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Bok game-plan in the spotlight


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 12 Nov 2008 at 07:21

Rugby365 columnist Steve Farrell analyses the ‘new’ game-plan that Springbok coach Peter de Villiers keeps talking about.

The Springboks got their tour off to the desired start against Wales, albeit in nerve-racking style, but it’s the type of game that they intend on playing that has me confused.

The 20-15 win was by no means spectacular. In fact, the Boks sat back in the second half and did most of the defending. A Jean de Villiers trademark intercept was the saving grace for the visitors in the end.

Bok coach Peter de Villiers has insisted that he wants his team to play attacking rugby, but what exactly constitutes attacking rugby? Is it running the ball willy-nilly from your own 22? Or is it a mixture of intelligent play and off-the-cuff flair? I’m not so sure De Villiers knows either.

The Boks’ game-plan on the weekend was the correct one. Ruan Pienaar kept his pack going forward with some good tactical kicking, and there was no suicidal stuff to speak of.

To win Test matches on a regular basis, a prudent approach is needed. Generally speaking, South African rugby players are fairly conservative, compared to the likes of the All Blacks. But this must not be seen as a disadvantage. Quite the opposite in fact. Yes, running the ball from behind your poles might be good to watch, but it won’t get you very far… just ask Earl Rose!

It seems to me that the senior players in the Bok squad want to continue with the Jake White legacy, and seem reluctant to change to a more attacking style of play. You can’t really blame them, can you?

They have a World Cup winners medal on their mantelpiece. Os du Randt has two.

Richie McCaw has never played in a World Cup Final. You do the maths. The Boks thrive on turnover ball and back their defence to win them games. There is nothing wrong with that as far as I’m concerned. If it ain’t broke, why fix it?

The Boks are blessed with some truly unbelievable rugby players. Players that can turn a match with a moment of brilliance in an instance. That is instinct, it cannot be coached into a player when he is 25, 26 years of age. Yes, they can improve, but forcing a player to do something that he isn’t comfortable with is not the solution. The Boks need to stick with what has worked for them over a number of years. Defensive systems are so good nowadays, you cannot afford to just run it without building a platform. You need to mix and match your play.

There is no doubt at all that South Africa has the necessary personnel to play attacking rugby, but it requires a paradigm shift more than anything else. In this country, players are crucified for having a bad game. One mistake and everyone is on their case. It’s no wonder they are scared to try something new in a Test match. If the public want to see running rugby, they must understand that players will make errors, it’s the nature of the sport. High risk equals high reward, but it can also lead to disaster.

Personally I prefer a measured approach. Winning a Test match is what matters most.

Yes, you need to score tries to win, but tries will come with a sound platform to work off and breaking down the opposition defence phase by phase. In the Tri-Nations the Boks seemed impatient and looked as if they wanted to score off first phase every time. That doesn’t happen often in modern day rugby. The Boks will lose more than they win against quality opposition if they fail to implement the necessary structures.

Peter de Villiers needs to be complimented on the selection of Ruan Pienaar at No.10. The former scrumhalf can kick off both feet – he showed us that in Cardiff, he can run, he can tackle, and he can pass. He has the potential to be a great flyhalf and boy, do the Boks need a great flyhalf! With Butch James seemingly nearing the end of his career, Pienaar has the opportunity to cement his place in the side – something he has failed to do over the last few years. He needs time though. Eighty minutes on Saturday was enough to show that he can make it at No.10, but it’s not going to happen overnight.

The good news is that Sharks coach John Plumtree has said that Pienaar with play flyhalf for the Currie Cup champions next year, which is a step in the right direction.

Looking ahead to the Scotland game, I can’t see them posing much of a problem for the Boks. They were very average against the All Blacks and I’d except the Boks to have an easier time of things than they did against Wales.

I risk sounding like a broken record, but I’d like to see Ryan Kankowski start on Saturday. Pierre Spies failed to impress once again and was hauled off after 50 minutes. Kankowski didn’t do much when on the park, but South Africa spent most of that time defending. He needs a good run at No.8 to prove his worth and I reckon Scotland would be the ideal platform for the Sharks No.8 to show what he can do.

Otherwise I’d keep the rest of the team as is. I was very impressed with JP Pietersen’s work-rate on Saturday. His defence was superb and he looked for work. He really has turned over a new leaf since being dropped for being ‘too fat’.

