are six Tests before we take on the Lions, and three are against teams whose players will make up the bulk of the Lions side,” he said.

“It would be naive of any of us to think that this tour is not important. We will go there to win games and try and create some momentum for next year.”

The Boks leave for the tour today.

Possible Springbok starting team against Wales: Conrad Jantjes, J P Pietersen, Adrian Jacobs, Jean de Villiers, Bryan Habana, Ruan Pienaar, Fourie du Preez, Pierre Spies, Juan Smith, Schalk Burger, Victor Matfield, Bakkies Botha, John Smit (capt), Bismarck du Plessis, Tendai Mtawarira.

Courtesy of IOL: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=4&art_id=vn20081031073016142C578616



104 Comments

  • Not a bad starting 15.

    Actually the same team I would use, except I would start with Kanko, but I guess there are 2 other games left for that.

    Bokke!

  • Comment 1, posted at 31.10.08 09:35:31 by chernaya akula - BS Reply
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  • @chernaya akula – BS (Comment 1) : I would have left Spies at home and taken someone with a brain and a pair of hands :)

  • Comment 2, posted at 31.10.08 10:09:36 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 2) : Sci-fi heads will argue that Artifical Intelligence counts as a brain. :lol:

  • Comment 3, posted at 31.10.08 10:18:12 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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  • @chernaya akula – BS (Comment 3) : they would be wrong :)

  • Comment 4, posted at 31.10.08 10:22:52 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • Why not Kanko @ 8, I”ll have to give PDV a call… :evil:

  • Comment 5, posted at 31.10.08 10:25:23 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 4) :

    Yeah they would be…
    I think the SPIES 1.0 is due for an upgrade.

    Anyway…I’m sure that even “it” can keep up with the Joneses…

  • Comment 6, posted at 31.10.08 10:32:44 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 2) : Probably being biased here, but imo Rossouw doesnt belong there. He’s probably there for his versatility, bt that does’nt hold water with Juan, Schalk & Spies (and Kanko) there. Wouldve taken Muller (xtra no. 5). And taking the opportunity, by u leavin Spies at home, i would vote Wolla.

  • Comment 7, posted at 31.10.08 10:37:58 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 7) : Agree on both scores

  • Comment 8, posted at 31.10.08 10:41:00 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 7) : @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 8) :

    Wolla needs some S14 action…I think his exclusion is for his own good. The last thing we need is to rush him into the international arena…and potentially hurt a very promising career.

    I see you guys have lost all hope on Spies…I haven’t. The man does make things happen when he’s on form…we can’t argue with that. And as hard as it is to believe…he’s only 23.

  • Comment 9, posted at 31.10.08 10:50:06 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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  • @chernaya akula – BS (Comment 9) : And as hard as it is to believe…he’s only 23.

    Its so easy to forget that.

  • Comment 10, posted at 31.10.08 10:52:29 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 10) : if he’s kak enough, he’s old enough

  • Comment 11, posted at 31.10.08 10:58:01 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • I would pick Danie.

  • Comment 12, posted at 31.10.08 10:58:07 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 12) : Danie Who, Danie Gerber :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 13, posted at 31.10.08 11:02:06 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 11) :
    :lol:
    He’s not kak…just a bit off form…and maybe this tour will be the ideal place to get his game back on track.

  • Comment 14, posted at 31.10.08 11:03:14 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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  • Spies shouldn’t even be there – Kanko and Vermulen should.

  • Comment 15, posted at 31.10.08 11:05:22 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Is’nt consistency a beter measure than ‘WHEN he fires’. Agree with rob, with the kak/old enuf. My Dad argues that he was on dope and ther was a discusion here on that here this week. He is but a shadow of what he was. Maybe HE should first go and hav a new crack at S14. And MorneN, why Danie?

  • Comment 16, posted at 31.10.08 11:05:56 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 16) : Morras is just stirring :) Danie is too slow to play lock even…

  • Comment 17, posted at 31.10.08 11:14:02 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 16) :

    Because he was the player of the tournament in 2006 on that tour. Conditions suits his strengths.

