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SARU may not release Boks to Barbarians


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 9 Nov 2008 at 19:03

The plans of six Springbok players to play under former Springbok coach Jake White for the Barbarians could be scuppered as SA Rugby has not released them for the game.

SuperRugby reports that SA Rugby has warned that it has not given permission for the six to play for the Barbarians against Australia at Wembley next month.

SA Rugby’s acting managing director Andy Marinos confirmed to Afrikaans Sunday newspaper Sondag that the organisation had not given permission for the players to play, and as things now stand there would be no Springboks participating.

The six players in question are captain John Smit, winger Bryan Habana, centre Jean de Villiers, scrumhalf Fourie du Preez, flanker Schalk Burger and lock Victor Matfield.

Marinos said there had been no request from the Barbarians for the players to be part of the festival game, and therefore no players had been released to play.

“Its unbelievable,” Marinos said, “Up to this moment nobody from the Barbarians has picked up a phone to call us and ask for permission. It seems that they have approached the players directly to join them for the game.

“SA Rugby has not given permission at this time and as the players are contracted to us they need to be given permission before they can play. The decision is in the hands of Springbok coach Peter de Villiers who will make a call within the next 10 days after he has personally consulted the players.”

While Marinos admitted SA Rugby had asked for insurance guarantees if the players were injured in the game, he denied that there was any malice in the decision.

“We have to make decisions on purely rugby grounds. At the moment the British and Irish Lions tour next year is our first priority and there is a question about the amount of rest the players need to have before joining their Super 14 franchises. We will make the decision on rugby grounds.”

The newspaper also reported that De Villiers and former Bok coach Jake White – who will coach the Barbarians – clashed behind the scenes about the refusal to release the players. White was allegedly unhappy with the decision.

Marinos said in response that “Jake needs to remember that he also refused permission for players to play for the Barbarians when he was coach.”

White was unavailable for comment.



40 Comments

  • They should release them,if the players want to play

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.11.08 19:18:46 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply
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  • @Bok-Clyde-Kiwi (Comment 1) : I’m in two minds. What if we lose Smit, Burger or Matfield to a serious knee injury, or something? Could have big implications for the Lions series

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.11.08 19:24:01 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 2) :

    You can’t spend your life worrying about a player maybe getting injured though.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.11.08 19:26:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) : Yeah, but if you’re paying his salary, you have the right to withhold his services. It’s like letting someone else take your ferrari for a spin

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.11.08 19:41:18 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • Where does the money from the Barbarians games go?

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.11.08 21:06:14 by beez Reply

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  • @beez (Comment 5) : Good question. I have no idea

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.11.08 22:23:00 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 2) :

    Freak accident aside, injuries tend to develop over time and if a knee was to go then it would probably have gone in the next game or the next big tackle or the next scrum etc.

    And freakish accidents where players break bones or clash heads could happen at anytime and dont always relate to the amount of rugby you’re playing.
    Ask the likes of Chester with his two knee injuries (left and right knee) in just a few minutes of rugby spread over two seasons!
    Andre Snyman was another who was freakishly unlucky with Jonny Wilkinson being another obvious example.

    If the players want to play then let them. It’s not as if there are loads of these games every year. They come around once a year or so and it’s a great honour to be asked.
    And anyway, if NZ is willing to risk Richie McCaw…

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.11.08 23:08:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 6) : If it is just a cash cow for the individual players and whoever organises the show then I do see the point in not letting them play. If it is used for amateur clubs, charity or whatever then yes indeedy let them play.
    @VinChainSaw (Comment 7) :
    You are right, in sport and life S*** happens, and you can never be sure when BUT playing rugby at least one player from either side is going to be injured so there is a decent chance of one of the barbarians being injured and affecting their home team.

    That being said I don;t know where i stand on this and could argue either way.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.11.08 23:35:57 by beez Reply

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  • Kak attitude from SARU, this is one of the great things in any rugby players career, you become part of a history that is large within the game.

