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Why Bakkies is best for Boks


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 5 Nov 2008 at 06:49

South African coach Peter de Villiers, saying that he has planned for “all eventualities”, feels that it is better to start with a ‘half fit’ Bakkies Botha than bringing him on as a replacement.

Rugby 365 reports that Botha has been included in the Springbok starting line-up for the World Cup holders’ Test against Wales at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff on Saturday.

It had been thought that De Villiers would omit Botha, one of the stars of the side that beat England in last year’s World Cup Final in Paris, because of a lack of match fitness.

But Botha will once again be alongside Victor Matfield in the second row – for a record 43rd Test.

His inclusion came as a major surprise just a day after Bok team doctor Craig Roberts told the media Botha would not be able to last more than 20 or 30 minutes on the pitch – given the lock had been out since August 9 with a knee injury sustained against Argentina.

Botha was named for the three-Test trip to the United Kingdom after overcoming two serious injuries in the past 12 months.

He underwent surgery after injuring his ankle in the Springboks’ encounter with Wales in Cardiff last November.

Having finally worked his way back to full fitness in the latter stages of the Super 14 and then the first half of the Tri-Nations, Botha damaged his posterior knee ligaments in a Test against Argentina in August.

However, the Bok coach was adamant that starting with Botha – despite the obvious risk that the lock could break down again – was the best way to go.

“He looks to be in good shape and we’re prepared to take a chance with him in the starting line-up. We’ll see how he does,” De Villiers told a media gathering in Cardiff on Tuesday.

“We are prepared if we have to take him off and we’re prepared for all eventualities.”

The Bok coach said the risk is “greater” if they send Botha on as a substitute.

“If we start with him and something goes wrong, we can replace him. It could turn out to be problematic if Botha has to depart earlier than planned.”

Andries Bekker will then join Victor Matfield in the second row.

The other topic of debate on Tuesday was the widely anticipated move of captain John Smit from hooker to tighthead prop – to accommodate the in-form Bismarck du Plessis.

“It’s a major challenge for me, and one I am looking forward to,” the Bok captain, Smit, said.

“I’m aware I’m coming up against a strong loosehead in Gethin [Jenkins] and he’s likely to be a tough opponent. But that’s what makes the challenge greater.”

Thirteen of the 22 players that were involved in last year’s November Test against Wales at the Millennium Stadium have been included on Tuesday.

“Such experience is a tremendous advantage. The players have been together for a long time,” said Smit.

“The experience does not only stretch to last year. We have played here a couple of times.”

Matfield has no doubt that Smit will be up to the task.

“John has heaps of experience. He also played in France, where the scrumming is tougher than anywhere else in world rugby,” said Matfield.



46 Comments

  • Sounds reasonable to me…

  • Comment 1, posted at 05.11.08 07:47:48 by chernaya akula - BS Reply
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  • A 80% fit Bakkies are surely better then a 100% Papsak :roll:

  • Comment 2, posted at 05.11.08 07:50:14 by Charlie Reply
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  • @chernaya akula – BS (Comment 1) :

    It does?… :twisted:

  • Comment 3, posted at 05.11.08 07:51:35 by Ice Sharkadelic Babe Reply
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  • “feels that it is better to start with a ‘half fit’ Bakkies Botha than bringing him on as a replacement.”

    Sorry at this level… a half-fit Bakkies is not a better option than a fully fit Johan Muller or Danie… particularly with England to come…

  • Comment 4, posted at 05.11.08 08:15:06 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @Ice Sharkadelic Babe (Comment 3) : Hi Ice…yeah it really does. Sometimes you don’t have to wait for your star player to be 100% fit.

    They’ll throw him in…and if things don’t go well after 20-30 mins they can bring on the “fully-fit” guy to play the rest of the 50-60 mins. This way they’ll be able to tell exactly how far he’s progressed with his recovery. Bringing him on in the last 20 minutes was not going to achieve anything.

    @bryce_in_oz (Comment 4) : I don’t think Johan is in PdV’s plans. it’s not fair but it’s reality. Coaches tend to pick a small pool of players they believe in and prefer working with them. Bakkies is in that pool…Johan is not. SAD – but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

  • Comment 5, posted at 05.11.08 08:29:41 by chernaya akula - BS Reply

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  • @chernaya akula – BS (Comment 5) :

    Why dont you start a wikipedia with that essay… :roll: :wink:

    Was just jokin’ wit chu… :grin:

  • Comment 6, posted at 05.11.08 08:34:31 by Ice Sharkadelic Babe Reply
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  • @chernaya akula – BS (Comment 5) :

    Sorry mate but that first part of your post to Ice is EXACTLY what got Bakkies injured the last time…

    As for Muller… he’s just outside the squad according to PDV…

  • Comment 7, posted at 05.11.08 08:36:03 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • I agree, someone has to carry that passenger Matfield.

  • Comment 8, posted at 05.11.08 08:39:45 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 7) : He looks to be in good shape

    So it’s not like he is limping around. His body has recovered but I assume the only reason they say he is not 100% fit is due to lack of “match-fitness”. The only way he will get that back is if they put him on the field and make him play for as long as his body can go…not chilling on the bench and coming on in the final 20 minutes.