  • Comment 18, posted at 31.10.08 11:15:15 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 18) : but they changed the laws…

  • Comment 19, posted at 31.10.08 11:20:10 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • “Conditions suits his strengths.”

    Danie has strengths?????, Dysel – aka Rob’s Love Child, made him look like a school boy in the final.

  • Comment 20, posted at 31.10.08 11:20:22 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 20) : you mean Rob’s NEW Love Child…

  • Comment 21, posted at 31.10.08 11:22:36 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 20) : :grin: Yes he did…I don’t think he’s recovered from that.

  • Comment 22, posted at 31.10.08 11:25:36 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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  • @chernaya akula – BS (Comment 9) : if Brussouw is fine to play, Wolla should be too. i would love to see a statistic on how many balls Wolla stole on the ground this currie cup Agianst how many Brussouw and Stegman stole.

    One thing i think makes Wolla better than other flankers/ground players, is that he knows when to try and steal the ball and when to leave it… he ACTUALLY releases the ball when the refs ask him to, other than stegman…

  • Comment 23, posted at 31.10.08 11:25:46 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 16) :

    If it was that simple…Frans would’ve played the entire CC season…

    Don’t know about the dope. :neutral:

  • Comment 24, posted at 31.10.08 11:27:17 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 21) : New Love Child????, Maybe Second Love Child…tell me you haven’t forsaken Brad….especially now you can go watch him live at the park :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 31.10.08 11:31:42 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 23) : Brussouw who ??? :roll: That’s the one I could’ve left at home…

  • Comment 26, posted at 31.10.08 11:35:50 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 25) : nah – never :) You’re right.

    Sorry Brad

  • Comment 27, posted at 31.10.08 11:35:54 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 19) :

    Doesn’t seem to have changed much in the way they play Heiniken Cup.

    @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 20) :

    Key word – ‘conditions’.

    What was the conditions in the final and what will it be over in the UK?

  • Comment 28, posted at 31.10.08 12:12:37 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 28) : The final wasn’t exactly dry…

  • Comment 29, posted at 31.10.08 12:20:33 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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  • @chernaya akula – BS (Comment 29) :

    Well it was not Twickenham or Millenium stadium in the middle of a UK winter either…

  • Comment 30, posted at 31.10.08 12:25:28 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 30) :
    We’re taking him for the weather?
    Like ” I’ve got my scarf, my coat and my Danie…there I’m ready for the UK winter? “

  • Comment 31, posted at 31.10.08 12:32:28 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 30) : I think to much is made of the issue. Long studs and the games still rugby.

  • Comment 32, posted at 31.10.08 12:36:32 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 30) : it’s not THAT cold here. I recall Kanko doing just fine in these conditions last year…

  • Comment 33, posted at 31.10.08 12:50:34 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 33) : Worry not about Morne…hes got a case of Whites fever :lol:

  • Comment 34, posted at 31.10.08 12:57:22 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @chernaya akula – BS (Comment 31) :

    Don’t forget your thermals!

    You pick guys based on strengths. Danie has proved his worth in these conditions based on his strengths.

    @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 32) :

    Absolutely! Way too much is made of quite a number of issues. We will be just fine with Spies starting and Kanko coming off the wood which seems to be the case currently.

    @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 33) :

    He did have a very good debut.

    As Danie had a very good tour in 2006, a very decent World Cup in 2007 and Spies a very good early 2007.

  • Comment 35, posted at 31.10.08 13:00:14 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 34) :

    Hahaha.

    Ja, after pissing guys off on RW with my Pro-PDV approach I thought I come and give the Sharks some crap with their players who should all be Bokke now after a CC victory!

  • Comment 36, posted at 31.10.08 13:01:31 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 36) : Seems Bulls Fans and Sharks Fans are a lot closer than we realised :lol:

  • Comment 37, posted at 31.10.08 13:08:57 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 36) : Stirrer! :-)

  • Comment 38, posted at 31.10.08 13:10:00 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 37) : You guys obviously struggle to differentiate from so far back

  • Comment 39, posted at 31.10.08 13:11:14 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 39) : Yea it is hard. :lol:

  • Comment 40, posted at 31.10.08 13:14:10 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 37) :

    I am waiting for the new song as we speak!!! :)

  • Comment 41, posted at 31.10.08 13:29:59 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 35) :
    2006 is 2 years ago.