On the other hand, I’m concerned about Bryan Habana. He just doesn’t seem to be the player he was last year. Whether he’s lost a touch of pace remains to be seen, but he was anonymous on the weekend. he made one great turnover but was a non-entity on attack. South Africa desperately needs him back to his best. Lets hope it starts at Murrayfield – a place where he burst onto the international scene with two scorching tries.



115 Comments

  • Are you sure Gavin Rich ain’t the author of this article???

    :shock:

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.11.08 08:59:44 by wpw Reply
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  • It seems to me that the senior players in the Bok squad want to continue with the Jake White legacy, and seem reluctant to change to a more attacking style of play. You can’t really blame them, can you?

    Article spoiler – where’s the evidence for this? :evil:

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.11.08 09:01:59 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • The Boks have evolved past the stage where a gameplan is required. Gameplans are for the weak

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.11.08 09:04:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Kamov Ka50 – blckshrk (Comment 2) : EXACTLY!! :roll:

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.11.08 09:06:19 by wpw Reply
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  • @Kamov Ka50 – blckshrk (Comment 2) : Victor probably told him that :-)

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.11.08 09:09:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : Bwa ha ha ha…

    If it aint broke,why fix it?

    It seems we have another guy here who seems to think that winning the World Cup every 12 years means it ain’t broke. I hate people with low ambitions. :neutral:

    Bokke to tear Scotland into pieces!!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.11.08 09:48:05 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • Happy birthday domsmooth —

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.11.08 09:49:21 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) :

    Victoria is probably sad about not being in the Captains spotlight anymore, so now he is practising for after retirement, ala Krige & Co. :evil:

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.11.08 10:08:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Kamov Ka50 – blckshrk (Comment 7) :

    Is he on here??

    Happy happy Dom! :grin:

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.11.08 10:17:33 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • domsmooth = Bulls supporter

    Judging by the moniker… :shock:

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.11.08 10:19:13 by wpw Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 9) :

    Look next to the poll on the side of your screen. :wink:

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.11.08 10:19:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 9) :
    He hasn’t logged on for yonks…probably still celebrating the CC. :mrgreen:

    @wpw (Comment 10) : :evil: He is a SHARK thru n thru…bru…

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.11.08 10:39:23 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • You guys and your infatuation with Big Vic are starting to concern me.

    BTW how good was he last Saturday.

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.11.08 10:48:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • So everytime the Boks play ‘conservative’ it’s known as Jake White style.

    When we lose it’s because of PdV free running game plan.

    When we smashed Aus by 50 it was because we first laid the foundation with the Jake White plan.

    Seems poor Mr De Villiers just can’t win.

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.11.08 10:54:03 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 14) : Something like that ja

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.11.08 10:56:23 by PJLD Reply
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  • Edinburg. – Vir ’n man wat nog net agt rugbytoetse agter die blad het, het Tendai “Beast” Mtawarira reeds diep spore getrap.

    Hy het gister gebieg dat sy bynaam reeds voldoende is wanneer hy ’n tafel by ’n restaurant bespreek.

    “Ek noem myself ‘Mr Beast’ wanneer ek bel. Dit werk,” het Mtawarira geskerts nadat hy hieroor by die Bokke se mediakonferensie uitgevra is.

    Die Beast-fenomeen word net al hoe groter en as die reaksie van die Skotse media geglo kan word, loop Mtawarira se reputasie hom vooruit.

    Hy hoef duidelik nie te bel om die Skotte te laat weet hy kom Saterdag Murrayfield toe om die Skotte te pak nie.

    Hoewel die Springbokke as ’n groep nog nie Skotland se vertoning verlede Saterdag teen die All Blacks onder die oë geneem het nie, het Mtawarira genoeg gesien wat hom beïndruk het.

    Die Skotte het die All Blacks, wat eintlik hul B-span ingespan het, soms in die skrums laat harde bene kou.

    “Hulle het goed gedoen. Dit is altyd ’n groot uitdaging om teen die Skotte se pak te speel.”

    Die Bokke het tot dusver op dié toer dalk ’n bietjie harder aan hul skrumwerk geskaaf nadat die kaptein, John Smit, van haker na vaskopstut geskuif is.

    Ná die uittrede van Os du Randt is daar gevrees dat niemand sy groot skoene sou kon volstaan nie. Daar kon nog nie vingers na Mtawarira se toetsloopbaan gewys word nie, want hy stal baie van sy voorganger se eienskappe ten toon.