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.11.08 09:34:19 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Was looking forward to seeing Burger , McCaw, Collins with Koster on the bench… not to mention Williams and Habana on the wings etc etc…

    Can’t remember the last time I actually looked forward to a Baa-Baas game…

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.11.08 10:55:53 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 10) : you remember the one in 91 against Scotland? Wahl Bartmann, Andre Joubert, Guy Kebble… all immense that day

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.11.08 10:58:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • I have mixed feelings about this.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.11.08 11:00:22 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) :

    You have superb memory…I cant even remember how old I was in ’91..oh, wait…I was 6! :twisted:

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.11.08 11:06:33 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 12) : I’m also undecided. Should be an awesome to see them playing though

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.11.08 11:07:31 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 14) : You would think all these great players thrown together should be good. But, not to sound too negative, the players are hardly going to be putting their bodies on the line and it’s just a bit of a run around for all concerned.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.11.08 11:13:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 13) : are you old enough to be blogging here? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.11.08 11:18:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) :

    Yes!! i turned legal a few years ago!! :cool:

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.11.08 11:19:03 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) :

    BTW…with Paarlboks’ Friday Funnies…is anyone old enough to be blogging here?? :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.11.08 11:20:11 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 18) : also true :)

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.11.08 11:36:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • “Its unbelievable,” Marinos said, “Up to this moment nobody from the Barbarians has picked up a phone to call us and ask for permission. It seems that they have approached the players directly to join them for the game.

    I think this is the key point of this debate.
    I would feel disrespected too if I was SARU.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.11.08 14:15:50 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply

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  • @chernaya akula – B.O.! (Comment 20) : do unto others… :)

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.11.08 14:40:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @chernaya akula – B.O.! (Comment 20) :

    But the artcle then goes on to say. Marinos admitted SA Rugby had asked for insurance guarantees if the players were injured in the game, he denied that there was any malice in the decision

    So there was at some stage communication if it got to the point of them wanting insurance assurances………. NOW suddenly they are saying nobody asked them………

    Bunch of little boys acting up IMO.

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.11.08 16:22:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 22) : oh THERE you are :)

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.11.08 16:42:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : In Jeddah Airport travelling back to the EP

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.11.08 17:14:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Well if no one asked for them to be released…how did Pieter refuse and him and Jake have a clash about it!??!
    Plus SARU ask for insurance?????

    Am I missing something?

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.11.08 17:16:16 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) : EP?

    @Hmmm (Comment 25) : probably. How did your phone call with Manie Reynecke go? :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.11.08 17:29:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) :

    Eastern province. (Home)

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.11.08 17:46:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Don’t forget your predictions people, the Guinness Premiership starts up again this weekend. :grin:

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.11.08 18:06:23 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 28) : :shock:

    I thought it was only after the tests?

    I didn’t believe you and DID go and check quickly. :oops:

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.11.08 18:08:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Its unbelievable,” Marinos said, “Up to this moment nobody from the Barbarians has picked up a phone to call us and ask for permission. It seems that they have approached the players directly to join them for the game.

    Begs the question..have they ever asked Saru in previous Barbarian games..

    This This smacks of spiting Jake..childish really.Strange that this has never been a issue before..ever.

    If they indeed have asked previously then I take it back and question why they weren’t informed.

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.11.08 18:09:33 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 30) :

    But that then leads to my comment above. SARU went as far as to ask for insurance assurances, and now suddenly they are saying nobody asked.

    Seems like they are LOOKING for an excuse not to release the players.

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.11.08 18:11:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) : I don’t blame you. :razz:

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.11.08 18:12:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 27) : ah. Like Luke

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.11.08 18:13:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 30) : I don’t think has got many (any) friends in SARU. Unfortunate & unnecessary.

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.11.08 18:14:23 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 34) : ‘Jake White’ should be added in my sentence somewhere. :roll:

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.11.08 18:15:46 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :

    I’ll luke the other way before I puke on that comment. :smile:

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.11.08 18:15:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 32) :

    It’s that WPish picture of your that cast doubt in my mind. :razz: :razz: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.11.08 18:17:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • boarding in a bit so will be logging off soon.

    Byeeeeeeee

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.11.08 18:26:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 38) : Safe travels.

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.11.08 18:30:32 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 39) :

    They were safe :wink:

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.11.08 06:29:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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