    De Wet Barry had a great 2005 – you have his number? :roll:

  • Comment 42, posted at 31.10.08 13:31:50 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 42) :

    No he faded in 2005, he had a decent 2004.

    Marius had a magnificent 2004, got injured quite a bit and put in a very decent 2007 for the Cheetahs before he moved off to Europe where he continues to play good rugby.

  • Comment 43, posted at 31.10.08 13:38:11 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 42) :

    BTW what is that thing I hear so often when it just suits people about class being permanent?

  • Comment 44, posted at 31.10.08 13:39:12 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 44) :
    Fair point – you will find it is similar to the refrain people sing about coaches failing to pick players who have proven themselves at every level in favour of those who they are merely familiar with.

    So Danie didnt fail dismally last year, and Spies looked extremely good when he was still on Herbal Life.

    Kankowski isn’t a flash in the pan – he has shown against opposition in every game he has played – at all levels.

    Please explain for me, in small words, what Spies or Danie has done this year that negates that?

  • Comment 45, posted at 31.10.08 13:49:02 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 45) : interesting, more and more people are starting to suggest the herbalife story

  • Comment 46, posted at 31.10.08 13:51:27 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 45) : Danie and Pierre can like to call Asteriks OOM while Ryan calls him DUDE.

  • Comment 47, posted at 31.10.08 14:01:45 by PJLD Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 46) : :?:

  • Comment 48, posted at 31.10.08 14:02:24 by PJLD Reply
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  • Greetings Gents,

    Been a while.

    Spies and Kanko both seem to be speciliast 8′s. By selecting both of them in the match 22 who covers 6 – a more specialist position imo. Covering 8 and 6 was Lukey’s forte

  • Comment 49, posted at 31.10.08 14:05:01 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • @saffa_bok (Comment 49) : Ahoy brudda

  • Comment 50, posted at 31.10.08 14:06:14 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 48) : That Spies lay off was actually steroid related and not a genetic defect as claimed. His condition is a well known side effect of steroid use.

  • Comment 51, posted at 31.10.08 14:06:17 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 51) : Oh fok,that story is as old as the hills, i thought he was actually on some proper pansy herbalife.

    Yeah fok, he was juicing like a west german female olympian.

  • Comment 52, posted at 31.10.08 14:08:48 by PJLD Reply
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  • @saffa_bok (Comment 49) :
    Luke’s forte is advertising anti-nausea medication and hot-pants.

    I ain’t saying Spies was on anything… I is just saying he aint the same player since then… :wink:

  • Comment 53, posted at 31.10.08 14:11:24 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 52) : :lol:

  • Comment 54, posted at 31.10.08 14:11:25 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 45) :

    Spies only started playing after a very long lay-off about midway through the S14.

    Danie has been shunted from lock to flank in a Bulls team hell bent on not adapting to the ELV’s.

    Kanko has been in good CC form. Better when compared to Danie and Spies.

    Difference is, Spies and Danie proved their worth where it mattered most, Kanko is yet to do that. He had a handful of international exposure and only 1 NH tour.

    You have 3 very good, very capable loosies.

    Rather than fighting on who is best lets be happy we have 3.

    The coach will pick the one he believes is best suited to his game-plan and conditions on the day.

    For me that is picking Kanko off the wood – but then I am not the coach.

  • Comment 55, posted at 31.10.08 14:11:26 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 53) : Insinuation would be a good word to describe that

  • Comment 56, posted at 31.10.08 14:11:53 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 50) :

    How you keeping my good man?

    See you also been keeping things busy on the WP-We-Are-Permanenmently-Opressed-ClubRugby forum

  • Comment 57, posted at 31.10.08 14:13:21 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 56) :
    :lol:

    @MorneN (Comment 55) :
    Kanko has been in good CC form? So I guess his S14 form was iffy?