  • Comment 9, posted at 05.11.08 08:53:34 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply

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  • @Ice Sharkadelic Babe (Comment 6) : you’ve just given me an idea. :idea:

  • Comment 10, posted at 05.11.08 08:54:14 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 7) : Sure- if one of PdV’s locks gets injured Johan will probably get a sniff…but right now none of them are…so there’s no place for him.

    (If I was the coach I would’ve squeezed him in somehow though :sad: )

  • Comment 11, posted at 05.11.08 09:02:27 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply

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  • @chernaya akula – B.O.! (Comment 11) :

    Why the B.O.?

  • Comment 12, posted at 05.11.08 09:10:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 12) : B—– O—- … :wink:

  • Comment 13, posted at 05.11.08 09:12:39 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply

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  • @chernaya akula – B.O.! (Comment 13) :

    Geez , but you are full of opionions and busy today! :lol: You running all over the site and post±! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 05.11.08 09:34:03 by Ice Sharkadelic Babe Reply
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  • Yeah I figured as much but just couldn’t figure what the O was for.

    You used to be Black Sharks
    No you are Black Ou? :smile:

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.11.08 09:34:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) :
    :mrgreen:

    Chernaya Akula = Black Shark… :wink:

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.11.08 09:36:48 by Ice Sharkadelic Babe Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) : Ha ha ha … just honouring the man of the day in the most subtle way possible…

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.11.08 09:46:29 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply

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  • @Ice Sharkadelic Babe (Comment 16) :

    Yeah Ice’y

    That’s one beautiful piece of machinery… :cool:

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.11.08 09:47:54 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply

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  • @chernaya akula – B.O.! (Comment 18) :

    At least i am clever enough to use it! :wink:

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.11.08 09:50:28 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 19) :

    LOL…I am talking bout the wrong machine!! Domkopff!! :lol:

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.11.08 09:53:40 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • Am well chuffed about the BO thing :)

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.11.08 09:54:19 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 21) :

    Reckon most of us R!! :grin:

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.11.08 09:55:21 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • If the guy is not 100% match fit then they are stuffing around with him – simple. Im sure the Bulls and the rest of the SA public will be very chuffed if they manage to crock him because of blatant stupidity.

  • Comment 23, posted at 05.11.08 10:47:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • What’s BO? :?:

  • Comment 24, posted at 05.11.08 10:58:35 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 24) :

    Barack Obama

  • Comment 25, posted at 05.11.08 11:05:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 24) :

    David Axlerod… political strategist and mastermind par excellence….

  • Comment 26, posted at 05.11.08 11:07:41 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 25) : Who does he play for? :wink: :lol:

  • Comment 27, posted at 05.11.08 11:10:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 27) :
    The Democrat Donkeys.

  • Comment 28, posted at 05.11.08 11:15:41 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 27) :

    His team wears blue. :razz:

  • Comment 29, posted at 05.11.08 11:16:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 23) :

    Same scenario as the last time he got injured…

  • Comment 30, posted at 05.11.08 11:16:39 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 28) :

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) :

    So if we combine those two it is the Blue Donkeys. Not to be confused with another blue team full of Jackasses :razz:

  • Comment 31, posted at 05.11.08 11:17:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) :
    :lol:

  • Comment 32, posted at 05.11.08 11:22:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I’m also happy OB won. Hopefully SP goes back to Alaska now and we never hear from her again.

  • Comment 33, posted at 05.11.08 11:23:19 by McLovin Reply

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  • Hello Sammy and Rachel! Long time!

  • Comment 34, posted at 05.11.08 11:24:46 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 33) :

    Reason?? and think carefuully before you answer… :wink:

  • Comment 35, posted at 05.11.08 11:26:02 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • “Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.” Douglas Adams

  • Comment 36, posted at 05.11.08 11:26:37 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 27) : LOL ! :lol: The B.O.kke…

  • Comment 37, posted at 05.11.08 11:31:20 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply

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  • Hello Icey.
    Whats with the Bébé de Glace. Have you come under the spell of Freds magic wand or what?

  • Comment 38, posted at 05.11.08 11:39:30 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 35) : Hello Ice. I have various reasons, but to avoid the risk of getting to political or offending anyone I’ll simply say that she is not qualified to run a country. :smile:

  • Comment 39, posted at 05.11.08 11:47:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 38) :

    Oui… je parle la langue de l’amour ! :cool:

  • Comment 40, posted at 05.11.08 11:49:42 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 39) :

    I was hoping it has to do with that and not the fact that it’s a she… :twisted:

  • Comment 41, posted at 05.11.08 11:50:29 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 41) : Never. :smile: I’m all in favour of having more women in charge. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 05.11.08 11:54:05 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 42) :

    Would that include you? :lol:

  • Comment 43, posted at 05.11.08 11:55:20 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 40) :
    I love it when you talk foreign.

  • Comment 44, posted at 05.11.08 11:56:04 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 44) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 45, posted at 05.11.08 11:57:33 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 43) : hehehe. :razz:

  • Comment 46, posted at 05.11.08 12:01:44 by McLovin Reply

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