    “Dit is ’n groot eer om in dié span te wees en boonop die nommereen-trui te dra. Ek wil bitter graag my deel bydra. Daar is spelers agter en langs my wat my ondersteun,” sê Mtawarira.

    Ongeag hoe hard hy skrum, hoe dodelik hy laagvat of die oorgawe waarmee hy hardloop, kan die oorsese verslaggewers dit nie weerstaan om hom oor sy bynaam te pols nie.

    “Ek het dit gekry toe ek nege jaar oud was. My skoolmaats het my dié naam gegee. Dit is net iets wat vasgeklou het. Dit is iets waarvan ek hou.

    “Ek hoor nie te veel wanneer ek op die veld is nie. Ek word wel ná wedstryde deur my spanmaats daaraan herinner. Dit is baie besonders, maar ek kan ook daarsonder.”

    Sorry – could not find the english version…

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.11.08 11:13:44 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 16) : Beast praat mooi Afrikaans. :wink: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.11.08 11:19:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 17) :

    Ek’t hom mooi geleer… :oops: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.11.08 11:22:14 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 10) : Dom as in Dominic, you poephol… and he’s a Sharks supporter :)

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.11.08 11:40:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • Did you also get him to talk in that deeeep voice.
    Can yo imagine the phone ringing and, on answering, you hear this deep voice and it says “This is the Beast….” :lol:

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.11.08 11:44:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I am not sure I even want to start commenting on this piece.

    He has mentioned one thing which is correct – to adopt a more attacking style of rugby you need a paradigm shift. And if some players are unable to make this shift (read senior players) get rid of them.

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.11.08 11:58:18 by MorneN Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : :roll:

    Sorry, my BAD!

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.11.08 12:00:10 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) :

    WOW!! You sound almost exactly like him! :lol:

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.11.08 12:01:07 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 21) :

    That is the crux of the matter at the moment IMO.

    Currently we have a team that MAY be resorting to their own plan rather than the coaches plan.

    At the moment they are winning games with it and it isn’t costing them.

    Will there be a time when it no longer works and they get booted?

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.11.08 12:04:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) :

    Mr. Beast! :twisted:

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.11.08 12:05:42 by Ollie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) :

    Moenie so lelik met wes wees nie.!! :evil: :wink:

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.11.08 12:08:21 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) :

    KSA, it hasn’t ‘worked’ for about 10 years.

    Yeah I know guys will say; “But look at our cool World Cup” and I will still say that is a stupid argument.

    Du Preez as many Boks said this morning they want to be the best in the world, #1, and with this conservative rugby style we have been playing for almost 10 years they will never achieve that – NEVER.

    Take the Wales game, our possession was in the 30′s, territory also less than Wales – and we just scraped through. Now no matter how you look at it, Wales is not nearly in the class as the Boks, yet they almost beat us with this self-same ‘conservative’ style of rugby.

    Over the last 5 years we have about a 50% record against Aus, and much less than 50% against the All Blacks.

    We could not beat France and Ireland on tour and managed one tour victory against a very kak England.

    You do not become the best with conservative, predictable rugby.

    If you want, I can repost something I did a couple of weeks ago elsewhere on what ‘attacking rugby’ is all about as I believe not many, including Farell, quite understands what its all about.

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.11.08 12:09:47 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Ollie (Comment 25) :
    Gotcha Mr Ollie.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.11.08 12:15:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) : I need someone to explain PdV’s plan to me…because I think I’ve got it all wrong.

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.11.08 12:16:18 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 27) :
    Please do post it…

    Why is “attacking rugby” interpreted to “reckless rugby”…?

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.11.08 12:18:49 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 16) : I guess I have to do the google translate thing… :roll:

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.11.08 12:19:59 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • @Kamov Ka50 – blckshrk (Comment 30) :

    Probably because it is higher risk

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.11.08 12:20:10 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Kamov Ka50 – blckshrk (Comment 29) :

    I can post something that might perhaps help.

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.11.08 12:20:12 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 27) :

    It is difficult to agree 100% with what you are saying.

    You can’t say “never” because we DID achieve the #1 ranking with that style of play.

    But I’d like to add to @McLovin (Comment 14) : Conservative rugby is a requirement and it will make you #1 but not on it’s own.

    If you play conservative rugby (JW Rugby) at the start of your match (laying the foundation) and then play an expansive game (PDV Rugby)when the oppertunity presents itself. Which plan have you actually followed?