    Come now, you excuse Spies based on a lay-off, but dont mention that Kanko came off a lay-off as well.

    Then you excuse Danie’s form based on the Bulls policies, but lets not forget that the Bulls are this seasons CC runners-up.

    I agree that we should be thankful that we have a number of loosies available, but I cannot agree with your logic.

  • Comment 58, posted at 31.10.08 14:16:02 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @saffa_bok (Comment 57) : I find sifting through the endless quoted responses to be somewhat theraputic.

    Ag I gotta keep my mind on WP or face being brainwashed by this lot, they have made their intentions to do that very known.Havent seen you causing any shyte in a while.

  • Comment 59, posted at 31.10.08 14:18:56 by PJLD Reply
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  • I share Morne’s sentiments. Would start with Danie and play Kanko off the bench. ELV’s or not, the first 50 minutes are a battle of attrition and few SA 8th men are better suited to this than Danie.

  • Comment 60, posted at 31.10.08 14:19:21 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • @PJLD (Comment 59) :

    Been keeping productive with work for the most part. The other, 3 letter site, seems to have lost some of its edge as of late. So been keeping me nose (fingers) clean

  • Comment 61, posted at 31.10.08 14:22:22 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • @saffa_bok (Comment 61) : Ja people seem to be on happy pills there at the moment,i think it has something to do with the presence of Morne and the absence of you and Dawn.

    You gonna stiekuit in the kaap anytime soon?Gala and WestEnd anniversary celebrations this month bru :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 31.10.08 14:24:29 by PJLD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 58) :
    Spot on.
    Kanko had a smashing S14…I believe he was on all the “Best of” S14 teams around the world. In fact…I can’t remember the last time he wasn’t the shiznit…that’s how far back it was.

  • Comment 63, posted at 31.10.08 14:25:27 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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  • @chernaya akula – BS (Comment 63) : Look Spies will play himself out of the starting 22, if his game lifts then good for him and good for us.

    Jake persisted with De Wet and Marius for while after they became ineffective in the hope they would play themselves back into form.Didnt happen and now we have Jean and Jacque/Adi.

  • Comment 64, posted at 31.10.08 14:28:56 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 62) :

    Funny you should mention Dawn. It was the likes of her, Katman, Skopskiet, etc that added the sheer insanity I so enjoyed.

    Oh well, just another 2 weeks before the next test and all hell will break loose over there again. Reckon i’ll start getting me Pro-PdV material ready :twisted:

  • Comment 65, posted at 31.10.08 14:32:11 by saffa_bok Reply

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  • @PJLD (Comment 64) :
    Yeah…like everything else…let’s see how it works out.

    On a lighter note…I heard THE HULK is going to some Halloween party dressed as ScHULK Burger… :lol:

  • Comment 66, posted at 31.10.08 14:34:16 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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  • @saffa_bok (Comment 65) : Your nickname can be saffa_bok-ThankYouPeteDiveforSnottingEnglandatTwickenham

  • Comment 67, posted at 31.10.08 14:37:33 by PJLD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 58) :

    No he had a good S14 too.

    Spies did not have a full S14, had intense medical treatment, was not allowed to run for god knows how long.

    Danie did not play 8.

    Yet, both Spies and Danie did SA proud at 8 especially in the NH.

    Forgot the WC already?

  • Comment 68, posted at 31.10.08 14:59:25 by MorneN Reply
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  • But maak die Sharks maar almal Bokke…

  • Comment 69, posted at 31.10.08 15:01:28 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 68) :
    No, I havent.

    But I believe that you can never know what a player is capable of until you play him – same reason that I am keeping quiet on the Rose selection I cannot understand.

    @MorneN (Comment 69) :
    Expected a better argument really, but sure, easy way to dismiss a point of view you cant agree with – I’ll wait for the FJELN! any moment now. :wink:

  • Comment 70, posted at 31.10.08 15:08:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 70) :

    You will wait for the what???

    Point is quite simple.

    Games in heavy conditions, against NH teams is all about trench warfare in the first 40 to 60.

    If I am going into a game like that, I want my guys suited for that type of game.

    Let the Kanko’s off this world come in the last 20 when things are not so tight.

    Similarly, if we play NZ at Loftus, give me Kanko any day above anyone else.

    His strengths are best suited for that situation.

    Horses for courses – quite simple.

  • Comment 71, posted at 31.10.08 15:11:10 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 70) :

    Oh and on Rose – kak selection, nothing more to be said really.

  • Comment 72, posted at 31.10.08 15:11:52 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 72) : You know the messed up thing about all of this is Rose is going to come on against England and have a blinder, i just fekking know it.

  • Comment 73, posted at 31.10.08 15:13:22 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 73) :

    Haha, you are probably right dude!

  • Comment 74, posted at 31.10.08 15:15:00 by MorneN Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 73) : Its a kak selection but if this is the case then so be it . :lol:

  • Comment 75, posted at 31.10.08 15:15:20 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 75) : FULLY!Ill be laughing at myself thinking ” yoh i hate this [email protected]! but GO EARL!

  • Comment 76, posted at 31.10.08 15:16:39 by PJLD Reply
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  • Australia and New Zealand rugby chiefs said on Friday they were considering scrapping future European tours in protest against the second-string Test teams that visit their countries.

    Australia’s John O’Neill and New Zealand’s Steve Tew said they would raise the prospect at a meeting of top rugby nations on November 11.

    Both countries are angry at northern hemisphere nations sending below-par touring teams, hitting ticket sales and depriving them of much-needed revenue.

    “In my personal view, our point of leverage is we don’t go north,” O’Neill said ahead of the historic Bledisloe Cup match.

    “What I’m saying is the integrity of international Test rugby relies on everyone playing by the rules,” he said.

    “If there comes a time when the northern hemisphere don’t comply with the regulations and send their best team south, and we suffer the consequences of a downturn in gate and a downturn in popularity of the game, we might say, ‘don’t come in June and we will come if you pay us’.”

    Tew said axing the tours was possible in the “medium term.

    He said New Zealand remain incensed at the poor French team that visited in 2007, despite having agreed to bring their best players.

    France also toured Australia this year missing a number of front-line stars, while Wales were whitewashed in 2007 and England showed little resistance against New Zealand in June. O’Neill pointed to statistics that showed Australia and New Zealand have a much better touring record than European teams, suggesting they bring their best personnel.

    Both Australia and New Zealand are embarking on European tours at nearly full strength after the Bledisloe tie.

    “Twickenham, Millennium Stadium, Lansdowne Road, Croke Park and Murrayfield will all be full, and why? Because the Springboks, Wallabies and the All Blacks will all be there, full strength,” O’Neill said.

  • Comment 77, posted at 31.10.08 15:16:54 by barend Reply

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  • yo yo yo…

  • Comment 78, posted at 31.10.08 15:16:58 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 72) :
    @PJLD (Comment 73) :
    Murphy does have a sense of humour. :twisted:

    @MorneN (Comment 71) :
    Dont worry about it.

    Horses for courses I agree on.

    Big, hard-driving 8, to counter wet, slow conditions and a potentially weak pack, I agree on.

    That Danie or Spies offer that of late, I disagree on.

    See – no need to martyr yourself Look X style just yet.

    I can hardly wait until you tell me that Nic Koster should play 8th man… :wink:

  • Comment 79, posted at 31.10.08 15:18:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 76) : lol kind of like supporting the sharks v the bulls. uneasy nauseating sensation :lol:

  • Comment 80, posted at 31.10.08 15:18:22 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 80) :
    No worries man – that uneasy, nauseating sensation, so unknown to you, is actually the butterflies that you get when your team beats the Bulls – no wonder you WP lads don’t recognise it. :twisted:

  • Comment 81, posted at 31.10.08 15:20:56 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 81) : :neutral:

    Its true, and so sad.

  • Comment 82, posted at 31.10.08 15:21:53 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 79) :

    Are you crazy.