    Or do we call it something else and whose rugby will that be?

    The JW Boks certainly played an expansive game on occasion. Was it then called PDV rugby? :wink:

    What I am getting at is, Rugby should not be played with ONE style of rugby in mind. Your team needs to be able to do what is needed AT that particular moment in time.

    If your players can’t adapt to this then shunt them to the sidelines chop-chop.

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.11.08 12:21:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 27) :

    yes please post it. I think I MAY :wink: have read it but refresh my mind.

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.11.08 12:22:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Kamov Ka50 – blckshrk (Comment 31) :

    Sorry… :wink:

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.11.08 12:23:38 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @Kamov Ka50 – blckshrk (Comment 30) :

    It is up as a whiteboard session on the main page – be warned it is a bit long but it might just help.

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.11.08 12:33:40 by MorneN Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) :

    Haha,

    I am not entering into how we got the #1 world rankings thanks to a scewed RWC ranking system and who we beat to get there.

    You want to be #1, beat number 2 and 3 consistently.

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.11.08 12:35:52 by MorneN Reply
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  • What I am getting at is, Rugby should not be played with ONE style of rugby in mind. Your team needs to be able to do what is needed AT that particular moment in time.

    If your players can’t adapt to this then shunt them to the sidelines chop-chop.

    Exactly – I believe we are all against programmed players. If the opportunity to run the ball presents itself in the first minute…why not?

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.11.08 12:38:38 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 37) : a bit long? From you? What is this world coming to :)

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.11.08 12:38:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 38) :
    You want to be #1, beat number 2 and 3 consistently.

    Which is also a bit screwed considering when and where we play 2 & 3 most often.

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.11.08 12:38:48 by Ollie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : He he he…

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.11.08 12:39:57 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 41) : we often play number 2 ;)

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.11.08 12:44:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) :

    Now that is so ambiguous I don’t know what to say. :shock: :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.11.08 12:46:39 by Ollie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) :

    I know, we are nearing the end of the world as Siener van Rensburg predicted dude!

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.11.08 12:51:24 by MorneN Reply
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  • OK, what was the type of rugby played in our last test against Australia and what yype of rugby did we just play against Wales?

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.11.08 13:03:46 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Ollie (Comment 44) : most of my double entendres are actually single entendres and proud of it! ;)

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.11.08 13:04:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 46) : winning rugby? :)

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.11.08 13:05:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 46) :

    Probably best described as the Boks hellbent on playing rugby ONLY in the Welsh half.

    Now in essence nothing wrong with it, but it was how it was applied.

    Kicks were poor, option taking was poor (very little chance of regaining posession) and committment extremely poor which is why we ended up with 36% territory while trying to play a territorial game.

    But comes down to option taking.

    Like a player kicking the ball in his own half when his support players outnumber the defenders. You will still get in the oppo’s half, but do so with momentum and the ball still in possession.

  • Comment 49, posted at 12.11.08 13:09:26 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 49) :
    And if you had to give it a a name, what would it be – conservative, JW’s bland blend, PdeV’s extra premium blend. And the same goes for the game against Aus.

    The Welsh game reminded me a LOT of what JW’s Boks dished up.

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.11.08 13:17:14 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 50) :

    Name – structured rugby. Plan A and plan… A

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.11.08 13:21:50 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 51) :
    In your opinium, were the Boks playing to PdeV’s (and his coaching teams) instructions or are they playing their own brand – as has been suggested?

  • Comment 52, posted at 12.11.08 13:27:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 52) :

    Personally I think Peter is buckling under pressure a bit.

    He knows if he loses one test on this tour he is in shit.

    Given the 3N results, the sex-tape accusations etc. he knows people are just waiting for him to make one more mistake.

    His review will take place after this tour, if he loses a game on tour that review won’t look pretty.

    Remember he wanted the clause in there that he had final say over the team, and he may then be judged on results?

    I think Peter is a bit naive, or was coming into the job. He had a harsh wake-up call.

  • Comment 53, posted at 12.11.08 13:31:30 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 53) : well – as long as he learns as he goes, I really don’t mind.

  • Comment 54, posted at 12.11.08 13:39:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 54) :

    Neither do I.

  • Comment 55, posted at 12.11.08 13:40:59 by MorneN Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) : Yeah!!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.11.08 13:46:40 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • I have never believed that Heyneke Meyer would have represented anything but a backwards step for rugby in SA. As the only credible alternative, De Villiers has my full, unequivocal backing until he does something to lose it. To date, he hasn’t even come close.

    People are fickle and they have pathetically short memories. If they honestly think this year’s Tri-Nations campaign was painful, they clearly don’t remember 2006, 1999-2003, 1997 or 1996…

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.11.08 14:00:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) :

    Correct Rob.
    The most irritating thing that gets thrown around in debates is this myth that PdV created this Super-balanced Team that was beating anything and everything in sight and turned it to losers. People believe what they choose to.

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.11.08 14:06:19 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • @Kamov Ka50 – blckshrk (Comment 58) :
    created = inherited… :oops: otherwise the post doesn’t make much sense. I hate not making sense. :twisted:

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.11.08 14:07:44 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • 6 Kamov Ka50 – blckshrk 3039

    Yay-I’ve hit the 3000 mark :smile:

    I’m assuming that the other 39 posts were [email protected] posts (like this one) :mrgreen: so I’ll just celebrate the 3000.

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.11.08 14:16:34 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • @Kamov Ka50 – blckshrk (Comment 59) :

    You get used to it…eventually… :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.11.08 14:24:50 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @Kamov Ka50 – blckshrk (Comment 60) :

    Hmmm has not been on in ages…and he/she is still ahead of me ….chatterbox that one.. :roll: :wink:

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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 61) : :lol:
    @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 62) : You’re almost there. with all the tries the Boks are going to score this weekend…your post figures will rise. :wink:

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.11.08 14:32:21 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 53) :
    Thanks.

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.11.08 14:47:31 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • This Morne oke is quite a ‘clued up’ bugger isn’t he???

    Does anyone know which team he supports??? Must be the most successful CC team in the history of SA Rugby… :roll:

  • Comment 65, posted at 12.11.08 15:03:39 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 65) :

    Bulls??? :???: :???: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 66, posted at 12.11.08 15:05:53 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 65) : Shame… :neutral:

  • Comment 67, posted at 12.11.08 15:22:42 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply

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  • @Kamov Ka50 – blckshrk (Comment 67) :

    Well Morne cannot be Perfect you know…we all have our little mistakes.. :twisted:

  • Comment 68, posted at 12.11.08 15:28:29 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • Why is it that every time JW toured Europe with the Boks, all we heard was how tired the Boks were at the end of their very long season (even when the Boks were kept out of the CC). Was always the excuse when the Boks did poorly in the November tests. Now, we play not so well against Wales, but still manage a win, and no mention of how tired the Boks must be. Why? The Boks even played in the CC this season, they have played a lot of Rugby, but that is not brought up anymore. Wales is in the peak of their season, we are at the end of a very long season. I’m not so sure we should expect much more.

  • Comment 69, posted at 12.11.08 15:40:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 69) :

    Coz we won..? :wink:

  • Comment 70, posted at 12.11.08 15:42:40 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • More than 21.6m South Africans are registered to vote in the 2009 election, with 1.6m new voters registering over the weekend, says the IEC.

    Isn’t this FAB??? :grin:

    Sorry Rob..last of that.. :wink:

  • Comment 71, posted at 12.11.08 15:43:52 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • Perhaps JW whinged more than PdV about the amount of Rugby being played by our top players, but it seemed to work for him because the expectations for the NH tests were much less than they are for PdV. It seems like the only November tour the Boks were expected to do well under JW was the Grand Slam tour, but even on that tour there was constant talk about how tired the top Boks were.

  • Comment 72, posted at 12.11.08 15:44:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 70) : We barely won several tests in the NH under JW, and always the excuse was that if we weren’t so tired at the end of a long season, we would have beaten them by much more. This Wales match was no different. Of course, I am quite happy to hear less of the whinging and to see the Boks just get on with it. That is certainly one thing I like much more about PdV than JW.

  • Comment 73, posted at 12.11.08 15:46:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 71) : What percentage of registered voters in SA actually vote on election day?

  • Comment 74, posted at 12.11.08 15:47:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 74) :
    Have no idea…but the fact that so many new registered looks good..

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 73) :

    I meant the wales game..

  • Comment 75, posted at 12.11.08 15:49:07 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 75) : It is interesting, usually only between 50% and 60% of registered voters in the US actually vote in a Presidential election. The percentage drops to between 40% and 50% for mid-term elections (no vote for President). It is always amazing to me that so many people take the time to register, but then can not find or make the time to vote.