    Saying Nick Koster should play will be like saying Deysel needs to play or Frans Steyn need to be selected ahead of Jean!

    Of late?

    People have written Danie off for 4 years now.

    Every year he comes through when it counts, and he keeps on getting selected.

    Says something of supporters opinions and the coaches – especially those coaches that wins World Cups…

  • Comment 83, posted at 31.10.08 15:23:11 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 83) : Is he your love child?

    He has his moments, but he makes up for those by having some of the worst hands in the business.

  • Comment 84, posted at 31.10.08 15:24:31 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 84) :

    Seems everyone has one so I adopted Danie.

    Also always had a soft spot for die sonskyn klas kinners.

  • Comment 85, posted at 31.10.08 15:25:34 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 83) :
    Calm down Morne – its what we in the biz call a j-o-k-e.

    Even a coach who won a WC ended up dropping Breyton Paulse, De Wet Barry and Marius Joubert.

    A good coach is not right all the time, and neither is a bad coach wrong all the time.

    Jake also picked Jaco the Baptist.

    You think we should hold a revival and ask him to come preach and play for the Boks?

  • Comment 86, posted at 31.10.08 15:28:27 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 85) :
    The way you are going on about Danie, I suspect that that spot stopped being soft a long time ago… :twisted:

  • Comment 87, posted at 31.10.08 15:29:49 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 86) :

    I am nothing but calm dude – I just don’t insert smileys, maybe I should.

    Hey at least Jaco has a 3N and S14 medal…

    Preach on brother.

  • Comment 88, posted at 31.10.08 15:30:17 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 87) :

    You should see how some blue bull supporters go on about him…

    Almost as scary as the one sharky on RW!

  • Comment 89, posted at 31.10.08 15:31:29 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 87) : :lol:

  • Comment 90, posted at 31.10.08 15:31:48 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Right folks. a good weekend to all. If you traveling do it safetly, if you drinking , make sure they cold

  • Comment 91, posted at 31.10.08 15:36:52 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 88) :
    I know that – you are being an easy target today. :mrgreen:

    Even Hitler sold some artworks and wrote a bestselling book.

    @MorneN (Comment 89) :
    Dont be too hard on a shark that hangs around RW – he is bound to have issues. :twisted:

  • Comment 92, posted at 31.10.08 15:37:16 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 91) :

    Cheers dude.

    @Big Fish (Comment 92) :

    Must be the kak italian beer i am drinking again!

    Nah he can take care of himself.

    He is like Stan only a Shark – but quite funny!

  • Comment 93, posted at 31.10.08 15:39:26 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 71) : surely you know what FJ!ELN! means? :)

  • Comment 94, posted at 31.10.08 15:40:29 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 91) :
    Jah be with I and I.

  • Comment 95, posted at 31.10.08 15:41:17 by Big Fish Reply
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  • the RW Shark came over here at one stage, but I guess he didn’t find it to his liking. He’s a well-connected guy…

  • Comment 96, posted at 31.10.08 15:43:31 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 91) : cheerio , saucey

  • Comment 97, posted at 31.10.08 15:44:27 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • I need a drink.
    Cant run so ill just “carbo load”

  • Comment 98, posted at 31.10.08 15:47:08 by PJLD Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 93) : You need a milk stout or some umqomboti or something dude.

  • Comment 99, posted at 31.10.08 15:48:16 by PJLD Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 96) :

    You guys are too soft here!

    And no I have no clue what that means.

  • Comment 100, posted at 31.10.08 15:49:08 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 100) : we’re friendly, is all!

    It means, “F&k jou! Ek loop nou!”

    Typical RW response when someone disagrees with you :)

  • Comment 101, posted at 31.10.08 15:52:32 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 101) :

    Aaahhh Okay – will try that next time someone gives me kak on RW.

  • Comment 102, posted at 31.10.08 15:53:57 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 100) : :shock: YOU LIE!!!

  • Comment 103, posted at 31.10.08 16:02:15 by PJLD Reply
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  • Maak the SHARKIES almal BOKKE!

  • Comment 104, posted at 01.11.08 10:22:21 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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