  • Comment 76, posted at 12.11.08 15:53:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Not to mention the fact that only 60% to 70% of eligible voters actually register in the US, the US ends up with less than 40% of the eligible voters actually voting.

  • Comment 77, posted at 12.11.08 15:56:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Sorry if this is considered political Rob, I don’t think it is political, more of a sociological discussion.

  • Comment 78, posted at 12.11.08 15:57:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • i wil surely look out for those stats after the elections..

  • Comment 79, posted at 12.11.08 15:59:12 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • I’m gonna vote FF+

    They doing a great job looking after US Afrikaners. :roll:

  • Comment 80, posted at 12.11.08 16:01:30 by wpw Reply
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  • Rob is such a cool oke btw… :cry:

  • Comment 81, posted at 12.11.08 16:02:28 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 80) :

    Jy soek vir ****…moenie se ek het jou nie gewwarsku nie.. :wink:

  • Comment 82, posted at 12.11.08 16:03:42 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 81) : Why the sad smiley with that statement Wes, Rob is a cool oke! :razz: Oh, and why isn’t TGHMEA not on tour????

  • Comment 83, posted at 12.11.08 16:05:33 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 83) : he is retired DB,went out at the pinnacle of his career.

  • Comment 84, posted at 12.11.08 16:07:59 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 84) : I just thought his experience on both sides of the scrum would be needed, especially with Smit acting like a TH. :wink:

  • Comment 85, posted at 12.11.08 16:15:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 16) : I was able to understand sections of it. Reading and comprehending other languages has always came easier to me then writing them or speaking them.

  • Comment 86, posted at 12.11.08 16:40:45 by Milissa (2008 CC Champs!) Reply

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  • HEY…

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.11.08 16:46:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 87) : WHAT????

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.11.08 16:49:32 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 88) : nevermind… I’ve just read it now and (apart from wes’s typical thing) it was fine :)

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.11.08 16:54:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : As I said, it was sociological not political. I am actually interested to see what the percentages look like in SA next year. My darn statistical background coming through again. :grin:

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.11.08 16:58:34 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Frostbite sailing starting this Sunday, need to break out the old drysuit. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.11.08 16:59:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : But back to rugby, very disappointed that Kanko did not get a start in the Scotland game. I believe that Spies is probably more versatile than Kanko in that he is very effective at 6, 7 or 8, therefore, IMHO I think Kanko should start with Spies covering the loose forwards on the bench. That way the coach has an array of tactical substitutions he can make depending on the way the game is progressing, who might get hurt or who is not playing their best. With Spies starting, the only option is for Schalk and Juan to play 80 minutes and have Spies and Kanko share the duties at 8. With Spies on the bench, if Juan is having a slow game, he can be replaced at half with Spies, same with Schalk or Kanko.

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.11.08 17:03:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Or Spies ends up moving from position to position to cover the other loosies, which is difficult to excel at.

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.11.08 17:04:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 90) : seems SA expats aren’t eligible to vote. I guess I can stop sucking up to Sam Shilowa now…

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.11.08 17:06:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) : I dirrent regsistreer!

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.11.08 17:07:46 by PJLD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 92) : agree… it just makes sense. I still think Spies is a terrible option at 6, though, but maybe that’s just me ;)

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.11.08 17:07:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) : He is not a great option at 6, but better than Kanko at 6. Kanko is a pure 8. Actually Spies is better than Number 46 at 6. I don’t think he should ever start at openside, and when Schalk is not playing someone like Brussow should step in. I honestly think Spies’ qualities are best utilized off the bench at the international level. This is not an indictment of Spies, just that, as I have said many times before, it is a 22 player game now, and players starting on the bench are just as important as the 15 that start.

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.11.08 17:22:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 95) : Bernie Mac was a registered voter.

  • Comment 98, posted at 12.11.08 17:23:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • HELLO EVERYONE! :smile:

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 93) : Enjoy your sailing….PYC/RNYC SUMMER season has just got underway here in Durbs. Just wish I was young again & we could sail our Sprog :grin:

  • Comment 99, posted at 12.11.08 17:37:32 by Me2 Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 97) : Agree with you re Kanko…seems to me a natural born number 8….I was not impressed with Spies on Saturday and felt that Konko did not have enough game time to make an impression.

  • Comment 100, posted at 12.11.08 17:39:46 by Me2 Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 91) :

    You mean we could be seeing a few more ice covered yachts in the coming pictures. :wink:

  • Comment 101, posted at 12.11.08 17:43:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Me2 (Comment 99) : Sprog sailors, very cool. I was a member of PYC a long time ago, when I still lived in Durban, but that was when RNYC was on the other side of the street. Sailed Optimists, Dabchicks and Cadets while at PYC. Do you still have your Sprog?

  • Comment 102, posted at 12.11.08 17:44:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 100) : I really do believe he needs to be given more game time at the international level. He has never gotten an extended run at that level, and has much to prove.

  • Comment 103, posted at 12.11.08 17:45:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 101) : hehehe, sailing Lasers this year, so carrying a camera on board will not be an option. That being said, I’m sure when we have another day like that, someone will be out there taking pictures.

  • Comment 104, posted at 12.11.08 17:46:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 101) : Funny thing KSA is that we sent the picture of me all bundled up and covered in snow on the boat to the manufacturer. He sent out the picture as his Christmas greeting card with the following statement (translated from Swiss/German) “Always keep your ears warm and your head cool”

  • Comment 105, posted at 12.11.08 17:49:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 105) :

    :lol:

  • Comment 106, posted at 12.11.08 17:50:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 102) :
    Yes…sitting here waiting for our daughter to come home one day!
    My husband & I are Life Members of PYC…he heas been a member since 1967 & moi since 1971…..so did you sail with Dave Collins, the Dibb boys, Gregg Hurter, the Savage bros. or were you a little earlier…you must have known John Drennan & Harry Ellens.

  • Comment 107, posted at 12.11.08 17:51:20 by Me2 Reply

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  • @Me2 (Comment 107) : Ha yes, sailed with Dave Collings and Collin Dibb (now in Australia and won the Laser Masters World Championships twice). I sailed with Bruce Savage in the Dabchicks, same time frame as Dave Collins. We were always battling for the top three in Dabchicks. I bought my Dabchick from Collin Dibb. Harry was the sailmaker correct? Was Bruce Banks sails, but then put his own name on them. Always used his sails. Terry Clarence used to work for him, and now moved to the US, and lives not far from me, I sail against him all the time. Also, Garth Hitchens moved to the US as well, and his office is 2 blocks from my house. Lots of Durbanites in Annapolis.

  • Comment 108, posted at 12.11.08 17:56:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • The Dibbs were just a little earlier than us (Dave Collins, Bruce Savage and myself).

  • Comment 109, posted at 12.11.08 17:57:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • KSA or Rob, can one of you send my e-mail address to Me2 please?

  • Comment 110, posted at 12.11.08 17:59:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 107) : My family was a member of Island Sailing Club since I was 2 until about 8 when we moved to PYC. So I suppose my family were members since 1970 until 1977 when we left.

  • Comment 111, posted at 12.11.08 18:01:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 108) : Don & I sailed Sprogs at that time…Doc Savage, Davey James, Nick Korving & his wife, Cecily(Island S.C.), Maurice Dibb, Harry, …..wow sooo many!!
    Harry is now in UK designing sails. My daughter sailed Oppies and even made the Europeans (on merit, not one of the “had to have girls”)BUT now is in London & really missing her sailing. She sailed alot with Harry & his brother, Bill, on keelers & of course the Sprog…won the PYC Champs with Harry!! She also crewed on Mirrors & went to the Worlds in Saldanah in 1999!
    Wonderful sport, Sailing!

  • Comment 112, posted at 12.11.08 18:07:07 by Me2 Reply

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  • Sorry…have to go…we got problems in the nieghbourhood….intuders!!! Whats new , in SA ???

  • Comment 113, posted at 12.11.08 18:08:50 by Me2 Reply

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  • @Me2 (Comment 112) : My parents sailed Mirrors, and I too crewed for my dad at the Worlds once. Bill was a Paper Tiger sailor as I recall. I remember Nick and Cecily. I am sure I knew you, or certainly knew who you were. Hopefully either Rob or KSA will send you my e-mail address and we can chat further. I have a feeling you know my parents. I do a lot of keelboat racing, but have really gotten into sport boats the past few years. Still sail Lasers regularly and other dinghies.

  • Comment 114, posted at 12.11.08 18:18:34 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 114) :
    Until later!

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